Out with the old and in with the new?

More Nolan reaction.
Right, so we’ve all we had a chance to reflect upon the Kevin Nolan to West Ham transfer, subject to completion of course, agreed?

No doubt the reaction will roll on, but so far the outlook has generally been negative.

Is this however, as many are predicting, a return to the dark days of three seasons ago? Or is this the real beginning of the new Newcastle?

Kevin Nolan has two main strengths – leadership and goal-scoring ability. These are two commodities that are very difficult to find never mind in a sole individual. Can they be replaced?

The leadership – The leadership Nolan provided was priceless. Looking at the current squad I see no candidates who we’ll look to when the going inevitably gets tough. Judging by quotes attributed to Cheik Tiote he has seemingly set the standard for what is expected of new players and helping to bed them into an already tight knit group and has also found himself offering a helping hand to the youngsters. Carroll took notice, Ranger didn’t, and the results are clear on that.

Goal-scoring ability – He has a real knack of being in the right place at the right time. His hat-trick against Sunderland is testament to this. Just looking at the goal scoring charts for last season shows his quality – more than Lampard and Rooney. His ability to get into these areas creates problems for defenders as even if he doesn’t score he has to be watched.

Looking at ‘positive’ reasons for his departure, Pardew has stated many times since he came in that the two main traits he would be looking for in his new players are pace and energy. With all due respect to Nolan, he puts more work in than he’s given credit for but he possesses neither speed nor real energy. Would he be a starter?

Looking at the depth in midfield we have Cheik Tiote and Hatem Ben Arfa who immediately stand out, and we have the returning Dan Gosling to compete. We are also being linked with several other midfielders although I’ve left out Yohan Cabaye as I’ve never seen him play.

Was the writing already on the wall? – A point I feel many have missed, In January Pardew’s sole signing was the loan capture of Stephen Ireland, a player who would be brought in to directly compete with Ben Arfa/Nolan for our attacking midfield role. Had Ireland caught fire and turned in some top performances would there still be the same feeling amongst fans over Nolan’s departure?

The contract wrangle – I think it’s pretty clear that there is one lord of the manor at St James’, Mike Ashley. Mike has shown now with Carroll, Barton and Nolan that he will not be tangled with when it comes to new deals. Nolan has unfortunately attempted to do just that and there can only be one winner. I believe Ashley was right with this deal; would Nolan have been worth a large deal until he’s past 32?

Hughton’s fabled senior player committee – Alan Pardew has said that he wants to put his own stamp on the side and what better way is there than to get rid of the power four of Smith, Nolan, Barton and Harper. Add this into Pardew’s new, stricter approach to punctuality that he has been talking about it makes you wonder whether there was some friction to these new rule changes?

For me this situation could easily have been avoided with delayed contract talks but it’s happened and here we are. For me the balance of weighing up his merits against his drawbacks is too hard. I feel that the hole left by Nolan in the leadership department alone may be too big to fill but I’m not sure if we’ll miss him as much in terms of performance.

It is as we have come to accept with the Mike Ashley regime a gamble. He’s got some wrong and he’s got some right. Will this be a return to the dark days of years gone by? Or is this the phoenix finally rising from the flames?

I personally have no idea, but we will all soon find out…

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132 thoughts on “Out with the old and in with the new?

  1. @ Moreno, he doesn’t sound too great if PSG are offloading him for sace in their squad hehe 😆

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  2. @ dan4toon, that certainly changes my limited opinion on him 😛 we could do with utility attackers who can switch positions, and yes that sounds like that would work with Ba and maybe Ameobi or Ranger now and again up front !! 😆

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  3. Nolan is only good when you play long ball, aka houghton style blast the ball upfront to carroll knock down for Nolan.

    This notion of Nolan being a prolific goalscorer is nonsense, how many did he socre without Carroll? Answear is 2.

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  4. Colm, yeah even Best as well. Looks like we will have Benny, Jonas, Barnetta and Erding who will be rotating between attacking positions 🙂

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  5. @77 and one of them was a flick on from Ameobi from a long ball, other was thanks tiote for working his balls of to keep the ball in play.

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  6. Im sad he’s gone but 4m in is a good deal considering he could leave for nothing in 2 seasons. almost pays for cabaye too who someone said isnt up to much? i watch ligue1 and hes a great player, fews recent caps for france too and they have quite a decent midfield! he may just take a bit to get used to PL

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  7. I saw Ed’s article on Barton’s cost per game also and he is expensive… Taking out my emotion (and slight shock) of seeing Nobby Nolan leave, I say fair game. I believe, or at least would like to think, that this is the start of a new era for the Toon. Many times in the past we have been infuriated by the board, but all in all, we are better off than we were two years ago and I believe we will be better off than we are now in another two years time. HWTL.

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  8. 😯 i forgot all about Best 😆 he’s been injured right ? But yes, he impressed me when he played, was it 6 goals in 12 starts or something ??? Then again he got 3 in one game against Nolans new club xD

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  9. Lots of articles about this Erding guy, i’ve established he’s an attacker, anyone know much about him ? Starting with the knowledge of whether he is any good ??
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    I’ve heard what Moreno/Dan have; PSG getting rid to cover the Gameriro fee, pacey, likes to drop deep, best when paired with another striker. We were linked with him in january and pardew says the club’s been following him for some time.

    Not the “world class” striker people seem to want but seems to be an improvment over what we have. Still only 24 or 25 years old too I think.

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  10. Looks like we will have Benny, Jonas, Barnetta and Erding who will be rotating between attacking positions
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    Thanks for making my day 😉 i like the looks of that

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  11. Well MDS age seems to be important for us this year, Ashley is apparently keen on dropping the wage bill AND the age of the squad, so if Erding is young, no doubt we will be looking close

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  12. dan- I dont care who we get, aslong as they put the ball in the net at least 20 times a season 😆

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  13. Lads etoo wants to come to the premier league…..cashley lining him up 😯 😯 😯

    dear oh dear if only

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  14. Erdinc is a good technical player but i dont think he scores enough goals, one article said 12 last season in all comps. i saw that PSG thought gameiro would score more so thats why they got him. erdinc starts for turkey maybe he could be more suited to prem

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  15. Daverism – happy to have some fellow rose tinted glasses wearers with me. Have tried to be positive for weeks!

    Dan – I think you should stop reading what I write then spouting it off as your thoughts and getting credit for it 😉

    Just wait for BSN9 to be on – then us positive souls are done for 😯

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  16. Raffo, were a team, your the brains, am the pretty one 😉 😆

    God help us when Bobby does come on, I’ve got my bucket of sand ready for when he does 😀

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  17. Daverism said everything I wanted to. I remember all of us bit*ching about Nolan during and after every game on this very blog, all of us were so sure Nolan wouldn’t hold a place down when Ireland was fit. Give Pardew a chance. Everyone wanted a huge transfer window with lots of changes, well, we can’t just bring players in, we have to get better players and let the replacees leave. Maybe we’d all have felt better if we got 5 players in first and then let 3 players leave, but no one can dictate how that happens.
    I still think it’s going to be a great transfer window, maybe I’m nuts, but I want a very happy next season.

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  18. Craigcoozy just posted this on twitter:

    Player has left hotel vua bck door, club are keepin all these transfers disceet this yr, room has been kept open so must be away for medical

    Also wheres toonruz, thought n’zogbia was having a medical today? Unless this player is N’zogbia but from my understanding its Barnetta / player from bundesliga

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  19. I must say like, the journo’s seem to think we are going to have a blinding window as well….it’s a collective feeling as well, surely they all can’t be wrong…

    can they..? 😕

    😀

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  20. Hydeous – funny you mention that…. I’ve been scuttling through some old match threads digging out some choice opinions on Nolan. Some of the more vocal protesters are either going to look like idiots or have to do some impressive backtracking when I publish said article 😆

    seems Nolan has gone from benchwarmer elect to superstar starter now he’s been sold 😆

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  21. Moreno, I know I was saying that Andrew earlier, not only that they seem to have the same players down for us in; N.Taylor, Matuidi, Barnetta, Erding, Ba.

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  22. God help us when Bobby does come on, I’ve got my bucket of sand ready for when he does
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    I actually think BS supports the Nolan sale… 😯

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  23. parker cleaning everything up and
    nolan bombing forward and
    destroying yet another championship
    defense with his death defying
    passing and his net busting goals
    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  24. Moreno – maybe just maybe there is a decent window ahead and Ashley and Pards et al do actually know what they are doing.

    It wont stop alot of the doom and gloomers but hey lets just see. Enjoy the ride! 😆 😆 😆

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  25. Toonsy – another gypsy nicking all my good material. Its funny how noone comments on my insightful posts but people use them all?!? hhhmmmm

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  26. Nolan served us well and we got a decent price for him especially considering it’s hard to see how he would fit into our midfield next season. We might miss his leadership but that just means Pardew will have to step up his game, he is the manager after all !

    Apparently he wanted some stability for his family…….. in that case he should jack in footy and get a job down McDonalds

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  27. Look the furore around nolan is merely to bring us down as a club again …. the press love it!

    Lets face its not the best move in the world for us but its done settled and nolan has gone ..the press just want to label us as some degenerate bunch who moan every 5 seconds…

    Lets face it we are better than that and IMO we can fill the void nolan left but by moving on and not dragging it up again and again.

    Ill change my mind when david dunn comes in mind 👿 👿 👿

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  28. @MDS

    Too busy to get on but I’ve got my opinions on the sale of Nolan. Later though.

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  29. To be honest if the club offered Nolan a £10K pay rise, another 12 months on his 24 month contract and £500,000 if he could guide the team to a top half finish and he turned all that down because he wanted a 5 year contract then good luck to him and see ya later as far as I’m concerned. This is exactly the sort of thing that has been our problem in the past, bowing down to the excessive demands of players. With the money we will recieve for Nolan and the saving in wages we will be able to afford Demba Ba, a proper striker. I think some of this is to do with Pardew aswell just because of his quotes there is a rabbit away. I think Nolan has been told that there is not even a gaurentee he will be a first choice player next season during the talks and that has huffed him. As good as Nolan has been during these last two seasons we don’t need players getting big for their boots and demanding stuff. Nolan has contradicted himself loads of times IMO first on the Carroll thing when he said he was happy for Liverpool and now when he said how much he cared for this club, just to snub our offer and sneek out the back door to a 5 year pension contract with Big Sam. Thanks for everything Kevin and hopefully we won’t miss your goals next season. Bring on Ba, Barnetta and the other 3 signings Pardew is on about and let the good times roll.

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  30. I mean look at the players Big Sam has signed, Gardener, Faye, Nolan.

    He told the West Ham fans he will be playing good attractive football and they believe him! He’s already signing the players for route one, kick and run rugby football. For what it’s worth I think Allardyce and the championship were made for each other and his tactics will do really well there but why does he go to places like Blackburn, Newcastle and West Ham where the fans crave a decent level of technical, attractive football! He is doomed to fail yet again, I give him 2 seasons tops!

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  31. Says on the internet that Pardew wants to sign Nigel Reo-Coker who is available on a free, and was Pardew’s captain at West Ham ! If he were to join us, perhaps Pardew might even consider giving him the armband again, after trusting him with it at the hammers when Reo-Coker was quite young ? 😐

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  32. No doubt the club will cash in on tiote and ben arfa because fat ashley is a bad owner lol

    Probably replace them with reo coker and jonathan spector haha cos he is a fat greedy man

    COCKNEY MAFIA OUT!

    Forgot to say I am a class A bell end lol

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  33. Great post. Sad to see Nolan go, but i thank him for his outstanding service and leadership.

    As for talk about player power with the cabal of Nolan, Smith, Barton and Harper is a real head scratcher. What negatives can be attributed to their supposed power? They got us promoted, they saw us to safety this season. Smith barely featured, if they were running the show wouldn.t he have been starting? Harper, sat on the bench a few games with Krul’s form being decent. If he were running the show wouldn’t he have been starter when fit?
    Hughton was our best manager since Sir Bobby, and was sacked, i think, because he refused to be Ashley’s puppet. To insinuate he was the players puppet does the man a disservice.

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