Marveaux makes his case as Gosling allegedly heads out on loan

Does Marveaux deserve a chance?
Newcastle reserves beat their Bolton counterparts last night to go top of the Premier League Reserve League North.

I’ll let you all calm down after that earth shattering news.

Ready? Ok. The huge plus point from the game against Bolton last night has to be the form of Sylvain Marveaux.

The former Rennes winger bagged himself two goals with Sammy Ameobi bagging the other in a 3-0 victory for the away side, and with Alan Pardew watching on you’d have to think that Sylvain Marveaux is the one player giving the manager a real selection headache at the moment.

Marveaux actually played on the right last night, and it was from the right where his first goal came from after he cut inside and finished with his left foot. His second goal was a close range finish after good work from Shane Ferguson on the left.



Can we read anything into his position? Maybe a different option to Gabriel Obertan perhaps, especially as Jonas Gutierrez seems to be enjoying a fine run of form on the left? Either way, Marveaux can’t really do much more to enforce his case for getting involved in the first team and he has now shown that he has goals aswell as assists in him.

No doubt last night will have been more of a fitness exercise for certain individuals, including the source of our first goal of the evening, Dan Gosling. The former Everton man slipped in a through ball which Sammy Ameobi finished to cap off another decent performance from the Devonian. However he still finds himself struggling to make an impact on the first team which means that he is allegedly available for loan.

I don’t know if he is or isn’t, but it would make sense for Gosling to go somewhere and get games and fitness if he isn’t going to get them here. There is a chance that he will become more involved in January when Cheik Tiote is away on African Nations duty, so it would make sense for Gosling to get fully match fit ready in case he needs to be called upon. Remember, he has been out for a very long time.

Rumour has it that Doncaster are interested in taking Gosling on loan, and to be honest I think a stint in the Championship may do Gosling the world of good. Even if it’s only a month or so, it surely has to be better than playing reserve team football?

Has Marveaux earned a chance in the first team? If so, where would you play him? Would allowing Dan Gosling out on loan be a shrewd move?

As ever, your thoughts please.

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51 thoughts on “Marveaux makes his case as Gosling allegedly heads out on loan

  1. I would welcome giving Gosling a 1-3 months loan at let’s say Doncaster. He would get plenty of competitive action, and would be likely to be fitter and sharper at his return. I’m not exactly sure about the loan rules – aren’t 1-3 months loans the only option at the moment, or are clubs allowed to make deals for 6-rest of the season deals aswell? In any case, I wouldn’t let him leave for more than 3 months …

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  2. I think marveaux has done all he can and hope he gets his chance before he gets disheartened.
    As fr gosling I think it wouldn’t be a bad idea and hope it’s being done (if true) for the right reasons and that he’ll be back after a month or by January at least

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  3. Wasn’t Ben Arfa supposed to play? I wonder what happened to him. 😉

    I hope to see Marveaux play vs Tottenham. Also Santon, also Ben Arfa. I’m pretty sure Pardew won’t make wholesale changes though, let’s see.

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  4. Marveaux I’m getting increasingly exited about! I would really like to see him get more than just the 10 min. runouts he has been limited to so far. If Obertan isn’t playing too well, make the change at an earlier stage. Obertan wasn’t exactly amazing for the entire 90 minutes at Wolves ..

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  5. I think if Marveaux does play it will be on the right. One reason is that he played there last night, but the other one is that I don’t see Santon starting which means we need Jonas on the left to help Raylor out. Irrespective of that, I can’t see Jonas getting dropped anyway. He’s been one of our best performers all season IMO

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  6. A one month loan for Gosling would be a good plan I think. Lets him rebuild his fitness and confidence, and find his match sharpness, then he coms back here and can take Guthrie’s place on the bench.

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  7. Marveaux can stand in for Guti, swap with Obertan when we need a different option for certain games and can also stand in for or compete with Ben Arfa for those games when we play 4-5-1. He looks a very good player and can genuinely push for a regular start in any of the above positions. This should push up the standard of play from our guys as they know somebody is right behind them chomping at the bit to take their shirt.

    Re: Gosling, a months loan is just what he needs.

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  8. I would start Marveaux on the right and use Obertan as an impact sub. I would also have Ben Arfa and Best up front then use Ba as a sub for Arfa if we have to. I think this is probably the best team we have had for years!!!!!

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  9. I would agree with you trying out Marveaux ahead of Obertan, but Scottie, are you serious about dropping Ba? With 4 goals in 2 he hasn’t exactly been underperforming, has he?

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  10. Good read, Toonsy. It still puts a smile on my face everytime I think about us having such a talented player in our ranks – and that we got him for the same amount that we sold Captain “Liverpool TV” Tugboat for .. I am ever so happy that Nolan is no longer around!

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  11. Toonsy @10

    good read.. Cabaye is certainly a top preformer. Not sure about al this dream-boat stuff tho. Are Geordies gannin soft.. Dreamboat??

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  12. @Funkness – Best holds the ball better and Ben Arfa can run onto it. I do agree that Ba has been performing well but with a 4-5-1 (which I think we will play against Spuds) Ba may get more isolated than Best. Just my thoughts!?!?!?
    Hope Santon plays as well!!

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  13. When fully fit I actually think Marveaux is ahead of Obertan in the pecking order. He has more experience and is probably on higher wages. We were lucky to get him on a free due to his injury.

    Obertan may have cost us 3mil but at that price he is by no means guaranteed a place.

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  14. I’m still waiting for Barton to ‘reveal all’.. he’s full of pap. THe 6-0 hammering seemed to pass him by. He’s actually getting worse for QPR every game. so glad we swapped barton/nolan for cabaye/marv/obertan

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  15. I see your point, but personally I think that even if we do play 4-5-1, Pardew will opt to let Ba drop deeper and thereby having him play Ben Arfas role. I think Pardew will start the same team again, and will only make the changes if we are being absolutely hammered or at some point in the 2nd half to get some fresh legs on the pitch.

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  16. If Mike Ashley is the villain for many for every bad decision – do they now accept he has turned the club around quite brilliantly.

    If we continue to make this progress I’d like to think we can establish ourselves as a top 6 team.

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  17. very interesting to hear that Toonsy – after last night Marveaux must be banging on the door, never mind knocking!

    I also agree that sending Gosling out on loan is a cracking idea for all concerned – we want him to be match-fit, confident and ready in January to help cover for the temporary loss of Tiote

    FUNKNESS – spot on, if Ba and Best are fit they start – with Ba playing deeper and linking play

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  18. Stardust – at the moment it all looks good. However, Ashley has a real opportunity to push us on now. If he does not sell off Tiote, Cabeye, etc and actually adds another couple of decent players to the squad over the next couple of windows then yes, I for one will admit he has turned it aroud and done a good job. As it stands, I think the recruitment on a small budget is more a reflection of the hard work put in by Carr and Pards and could quite easily be a case of ‘falling on your feet’ for Ashley after selling off our best players.

    I’m open minded though and hoping he seizes this chance to push us on…

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  19. Nope would really hope gosling does not go on loan. Better than abeid and guthrie in my book and therefore even with vuckic there aswell should be playing im afraid in case cabaye or tiote gets injured.

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  20. Shamrock

    Its just I feel he is villified for wrongdoings (not that I think he has done anything really wrong – I would have made most of the decisions he did giving timing and circumstance) and the good he has done is referenced as luck.

    It shows an inconsistent thought process that can only be biased.

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  21. You could well be right Stardust. No doubt he has saved us from financial hardship in he long term, I just feel the way he has done it with our playing assets has been a bit risky and he has got lucky. There will naturally have been a lot of opposition to what he was doing from the outset too, as he was not up front about his plans for us and the fans will have expected investment in the playing staff as soon as a billionaire walked throught he doors. I think he has to understand that his lack od communication skills is a big factor in the lack of understanding he got from fans. Very early on he said he was aiming for the top 4 in 5 years and took Keegan back. We thought; ‘Wow, this guy is taking us places.’ Next thing you know he lost us Keegan and trawled through amanger after manager getting us relegated in the meantime.

    It takes time to heal the hurt from that kind of let down, but I do feel he is definately pulling us in the right direction now in a sustainable way and the fans are coming around to him. He just needs to continue to be up front and not let this chance pass him by…

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  22. LIAM – I’m sure any loan deal would include a ‘recall option’ thus giving NUFC the chance to bring him back in the event of injuries. He needs games to improve his fitness, his confidence and for his general development as a player. He’s not going to get them with us at the moment so… the question is – Would Gosling be better off playing reserve team football or Championship football?

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  23. Shamrock

    I agree the whole mistrust comes from the Keegan debacle. Many say he was wrong for bringing him back – I think that’s hindsight – I was ecstatic at the time.

    Pardew and Hughton have shown Keegan up imo. Keegan was paid 2mn a year to manage, to have broad shoulders but he ran like a baby. Pards and Hoots – manage in all circumstance – showing their worth. Their loyalties are to the team – not their egos.

    Fans need to lay blame at Keegans door imo – gone is the man of yesteryear. You just have to look at him to see he is broken.

    Fans need to let go – it didn’t work out – and move on. I still don’t think they have.

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  24. M- Definately the Championship. More grit. They realy have to fight for everything, it would do his fitness the world of good. Also give him the hunger to get more 1st team action due to the atmosphere created by the thousands of fans watching…

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  25. Stardust – I think you are right re: Keegan, no doubt he should never have looked him up in the first place, but because he did he signalled the intent to bring us back to our mid 90’s heyday – spending and winning. It was a massive mistake.

    If he keeps hold of our core players and adds a couple of decent players to the squad over the next 12 months (that does not mean he HAS to spend big) then I think the fans will trust him a bit more and get behind him, but the excuses come out having not done these things then I reckon he will have an absolute mountain to climb….

    I think he was just naive when he first came in and we are now starting to see what he is all about – and personally I think what he is doing will serve us very well in the long run – providing he takes this opportunity regarding the playing staff…

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  26. M – i dont disagree i would just rather he was sitting on our bench than in the reserves or on loan.

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  27. Sardust I don’t mean to pick on this one thing or to annoy you but something just occurred to me as I read what you wrote:
    ‘Its just I feel he is villified for wrongdoings (not that I think he has done anything really wrong – I would have made most of the decisions he did giving timing and circumstance) and the good he has done is referenced as luck.’

    Again, like I say, not trying to rehash old grievances but couldn’t this be applied to your argument against Taylor?

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  28. And shamrock I agree with a lot of what you say in your last comment but I think at this stage the fans will never get behind Ashley as a man, the club yes but not him, at least not for a long long time and CL/a trophy. I think the best we can hope for now is what we have at the moment, an acceptance of the situation and a hope that maybe he can stay in the background and let his model work

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  29. Yes Dubtoon, I just hope he does not let us down again. He could so easily make this football club a very good one with a little investment in the playing side and following Spurs’ example with Modric when the big guns come calling for the likes of Tiote & Cabeye…. Be a real shame if he lets what we are building on the pitch slip away. Such a big opportunity for him to turn us into a force on a relatively cheap budget and increase the value and attraction of the club at the same time…

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  30. OT – how many of the players do you think check out blogs and forums?
    I’m pretty sure the management and Pardew come on once in a while just to gauge the current mood amongst the fans and see what’s happening. Probably the local lads too. Anyone have any idea if I’m right?

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  31. Hydeous – Pass mate. I know when Jose was here he posted a screenshot of a comment on Ed’s blog about Nile Ranger. It was someone saying how he is our Lionel Messi and Jose ripped him for it 😆

    I guess they do, but I guess they’d be anonymous

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  32. TOONSY marv has got to come in somewhere in this first team,some will say you cannot change a winning team,dont fix something thats not broke,sorry i disagree every game needs diff tactics,try telling m/u that you cannot change a winning team but what would they know 😀
    just going back to benny thread,good on you,is the the blog not about thoughts and views,without abuse,maybe ive got it all wrong 😐

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  33. Dub – Do you reckon Hydeous is Ben Arfa? 😆

    Ice – I know. There was some real tasty stuff on there. I especially like the boy who hates me purely based on a few comments on the internet. Canny funny like. And to think people accuse me of taking things too seriously 😆

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  34. What’s your day job(s) Toonsy anyway? Always been curious but never asked, or is that giving too much away? Would understand if you’d rather not disclose.

    …I did once think you drove a bus, but later assumed that was just metaphoric.

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  35. Rodz- Nope it’s true mate. I drive for Megabus which is essentially the Ryanair version of National Express. I drive inter-cty around the country at breakneck speeds in some vain attempt to try and keep up with timetables 😀

    Canny job to be honest. People will no doubt take the piss, but for 30k a year you can’t go wrong. The big thing for me is that the company is growing, which should provide security! If not I now have all of my driving licences to fall back on 😉

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  36. …probably best not answering that actually, given the radgies, charvas and Columbo stalker potential.

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  37. …ahh, hahaha, beat me too it! Well, now I know, cheers.

    Fucking hell, I’d pull a buss with my nob for 30k a year! Fair play.

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  38. Rodz – Its money for anti-social hours mate. Nights, weekends etc. Still decent though. And I can have more time off if I wanted to 🙂

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  39. I do a lot of the Newcastle to Plymouth runs which means I deal with mackems a lot and get to abuse them 😈

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  40. ….ah, the shift work thing. Newcastle to Plymouth, jeeziz, that must get pretty monotonous, especially with a coach load of chimps. Suppose it gives you plenty of head time. The blog is a good channel to splurt out the creative energy I guess 😀

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  41. I would start Marveux on the right, based on the strength of his current form, then bring Oberton on as their defenders start to tire. I think Jonas and Marveux offer the best protection against Spurs’s wide attacking areas as well, which IMO is their greatest threat. To have Ben Arfa, Obertan and Sammy Ameobi on the bench would be trully frightening.

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