How Newcastle have reached the elusive 40 point mark.

Nolan against Sunderland. What a day!
Newcastle’s first season back in the Premier League has been a very mixed bag. This has made our campaign exciting at times, demoralising at times and very hard to predict.

As a newly promoted team on the back of a season unbeaten at home, so called “experts” believed that we would be a prime candidate for the drop. They claimed that the only way we could stay up would be to carry on our great home form from the previous season, but that hasn’t particularly been the case.

After breaking down our points tally so far this season I found that we have gained slightly more points at home than we have done away. 22 of our points have come at St James’ Park and 18 have come away from home. Our five remaining games consist of two home fixtures and three away so we have a chance to gain a similar total both home and away.

At home we have looked at our strongest when playing the top six teams, only getting beat once and gaining seven points from the so called “big boys”, with the most memorable game being the biggest comeback in Premier League history from 4-0 down against Arsenal in a game that ended 4-4. We also inflicted heavy defeats on West Ham, Wolves, Aston Villa and we gave the Mackems a Halloween to remember.

Away from home has brought less wins against the bigger teams but has brought many vital points against the teams who we were meant to be scrapping for survival with. With no defeat against anybody in the bottom six and picking up a total of 12 points against teams who would expect to have a good chance against us has also been very pleasing. This tally may increase further with the visit to Blackpool coming up this weekend. Brilliant 1-0 away wins at Arsenal and Everton gained us six more important points, with results that will have undoubtedly pleased the travelling Geordie fans.

With the league table as it is we have currently picked up 14 points against teams above us and 26 points from teams below us. Even though it feels good to pick up points against the bigger teams it has been more important for us to beat the teams around us in attempt to secure safety. We may be able to increase this amount of points with three teams below us in the table still to play in the run in.

The high points this season for me have to be the two huge wins over Sunderland and Aston Villa as well as the excellent away win at Arsenal which was truly unexpected.

The low points this season so far for me have been the double which Stoke inflicted upon us and the smash and grab defeat we suffered to Blackpool earlier on in this campaign.

Finally, Newcastle gained 22 points while Andy Carroll was playing and 18 points since his injury and his departure from the club. With five games still to go this season we may end up gaining more points without Andy Carroll in the team. I know with Carroll we might have had more points currently on the board, but for a side ravaged with injuries and without their main strikers this little “Championship” team we have hasn’t done too badly.

Let’s finish this season strongly!

121 thoughts on “How Newcastle have reached the elusive 40 point mark.

  1. Whumpie
    Posted April 21, 2011 at 1:35 PM

    They were among our best players when they were sold imo. Maybe not in yours and that’s fine.

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  2. “The fact that we are on course to be the only promoted side to finish in the top ten aside from ourselves (nearly 20 years ago now 😆 ) and Ipswich is lost on some ”

    😯 😯 What about Notts forest, Leicester, Sunderland, Reading, Wigan and West Ham…

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  3. N’Zogbia’s not that great.
    Milner is okay But overrated.
    Parker is getting old and isn’t better than Tiote

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  4. Apart from Carroll…

    When was the last time we let a player leave and he did class? I cant think of any, maybe Bellamy.

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  5. Whumpie
    Posted April 21, 2011 at 1:38 PM

    I totally see your point, Whumpie. But it’s not often you get very talented players that have a great attitude as well. Sometimes you have to humour these type of characters.

    Who’s to say that these ‘talented’ players wouldn’t be performing great for us now and sorted their attitude out if they knew that they wouldn’t get what they want just by having a tantrum.

    People try and push the boundries to see how much they can get away with – if they have a weak leader they will take advantage – if they have a strong leader they accept and respect, then there’s no problem.

    There’s always exeptions though…

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  6. I’d like Milner back. But I’d rather have the £13m to spend.

    As for the rest – who would you bump to the subs bench (or sell) to make space? Harps? Krul? Barton? Benny?

    Ah – got one. Raylor for Milner. Right, Toonsy? You’d need about £12m for the balance, mind.

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  7. Lee Ryder just said Harper might need a small operation, Krul will start against Blackpool and Guthrie is also out with an injury.

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  8. CC
    Posted April 21, 2011 at 1:42 PM

    ” 😯 😯 What about Notts forest, Leicester, Sunderland, Reading, Wigan and West Ham…”

    I forgot the “in the first season back” bit….

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  9. Yep, Stu – get you on that one. But I’d argue that it was partly through letting these moaning tits (most notably Insomnia) have their slack that got us into the mire in the first place.

    Others – Milner and Given most notably – had just been so poorly treated for so long that I didn’t blame them going one bit. As others have said – every one of those players went for good reason. Most started with “I hate being here” because we were a chaotic, insolvent, plummeting laughing stock at the time.

    Anyway, I think we’ve lost the point here. What I still don’t understand is: how can you interpret that league table as negative given the resulting position we’re in?

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  10. CC and Toonsy – I’m confused… and ignorant. Who was right? Is it just us and Ipswich, or that whole rabble CC mentioned?

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  11. “I forgot the “in the first season back” bit….”

    Aye and that was me point they all did it in their first season up as well, Have you been buying baccy from one of them rasta shops… 😉

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  12. Whumpie
    Posted April 21, 2011 at 1:49 PM

    I have never said it’s negative.

    I only said that if you sell your best players you’ll never win anything.

    Then I get a barrage from everyone…

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  13. Shame about Guthrie – poor lad deserves a run in the team.

    Good line-up options for us on Sat though. Need Shola fit, that’s all. Also, I hope Loven’s had some heading practice during the week. If he can just sort that and add it to the workrate and positioning he showed on Tuesday, he’ll do some damage.

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  14. Stu – ah, I think I understand. Yep. Bit wide of the mark. So if you can just put into simple terms what you think the club should have done instead, it may clear things up….

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  15. I think the key difference of opinion here is how you justify ‘best players’, given how badly we were doing with them, and how well we’ve done without them. Then you add in the financial aspect, and, um… it all goes a bit spoons IMHO.

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  16. Nowt wrong with selling your best players if they’re shite and you replace them with better players… 😉

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  17. Whumpie
    Posted April 21, 2011 at 1:55 PM

    Well I wouldn’t have sold Given, Nzogbia, Milner or Parker.

    I think the fact we got relegated shows the players we replaced them with weren’t good enough – so I see them as being our better players.

    Forget about now, I’m talking about the last couple of years that’s all.

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  18. JerseyGeordie
    Posted April 21, 2011 at 1:59 PM
    Nowt wrong with selling your best players if they’re shite and you replace them with better players…

    As I said, if they were replaced by better players we wouldn’t have been relegated.

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  19. Stuart79
    Posted April 21, 2011 at 2:00 PM

    “Forget about now, I’m talking about the last couple of years that’s all.”

    Naturally. Because everyone should cling onto the past and not look at the future 🙄

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  20. Dan, when do you want to get beat on fifa by so much you thorw your xbox out the window? 😆

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  21. toonsy
    Posted April 21, 2011 at 2:02 PM

    Who’s clinging to the past? I’m having a debate about it, and only because our recent past has had such a effect on our present state.

    You really need to get a grip.

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  22. No stu. You know why we got relegated.
    We got relegated because all the posh signing didn’t give two fecks about the club and already had one foot out the door. The ones we sold on were the ones we sold on were the ones with the balls to force a move. Do you honestly believe that if we kept them in their disgruntled state along with the couldn’t care less crowd we would’ve stayed up? They would’ve joined together in their distain to put in class performances?

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  23. wonder why wor jackie moved on,wonder why wyn the leap moved on,wonder why super mac move on wonnder why judas moved on,ect ect,ah yes thats life ill just have to move on i guess 😆

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  24. “Who’s clinging to the past? I’m having a debate about it, and only because our recent past has had such a effect on our present state”

    Present state??

    Are we not on for our best league finish in 5 years…

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  25. CC
    Posted April 21, 2011 at 2:07 PM

    You’re assuming that ‘present state’ is a negative term aren’t you? It’s not – it’s a way of describing where we are at this present time.

    Stop looking into everything I say and thinking it’s negative. It’s not!

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  26. CC
    Posted April 21, 2011 at 2:07 PM

    “Are we not on for our best league finish in 5 years…”

    Exactawee, but some people would rather focus on the past instead of enjoying the now 🙂

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  27. JerseyGeordie
    Posted April 21, 2011 at 2:07 PM

    The players we sold had the balls to leave?

    We could have done with players with balls in that relegation season – maybe we wouldn’t have been relegated then…?

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  28. Stuart79
    Posted April 21, 2011 at 2:10 PM

    “Stop looking into everything I say and thinking it’s negative. It’s not!”

    So if our recent past has had an effect on the “present state”, and you are happy and surprised with the present state, then what exactly is the issue? I mean you’ve already said we are better now than what we were then, so what does it really matter?

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  29. toonsy
    Posted April 21, 2011 at 2:10 PM
    CC
    Posted April 21, 2011 at 2:07 PM

    “Are we not on for our best league finish in 5 years…”

    Exactawee, but some people would rather focus on the past instead of enjoying the now

    I’ll repeat myself again for the slow people – I haven’t complained about where we are now have I?

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  30. I think we’re finally to the point. Stu thinks we’d have been better off sticking to our guns, keeping those players and hoping for a turn-around.

    Hard to prove otherwise, but seems massively unlikely – especially as those players had already put us in a dire position by January.

    But the killer argument is about money. We were totally, utterly insolvent and could not afford to keep players, let alone spend the money on equivalent ones.

    But at least I see the point properly now. I don’t agree with it, but it’s down to a subjective judgement, so fair enough. Cheers for sticking with it, Stu!

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  31. Whumpie – I’ve got the point from an early juncture. I’m just trying to work out the logic behind it and I’m struggling to why it’s an issue when it’s already been said that we are better off now? 😕

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  32. Here’s another way to look at it.

    We were absolutely RIGHT to be a ‘selling club’ for the past few years. If we hadn’t done it voluntarily it would have been forced by the tax man and/or administrators.

    If we’d not been a selling club:
    1. We’d possibly not exist now, or we’d be ‘doing a Leeds’
    2. Performance-wise, we’d probably have been relegated twice due to not addressing the core problems in the club and squad (i.e. not clearing out the wastes of space)
    3. Our best players – hell, all our players – would have left anyway due to the above.
    4. We’d not have improved our balance sheet by nearly £80m and be looking at making a profit. So we couldn’t become a buying club as we are now.

    Simples.

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  33. toonsy
    Posted April 21, 2011 at 2:15 PM
    Whumpie – I’ve got the point from an early juncture. I’m just trying to work out the logic behind it and I’m struggling to why it’s an issue when it’s already been said that we are better off now?

    What is so hard to understand?

    I’m dissapointed with what has happened to the club over the last couple of years – angry even. That has had a direct impact on where the club/supporters are now. I’m happy with what the club has achieved this season but I’m not happy with the shit we’ve had to take to get here.

    It’s not that hard to understand.

    Although if we’re in the same position this time next year I will be dissapointed.

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  34. We won fvck all with Emre, Given, Zogs, Milner or Parker and haven’t had a top 9 finish since Bobby Robson (which looks like it could be on the cards this season)

    Some people on this blog seem to think we were challenging for champions league prior to Fat Ash whereas the reality is that we were normally flirting with relegation including the season roeder got us to 7th
    Get a grip on reality, we’ve been shite for years and are now looking like we could actually kick on a bit given a bit of investment, the retention of senior players (i.e. Enrique, Barton) and the return of Ben Arfa, Gosling and poss Ireland
    At least one class striker needed tho

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