Is Alan Pardew in an untenable position?

Pardew speaks again...
Pardew isn't the bad lad!
I’ve read a lot of comments over the last few weeks about our manager Alan Pardew. Yes, that’s right. Like it or not Alan Pardew IS our manager.

Personally I feel that a lot of the criticism he has been on the end of has been harsh and has had nothing to do with his actual job – managing the team.

I mean results wise we could have probably been better off, and we would have been but for a flukey deflection at the Stadium of Light, a lapse in concentration at the death against Tottenham and a complete collapse and surrender of a three goal lead against West Brom on the final day of last season. In fact it would have been enough to grab 8th place had we held on to even two of those leads.

I mean can a manager really do much when his players on the pitch switch off or get caught out? Shouldn’t that have been the job of Captain Tugboat (Kevin Nolan for those who don’t know) as our leader on the pitch to keep his troops focussed? Just a thought…

Despite the fact we ended up slightly lower than we were when Pardew took over from Chris Hughton I still feel that we played better football under him and, for some unknown reason, just felt that little bit more professional. It was like we actually had a manager and not a coach pretending to be a manager, which actually sounds harsh but I don’t mean it that way.

The facts and stats can be bent in many different directions and whilst people will point out that Chris Hughton’s winning percentage was better that Pardew’s it would be unbalanced to not mention the fact that Pardew actually picked up more points per game, and that was without the likes of Andy Carroll plus having to deal with Cheik Tiote being suspended for quite some time amongst other things.

The football, I believe, is better, but despite that, and perhaps rather amazingly, it’s not the actual football that many people have a problem with. They recognise that Pardew done well to keep things together in the second half of last season and that he had a weaker squad with which to deal with things, but it isn’t that which irks them.

To them it’s the lies, or misinformation or whatever you want to call it. To some it’s unbearable yet they keep on listening to it like a clapping seal waiting for a fish so they can just rip it apart. The “best fans in the land” are really showing just how “great” they are at “supporting”, or at least a section of them are anyway…

However there is a problem with that. A couple of problems in fact. At the end of the day why do people choose to continuously listen to someone they say lies all the time? Why not just ignore it? We all know someone who bullshits quite a lot. We all have that one person at work who has done everything you have ever done, bigger, better, quicker. What do you do to them? Well to be honest I just tend to ignore them…

Then there is the question of whether Alan Pardew is actually lying at all? I mean the evidence to back up the case that he actually not lying is pretty substantial – remember it was proven in a court that Mike Ashley and Co lied to the fans and to Kevin Keegan so why would they suddenly change?

Perhaps Pardew is just going off what he has been told? It’s probably the wrong call give the previous form of his employers but at the end of the day we do tend to listen to what a new employer says (I was promised x amount of perks at my last job which never materialised, for example) and I think his eagerness to impress us has lead to him replicating the false promises that he has been told. I also note that he is learning not to promise on things that he can’t actually deliver.

People will still not be convinced after all that though, so I’d like to ask who they would like as a manager? Perhaps a better way of putting it would be who they think would come to Newcastle and work under the restrictions that the board are placing on their managers?

At the end of the day the draw of Newcastle United manager is not what it used to be. Whether that be as a result of Freddie Shepherd’s managerial roundabout or Mike Ashley’s iron fist approach or a mix of the two is up for debate, but the job of gaffer at NUFC has turned into a poisoned chalice.

Big name managers have tried and failed to do anything at Newcastle. Ruud Gullit, Kenny Dalglish, Sam Allardyce (big in his own world) and Graeme Souness have all tried and failed at the club with the only big name success being Sir Bobby (Legend) Robson. Ironically it’s the inexperienced and lesser known guys who have done better with us. Keegan was nobody in managerial terms when he took over first time round, even Glenn Roeder did well for a time, and then we had Chris Hughton who did remarkably well. I’d put Pardew in the latter bracket in terms of his stature.

I just don’t know what people want, but I do know that I actually quite like Alan Pardew and, like it or not, he is here so will get my backing 100% until his results start to erode that. People need to separate what Alan Pardew says off the pitch and what he can produce on the pitch. Ultimately it’s the latter that will determine his future.

So position untenable? In the eyes of some it is, but for those who play that card I’d like them to have a look at the the questions posed and ask whether or not he is really that bad? Yes he talks too much and sometimes it’s on aspects that he has no influence over, but I’d be willing to bet he is just being a bit naive rather than trying to intentionally deceive.

I say give him a chance. Why not? Who else is going to give it a go?

Incidentally I’ve just had a bit of family crisis meaning that I won’t be around much today, but I will try and get another couple of articles out at some point today. Apologies in advance. Toonsy.

About toonsy

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198 thoughts on “Is Alan Pardew in an untenable position?

  1. thats what i mean…u keep talking about ashley and his merry men…does he give a f.u.c.k…no.. why keep going back 2 him…boring…boring…he isnt just problem…nolan..barton…carrol ..are a joke as well..

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  2. @72

    do you think he was brought in for Footballing Reasons, and his Great Experience and proven abilities as a Top Football manager?

    Carroll was being sold is what was coming out from insiders at the club immediately after Hughton got the sack as the reason for his bizzare dismissal. Do you think Hughton would have went along with lying to the fans about that situation for a whole month?

    Do you really think Pardew was the man to take NUFC on to the next level? Do you buy all that bullcrap?

    He’s been brought in because he will go along with whatever they tell him to do, and he will unashamedly lie/decieve/mislead the fans for them in return for a top job in football.

    You certainly don’t have to agree with me but that is clearly how I see it.

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  3. Under the new regulations there would be about 3 teams competing in Europe, probably benefit Arsenal as they would be the only english team involved and no Spanish or Italian teams

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  4. Roy – If someone came up to you in the street, called you a fat ******* and then asked for £20, would you give them it?

    I know Ashley has brought a lot of it on himself, but you can’t really blame him for changing his mind.

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  5. he’s been here nearly 5 years so by my reckoning his owes nearly 100 mil + AC dosh + WR dosh + season ticket sales + tv money.

    so i think he should just walk away & we can call it quits 😉

    chicken – you cant stop people telling the truth marra.

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  6. i dont give 2 f.u.c.ks about ashley and co..ben arfa what is going on…is he are player and nobdy says ****..about how long he is out for…he is more important then ashley and co..

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  7. Back to footballing matters… It looks as though Arsenal will be without Walnut, Wilshere and Fabregas (most probably) for their visit to SJP.

    Gotta be a positive for us.

    Here’s my starting XI, any thoughts?

    ………………………Ba……………………….
    Marveaux……….Vukic……………Jonas
    ………………Tiote……Cabaye……………
    Enrique*…Coloccini…Taylor…Simpson
    ……………………Harper……………………..

    *providing he’s still here

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  8. toon chicken good team…cant see him playing that..hope so…arsenal play champs league 3 days later…so newcastle game might be a good 1 for us…thats more important then us..as they got the hardest team possible..

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  9. Toon chicken 58

    That article is massivley skewed in favour of Ashley, omitting some very obvious points.

    Firstly, to suggest that putting an asset worth millions up for sale for free is probably the most stupid piece of business advice I have ever read. Just how many businesses would survive if they sold all their 7 figure assets for nought because of some pìss poorly managed twitter exchange?

    It also negates to mention that there is no plan in place to replace someone who was our player of the year. Good business sense? I don’t think so.

    For some reason he seems to think Ashley should get all the credit for a record breaking promotion season, when in reality, things were steadied for once because he kept his nose out of things and let Hughton get on with it. he wants to take the credit for not meddling?

    He states we were just clear of the relegation zone when Pardew replaced Hughton. Errr, no we weren’t. We were actually mid table and finished lower than when Pardew took over.

    He doesn’t even question the appointment of Pardew. How could you not question the credentials of a man who was given an unbelievbable 5 year contract? For some reason he seems to think it’s seen as proactive to sack a successfully performing manager for one with no track record?

    He then goes on to quote Ashley and his association with the Arsenal model. Bizarrely Ashley talks about Newcastle performing at the highest level. What part of the management of this team this summer shows we are aiming for that? The transfer in of Cabaye is potentially the only thing, but everything else points towards not caring what kind of squad we will have, haphazard planning and utter cluelessness.

    Barton is a great advert for this policy? Really? Buying a player for £5million, then having a couple of wasted years and once he does repay you as player of the season you get rid of him for nothing. That’s really a great advert for this policy? Anyway, didn’t Barton sign before Ashley had bought the club?

    It’s good business to get rid of a player who could bring in £5million because you’d have to pay his wages for the year anyway. Who is this journalist? Is he one of the clueless idiots on the Apprentice? Don’t forget he was player of the year too. Getting rid makes so much sense financially and on the pitch. We don’t want any leaders and visionary players on the pitch whatever happens.

    Cabaye replacing Nolan is arguably the only sensible bit in this entire summer. It’s not just about goals and assists though. He hasn’t bothered to question how ripping the very core of the team spirit out will affect our performance. But I suppose it’s not about portraying a balanced view.

    “Yes the squad looks thin”

    Really? You don’t say. So that’s good management is it, making a £45million surplus in transfers this calendar year (When José goes) and still having a very thin squad. Yeah, that’s doing things right.

    And yes, it’s GOOD to get rid of our top left back for £8million because he could have gone for a lot less in the Championship.

    EVERY player could’ve gone for less in the Chmapionship. Shall we sell them all then? Because that’s your logic. Nothing about how much of a key player he was, and how we’re suddenly appearing to pin our hopes ona wispy little left winger fromt he reserves. Don’t mention that whatever you do.

    And as for this hysteria about him putting us on a sound financial footing, well there’s some major oversights as regards this.#

    Whilst Shepherd and co. did their best to leave us crippled, a big part off our financial problems are because Ashley paid MASSIVELY over the odds because he was so clueless, and didn’t carry out due diligence,

    We’re supposed to be thankful that he’s saddled us with a buying price so high, because he’s an idiot?

    Then we’re supposed to be grateful for his comedic decisions which most certainly led directly to our relegation, and loss of tens of millions of pounds in revenue.

    Somehow his enormous fowl ups which have cost us somewhere heading towards £100million are to be glossed over, and we’re to be thankful that he is now screwing the backside out of the club to repay loans, a large element of which are down to his own incompetence?

    Then there’s the classic we’ll break even by 2015. That seems a bit odd, because we’ve made a massive profit in 2010/11, and judging by this transfer window we’re set to make another one in 2011/12.

    The business is already sustainable with the major reduction in wages, and the massive Premier League tv deal, and add to that even more high wage earners off the books, so lets not get caught up in the hysteria that we are still on that long road to break even, and that he’s our saviour.

    He’s saving his own skin, not ours.

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  10. Sir Bobby 77

    Read my comments at 52 & 40 if you want to know what i think and feel.

    I was being a bit tongue in cheek, as very few people on here suggest that it could be for non-footballing reasons he was brought in.

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  11. shame like how the mighty have fallen (job wise) once newcastle was a job 90% of managers would give there right arm for,mostly because of the great fan base,now 99.9% of managers woundnt touch it with a barge pole,those worth there salt like 😥 😥

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  12. A Sim 89

    Just to let you know, it’s not possible to get a life and write for the Daily Mail. It’s one or the other.

    I didn’t realise you were writing in Engrish. I do apologise. I’ll remember that next time I read one of your pearls of wisdom.

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  13. laudrup – very well written post.

    now if you could do a simpletons version for alastair sim – it would be much appreciated.

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  14. ML–Phew, calm down.
    Barton– playerof the season, sorry not for me, half a season in his time here not enough for £60k a week. Sometimes in business you have to cut your losses for the bigger picture, disruptive influence to our kids and new players, sorry Ashley`s right on this one–Barton had his chance to sign a 3x year extension in Jan and refused. Now he`s a petulant spoiled kid who wants to ruin it for everyone–If Ash was just about money there would be no free transfer.
    Enrique- overated, 1xdecent season in the fizzy. Poor decision making cost us plenty. Take the money!

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  15. IM FECKING FUMING!!!!!!!!! pardues excuse now in the chronicle is ” joey bartons behaviour this week has got in the way of transfers” !!!!!!!!! what a load of fecking bollix!!!! theyv had 7 month after carroll was sold to look 4 transfers !! i really cant stand pardue!! i said when he first came i will give him a chance – that chance has gone!! LIES LIES LIES!!! why do we have to have the worst owner and manager in the land????

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  16. A Sim 94

    Shall I put it in a really big font and have some funny pics to help you?

    I suppose it depends if you’re interested in hearing others views, or whether you’re just incapable of reading to line three..

    You… don’t… strike…. me….. as…. someone….. like….. that….

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  17. What if the crowd tomorrow chant “get out of our club” does anyone think Ashley will take the hump and say ****** that lot I am no spending any money on the team and thats our lot for the season

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  18. well done.u are so lucky…i wish i could write like u…did u go 2 oxford…please teach me more..

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  19. CT 95

    Don’t worrry about me man, I’m very calm. It’s a lovely sunny day and the weekend is upon us. Don’t mistake my words as a rant!

    Barton was voted player of the season by the fans, and whether he was yours or not, that’s still a good gauge of his contribution over the season.

    And just how is Barton a disruptive influence to everyone all of a sudden? He’s questioned the ambition of the owner, and rightly so in my opinion, and now it’s become a stand off between the two, which is ridiculous. It should all have been handled a lot better.

    Err, Barton didn’t refuse to sign a 3 year extension. They club refused to offer him a new contract, even though he was prepared to take a wage cut.

    It seems you’ve bought the spin. He doesn’t even want more money and has gone on record himself saying so.

    Enrique overrated? He’s potentially the best left back I’ve seen play for us, and his form dipped at the time Pardew came in. He said he as massively disappointed in the appointment and it became clear to him that the cklub did indeed have no ambition.

    It’s funny how that never gets mentioned. I hope he goes onto somewhere with ambition and has an absolute storming career, whilst we sit there looking at his replacement wondering what if.

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  20. A Sim

    Why you on forum with lots of words.

    You get headache read it all.

    You go lie down

    Play nintendo instead.

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  21. Toby le Rhone
    August 5, 2011 at 13:08

    What if the crowd tomorrow chant “get out of our club” does anyone think Ashley will take the hump and say ****** that lot I am no spending any money on the team and thats our lot for the season…….

    if you e-mail alan brazil @ talksport i’m sure he’ll put you in the picture on that one.

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  22. people dont read your ****…u hit the nail on the head..why u still on the blog..people get bored after 2 lines…why so boring…dont u go out..no girlfriend or do u like boys…must be something wrong with u…

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  23. ML– since it`s obvious you don`t understand commerce and you are tripping on every pearl of wisdom coming from Barton, Here`s one just for you,
    ” You can please some of the people all of the time,
    You can please all of the people some of the time,
    But you cannot please all of the people ALL of the time” Abe Lincoln said that!
    “That`s Showbiz”–I said that 😆

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  24. Its okay lads. Ashley is a good owner and respects the fans of NUFC, its history and traditions, the city and the people. He is willing ti invest to make us into a successful club. And Alan Pardew is a great manager with a really good cv, one good enough to manage a great club such as ours.

    PEOPLE OF NEWCASTLE REJOICE!!!!!

    bloody hell – these guys are on another planet

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  25. I think Alan Pardew is caught somewhere between a rock and a hard place. Mike Ashley is the rock who ain’t budging from his financial grip position and the hard place is the expectancy of the fans. Given that unenviable position I think he has done well, especially since he was replacing a very popular manager who most people, in and out of NUFC, felt should have been given a decent contract, not the axe.

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  26. agree @111. Pardew’s stuck in the middle here. Unfortunately for him, based on the club’s media policy, he is the only spokesman for the club. So he bears the brunt of it for decisions that aren’t his own.

    Not to continue to beat a dead horse, but things would be better if they replaced Llambiase with a football business man with some communication skills.

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  27. A Sim

    How u no i rite **** if u no read?

    u mind reader?

    sum people with brain reply to my post

    no 1 reply to ur post

    u ronery oh so ronery?

    u want know if i like little boy?

    why u say this?

    u rike little boy 2?

    what your favourite little boy?

    u rike bronde or dark hair little boy?

    we shud hang out u r cool

    i rike u u clever

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  28. 111 & 112

    I’ve not much sympathy with Pardew as he’s got into this knowing full well what the crack was. He isn’t friends with Llambias for nothing.

    Also, he’s let himself become the mouthpiece for their lies, as at no point during his time here has he ever questioned the massive sea change.

    If I was manager of a club and was told I had £35million to spend, then was told to spin the lie by saying things like “Free transfers are expensive” it wouldn’t take a lot to work out something was wrong.

    I’d be very uncomfortable doing it, as I know I’d be lying on their behalf, plus I wouldn’t be able to do my job properly.If he had an ounce of integrity he would walk. Nobody with any could work with them.

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  29. Also, he’s let himself become the mouthpiece for their lies, as at no point during his time here has he ever questioned the massive sea change
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    So what was CH then with his promises about transfers coming that never happended? Was he a liar as well, or was he just lied to?

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  30. Michael how do you know Pardew was told to lie by the board? Any proof of this?
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    Of course not. By the way- 113 might be the most nonsensical post ever made on this blog. I thought I was reading comments on ed’s there for a second.

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  31. Joey7Barton Joseph Barton
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    @JPSPENCER1980 cant get there mate, game tomorr………….eh…..sorry not involved. Might do!

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  32. Johno

    He told us the £35million was to be spent on transfers, which is a decision made by the owner.

    Then he changes his story, and starts telling us free transfers are expensive.

    Now, he’s either incredibly dense, and believes that £35million would be swallowed up by 3 free transfers, or he’s been told to say that. Seeing as he’s not the club accountant, it’s unlikely he made the decision to say they were expensive, therefore he’s been told to say that line.

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  33. @Michael, would you rather he came out and said “Fatty won’t fork over the cash!”?

    Don’t be daft, there’s always going to be sugar-coating for the sake of someone. If he criticises MA, he’ll find himself without a job and we’ll be stuck with JokeInHere again.

    In the same way that there’s always sugar coating when managers say they want “one, maybe two” more players. Can you imagine what team morale would be like if a coach came out and said “need me a whole new team, these boys are donkeys!”?

    The trick is to accept some lies, but to understand why they’re made.

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  34. They don’t have to have said “THIS IS A LIE” to him for him to work out it’s a lie surely?

    He’s either stupid enough to think 3 free transfers costs £35million OR he knows he is telling a lie.

    He doesn’t need to have been specifically told it’s a lie.

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  35. Maybe im wrong here but I dont remember anyone from the club coming out and saying we have spent the 35 million in full. What I do remember Pardew coming and sayign he knows exactley what has been spent and on what and how much is left. And explaining that free transfer cost more than people think and they are not free due to signing on fee’s and agent fees. I could be wrong.

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  36. Blip, I’m well aware that manager’s and representatives of clubs need to act professionally and with diplomacy, and cannot simply say everything that was said behind closed doors.

    However, to suggest that lying about the £35million was simply sugar coating it is pushing it to the extreme.

    If he was 8 years old and didn’t realise the basics of finance, I could understand how he wouldn’t pick up on this, and would say what he’s told to say without any clue there’s anything wrong. Do you think he made up the line about free transfers himself?

    Also, he doesn’t need to come right out and criticise Mike Ashley does he? But he can leave the ball in his court, as he and Llambias are the ones making these key decisions.

    It’s glaringly obvious that he has no say in any of this, and that there is no real plan. it wouldn’t surprise me if all the transfer deals are done through Carr.

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  37. No they didn’t say they’d spent all £35million, but they tried to spin their way towards showing that they’d spent heavily by mentioning agents and signing on fees, as being expenmsive.

    Hang on, are these new fees now? Didn’t we have to pay agents fees for every other transfer, and siging on fees for the Campbell and Kuqi transfers?

    After the frees Pardew was quoted as saynig one more player was coming in. Ok, so this player is either going to be a club record signing OR we have been absolutely screwed by agents and signing on fees – something Mike Ashley himself said would not happen. They can’t have it both ways.

    You seriously think Pardew knows how much is left and what can be spent?
    He has no idea from one day to the next who is leaving and who is going. If he doesn’t know this how can he possibly know what he can spend?

    What is spent has nothing to do with him anyway. He’s just a bloke in a tracksuit.

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  38. Michael Laudrup
    August 5, 2011 at 14:09 (Edit)

    A Sim

    How u no i rite **** if u no read?

    u mind reader?

    sum people with brain reply to my post

    no 1 reply to ur post

    u ronery oh so ronery?

    u want know if i like little boy?

    why u say this?

    u rike little boy 2?

    what your favourite little boy?

    u rike bronde or dark hair little boy?

    we shud hang out u r cool

    i rike u u clever

    ____________________________________________________

    Cut that **** out! Now.

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  39. Michael L so what is your solution to the problem ?
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    Probably a protest with a big “Ashley Out” banner waving in the parking lot

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  40. In relation to agent fees and signing on fees for bosman players I would imagine it goes from deal to deal. I remember reading about Sol Campbell when he went to spurs to arsenal. Arsenal broke their wage structure to sign him. When his contract expired and they went to negotiote a new deal arsenal wouldnt give him what he was on again. They basically said if they signed him off spurs they would of had to pay a transfer fee. But becasue of there been no fee , what they would of spent on the transfer fee more or less went to Campbell in terms of a signing on fee and wages from what I remember reading. Granted this was some time ago and my memory is not the best and Im way too lazy to try find this article to back up my point since I read about that deal its the way I always looked at bosman signings

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  41. Big Dave- wanted to ask you, what’s up with the irish media having a go at Darren Clarke about partying too much? They mentioned in on the golf coverage here yesterday and I hadn’t heard about it.

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  42. Toonsy 129 – He got what he deserved!

    130 – Blimey, short of having a magic wand there’s no easy fix to all this.
    Ultimately my solution is for Ashley to sell up and for somebody with even half a brain to buy us. So that would be my end game.

    Somehow I’d like those in denial to wake up to what he’s doing, and that you cannot run a club like this. There are certain things which can be done to speed up his departure though. I’d like to see Pardew go, as his continued presence has been papering over the massive cracks all year.

    It would cause even more chaos, but we need to rock the boat so much so, that Ashley is tipped out of it.

    131 Very good MDS.

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  43. MDS 😆 Big DC the party animal a few of the tv channels and certain papers were a bit pissed because he wouldn’t do interviews for them because they had abused him in the past mostly saying that dateing another woman over a year after his Lass died was a disgrace and showed what type of man he was.
    Its was just sour grapes from them 😀
    Batty fuk you and get back to your pottery class 😆

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  44. Dave- I figured it was media ****. Always liked DC. I figure if you can’t enjoy a months worth of pints after fulfilling your life long dream when can ya? 😉

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  45. Apparently he’s the one that decides who deserves what kind of abuse on this blog. Gee, and I thought it was Toonsy! 😯

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  46. I don’t make that decision Susan, but A Sim did start with the bizarre comments on 107, so I felt justified in putting him in his place.

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  47. CT 108

    What basics of commerce don’t I understand then?

    And as for Barton’s pearls of wisdom’s, what is it to me? Just because I have a certain opinion on this whole twitter situation doesn’t mean I agree with everything he says. Sometimes he tries too hard on the old twitter. It was probably a bad move him signing up for it, though it has given us an interesting insight into what some of the players feel.

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  48. ‘putting him in his place’ with a skewed, pseudo-oriental tirade? Even your thinly-veiled racism is misplaced, how is Asim a name that you associate with Indochina anyway? Congratulations on being the bigger man.

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  49. Shiloh 144

    Thanks for being my daddy too, but I’m quite capable of making my own mind up.

    Do you consider this to be pushing it too far?

    107 “people dont read your ****…u hit the nail on the head..why u still on the blog..people get bored after 2 lines…why so boring…dont u go out..no girlfriend or do u like boys…must be something wrong with u…”

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  50. @145. I think the point is that this isn’t the blog for that nonsense. There is another where it appears to be tolerated.

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  51. ML spot on there m8 @ 145 you have too fight your corner when a ***** attacks you ,but some people think you just have too stand there and take it like a lot of toon fans are doing with MA 😉

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  52. Devonmag – what’s racist about what I posted?

    I have no idea what race A Sim is, nor do I really care. It’s not important to me. My wording was ‘Engrish’ a well known comedic slant on the vageuries of translation between very different styles of language. It just happens to be oriental, but it could be anywhere in the world. Go and check their site out – it’s funny.

    Tirade?? You think I typed that out with some sort of anger behind it all?! I was having a slight dig at him for sure, just like he has been having a dig at me all along, but in the main it was a piece of fun.

    I don’t take any of it to heart.. This is the internet right?

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