Whilst the principle of adopting the approach that other clubs have used to some effect is theoretically sound, I’ve always preferred us to find our own way of doing things in the long term. We are starting to do that now in my opinion, but it will be a long road. However, that road could potentially lead us back to Europe says Alan Pardew.
“We have got a tight budget here for a Premier League team in terms of trying to compete for Europe. But we can do it here,” Pardew told The Chronicle.
“I’ve done it before at West Ham when our wage budget was lower and we managed to get into Europe. We almost did it by position in 2006 and were two places behind Newcastle, but we got there through the FA Cup by getting to the final.”
Times move on Mr. Pardew and a lot has changed since 2006. I’m not saying that Europe won’t be on the cards for us at some point in the future, but I’d prefer it if we were looking at qualifying through the league and not through a cup final appearance, although of course I would be delighted with a Wembley appearance.
Again it all comes back to the £35 million question and just how wisely it will be invested. If the club are clever with it in the transfer market and tie down certain players to new contracts then it could make things a hell of a lot easier next season and make the squad stronger as a whole. Europe may be a bit of a stretch again next season though as the club looks to consolidate itself in the Premier League and ensure that it doesn’t follow in the footsteps of clubs like Reading, West Brom, Ipswich and Bradford.
All of those teams have survived in the Premier League in the first season only to be relegated in the second. It’s called second season season syndrome, and it’s something that Pardew is keen to avoid.
The manager continued: “Once that adrenalin fades away from year one after promotion it’s a different challenge. When you get promoted you just want to prove everybody wrong. It isn’t the same in the second year.”
“You have to be good enough from start to finish. Therefore we have to make sure we have a strong team.”
This is another reason why it is important to strengthen the squad. In a way, even though I detest how they play, Stoke City Rugby Football Club are a recent example of this. They stayed up, strengthened, stayed up again, and now nobody even mentions them for relegation.
They have signed some talented players, like Tuncay, only to have let them go again, presumably as they play football and have talent, and I’d like Newcastle to do the same only we must keep the talent and not bin it off because they can’t get on the end of a 60-yard throw in.
Europe would be great in the future, and the club is most definitely capable of achieving it, but first and foremost we have to secure Premier League football this season, and next season. Just because we have achieved safety once, it doesn’t make it a given that we will do it again.
If we can though, maybe we can really, truly, start to look up!
Pardew is off again mentioning a top 6 finish with European ambitions which could well come back and bite him firmly on the ****, we need to get safe first and then start such talk but after the team has been funded and strengthened to give any of these ambitions a foundation.
As for Stoke, yes they are awful to watch, they are limited, but they do the best with what they have, they are well organized and all know how to play their system. We will be lucky to come away from there with a point.
bobby(Quote)
“We have got a tight budget here for a Premier League team in terms of trying to compete for Europe.”
Which is a fcking disgrace in itself when you consider the amount of people who turn up time and again to endure the utter bollox that they produce.
Stuart79(Quote)
Utter bollox like sitting in tenth in our first season back?
toonsy(Quote)
toonsy
Posted March 10, 2011 at 2:09 PM
Utter bollox like sitting in tenth in our first season back?
No, utter bollox like selling the best players and not replacing them, sacking managers for doing a good job, trying to sell 10 year season tickets without actually explaining what we might hope to get from such a committment, trying to sell the club everytime he feels like it and constantly having no regard for supporters in everything they do.
That do you?
Stuart79(Quote)
stu and thats just for starters 🙂
batty(Quote)
I see Stuart’s point, though. We have a revenue stream that’s in the top 20 in Europe so what’s he on about? Yes, we’re one of the first clubs to start operating within its means, but our means are pretty huge compared to someone like Stoke, or (ha ha) the mackems.
Whumpie(Quote)
I think the budget is less of a worry than the level of intelligence that wields it. I am just praying that January was a major brain-fart and will prove to be the exception.
“we have to make sure we have a strong team” is stating the obvious at a professional level. Does he understand that generally means strengthening where we’re weak and cutting back where we’re over stocked? He did the opposite in January and now we’re right in the brown stuff because of it. He’s bleating about his lack of options on the right… er… you sold our only right-winger, you utter fucknugget!!
Whumpie(Quote)
“No, utter bollox like selling the best players and not replacing them”
You mean Carroll who wanted out and handed in a written transfer request?
“sacking managers for doing a good job”
So your saying that Pardew is worse than Hughton? That stats don’t bear that up….
“trying to sell 10 year season tickets without actually explaining what we might hope to get from such a committment”
What committment? You can exit the deal after one year. It’s not like you have to pay for ten years all in one go is it? Besides, I’ll be supporting Newcastle in ten years regardless of anything Ashley does or doesn’t do anyway.
“trying to sell the club everytime he feels like it ”
Isn’t every business up for sale?
“no regard for supporters in everything they do”
Do you want him to cuddle you and for him to personally escort you to your everytime you enter SJP or something? Communication is an area of extreme concern of course, but please stop with the no regard bollocks. The vast majority of football club owners are exactly the same.
toonsy(Quote)
Whumpie – I didn’t see us on the latest top twenty rich list? In fact I believe that Villa have taken our place in that regard. More living in the past.
toonsy(Quote)
toonsy >>>, I’ll be supporting Newcastle in ten years regardless of anything Ashley does or doesn’t do anyway<<<< aye we all will if it dusent put us in an early grave 😉
batty(Quote)
Batty – Stuart will only be supporting us if he receives a detailed document and forecast apparently 😉
toonsy(Quote)
well ile send him a ballif notice and its gonna rain all next week 🙂
batty(Quote)
toonsy you have too give it too stu ,he was born in manchester and supports the toon ,he could of easely supported 1 of his local teams
batty(Quote)
I just remember the chat about bringing in 4/5 players in the last window. It then turned to ‘definately bringing in 2 by friday’ and so forth…..so I really don’t believe anything that comes out of his mouth at the minute regarding transfers. He is always raving about his success in the transfer market, talk is cheap though and last time he was talking he didn’t deliver.
The chronicle are reporting about his success with Reading, West Ham etc…..I really couldn’t care less to be honest. He just needs to keep his mouth shut if he can’t back it up with action!
Moreno(Quote)
I think our revenues are still in the top 10 – probably around 8th – in the premiership. So while our budget may be constrained compared to the top 4 or 5, it’s hardly something to moan about.
Whumpie(Quote)
As for Stoke, yes they are awful to watch, they are limited, but they do the best with what they have
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Agreed.
Some clubs get criticized for their style of play, but what choice do they have? Financial disparity means that many clubs can’t afford top attacking players so they can either bottle it up or get slaughtered trying to play a free flowing game without the players to play it. It’s easy to play beautiful football when you can afford Xavi, Messi and Villa up front.
MDS(Quote)
Probably already been mentioned but great win for the reserves last night. I know it’s all about winning at that level but with players out there that might be considered too young for the un-18’s never mind that reserves, it’s testament to how far we are coming that we can beat a Arsenal team and are only 2nd in the table to Man City (we all know why there top).
Michael Riley and Remi Streete look the part and are just 16! Incidentally I went to school with Remi. My bit claim to fame there 🙄 😆
dan4toon(Quote)
Like Moreno says – this kind of talk from AP is now just infuriating because he doesn’t seem to realise just how awful the last window was compared to what was talked about. Frankly, compared to anything – it was a disaster.
He just doesn’t seem to get the irony of talking about strengthening when he’s just presided over the worst weakening of our squad I’ve ever seen. We didn’t lose many – but short of losing Jose as well he couldn’t have done much more to weaken where we’re weakest. And just to add to the whole effect, he recruited where we’re strongest… with a bloke who may not even play at this rate.
So yes, I wish he’d shut up about this kind of thing, unless he starts an interview with “January did not go well, we must do better”. Until he acknowledges that I’m going to continue seething about it.
Whumpie(Quote)
it’s not all about winning*
dan4toon(Quote)
January did not go well. We sold a player that wanted out. The end.
Sorry Whumpie
toonsy(Quote)
TOONSY mak that two m8 rout went too
icedog(Quote)
toonsy
Posted March 10, 2011 at 2:41 PM
January did not go well. We sold a player that wanted out. The end.
Sorry Whumpie
Rooney wanted out of Man Utd – Did he leave?
Tevez wanted out of Man City – Did he leave?
Fabregas wanted out of Arsenal – Did he leave?
Carroll wanted out of Toon – We took the money and sold him!
There’s a pattern ermerging here.
Stuart79(Quote)
3 with the xisco kid 😉
batty(Quote)
Toonsy,
I have also been pro-board concerning the sale of Carroll….you know my views on it, the gippo can f*ck off.
I just can’t take anything Pards says seriously as he was continually mouthing off during the last window about definate signings….and we didnt even seem to go for anyone! (Except N’Zog at the last minute) Apparantly he had plans and players lined up last time which fell through, fair enough, but don’t be assuring fans with words like ‘guarentee’ and ‘definately’ if you can’t deliver.
As I have said before, he seems to write cheques his **** can’t cash.
Moreno(Quote)
toonsy
Posted March 10, 2011 at 2:25 PM
Batty – Stuart will only be supporting us if he receives a detailed document and forecast apparently
Signed up already for my season ticket renewal.
Although it wouldn’t happen in any other business where a company just asked for money but refused to tell you what it was selling you.
It’s basically like someone buying shares in a company and not hearing from the board for 12 months. Would you be happy, not knowing what the hell they were doing with your money?
Stuart79(Quote)
Stuart – Are you really comparing us to three of the current top four clubs? No wonder we get called deluded 🙄
It’s an unfortunate fact, but we always be liable to losing players, as will all the other team around us. It’s dog eat dog, and we are a small dog these days in comparison to the others. Players will always go to the big teams, and those teams will find it easier to retain players. It’s just the way it is.
toonsy(Quote)
Stuart79
Posted March 10, 2011 at 3:00 PM
“It’s basically like someone buying shares in a company and not hearing from the board for 12 months. Would you be happy, not knowing what the hell they were doing with your money?”
Not really as you are paying for something tangible that is not an investment. So basically what you want is a breakdown of how the club intends to spend money? Like an expenditure forecast? How many clubs do that then?
toonsy(Quote)
No, Toonsy: we added another expensive crock in a position that was already over-loaded, removed our ONLY right-winger, and sold our best striker. To be honest, that last one is not what annoys me. What annoys me is the first two, because right now we’re losing points because of it.
Forget Carroll; if we still had Routledge right now and had taken a RW, striker or or LB on loan – in other words, any of our three problem areas – we’d be safe by now and looking at 3 points from Stoke instead of another close call.
Whumpie(Quote)
Whumpie – I agree that Routledge is better than nothing, right? But please tell me when that guy has EVER been effective in the Premier League?
toonsy(Quote)
toonsy
Posted March 10, 2011 at 3:02 PM
Nope, I’m saying that if you want to keep an unhappy player you can. Don’t use the fact that he wanted to go as an excuse for the club.
Stuart79(Quote)
Stuart – But what is the benefit of keeping an unhappy player? Personally I would rather they fecked off and offered a chance to someone who actually wants to be here.
toonsy(Quote)
Lads,c’mon is soooooooooooo obvious our club is following the Real Madrid C.F Model for a very long time. 😈
Sacking off managers instantly after a certain targets met. 🙄 😆
Selling off their important players(contribute alot) off to other clubs by the board.
AngelOfDeath(Quote)
AOD,its a five year plan mate 😀
seen a few of them like over the years 👿
icedog(Quote)
I think my question is: what evidence do we have that AP can deliver anything like what he’s talking about? None. He’s new.
What evidence do we have that suggests he may fail to strengthen where it’s needed?
Well althoug he had just arrived, the last window went horribly, horribly wrong. We needed more bodies at RW, LB and CF. We had surplus CM. So he bought a CM and sold a RW and two CFs.
There is no good way of spinning that; it was a total, utter cockup. If we lose to Stoke – and I think we probably will – then we’re in a relly scrap again.
Whumpie(Quote)
Exactly right Toonsy
3hourswasted(Quote)
I know I’ve joined the doom-and-gloom merchants on this one, but let’s face it, it’s not looking good, is it?
A few months ago we had a manager we all loved and trusted, and who’d delivered two of the best transfer windows in years. We had a fairly well-balanced, strong and functioning squad with an on-fire, local striker. There was great team spirit from a squad that trusted the management and believed in the club’s future. All we heard in the press from players was how great it was to be here.
Step forward one managerial sacking and one clusterfuck of a transfer window: One win in 9 matches, and six points off the relly zone with a horribly unbalanced team going into the last 9 games and relying on newbies delivering the goods against the odds. A management team who have a short but disastrous record in recruitment. Our major players holding back on signing contracts and talking about being open to offers. An overall feeling of disparity and back-covering in the squad.
All of these problems were caused by management decisions in the past few months. I know AP wasn’t responsible for much of it, but you can understand why I get annoyed with quotes about Europe and comparisons with top teams.
Whumpie(Quote)
Cheers 3HW 😉
toonsy(Quote)
Carrol can f**k himself , he wanted out n no player is bigger than the club. Which he clearly thought he was by demanding more money to stay. Newcastle Utd were about a long time before Andy came n will be here a lot longer after.
Pardew press work worries me. He constatntly bigs himself up. Yes the reults n performances for the most part have been good but id rather him pipe down a bit n get on with it.
Im hoping players like barton n jose want to make sure our fututre in top flight is assuered before signing a new contract. Barton for me is the key for us next season. Best english midfielder in the premiership.
We do need a few players in the summer but we also need to ship out a few as well. Id rather of quality than quanity and hopefully a few of our promising youngsters start pushing for the first team. If we got 1-2 of them pushing for 1st team places and 2-3 pushing for squad places we will be doing extremely well.
Must admit im confident we have a bright future in front of us , tho only time will tell
Johno Toon(Quote)
WHUMPIE aye mate words are cheap,really dont think we will get oot at stoke,i like young fergie who will play i think,wrong for me could spoil the kid,he hasnt got the height or weight yet against the big guys stoke have,they will def shake him up,i would if i was stoke manager
icedog(Quote)
Incidentally, I don’t really think Carroll’s absence is a major contributor to our prospects this season. Right now, it’s Routledge we’re missing.
The club’s willingness to sell AC will be a big factor come the summer, though.
Whumpie(Quote)
Ice – I know Fergie looks like the sort who gets his lunch money nicked, but I think he can do a job for us. He may get kicked into Row H by Stoke, mind.
Also, on which scale are AP’s results ok? One win in 9 is relegation form. It didn’t look too bad until we got one point from two winnable home games. Suddenly we’re into the harder stuff.
The way this season’s going we’ll get 3 points off manure now. 🙂
Whumpie(Quote)
WHUMPIE surely we can get 6points from 10 games,which will be enough imo,carroll never played for us for a few weeks before he left,so would still be in this mess anyway if he had stayed,lets see who gob ***** brings in next season
icedog(Quote)
whumpie >>> are you shagging routledge or sumit ,and if judas was still here for these last games i think we would of got top 7 so yes we will miss him
batty(Quote)
batty – He’d have been injured.
Stuart79(Quote)
and surely any 1 with half a brain can see how good judas can be and how good he can get ,£35 mill well spent imo
batty(Quote)
BATTY hate to say it but dog-coller has signed two top strikers for l/pool,will be a right force next season imo
icedog(Quote)
stu 43 not for our last 9 games and iam sure he would of played against everton
batty(Quote)
dog iam having mixed feelings aboot carrol now as we dont know how much he was getting paid ,they have just give tiote 50 grand a week ,i reckon carrol would of settled for that
batty(Quote)
batty
Posted March 10, 2011 at 4:06 PM
Agreed. It was just poor greed. They wanted him out.
Stuart79(Quote)
BATTY aye mate cannot rule owt oot where the fat git is.
he would have took 50grand and stayed imo,but 35mil blinded the git
icedog(Quote)
i was gutted and hurt when carrol left ,but now iam wishing him well for future , and hope hes scores tonight ,ashley is a fat liaring sneaky b@stard
batty(Quote)
i second that BATTY
icedog(Quote)
dog i was lettin me heart rule me head ,but now ive seen the light 😉
batty(Quote)
dog that stuart79 is never far of the mark , but he yapps on abit sometimes 🙂
batty(Quote)
“i was gutted and hurt when carrol left ,but now iam wishing him well for future , and hope hes scores tonight ,ashley is a fat liaring sneaky b@stard”
Really ?? as soon i saw him on sunday it made me sick to the stomach and it will be like that everytime i see him in their colours.
Ashley is a fat **** no doubt and he was proven to be a liar in court but i still cant let judas off the hook for shitting on his club mid season…
CC(Quote)
CC – Exactly. I’m glad my tussle with a Liverpool and the feelings that it provoked are shared by at least one person 😉
toonsy(Quote)
CC when we think about it contracts are not drawn up overnight,he signed a 5year deal,and was happy to sign,and as batty pointed out tiote got one offered at 50grand (they say),carroll would know that (agents talk) if hes asked for the same and got knocked back as fat git didnt rate him the same,what would you do? we are just guessing like,but who knows full storey
icedog(Quote)
CC yes i am you got a problem with that ,just like most toon fans let beardsly of when he jumped ship ,like i sed why didnt they offer him more cash ile tell you why fatty saw £ signes flashin in front of his eyes ,he thought he had hit the jackpot the fat c unt
batty(Quote)
True Ice, so we can only deal in facts.
Carroll got a new deal in October which he must have been happy with. He the got promised a revision a further eight months down the line.
Just three months after his new deal he wanted more despite an assurance that it would be looked at in the summer. This wasn’t acceptable for a bloke that has dragged the club through the newspapers for the wrong reasons four (4) times in the last year and off he went. 🙂
toonsy(Quote)
F*ck the judas ****, make no mistake that tw@t went to Liverpool for the money. He’d already been told his contract would be looked at again in the summer but the fecker couldnt wait that long so the other greedy fecker Ashley cashed in. Pair of greedy bastards and I hope they both get what they deserve 👿
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toonsy
Posted March 10, 2011 at 4:45 PM
True Ice, so we can only deal in facts.
Carroll got a new deal in October which he must have been happy with. He the got promised a revision a further eight months down the line<<<< aye so the club said toonsy ,and as for promises 😆 😆 😆 have they stuck too 1 yet ❓
batty(Quote)
richietoon
Posted March 10, 2011 at 4:45 PM
F*ck the judas ****, make no mistake that tw@t went to Liverpool for the money. <<<< rich i hear your going too spain for the same reason ,pot kettle 😆 😆 😆 😆
batty(Quote)
toonsy
Posted March 10, 2011 at 4:45 PM
Are you trying to say you wouldn’t do the same?
Stuart79(Quote)
Ok then Batty. Look at it the other way. Carroll was happy to sign a deal just 12 weeks earlier. Delighted in fact. Changed pretty quick didn’t it?
I notice his agent is getting off scot free. Does anyone not think he would have been in Carroll’s ears? Fantastic opportunity etc etc. Bearing in mind that he earned £5 million out of Carroll for that move like.
toonsy(Quote)
Stuart – In contrast. My new job will involve a pay CUT but it won’t matter because I’ll be enjoying it a lot more. So no, no I wouldn’t 🙂
toonsy(Quote)
batty
Nope i aint got a problem with that its your opinion but i think differently, Beardsley went to liverpool when the were winning things all the time, Carrolls gone to a **** poor club who we were really close to jumping and it all ******* stinks
His money chasing and Ashleys lack of ambition and foresight the whole lot…
CC(Quote)
toonsy
Posted March 10, 2011 at 4:55 PM
Stuart – In contrast. My new job will involve a pay CUT but it won’t matter because I’ll be enjoying it a lot more. So no, no I wouldn’t
Well you are one complete fcking ***! 😆
Stuart79(Quote)
Toonsy @59 – yep, agree with that assessment. I can’t help but feel sick when I see him in red. Git.
But we would have been no higher in the league had he not gone, ‘cos he wouldn’t have played yet. You do have to admit we’d be looking a lot more likely to climb rather than drop from here in if we still had him, mind. Bastid.
Our poor form recently is more down to selling Routledge IMO. Whatever you think of the guy, he’s better than the six feet of air AP replaced him with. Could he not have done what other clubs do and not let the deal go through until his replacement was signing too?
I just think all his talk of building in the summer would sound a lot more convincing if he just admitted it had to be a hell of a lot better than January, when he presided over the club actually weakening its squad. Even if you take the Carroll sale out of the equation, he weakened the squad. Europe? Best get the basics right first, Pardew.
Whumpie(Quote)
batty… 😆 😆 …..but ref me..defo not for the money cos we won’t have any and I’m not going to play for or support another club. F*ck him,F*ck Liverpool, F*ck Ashley
richietoon(Quote)
toonsy 63 of course his agent would of been in his ear 24 _7 and we know carrol wasent the sharpest knife in the draw ,but who do you think started it all ,the 1st was andy carrol will not be sold ( in this window)
batty(Quote)
Not really Stu. There is more to life than money and when you get a chance that you’ve waited ten years for you have to take it when comes along.
So long as I earn enough to maintain my lifestyle that’s good enough for me. After all, you can’t take it with you.
Put simply, if I needed the money, I wouldn’t be taking the new job 🙂
Part retiring at 29. I am indeed at *** 😆
toonsy(Quote)
rich 😆 you will soon be loaded by not going too watch the toon every week 😉
batty(Quote)
Toonsy: good call on the job, fella. I’m hoping to do the same just as soon as I can afford it. You don’t need to rent a house near Alicante, do you? 😛
And you’re dead right about the agent. He’s the only party who’s gained, I think. Liverpool may get £35m worth out of AC – £60m with salary – but I doubt it! More likely they’ll sell at a massive loss in a year’s time when he’s either failed to perform, or been had up for assault. Or both.
Carroll’s woken up having given up everything that mattered to him – playing for the Toon, wearing No 9, being near his mates and family – for something that didn’t – yet more money.
The agent? £5m for a few hours’ work. The utter ****.
Whumpie(Quote)
CC – Agree about Liverpool.
People cling on to how much they invested in the window, but if you look at it they invested **** all and probably made a little out if January by the time you consider wages and everything.
Their investment = Nowt 🙂
toonsy(Quote)
batty
Nope i aint got a problem with that its your opinion but i think differently, Beardsley went to liverpool when the were winning things all the time, Carrolls gone to a **** poor club who we were really close to jumping and it all ******* stinks<<<< aye but beardo jumped and ide say carrol was sort of tricked into it with him being young and thick as fook ,but at least the scouse c unts are showing abit of ambition 😉
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