Why is Demba Ba not getting his chance?

Demba needs a chance.
Our last two games against Fulham and QPR have left me puzzled with the strike pairing before the game has even kicked off.

Firstly I wasn’t expecting two strikers to be played in both games, but also the combinations weren’t something I wanted, or expected.

I was in the Newcastle Arms before the Fulham game when I overheard someone say that we were starting with Peter Lovenkrands and Leon Best, and I was instantly frustrated. Before anybody moans, there is nothing wrong with Best. If we were to play two strikers one would definitely be Best for me, but Lovenkrands, I’d rather have Toonsy play and he couldn’t run a bath.

Peter Lovenkrands was a good player for us in the Championship, but that is certainly his level, maybe lower now he’s a couple of years older. He runs around avoiding the ball, and if he ever does come near the ball he will instantly lose it, or get muscled out.

As I suspected, Lovenkrands was as much use as a chocolate fireguard against Fulham and was substituted around the hour mark after contributing nothing. Demba Ba then came on and did more than him in in half the time. Ba won headers and he put himself about.



He also seemed to want the ball more, and didn’t shy away from it. Ba created Leon Best’s goal, it was more luck than judgement I think, but he controlled the ball well and had to be there.

I know some will say that Ba had a poor game against Scunthorpe, but we never really played the ball along the deck that game. We just fired it in the air, and I think if we were to play Ba he’ll link up with the midfield and stretch the opposition defence more. Also something to note is that Ba has had a poor pre-season due to Ramadan, and he’ll be fully fit now.

It just really frustrates me. I know some people like Shola Ameobi but when I saw he was starting against QPR in front of Demba I wasn’t inspired at all. Yes, Shola can do a job, but not away from home in my opinion. He has very little movement and rarely wins a header, he puts the effort in, but he constantly leans on the defender and gives away a free kick.

Shola did very little against QPR without much service I may add, but he never looked like he would score. At least Best had a bit of something about of him and nearly created something for himself. I know Demba did little when he came on, but he did link up the play better when we had the ball and won some free kicks.

I think that and Demba’s superior Premier League goal ratio and his better link up play mean he should get a chance at Villa. He’s not had a full game to showcase his talent yet at Newcastle and I think after his first goal we will really see the best of Demba Ba. It just makes me wonder, why isn’t he getting a chance?

Is it because he’s doing something wrong in training? Who knows. But when Ba signed for Newcastle he said he’d do everything he could to score goals for the club and to make the fans like him. Hopefully he’s given the chance to make himself a hero in the next few weeks.

Come on Pardew, give him a chance!

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46 thoughts on “Why is Demba Ba not getting his chance?

  1. I agree with you give BA a chance and lets hope he is given the chances Shola Ameobi has been given over many years ! if you ever want Pictures of Shola Ameobi one would do ! Sitting on his backside with both arms waving and shaking his head not bad on the wages he is on Please no more Shola Ameobi

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  2. Its pointless playing Ameobi away from home. He is too ineffectual and can’t make things stick when the ball comes to him. He also doesn’t create room which gives the rest of the team no options. Keep him for home games.

    As for Ba his record speaks for itself. If we can get him firing we’llhave a goalscorer.

    And I didn’t miss your comment in the article jobey. Im just ignoring it until I decide to rip you to bits 😛

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  3. When Shola is off form he is horrible to watch, his rare good performances are now even fewer and far between, its time to stop playing players on reputation alone, his brother has a burst of pace and exuberance about him, give me a goal threat to a so called big name player any day.
    Sames as Jonas and Obertan, drop them to the bench and play Marveaux and Ferguson, might be the kick up the arse they need and at least they would give the middle 2 a hand.

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  4. Don’t want to stir up religious argument … but if I was to fast for a month and not be able to do my job properly because my blood sugar and energy levels were low. I’d be told to stop my fast or face disciplinary procedures which could lead to sacking.

    These players are on xxK’s a week!
    Are we to expect Tiote, Ba and HBA to be out for a whole month every year? I guess that’s a yes. Wonderful.

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  5. BA for me needs to start i think like the rest of the lads if we get him firing he will score goalssss… give the lad a run at least loverman has done a job and i thank him but its time for him to warm the bench at most !!!

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  6. not meaning to be picky but geoff footballers dont have a job like me and u… 1 you wouldnt be told wat to eat or drink or be fined if you were not at work… 2 you dont get 4 weeks off a year that you take off when you like i dont think your argument stands mate

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  7. Ba’s ball control isn’t the best, he scores by running onto through balls and balls over the top, that’s when he’s at his best. I don’t believe this ramadan excuse but if it’s true it has affected the peformances of Ba and Tiote then they shouldn’t have been considered for the squad never mind the team and shouldn’t have been paid either!

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  8. Geoff……It shouldn’t really cause an argument mate, it should be the same if a Christian player wouldn’t play on a Sunday why should they get paid if the team is playing that day?

    As I said “if” they did fast in Ramadan surely the club medical staff have ok’d them to play? and if not they shouldn’t have been near the first team and didn’t I read that people in physical jobs could eat during the day?
    It just seems like an excuse to me, Tiote just hasn’t found his form yet due to lack of a pre season and Ba just needs a run in the team imo.

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  9. @icepup

    Really wasn’t really making an argument one way or the other.
    I just don’t understand how professional athletes can starve themselves to the point that they can’t perform their jobs and think that it is okay to do so.

    But then I don’t get the kneeling down in and praying to invisible Gods bit either …

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  10. Simple answer to the post is, Ba has been unfit since he came. The games in which he has come on, he’s done nothing more than Strola he has looked slow and cumbersome. Maybe he has needed some intensive training as Pardew puts it. We should start with him today away from home, see how it goes then after 60-70 minutes bring on young Sammy if things need livening up.

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  11. This is also why…“Can I make it to 20 goals? That’s the big question. I hope I can. With no new strikers brought in, now I’ve been scoring, people might be looking at me thinking I should be doing just that.”

    “It’s down to me and the other strikers now. There’s no 15 or 20 goal striker come in on deadline day, so it’s up to us.”  “I believe this league is better for me. “

    “I love every minute of playing in it and I truly believe I’m a Premier League player, even though I’m still trying to prove myself.”

    You’ve got to love this bloke I for one would love to see him get 15-20 goals, c’mon Besty

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  12. I find all these jokes about Adele being ‘obese’ horrible…..

    Don’t you think she has enough on her plate? 😀

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  13. Why persist with 2 target men up front when most of the better teams dont even play with 1?
    Even Liverpool have dropped Carroll, quicker possession football is the way forward and our tactics ( or lack of) are not conducive to that and it needs to change as we are hanging on by the skin of our knacker sack and will be found out sooner than later.

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  14. [email protected]. mate..ramadan finished last month ffs lol.. 29th August. And all that aside, they dont fast anyway.. they gorge and binge eat in the hours of darkness and foodconsuption more than doubles in saudi during the so called fasting month.. thats some fast!!
    The simple fact is, with the excception of Cabaye nad maybe MArv.. we have dragged in a bunch of freebies and crocks cos they were cheap. Thats the bottom line for me.. I do like cabaye though.

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  15. Edin Dzeko was fasting for Ramadan.

    He hasn’t done too shabbily.

    I think its a convenient excuse in all honesty. I think its just a lack of sharpness and fitness that is the cause of Ba not getting in on the action. Shame really as he needs games to do that. Him not being really played in pre-season hasn’t helped him.

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  16. JJ….we have a serious scoring issue.. three goals so far is piss poor and its our defence that has done brilliantly. Its was even the defence that scored 1 of the goals ffs.. On these stats what it says is if a team scores just one goal against us it is enough for draw at worst bubt prob a win. That is not a good thought.

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  17. Ba’s record was good for west ham so i cant work out why we dont play him. perhaps he is on a pay as you play deal and AP has been told to not play him very much, seriously, that would not suprise me in the least. I recall shearer went 8 games without a goal for us once.. did we drop him, nope we didnt, you need to have faith in your best strikers and keep putting them in, scoring goals is bred through confidence and if you dont score cos you are not playing it effects them mentally morethan any other player. AP needs to once again grow a set of nads and dump stroller on bench and put in Ba or Best as first choice. It seems hard to justify wanting a second striker when you dont play the one you did get in the last window but perfer to use what you had the season before.

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  18. Chisolm is bang on re the fasting as per.

    The fact is, Pardew must literally stick the names in a hat, do any of our forwards inspire you at all? I know how I feel, nobody jumps out and Ba is included. For the first time in ages, I’m not as desperate to find a link for the game, that’s quite depressing for me.

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  19. @geoff777 @7

    good point m8, ppl fasting should take a hit on their wages during ramadan. Just like Nolan would have if his pay-related wages were in effect.

    I cant imaging what the Iran, Iraq etc etc leagues are like during Ramadan, must be like dawn of the dead with players flaking about everywhere.

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  20. Lover was on th radio this morning saying ppl should stop talking about getting a new forward as we have 6 at the club anyway, he reckons we should concentrate on what we already have. but he would say that tho, whouldnt he..

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  21. i think best is ok and is our best option. he is strong and seems like a more traditional striker to me, i like him and his work rate. i would sell stroller, ranger, loven and unless he starts getting something out of Ba then he would be gone too as whats the point in keeping him. Maybe Ba was forced on AP and he dint want him and is making a point in not playing him on purpose. In the absence of any real sttrike force though we will have to play to our other strengths and that means 4-4-1-1 i would hope. Who woudl you rather have, gosling in the hole or stroller/loven up front?

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  22. Never going to happen though re pay cuts through Ramadan. End of tge day footballers have the same rights as us when it comes to things like that. I assume people would be happy if Christmas Day list its Bank holiday status meaning that people didn’t get paid for it? I realise some don’t get paid anyway but its the same kind of thing.

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  23. @29… i presume that loven is thick as pig shit then cos out of six strikers they have scored the sum total of fuk all. even last season was no different, our goals came from nolan and anywhere but up front as a general rule.

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  24. toonsy.. has ba even said if he was fasting? its a fact that Ramadan has many dispensations in it to allow to eat during the day. for instance, its allowed to eat in daylight if you are travellign etc. It would not suprise me if its acceptable to eat if you are a sports person.
    As a matter of a fact, as i am in saudi right now i will pop out and ask one the answer to this question.

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  25. Did I misread that by the way? Since when didn’t footballers get time off either by the way? What about the end of season breaks and they have days off etc all the time? Wouldn’t know a hard day’s graft if it kicked them in the bollocks. I’ll swap my job everyday of the week.

    Jesus…

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  26. Fasting has obviously had an effect, he looked slow and well off the pace. Tiote too actually. We cannot compare Dzeko as he may just have a better natural fitness.

    It must have an effect.

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  27. Also I’d play Ferguson at left back today. We’re absolutely desperate for an attacking option and we looked about as likely to score as the Elephant man at QPR.

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  28. If Ba and Tiote have been Fasting then it would explain a questions over their form, fitness, even Tiote looks like he’s carrying a bit of extra timber.

    Here’s a thought off topic, Who is better as a lone striker if Ba isn’t ready, Shola or Best? I think Best is a better striker but maybe Shola is better on his own than Best is? Shola did well against the mackems but I seem to remember Best started on his own in the epic against Arsenal. Hmmmm……

    However, we should surely have a better team if some of the lads get upto full-speed.

    Did any-one see CaulkinTheTimes posted that Demba Ba may start today? I hope the Independant journo’s chat less shit than others!

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  29. I can’t see how fasting doesn’t have an effect. They can have pre match meals for energy etc. Just a thought.

    I really hope gosling/marveux comes in to link the midfield and best/ba in a 4-5-1/4-2-3-1 formation.

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  30. Best – Has done enough to deserve a run in the team. I’m extremely impressed with his mental approach. He has broad shoulders, and shows the right attitude. Pards needs to boost his confidence and big him up. I’d like to see him get the no.9 shirt. Far less deserving players have worn it over the years.
    Ba – Deserves a crack, only because Shola and Loverboy have had theirs in spades and failed to set the world alight.
    Loverboy – Does a half-decent job.
    Shola – Has the physical presence that Loverboy and Sammy haven’t. However, it excuses too many of his other inadequacies.
    Sammy – He’s too light weight. The kid on the photo tour was even struck by how skinny his legs were. He needs a physique like Ranger’s.
    Do we need any forwards anyway? Where is football going when we’re now talking about 4-5-1? If the trend continues, we’ll end up with 5-5. I remember when I started, it was 2-3-5, with fullbacks, half backs, a centre back, wingers, inside forwards and a centre forward. The game was full of entertaining, skillful, flare players.

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  31. From my memory of employment law, it would be possible to make a case not to employ someone whose religious beliefs prevents them from undertaking essential work, however if they are employed despite knowing that, you don’t have a leg to stand on.

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  32. shola “he puts the effort in” DOES HE????? Ba imo has looked sharper than anyone in the pittance of time he’s had on the field. Really hope he gets some time today to prove himself.

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  33. Re todays line-up can’t see AP changing the personell, just the tactics.

    Bringing Jonas back onto the left side of a three man central midfield would make sense, but don’t see how to use Ameobi, Best and Obertan in any meaningful way. Maybe if he swapped Obertan for Gosling he could play a central midfield of Cabaye, Tiote & Gosling and then use Jonas in the hole behind Strolla & Best. But that seems more like a home team than an away strategy.

    Looking at our next three aways, Villa, Wolves & Stoke then 2 claean sheets and 2 points would be good. Don’t know which ones though

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