In today’s view from the away end I speak to Phil, he’s a Liverpool fan and certainly has some blunt and honest views on Newcastle United.
Liverpool are a club that we have a bit of history with, who could forget the infamous 4-3’s? Of course they splashed the cash to sign our star number 9 on the last day of the transfer window in January. In 2005 Michael Owen arrived on Tyneside after being heavily linked with a return to Liverpool, something that left a bitter taste with Liverpool fans at the time.
There have been some big names to have represented both clubs in some capacity whether it be playing, managing or coaching the clubs. Keegan, Dalglish, Souness, Terry Mac the list goes on. But whilst the two clubs have quite a lot in common there does appear to be a bit of rivalry between the two sets of fans.
Here’s what Phil had to say:
How do you rate Newcastle fans?
Passionate to the core. You have ridiculous pain endurance when getting the numerous Geordie male bitch tits out on a cold January evening and are cracking for the premier league. That being said, ridiculously over ambitious and unrealistic with your aims. Right now you’re a bottom half club with a big stadium and in the modern game you need better structure and stability at boardroom level if you’re to ever progress any further.
If you could have any one Newcastle player at Liverpool who would it be and why?
Enrique or Ben Arfa. Both your two best player and would give us options where we are looking weak at the moment.
Who is your favorite Newcastle player of all time and why?
Alan Shearer. Who doesn’t love watching that volley fly in against Everton? Although I did love Temuri Ketsbaia just to watch his goal celebrations.
From an away supporter’s point of view, what do you make of St James’ Park?
Great stadium, with great support. One of the best things about NUFC is the ground and those that fill it.
Andy Carroll, where to start with this one- £35 million. The move, the player. What are your views?
The fee was always going to be dictated by the Torres fee. He has a lot to prove, and although you guys think he’s a traitor, it has to be seen as good career move for him. You should also be happy with the fee. Well over inflated but overall I think it’s a good deal for both teams.
Torres was vocal about wanting his transfer to Chelsea, Carroll handed in a transfer request to force a move after pledging his future to Newcastle. Do you think there’s any loyalty in the game?
There is loyalty in football. Look at Carragher, Scholes, Giggs and Neville. Football fans just need to be realistic and remember it’s a job and it’s people’s career’s we’re talking about. The loyalty is in the minority rather than the majority.
What do you make of our business in the transfer market thus far? Do you think selling Nolan was a bad move by the club?
Absolutely. So far losing core English players will set you back, especially if you’re replacing them with foreign lightweight players like Marveaux.
How do you think we did in our first season back in the PL last season?
12th is a really good finish for you. I’m sure if you finished there again next season you’d be happy. Until your ownship chances I can’t see you doing anything more, give or take 1 or 2 premiership places.
Liverpool have been bought by a man who seems to be happy to splash the cash, but What do you think of Mike Ashley?
He’s a joke of a chairman and really just needs to sell up. Hated by your fans and is a laughing stock to the rest of the premier league. The guy is really in it for himself (like most chairman) but he’s ridiculously overt about it, which must be a constant embarrassment to you guys?
Kenny Dalgish has recently returned to Anfield, but what do you make of Pardew at Newcastle?
Pardew loves himself so much that if he was made of chocolate he’d eat himself. Comes across as really arrogant and to me is another average Joe manager in the premier league. Did well at West Ham, will do ok at you, but never going to be a world beater.
You have been linked with other Newcastle players, Jose Enrique, Jonas and even Barton. What would your reaction be if you signed any of them?
Enrique is decent enough. Left back a really weak area for us now and looking like we’ve lost out on Clichy he’d be a decent option. Still think there’s perhaps better out there though if we really want to challenge.
Barton you can keep. He does well enough for you but he won’t take us to the next level and his baggage is an issue that he’ll never lose.
Jonas I also think isn’t good enough for top 4 and therefore he should stick to what he does well, playing well for Newcastle.
This is a question I ask everyone Phil- who will finish higher next season?
Are you serious? What a ridiculous question. We’re on our way back under a past legend and a really good chairman who’s running things properly. You’re selling your captain to a championship club for very little cash. I don’t even need to answer this.
Although I’ll say, I don’t even fancy Pardew to finish next season with you guys and will probably be shown the door by March time. If you can get Ben Arfa fit I’m looking forward to seeing him play again.
Score predictions for next season please?
St James’– 1-2 to Liverpool.
Anfield– 3-0 to Liverpool.
A lot was said about about Sylvain Marveaux’s move to Newcastle, a player that nearly joined Liverpool. He was rumored to of failed a medical, a claim that has been denied. What do you make of the player and his move to Newcastle?
I read rumours on this guy. Another injury prone player that in all honesty I’d never heard of before then English press got hold of his name. I think we’ve probably dodged a bullet, as if we’d really wanted him we’d have gotten him. We already have enough deadwood in his position with Jovanovich and Cole. We don’t need anymore thank you.
I have little thoughts anyone on Owen. I grew up in an era idolising Fowler and when Owen emerged on the scene it was him that began to excel under the Houllier era, strike a partnership with Heskey and begin Fowlers move to Leeds. Owen had great Liverpool and England moments, my favourite being the FA cup final against Arsenal in 2001 and his goal vs Argentina for England. One of the most sided games I’ve ever seen an he turned it on its head single handily.
In the Rafa era he had one year to go on his deal and fancied a change at Real Madrid, Rafa really had no choice but to let him go. What angered me about that deal is the 8 Million + Nunez we received. Pathetic fee for one of our best ever home grown talents. At Madrid he excelled again especially as an impact sub and although I could see he was frustrated, I was still happy to see him do well. When his time there came to an end a number of factors decided his next move.
1. Owen’s always been an England first kind of player. I think deep down he had to move when he did to try and maintain his hopes of staying in the national squad.
2. 16.8 million to obtain Owen was never ever going to be matched by Liverpool after the fee we received for him. I have no doubt where Owen wanted to go, Carragher’s autobiography even said he fancied Liverpool but the deal was never going to happen. I still didn’t mind Owen at this point as I understood his need to move at that point.
The thing is, Newcastle fans in this whole story still don’t seem to look at themselves as Owen’s second choice. In his mind you were nothing more than a move to regain form, fitness and an England place. Unfortunately for Owen this didn’t happen and his constant struggle with injuries only lead his career into more stagnation and frustration.
Then came Owen’s last chance to regain all that he once had. A Bosman move to Man United. Really nothing more than pawn in Fergie’s bigger chess games. To me his move’s been a flop and his career has really fallen from grace. Letting down Liverpool fans and forgetting about tradition and also not living up to his 16.8 mil fee (Then again you have to look at yourselves and say “we created that ridiculous price for him in the first place.”)
Now to me, Owen is nothing more than someone to laugh at. He is clinging onto his career by a thread and it won’t be too long before we see him sitting on A Question of Sport Panel or The Match of the Day team.
To finish on Owen and my current feelings on him, nothing could sum it up better than his recent online conversation with Piers Morgan.
themichaelowen @piersmorgan I take exception to footballers being labelled greedy pigs by morons like you. Get me on your programme so we can debate it!!!
Morgan then responded with a series of replies that I will just group together.
piersmorgan @themichaelowen Would love to interview you, Benchwarmer, but don’t think you’re big enough any more for me, sadly. Try Titchmarsh.
but I wouldn’t expect someone who supported Everton but played for Liverpool then joined United to understand loyalty. but then I’m not just expected to sit on a bench for nine months a year, whistling Beatles songs and talking horses.
Some interesting views from a Liverpool fan there. I think some points Phil made were perfectly valid however Newcastle fans aren’t all the deluded and unrealistic bunch some have us down to be. Yes as supporters we have ambition and expectations for our club but most of us are also realistic.
When asked what supporter’s expectations for last season were, most said survival. We do have a few fans who expect bigger things than our club will provide us, but I have to say they are in the minority and most Newcastle fans are down to earth. We can be an optimistic bunch but we know there’s never a dull moment and we are realistic about what we can achieve at the moment.
Yes we have been guilty for booing managers and players, but which club fans haven’t? We pay decent money to watch our team and expect a performance to reflect that.
In terms of Michael Owen, we were under no illusions that his first choice was Liverpool when he signed. He was very public and honest about that. To be fair that is one of the few things I respect about Owen on reflection. He did come with a hefty price tag and with the wages he was on naturally there was expectation on his shoulders.
It’s not Michael’s fault he got injured, but his lack of passion or leadership was the problem. He had a face like thunder seemingly the whole time he was here despite the mega bucks he was earning. He didn’t seem to get involved or do many interviews either,which is just unacceptable when your club captain.
Whether the guy wanted to join us is irrelevant, fact is he was unhappy in Madrid and wanted to come home. Newcastle were the only team that were willing to match the asking price and get him back in The Premier League where he wanted to be- maybe a bit of gratitude from Michael wouldn’t have gone a miss. Not only were the fans paying his wages but for his image rights on top of that, the amount of Owen replica shirts that were being sold would have made him a bit of dosh.
In terms of Marveux, I guess we’ll just have wait and see. He has had documented injury problems and it will be interesting to see if he has overcome the injuries and whether he will be ready for pre season.
Thank you very much to Phil for his time and feedback today. Do you agree with the answers Phil gave us? Please discuss.