Up for the cup?
The first thing that Pardew must do is guide the team to a top half Premier League finish. The second, a rarity at Newcastle, is to have a fairly decent cup run.
How realistic are these challenges? Do we have a squad capable of competing on all fronts? In my humble opinion I feel we have enough to get a top ten place especially as we were minutes away from it last season. However a decent cup run is never easy as we all know and don’t really need reminding of. Ahem, Stevenage. Sorry!
To have a decent cup run you need a decent squad and a decent balance between the squad so that you can shuffle the team but still keep the same brand of football and team spirit and commitment that would be needed, say, in a Premier League game.
This got me thinking; we are involved in the Premier League, FA Cup and still in the Carling Cup this year. Normally that is the order of importance to most top flight clubs. But do we have the squad to compete in all of them?
Now this is where I was interested to see how ‘deep’ our squad is and the results are actually quite surprising.
I have split the squad into three teams; one each for the Premier League, FA Cup and Carling Cup. I know that these teams will chop and change and it is likely we will use 25 players for the three teams, but I wanted to highlight that, if needed, we could call upon lesser experienced ones. The 4-4-2 formation seems to be prevalent at the moment so I’ve stuck with that for the time being.
Premier League: Tim Krul, Danny Simpson, Fabricio Colocinni, Steven Taylor, Davide Santon, Gabriel Obertan, Cheik Tiote, Yohan Cabaye, Jonas Gutierrez, Hatem Ben Arfa, Demba Ba
FA Cup: Steve Harper, Tamas Kadar, Mike Williamson, James Perch, Ryan Taylor, Sylvain Marveux, Dan Gosling, Danny Guthrie, Shane Ferguson, Leon Best, Shola Ameobi
Carling Cup: Rob Elliott, James Tavenier, Steven Folan, Tamas Kadar, Paul Dummett, Peter Lovenkrands, Haris Vuckic, Mehdi Abeid, Michael Richardson, Sammy Ameobi, Nile Ranger
Food for thought isn’t it? This is without loanees such as Kazenga LuaLua and Fraser Forster, but generally I feel that this is the best 33 in the club. As you can tell the Carling Cup team will probably not get to far and arguably the FA Cup side would struggle against tougher opposition but, this made me realise that we have a squad packed not only full of promise but youth and talent. I have even left out a full Faroe Islands international and an England u-19 international. Exciting times surely?
Back to whether we can really challenge for a cup… We will no doubt mix and match the Premier League team and FA Cup team together and I honestly feel that our best chance of silverware is the Carling Cup. If Birmingham can do it then why can’t we? We have the depth of squad to compete in the FA Cup at the moment but once injuries strike we may find it harder and harder especially as the bigger teams seem to want to win the FA Cup more than ever.
If we managed to achieve a Carling Cup trophy and finish 10th that would be a very good season indeed. We have to be realistic in our attempts this season but looking at the way we can potentially play there is no doubt that a Carling Cup challenge is viable one. FA Cup perhaps not so much, but we could always reach the quarters or semis and with a bit of luck, who knows?
As ever we are full of hope but for the first time I actually feel we will take the chance to get silverware seriously and there is no reason why it should be beyond our reach.
What do you think?
Thanks to Liam Southern Toon for sending this in for us to discuss.
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I think we should go for PREM first of course then league cup and then FA cup last. Simply cos the big guns will put more importance on the FA than the league cup. They will all put more imprtance on the PREM. I place manchesters x 2, chelski, spurs and liverpool pretty much above us. Arse are a joke this season. Out of them teams, they will all be pushing hard on other fronts and will blood in youngsters and fringe players for the league cup. Of course fringe at man utd means Owens, carricks etc so still alot of quality. Its a realistic shot though and i think its not out of reach for us. Look at the shite that win it sometimes, BRUM, Middlesboro etc… fuking crap. Why cant we win it? All the teams i havent mentioned are no better than us, anything is possible.
I think you said it all at the end. Every player or manager (excluding those with the biggest of egos) will tell you that to win any knockout competition you need a bit of luck along the way. Personally i won’t get too excited until we get a home draw in the quarters or into a semi, too much can go wrong in the meantime, by fault or bad luck.
I don’t think that to say we are competing in the three competitions is a bit misleading as unless we get to the semi’s of the CC (I think), it doesn’t overlap with the FA Cup at all. So if you had one cup teams falling down with cramp i dont think theyd get too much pity
A good article and I definitely hold a little hope with players like gosling marveaux etc who can come in to rest players without reducing the quality in the team. Won’t get ahead of myself just yet though
For tomorrow: Elliot, Perch, S.Taylor, Coloccini (C), Ferguson, Guthrie, Abeid, Obertan, Gosling, Marveaux, Ba
Bench: Harper, R.Taylor, Kadar, Sammy, Smith, Lovenkrands, Ben Arfa
Good enough to get through, and give a few fringe players a game
Really positive points on the squad size. I really hope we dont put many first teamers out having seen Birmingham go down last year.
Also whilst i dont agree with many of Jobey’s player ratings for last game, he is right, the booing of Given was disgusting and I cant believe we havent made more of an issue of it since the game.
He was a servant to the club, turned down Arsenal numerous times and finally left when he saw the last chance in his career to achieve something. We had Joe Kinnear in charge, I cant blame him
Compare this to the “there’s only one Joey Barton” chants. Some fans are seriously retarded. Oh yeah, Joey “tells it like it is”. yeah he claims that the board has no ambition and moves to QPR. Jay Bothroyd or Ba? Santon or Anton Ferdinand?
toonsy.. i would put our best squad out for the league cup instead of FA. I know that may sound like its stupid but i think there lies our best shot. The FA is still a big one and as the cup draws on… the teams will be at full strength to win it and the big hitters will come in.
Liam spot on mate success breeds success so we should be aiming to win every game that we play in.
I strongly believe that we have a decent chance of a good cup run, and there is nowt better as a supporter to have the thrill of a cup competition.
http://viewfromthemainstand.blogspot.com/2011/09/away-day-preview-5-newcastle-united.html Away preview on a Nottingham Forest site. Take a look
Solano do you really think that Brum went down because of the cup ?
As for your “there’s only one Joey Barton” chants. Some fans are seriously retarded. why’s that ????
Solano.. i am not so sure about given in my honest opinion. He was a loud voice in the dressing room and he did lie to us fans as it came out that he had been trying to engineer a move away from us for over a year. Also, i cant forget that every time he went out with injury, harps came in and did just as well if the truth be told but as soon as given was fit he gobbed off that instant saying play me or else blah blah. i dont think he should have been booed but at the end of the day, he aint all roses either.. he was one of the rat brigade the deserted a sinking ship and i am sure he would not have stuck with us in the CCC, christ, he didnt want to stick with us in the PREM even before relegation. All this loyal servant stuff too… he wasnt doing it for free was he? he was a very highly paid member of our team and was paid millions every year.
I think it’s fair to say that our cup squads will have a mix of the Prem squad. And like dubtoon said, the FA and Carling cups don’t really overlap much unless we’re in the top stage of the carling cup, in which case I would say put out the better side if we’re that far along!
To be honest, Given was great while he was here, but imo he’s no better than the other rats who deserted the sinking ship. Did he turn down Arsenal? Newcastle would have had to have accepted a bid and given him permission to talk to them for that to be the case and I can’t remember that happening(apologies if wrong), also when he left was the second time he’d put in transfer request while at the toon after he’d chucked a hissy fit when Harper replaced him in goal. At the end of the day though, he no longer plays for for us so I’m not bothered whether some boo him or not, that’s what happens in football when you play ex clubs.
Dave I agree a cup run only boosts confidence and if players like marveux and gosling dont start in premier yet have a great time in the cups when they are called on in premier they will be fit ready and buzzing.
Let’s get past Forest first, if we do that and get a home draw we can do well in this cup – def best chance of winning something
A lot depends on luck of the draw in cups, even in FA cup we’ve had Portsmouth, millwall, everton, west ham and Cardiff etc in finals so although big teams take it more seriously it’s possible
i think this could be our year, there no doubt in my mind, about being fit to win the league cup. we have a good squad and a ambitious manager who has said many times that he wants a good cup run. we have a lot of young talented players mad to prove them self’s and break into the first team.
the league cup is not a great competition, but it’s a cup that gets you into europa league, and if newcastle are in europa league next season then i’ll be more than happy.
Richie I agree I cant remember anyone actually bidding for him, just talk about clubs being interested
Madabouttoon, exactly mate! This is a competition that we actually have a shot at winning with our talented midfield depth! Defense isn’t too deep, but there is enough quality there to hold most.
Pardew has made us a very organized side at the back, and now with our attack starting to click into gear, we can punish sides as well. I’ll admit, we haven’t seen that, but the potential is apparent.
I would go all out for the cup, only cause a nice party bus trip down to Wembley would be class
I don’t to put a dampner on things, only a few weeks back a lot of us were saying we weren’t as strong as last. We have started the season really well results wise, without playing well bar Villa.
I do think we can do well in the cups and surprise a few in the league, but let’s keep our feet firmly on the ground for the forceable.
We don’t want The tabloids saying the Geordies once again prove there heads are as empty as a hermits address book.
http://boards.footymad.net/forum.php?tno=386&fid=185&sty=2&act=1&mid=2116318472#p31165175
off the topic a mo,we know monkey heed got the bullet and was pleased,but think it was a bit rough on him when i found out he has been paying the players wages for months,the ground staff wages,even payed the last water bill all out his own pocket,talk aboot being used
Ice what monkey heed ?
Just to let you know guys. i by accident put that article in myname. was archies
Spence Hitman put a pic up earlier mate, I said yonks ago that I thought Steve Wraith was spot on about the sign.
I also said that I think SD will be the shirt sponsors aswell when NR are finished, and I wouldn’t be surprised if one of his Dunlop, Slazenger,Lonsdale,Everlast etc etc become the new kit supplier
DAVE peter reid plymouth manager that was until sunday,come on dave you knew the the song ; peter reid monkey heed
Jobey > Archie’s alternative abbreviated assessment
sort of give it away
Well sorry Dave, only informing you of when I get the information
Ice I didn’t even realise that he was Chairman, I thought he was No2 to someone
Spence dont take that tone with me
Ice @ 20 your pulling my leg about paying players etc
Sorry dad
DAVE you been on the drink or what! he was manager not chairman,how do you think they have been playing so badly
The team can wear Sports Direct caps for me, as long as they’re playing well.
Ice
Spence your alright son
Jobey I know some people dont give a shit, but I do because I would be pretty sure we’ll be losing out on sponsorship money, but if others arn’t fussed thats there choice.
I don’t think we’d have anything there if he didn’t put his there, he might have paid for it, ya never know. Just gotta wait until the accounts come out I guess.
Jobey you going to Forest the morra? ;D
DAVE kna not pulling your leg mate super mac has been telling the storey of reid paying it the lot out his own pocket for months its a fact!,new owners have give him the sack
Spencer – Yep you?
hope theres a good link for the game as i wont get
Nah, couldn’t afford it. Who got you a ticket mate?
I probably would of if I was still in Sheffield but the travel is to much from here!
Ice – It’s not being broadcast anywhere so I’m not hopeful of finding a stream
Toonsy: That’s annoying was hoping I’d be able to catch it online. Just have to keep up to date with the live scores on BBC then
TOONSY can give you the link if you want,its that git risdale that has booted him,hes just bought the club for a quid!
TOONSY sorry was on wrong line of thought there
The answer to the article is No we do not have a good enough squad to win a cup.
Short of cover for the back four
Would be a major surprise if Shola and Loverman were good enough.
Birmingham had a good enough squad to win it last year and relegation .
You don’t need a great squad but a lot of luck.
Spencer- Just gone in the home end
Toonsy @ 40 I wish I knew that or I wouldn’t have took the night off bastads.
Jobey why do you think they have been paying for the naming rights etc, and are you saying that you dont mind that big dopey fuking signs > http://yfrog.com/nzj7haj
Jobe- ah right, have fun holding your joy in when we score
Dave – It’s on BBC 5live Sports extra and the league cup show is on at 10:30 on BBC1. Best I can do
BD – I don’t know, no one knows really. It’s not like other owners don’t do it. Dave Whelan has their ground named after HIM. a bit of poxy advertising doesn’t particularly bother me if we’re performing well.
Spencer – Ahh, Yeah. Oh well. I went in the home end last forest game and when mental at the lino when he disallowed Nolan’s goal. I’ll not be able to contain myself if Ben Arfa gets badly hurt, i’ll be gutted
icedog – monkey heed sold his fa cup losers medal to raise money to pay his staff.
stabbed a few days later. All their problems aren’t his making either.
Think the club will fold soon
Jobey….I take it you don’t know you can buy tickets for the away end direct from the Forest box office?
Damn, just realised I probs won’t be able to catch it. Will have to live with updates from five live
BB how many clubs has that dick ridsdale stuffed up now
Be a housing estate there soon, or shopping centre.
Didn’t kna risdale had bought it for a quid like.
Ya cant trust that fecker.
GREEN ARMY.
Jobey I dont think the JJB stadium had much history etc behind it so IMO it’s slightly different but ah well.
Toonsy I guess that will have to do ffs
Ice where was Ridsdale before Plymouth ?
Dave…..Leeds and Cardiff
ZOE you will have to vid one of your games and get dream boat toonsy to put it on the blog
ICE: haha!!!
Richie I knew he was at Leeds but was wondering where he went after Leeds
Richie – Bollocks. you need a membership though, don’t you?
Jobey….nope fone or in person mate
Tue 20.09.2011 NUFC v Nottingham Forest (a) @ City Ground, 7.45pm. Member sale now, £20 adults, £16 over 65s, £10 U18s, £5 U12s. Allocation: 4,500. Away tickets also on general sale in advance from the Forest Box Office.
DAVE cardiff mate they nearly went tits up,before that barnsley nearly tits up,and we all know the leeds job,theres a bit hear;
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/19092011/58/league-reid-fired-despite-selling-fa-cup-medal-help-club.html
ZOE i wasnt jokeing
ICE: maybe if I can arrange a friendly with Newcastle Women’s as the chairman who I interviewed Phil Eadon was very happy for us to have a friendly at some point.
So maybe then!
He never comes out of it out of pocket.
He’s a millionaire but the players haven’t been payed for 9 months.
There is some new consortium trying to buy the club, but its not easy.
The local council are thinking of buying the ground, just to keep it going.
Cant believe the were in the championship same time as us and gave us a good game at SJP.
Crazy
Aye Ridsdale should be banned from running a football club. How the hell is he “fit and proper”? Even Ashley is better FFS, and that is saying something!
I know he managed the filth, but I actually quite like him. He gave his all to Plymouth and got shat on from a great height. Will ha get his cash back?
ZOE ill look forward to it
ICE it’ll be next year, you’ll be waiting a long time!!! hahaha
Very sad story at Plymouth IMO.
Good interview, Jobey!
Can’t wait for tomorrow, live text it is then…. need to get all our talented young’uns out for a good run around! Agree that a good cup run will have the likes of Gosling, Abeid, Vuckic, Sammy etc pumped and fit and ready for PL appearances when they come. And get Ben Arfa out there, and Marveaux (first-teamer for me)!
Sammy to score tomorrow!
Not a hope Toonsy, there’s much bigger creditors to pay before him.
Trouble is they are in a downward spirral now and when results go against you and you are rooted to the bottom of the league, the buck stops with the gaffer. He must have seen it coming.
richie – awh. ffs.
Susan – You never answered me when I asked for larger pictures of your Yoga thingy?
BB….aye , feel sorry for him but 1 point from 9 games is only gonna end one way unfortunately.
Toonsy they do have to pass a ‘ Fit and Proper criteria ‘ don’t they ?
how da fuk does he pass it, but then with big money there is always away round things.
It will be the same with City etc when the Financial rules come in money talks and shit walks
Jobey….Ya not got any mates who’ll buy yours off you then you can get one in the away end?
” then you can get one in the away end?”…………sounds painful that like
Toonsy @ 74
you dorty perv
TOONSY super mac said it was not a loan so he gets nowt back,it would have gone under and the the fans would have had no club,they were canny fans too shame imo,anyway if he only payed a quid hes not gan give owt,i know he also gets the club depts but he knows how to waggle that bit
It’s all ower the German text that even though Cisse at Freiburg has signed a new 5 year contract and been given a muckle pay rise, he’s still pushing to leave during the January window. His head has obviously been turned. He scored a cracker at the weekend, and has really fast feet, I would have him at the toon…
check your fb inbox toonsy ya cock
MM aye seems a canny player defo got pace to burn,give him a ring mate tell him we are waiting for him
dave will pay you for the call
Munich – i got the impression reading the comments from the chairman or whoever it was at the time that the contract was to keep him sweet until the summer when freiburg will let him go for as much as they can get
Ice…I’ll get in touch mate, but do you reckon Big Dave will part with one of his old sixpences to pay for the call ?
Anyway lads, I’m off to bed. Hope the team plays well tomorrow. I want all the info when I get back.
Night!
Toonsy: Hope you got my email.
Dub….Cisse’s heads been turned, he’ll be outathere come the winter break. Would like to think he’ll come to the toon, cos we were quoted on Jaarman text as being THE club who were persuing him.
Watched him closely at the weekend, and he get’s stuck in, is fast and brave, and tends to score a lot of goals from inside the box….not a moocher though, fast and mobile, would be good for us I reckon…
MM oh hell forgot about that kna he wont part with them,hes still paying batty weekly for the caravan
Nighty night Zoë…
I’m off too night g’night chapitos….
Ice…very weakly too I’ve heard…..
Toonsy…. lol I think the small ones are about right…. but will put a new one up soon!
It’s either yoga pix here, or the yoga blogs getting Dreamboat Cabaye
MM see ya,ime off too
Take it easy MM and Ice
Susan he wants your pic for a screen saver
Susan – It looks painful
Dave – Aye, yeah. Screensaver
Richie- nah. theyve all got tickets, oh well
Can’t believe noone else feels more passionately about Given being booed. He was 32 appearances from being our most played player ever and he’s being called a rat.
He did desert us yes, but so did thousands of ‘supporters’. So did Keegan. So did ‘Ed’.
He saw one last chance in his career to win something and went for it. I actually liked the fact that he wasn’t happy here or at City when he wasn’t being played/ It shows a genuine professional that wants to earn his wage. People call Harper a loyal servant. Tbh he wasted his career sat on the bench, no different to Wright-Phillips imo.
It shows how fickle fans are. Someone can give you 12 years service and be booed. Do we expect every player that joins us to stay till they retire or face our wrath?
He had to put up with shoddy Newcastle defences for decades. Anyone at the game were he decided enough was enough will have seen it in his face at the time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAj28eN1xr0&feature=related
The only keeper to let in 5 goals and stil gett MOTM
Dave, well I wasn’t sending any large ones just in case
Toonsy – it would be painful if you tried it!
Years and years of practice that took.
Susan….years and years of practice……or 12 pints
And agree booing Given is really really poor!!
Night lads…
Richie-
There’s not much that 12 pints won’t cure, is there mate? Haha!
Night, Susan
OH…nope and ifthe 12 doesn’t work try a couple more
What’s the craic this evenin’, bonny lads and lasses?
Susan – I’d not be able to walk again if I tried that
Night
Richie-
Haha, now there’s a positive attitude! Btw- gutted to see the mackems win on the weekend. If them going down meant that we’d not qualify for Europe, I’d be havin’ a “5under1and Got Relegated… Again” party
Richie, rule number one is no yoga after drinking (including showing off in the pub)! Injury city…
Although there is a good email thingy going around of drunks passed out in various positions resembling yoga postures, it’s called ‘Irish yoga’ hahaha (no offense Dave, I didn’t make it up!)
Susan-
I’ve participated in Irish Yoga before. It’s all fun and games until ya hit the deck
Oops, hi O’H, you showed up just in time for my Irish joke
OK really, good night!
Night, Susan!
Susan…..Irish yoga is my speciality….I’m in training now
So i’ve been tryin’ to get wor lass into proper football, and she wasn’t having any of it… until she saw a pic of Steven Taylor. Now she’s obsessed like. I tried to tell her that he’s a bit of a kunt, but hey, if that’s what it takes for her to support the Toon and watch proper footy, then so be it lol!
It’s nice mourinho has given up ballon d or to the legend sir bobby robson for his charity that’s just pure class
Richie-
Been trainin’ for that sport all your life, nee doubt
@solanos trumpet
I’m with you on the Given point .
He still had the talent to win things and it was never going to happen at the Toon.
It just so happens it didn’t work out but that was a justifiable reason to leave IMO .
Liam-
Say what ya will about “The Special One”, but he IS a class act like! I was happy to see him pay homage to Sir Bobby.
OH…..If she’s been with you I doubt tellin her Saylor’s just a “bit” of a cnut is gonna put her off
TroyS9-
It’s true. Given is class. Gutted to hear some fans booing him. He didn’t deserve that at all. He had every right to leave under the circumstances at the time, and besides, I’d take Krul over Shay any day right now. Krul is already a very talented keeper, and he’s SO young comparatively.
Richie-
LMAO! Nice to see that my mates on here still care about me like
The Carling cup squad wouldn’t be good enough to get past the first round!
As for the board tasking the manager to get a top ten finish it’s a joke! We may well achieve it but the board demanding it and giving him 500k to spend to achieve it is nothing less than a disgrace.
The fact weve started well is due to the exceptional coaching from Pardew
Man City could realistically win everything this year with the squad they have. Tevez can’t even get in the team
OH
Moreno…nah, they don’t have enough midfielders apparently
Moreno I’m not so sure … Man city are not a team yet they looked frail against napoli and fulham and their defence is suspect.
They will still turn us over but not sure they will win all
Susan @ 108 no offense taken as im not Irish
OH hows you havn’t seen you on in a while
Liam…..that’s the thing though, City will get better as the players gel…..scary.
Reet…I’m off to do some “Northern Irish” yoga
later lads.
Liam. The squad they have possesses enough quality to fight on all fronts. Plus they will correct any frailties in January no doubt…
have we got the squad to do well in a cup this season??
yes !!! our squad imo is the strongest it has been 4 a long time !!! weve sold good players but have replaced them with cheaper better players!!! cabaye is better than nolan and barton put together lol!!!
cant wait to watch cabaye and benny in the same team , unreal class coming our way!!
look at this bluddy team man
krul
raylor collo taylor santon
gutierez tiote marveaux
benny cabaye
best
cant wait to see that mind!! cabaye and benny together is gna be summit to be seen !!!!
Man City could realistically win everything this year with the squad they have. ———————–
Apparently they are not deep enough…at least according to Mancini:)
Some interesting quotes from Pardew about HBA:
Pardew said: ‘He’s a character. He’s not going to be smooth running. I won’t say he’s high maintenance but he’s not low maintenance and we’re going to have our moments with him. I’m sure he’s going to fall out with me and my staff and my players and we will with him, but along that line we’re hoping to get some great performances and a lot of goals from him.
More here
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2039347/Alan-Pardew-Hatem-Ben-Arfa-worth-hassle-Newcastle.html
Interesting quotes. This one as well: ‘He needs to fit into the work-rate of the side because we’re not so good that we can carry a player.”
Not that this surprising- he’s had the reputation of being tough to handle at every other club he’s played for. Little surprised Pards was so blunt about it though. Still as Pards said he’s likely worth the drama in the end
Yeah those were my thoughts too but surprised he came out and said it. He seems to be as good as any at putting an arm around a player and building them up (might not be HBAs problem) but making him feel wanted will hopefully reduce any tantrums.
Seem to remember Pardew saying he was surprised and impressed with his workrate in preseason so don’t know what to make of that one
Might have to do with him wanting to do his rehab in france again….though the club permitted it
The things that surprised me the most about that daily mail article were that Pardew said that we won’t carry him. So if he’s not putting in the effort, he’s off.
Also at the end, why do Man City have a young striker on loan, who will only be on the bench for a carling cup game??!
Mancini just makes no sense at all now
Mancini would have to be the funniest manager in the world… I nearly choked on my mouth-full of port when I heard his comments on his lack of mid field options… Although it wouldn’t have been so funny if he weren’t deadly serious about it… What a world class wanker….
Good to see all the talk about HBA again though. Might start!
Pardew should be talking HBA down a little me thinks…. Don’t go hyping him up too much… Every fan is already waiting with baited breathe for this fella to return… Let him work his way back into 1st team contention via solid performances, not via an outstanding reputation.
Nice article, without question we have more depth than a lot of peoplw may realise. However, you’ve used Kadar twice.
Possibly because we have few defenders. Bearing in mind we won’t be playing with either 22 men or playing two games at once on the same pitch I don;t see the problem?
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