A Tyneside return for Bassong?
The 25-year-old made his name in England with us after we picked him up from Metz for a fee of just £500,000 at the start of our relegation season. Inevitably that was his only season with us as he scampered off to Tottenham for £8m as we slipped down to the Championship.
However he was our best player in that ill-fated campaign according to the fans who voted him our Player of the Season. Whether that is anything to actually be proud of is a subject for debate however. Was he really good? Or did he look better being the best of what was a pretty bad bunch?
The need for defensive reinforcements will ensure that we get linked with many different defenders over the coming weeks and months. Bassong is not the first and he won’t be the last, but he is perhaps the most interesting as we already have an idea of what he can do in the Premier League.
I probably wouldn’t make a move for the Cameroon defender. It would be easy to say that he deserted a sinking ship when the going got tough but my opinion isn’t based on that. I just don’t think a deal for Bassong is something that the club would be interested in, for a number of reasons.
The first one is that Tottenham don’t sell players on the cheap. Daniel Levy has shown time and time again that he will only sell for the right price and that price is likely to be somewhere close to the £8m he paid for the player just two-and-a-half years ago.
Secondly Bassong’s move to Tottenham would have come with a payrise no doubt. I’m unsure what his pay package is but I’m pretty certain that it will be more than what he would be offered at Newcastle.
Finally, look at the bigger picture. Signing someone like Bassong would be ideal as they can play from the word go, but what happens when Fabricio Coloccini returns? Then when Steven Taylor returns?
Those two have proved to me that they are our first choice pairing in the heart of defence and Bassong would have a battle on his hands trying to stay in the team when they are both fit. Would Bassong be up for that battle? Past history would suggest that he wouldn’t be…
Whilst we do need defenders, I wouldn’t think we’d end up with this particular defender for any number of the reasons outlined above. If we are to get one in then I expect it will either be on loan or another Graham Carr special.
Next rumour please…
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I’ll just copy and paste my comments from the previous thread
“Bassong a possibility but I wouldn’t want any “rats” back”
“Toonsy…er….canny player Bassong, I’d love to have him back”
“Dave…his only saving grace/excuse was he was young and naive and he did say he would stay if Shearer stayed. If Spurs are “offering” him though, they’re after something”
“Mark/Toonsy……or possibly that even though Colo didn’t have his best season then he was still able to guide and encourage a young Bassong and help him play to his potential”
Sorted
No to Bassong – am sure rednose would want a fortune anyway
Turns out I’m free this weekend after all, anyone know how I can get tickets for Norwich game?
Journal are reporting this morning that Tiote could be back in training this morning and Collocini has not yet been ruled out of this weekends game, fingers crossed.
Richie fuk you I can’t copy and paste on my phone
or maybe I can but I don’t know how to 
I would take him back, there is noway he could have stayed anyway once sloppy offered £8mil for a player that cost £500k at the start of that season.
He was alreet… but i’m sure there’s better defenders out there for less money.
SuperCarr can do it again
Money grabbing dorty French twat, left us when we gave him a chance and we were in the shit!!
get him back I say, no room for sentiment/loyalty in th modern game
but Mike sell a footballer for a profit then reduce that profit by getting him back..ne chance…
SteveP – It’s a sell out mate so try the black market
@big Dave. hows your kid doing on mw3? (was it your kid or you
)
bought it myself on Thursday, level 39 already, ditched BF3 for nu, can’t beat panic gaming online, fast and furious is more fun
Bassong is better than the 2 defenders you have. As for having 3 decent central defenders well that’s just daft, you need 4 or 5 in this league as injury’s and suspensions mount throughout the campaign.
He is going to choose QPR anyway so no need for discussion, the pull of living in London will sway his decision.
@SteveP
you can get them in Norwich m8.
Inside a Delia’s pastie you can find a golden ticket, you just need to buy a few to get lucky.
@Paul
name 2 decent central defenders QPR have or 4 or 5 in any other team. I think the 3 what we have is sufficient cover, with Perch or another, Kadar, as back-up.
As some have already said, we’ve been very unlucky.
8m is waaayyyy out our price bracket.
any chance of us talking about the norwich game? i know it’s only tuesday but i’m looking forward to it already. I really rate norwich at the minute, Paul Lamberts done a sterling job and i’d love to have a go Delia Smith.. just think, after a dorty night of passion she’d knock you up a lush batch of pancakes.
and she’s a piss head
and she likes a gang bang…. “C’MOOOONN, Where’s the twelfth man!?”
let’d be havin ya!
let’s be havin ya!
lol Delia smith?? how old are you m8. shes a granny thar smells of cooking oil..lol
i’m 29… but she’s like a fine wine. i love a good milf… even a gilf.
that last post was like a little poem
paul
December 6, 2011 at 09:50
“Bassong is better than the 2 defenders you have.”
Having seen all three of them play for us, no, no he isn’t.
“As for having 3 decent central defenders well that’s just daft, you need 4 or 5 in this league as injury’s and suspensions mount throughout the campaign.”
True, but we have that with one extra defender should we sign someone in January.
“He is going to choose QPR anyway so no need for discussion, the pull of living in London will sway his decision.”
Can’t understand why as London is a shithole generally. And it’s full of twatty youths on the rob/riot.
lol im 38 and wouldnt think of it, I prefer a fine lady with a slim body not a bag of puff pastry.. sicko
Mark he loves it mate and on it everychance he gets, its even hard to get him to go to BB or his friday night youth club, cause he wants to get up another level
he is 1st prestige level 61.
As I said I would take him back but I dont think it will happen unless it envolves a part ex
i think that newcastle have to turn an eye in greece!there is a centre-back who play for AEK ATHENS,21 fast like collo,marking like taylor with forward running when possible,amazing jumping for his height 1,84 and a lot of potential.KOSTAS MANOLAS.mister carr 1.5 million for a new NIKOS DABIZAS….is an opportunity….
@big Dave, aye m8 its very addictive. I’m itching for my claymores (saddo)
Ive loved gaming online for yrs, started with the reactions of a dead sloth now ive improved but the kids are so fu**ing fast. I’m more like a stoned slug nu, but it’s an improvement.
If it was for a Krul swap I’d tell them to F*** right off. he can only go to Spurs or L’pool as the others have decent/expensive keepers already.
Maybe the issue of having 3 central defenders when Taylor and Colocini are fit wouldbe solved by having Bassong at left back as he did at times when he played for you before.
O/T but not really a shock
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/european/8908065/Uefa-shelves-proposals-to-impose-a-transfer-ban-on-clubs-that-breach-its-financial-fair-play-rules.html
FFP….will never work imo
“If” Bassong has been offered to us, it’s either because Harry is after one of our players in part ex or he’s been offered to every team in the league, in which case Spurs will be after most of their cash back which would price him out of a move here and tbh there’s better out there for that price imo.
Richie I agree mate there is better for the money
Billy….that’s one plus that he can fill in at left back at a push.
Toonsy, agree but to be fair London is a huge pull for the foreign players unfortunately
An experienced premiership CB, 25 yrs old, the chance to actually play in Europe as opposed to not even making the bench. A club he knows and enjoyed his time here where he was player of the year. “Most Passionate fans in the world
” Where else would he go.
Do we wan’t him? Known quality. If the price were right no probs.
aye, it’s all about the fee. He looked like a quality player while he was at NUFC and from that point of view I’d be happy to see him back. Couldn’t give a toss about the fact that he left when we went down – don’t hold it against him at all
However… the chances of Levy and Ashley/Llambias agreeing a fee for any player are pretty slim
Preman…”If the price were right no probs”….knowing Spurs(and Ashley) that would be the problem.
I agree, don’t expect it to happen, but happy if it did.
SOUNDS LIKE HE WANTED OUT BACK IN. 2008.
From an article back then;
Related Tags:Sebastien BassongNewcastleSt James’ Park
Bassong has been fined two weeks’ wages after refusing to join the Magpies’ squad for Sunday’s friendly at Dundee United and is attracting interest from Manchester City, Everton and Aston Villa, as well as Spurs.
Moving plans: Sebastien Bassong is keen to leave Newcastle
The 23-year-old is Newcastle’s most saleable asset, but is one of the lowest paid first-team players at the Championship new boys.
The Daily Mail reports Bassong’s agent, Chris Hentoray, plans talks with all the interested parties but claims Bassong favours a move to White Hart Lane.
Tottenham manager Harry Redknapp has fitness concerns over first-choice centre-halves Ledley King and Jonathan Woodgate, and has confirmed his admiration for Bassong.
apparently Tevez is eyeing a trip to tyneside.
Ashley set to offer half a packet of revels and yesterdays daily mail.
Because of that, I don’t see this as a business deal and for that reason, I’m out.
Troy….Everyone knows he wanted away when we went down surely?
agreed premandup….. article in northern eco tavernier cant come back for another two weeks.got to at least a month at shef wed
got to do…hehe
Troy good bit of Detective work there lad I can see you making DS soon
Wouldn’t mind Bassong back but as you’s have pointed out Spurs don’t sell on the cheap….
Ridgewell for about £1.5 million and Onouha on loan and we’ll be sorted
anyone got a spare ticket for the Norwich game they want to sell – I can’t be arsed to buy a ton of pasties to find the golden ticket
Just seen this stat about Aaron Hughes;
”Hughes is renowned for his disciplined defending, as he holds a record of making over 400 Premier League appearances without getting sent off.”
Bassong’s wages will be too high for us – OK though for QPR. Not gonna happen. Not sure what’s happened to Kadar although 2 years of being injured and then ignored by managers must be pretty demotivating. I really worry about this. The same thing is now happening with Vuckic, Ferguson, Abeid. They’re top prospects and should be being introduced like Sammy for a few minutes here and there. Otherwise they will stagnate like Kadar.
Gergio @ 42
Very good point to raise. Even if its for the last 10 minuted in a game these subs should be getting rotated so they can start to progress and get a bit of self worth.
alreet? thought i’d do some internet stalking and came up with this:
troy stavers says:
October 12, 2009 at 9:11 am
hi.
3 batty says:
October 12, 2009 at 9:15 am
i think ashley is gonna hold on to see if we get back in the prem which i think is nailed on and you cant blame him realy very thick skinned ashley is
4 batty says:
October 12, 2009 at 9:16 am
long time no see troy
5 troy stavers says:
October 12, 2009 at 9:17 am
ive maintained from the outset that moat is in cahoots with ashley in order to encourage other consortiums to make a bid. Moat has not got the finances to take over, never has. They are just hoping that the little press releases about him about to take over prompts others to panic and jump in and make a bid. Unfortunately for us, the fat bastard has nt fooled the real businessmen of this world. Its over priced and the greedy bastard should reduce the price. The club in the premier league would only be worth what he is asking now! Hes a gloop!
Preston NE will be in the brown stuff shortly now that Ridsdale has took over
georgio i agree, the only way i think pards wants it done is to get them a loan space in lg football (sometimes a space is hard to get)….but if 1 comes up they should grab it like 1 or 2 of our other youngsters
Would Bassong himself even consider moving back to us? I very much doubt it.
Like Toonsy says, he ain’t gona want to move away from London, and even if he does I doubt he’d be happy being sat on the bench again, for less wages.
All this plus our reluctancy to spend over 5m on a ‘starting’ player, never mind a sub.
I’m guessing it’s just paper/agent talk. Besides, if we managed to sniff him out at 500k originally, and then sell on for 8m, there must be plenty more bargain players out there – especially central defenders. Fatty will expect Carr to unearth another gem at 2m or less. He’s been doing it for ages, and has now set the benchmark for fatty.
I’m gona stick mi neck oot here and say, Bassong – no chance.
@nobby
Your point of bringing that up was?
My views haven’t changed.
Troy, he was on about nights of passion with Delia Smith earlier, I think he’s having one of his turns.
Bassong is a bertie bombscare. Please don’t let him return.
@Georgio, I disagree its happening to Vuckic, Ferguson, Abeid.
Vuckic, Ferguson, Abeid are different to Kadar. Kadar has fallen down the pecking order for what-ever reasons, not too sure to be honest.
Vuckic had a bad injury and is coming back into the swing of things, Ferguson the same and Abeid is still try to break into the first team. Prob is we have a good midfield even with a cpl injured.
I still have hope for all three, as for Kadar i thought he looked ok, maybe he’ll get his chance now.
Georgio @ 42
They are my sentiments too. Pardew was always saying the young players would get a chance and only Sammy has been given a go although Vuckic did show a glimpse before a hand injury in early September. Get Fergie Abeid Kadar Vuckic Richardson Inman on the bench obviously not all the same time. I still cannae believe I am watching Lovenkrands. Peter isn’t a bad player but he aint gonna develop any further
Bassong will be to expensive
Fatty will not sanction loan move (refuses to pay fee and wages)
It’s unlikely we’ll only ever be able to sign players who the ‘big’ clubs either don’t know about or don’t want as we just can’t match the wages on offer, Does anyone know what we spend on wages, I’m aware its nothing like the clubs below (2010 figures)
Chelsea – £174m (£167m)
Man City – £133m (£83m)
Man Utd – £132m (£123m)
Liverpool – £121m (£107m)
Arsenal – £111m (£104m)
yes nobby @44 ? did your digging come to a dead end?
Georgio – Fergie has been injured, as has Vuckic and Abeid has been away for Olympic qualification with Algeria.
figure in brackets is 2009 wage bill
sorry troy… i was just bored on my break so googled ‘troy stavers’ to see if we had a celebrity in our midst.
we don’t.
apparently Kadar is in the squad v Norwich
@nobby
u googled troy stavers.. STALKER ALERT!!
lol I bet Troy is googling himself now..i didnt
honestly
so it looks like
Simpson Kadar Perch Raylor/santon
should do v Norwich.
Willo is back too for the Swansea game
its a weakness…. i’ve just googled ‘Mark’.. there’s too many of them.
lol is that you troy in your kegs on facebook?
i’m asking for some night vision goggles for christmas
i’m not a weirdo – just ask my pet tin of kidney beans (aka frank)
hey troy, youre a good looking fellow
I put you down as some hairy assed beared, beer-bellied ape
*bearded
The thing with Williamson is he wouldn’t even get a game at 5under1and
Mark, no that’s me.
I saw that picture too anyway, there can’t be too many ‘Troy Stavers’s on Facebook. Not that I’m a stalker either. I googled him a few years ago when he was a wind-up merchant on Ed’s blog. Think his profile picture was of him with Ant and Dec!
back on sub ject –
I think the question we should be asking ourselves is… do we need bassong?
I believe ‘no’. The whole point in fringe (and in our case – extremely fringe) players is to plug the gaps when it goes tits up.
i.e – Whenever Shearer got injured we didn’t go ‘fck, lets get a bid in for van nistlerooooy’.
These lads will never learn if they never get game time other wise they may aswell sign permanantly for carlisles/sheff weds etc.
@Rodzilla lol
I quite enjoyed that nosey on facebook.
Must say troy you have a lovely family and a nice set of pecs
fuck bassong, im picking a troy image for my desktop
if you finger pied delia smith, do you think your fingers would smell like freshly bakes scones?
On topic i dont want Bassong back in all honesty. can see us getting Kolo Toure on loan, Ashley wont want to spend to much with Maiga and a left back as well. agree with Nobby to be honest id like to see Kadar and tavernier given a shot.
@Toby le Rhone
it wasnt long ago ppl preferred Willo / Colo combination. It only stopped at the beginning of the season due to an injury and Saylors form.
He can’t be that bad..
@ALEX
no, corned norfork beef probably.
i’ve got a class news feed on Troy:
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Action+needed+(+a+march+or+convoy.-a0158998835
Get in Troy!!!!… FIGHT THE POWER!!!!
….I’d say Haddock Mornay.
lol who have a total disregard for an alleged speed camera or a little old lady.
too right troy, you have a heart as well as a sexy ass
@Rodzilla
I’ve just re-read his crusade letter to the journo, it get’s me every time.
apparently Delia has canny beef dripping
I’d take Bassong back if he took a reduced wage, was willing to backup STaylor and Collo (when fit), and if ‘arry sold him on the cheap. Of course, there is a better chance of me lining up in central defense vs. Norwich
Delia’s got a canny moist frangepan
LOL Troy getting stalked
Rod aye I remember that pic with ant and dec 
troy you need to raise your security level 
anyway nobby, how long is your lunch break?
can believe youve destroyed the myth, the legend of Troy. I quite liked my hairy-assed bearded image. now I see a pretty boy dishing out opinions!! doesnt feel right
No thanks. He had 1 good season, got himself a big money move and pay rise, then stopped trying. Another mercenary. Would honestly rather give Remi Streete an early chance than waste club resources on that twat.
We only need one half decent centre half this January. There will be plenty of free options in the summer provided our excellent scouting system gets out there early
next years starting defence
Santon; Saylor; Kadar; Pieters
back-up
CB Willo & new Carr Special
FB Tavernier & Ferguson
Utility Perch & Raylor
Delia is making Celeb food now.
Shes teamed up with George Micheal to make Delia sticky cottage pie mmm
Delia’s *
@big dave
troy you need to raise your security level..
too late m8, Im outside his house noo al bondaged up
Mark – let’s just says it’s been a slow day today.
If you google ‘nobby newcastle’ a load of solano stuff comes up. so there you have it…. i’m really nolberto solano. i’m off to play me trumpet and play football till i’m 104.
I feel violated
Who’s Vi O’lated
Mark I don’t think he would worry too much, does it not mention on goggle about him being a British UFC champ ?
jesus prem… that’s some tame comedy.
troy – bollocks, you love the attention
Troy, you will do when ‘Big Mark’ gets you in his gimp suit.
True Nobby, not up to your standards
oooh I like a bit of rough n tumble. as long as he wears those leather pants on his profile pic.. they were leather werent they Troy or vulcanised rubber?
@Rodzilla
Im nearly there”".. can just see his balcony, tough climbing with this suit on. It was the one with the union jack flag hanging over the side, 7th floor?.. wont be long troy, get yer pants on
StevP@53 it Toon wages were £47.5 million in 2009/10 (Championship season) and £71.1 million the last year in Premier league prior to relegation. Our total turnover was £52.4 million in 2009/10 and £86.1 million the previous season. Wages/turnover was 90.6% in 2009/10 and 82.6% in 2008/9.
We are a long way off the top 5 or 6 when it comes to turnover and the wages we can afford.
Latest estimate I seem to remember was wages were thought to be about 60% of turnover for last season
prem – i’m a comedy genius
i’m also super intelligent, drop-dead-gorgeous, have an amazing personality, rock hard bod and i’m a bronze god.
3hourswasted, and apparently there is an 80% correlation between total wage bill & league position.
….ganin a bit haywire this post Toonsy
I blame it on Nobby for turning a debate on our defensive cover crisis into a discussion on Delia’s ladygarden.
@nobby
i’m also super intelligent, drop-dead-gorgeous, have an amazing personality, rock hard bod and i’m a bronze god. no.. thats Troy i believe, youre just a pretender now..
Nobby, no self esteem issues then, or are you just another deluded newcastle fan
Mark do you want him to keep the boots on ?
“It is the ability to take a joke, not make one, that proves you have a sense of humor.”
Les Kellet 1975
(RIP Grandad)
yes toonsy..ban Nobby! and create a new thread for Delia’s ladygarden and Troys rubber thongs
@Big Dave
Is Nobby smashing Delia’s pasty?
get him in on loan with option to buy like we did with arfa. Young powerful cb with prem experience. good business if we secured him permanently for 4/5 million.
Toonsy said: Finally, look at the bigger picture. Signing someone like Bassong would be ideal as they can play from the word go, but what happens when Fabricio Coloccini returns? Then when Steven Taylor returns?
wow toonsy that just doesnt make sense (and you talk more sense than you dont)
id love it if colo or talys come back and cant get in the team because a cb was playing so well that they could not be dropped. End of the day we are NUFC, are massive club imo and being a massive the club the two points should be true;
1)no player should have an automatic place in starting 11
2) we should MORE THAN 2 class CB,s. Its a minimum requirement FOR A CLUB LIKE OURS to have 3 top prem players at CB in case shit happens
@112 – Cant argue with that!
@112 – I agree entirely, but let’s get a bit real here. From a fan perspective I understand your point entirely and I agree 100%
What about the player perspective(which I put in the paragraph below which you didn’t quote). Would Bassong be seriously happy to sit on the sidelines? Would Colo? Would Taylor?
I doubt that.
Only the big hitters can afford that luxury as they have more games each season and can share the playing time around a bit as they have Europe and longer cup runs to consider. Plus they’ll pay more which tends to buy a bit more patience.
I’d love us to have four internationals at CB but it just isn’t going to happen.
no he’s just warming up his sausage roll in her bakers oven
see troy if it wasnt for me telling toonsy to give you another chance for abusing (apparently)
an author on here a few weeks ago I would never had seen you in your leather undies and boots.. wish I had of kept my mouth shut nu 
Who do we get to replace Tiote that’s what I want to know as well.
P.S.Not saying that we don;t need another CB, just that people expecting a third or fourth experienced Premier League centre-back may be a little disappointed in the end.
The way I see it as follows:
Colo – Captain. Automatic starter.
Tayls – Took his chance after injury to Williamson.
Willo – Will wait for his chance.
Then beyond that we should be looking at younger,promising players like Kadar who will happily wait on the fringe for a chance.
Troy – It doesn’t matter who we think we’ll get to replace Tiote if he does indeed end up needing replacing. Who is to say anyone will know him anyway? I’d put money on it being another Tiote type player where people react the same as most did when we signed him, ie, “who the feck is that”
@toonsy @114 totally agree m8.
thats why I dont believe you have to have 4-5 decent centerbacks. 3 will do with a couple of back-up players. especially on the wages we offer.
Toonsy did the post numbers on the mob site fuk things up the last time ?
As they would be dead handy if it would work, just something to think about while your playing with your knob
I apologise to all that I have offended today. I shall retire to the shadows.
Please do not axe me toonsy. The Devil makes work for idol thumbs and for the 2nd day running… i’ve done nish.
I have no sense of humour really, Troy is correct, you have a better sense of humour if you can take a joke than dish them out.
One day someone came up to me and called me ‘big nose’ for a laugh. I didn’t like it. I was crying inside but no one could tell for the screaming.
There’s always someone, somewhere with a big nose who knows who’ll trip you up and laugh when you fall.
S.P.Morrissey
@troy
Abeid or Vuckic might be ready by then..
Dave – Couldn;t get them to work mate
toonsy its a chicken and egg debate. having 3 class cbs minumim will maybe helpt to push us into europe where you said the ‘big hitters’ can afford to rotate.
i.e:
spurs 5 years ago wernt any better than us?? but in recent years they signed gallas, woodgate, kaboul, bassong etc to add to king and dawson etc. Why? Not because they can play all of them, but their chairman and manager had hindsight and AMBITION because they see themselves as a big club!!
And where did it get them? cl quarter finals and they are currently challenging for league title and in a position to say to bassong, ‘ya your not good enough for our squad!’
with that mentality you have above toonsy we will be foreva alsorans (is that spelt right?)
and NUFC is not an alsoran club!!
@mark
Why do you think Toonsy let’s me back on?
He has an underwear fetish!
Albeit, the ones I’m wearing havent been washed since my Grandad Les Kellet won the world wrestling championship belt in 1967.
The smell of raw sweat is what makes them special. I always wear them for weddings, funerals and match days.
@toonsy BAN HIM!! BAN HIM!!
until we see a pic of nobby in his rubber thong i think he should be banned. can we vote on it pls toonsy
I promise to just talk about footy tomorrow.
@Troy Stavers lol I might have to invest in a pair myself. I’m sure ann Summer did them last time i was, wor lass was in
Sadly Mark my rubber thongs are in thr dry cleaners at the minute. I’ll be down west denton morrisons next week to pick them up.
@nobby
no 2moro for you m8
all work and no play.. you do less work then me
and to add to this point since i mentioned spurs if we accept a bid of 20 million for tiote il be vexed.
that little club spuds were able to tell romain and his rubles to F RIGHT OFF when they offered 40 MILLION for modric!!
why? ambition. modric, was upset, he handed in a transfer request. he said his head wasnt right
where are they now? and how is modric playing
i rest my case
LETS START TO KEEP OUR BEST PLAYERS EH FAT MIKE, see where it gets us. Just as an experiment for a couple years..
if it doesnt work Mike then carry on selling like a pimp in amsterdam
@nobby wow, stalking has just got a bit closer to home.. i live like 500metres away from there.
I didnt see rubber thongs in there..
“and NUFC is not an alsoran club!!”
Hmm. Would that be based on our recent history of lots of trophi…… Oh, maybe not.
Looking at Spurs the way you are doing is like saying Tottenham have signed all of them players at once to mount a challenge for it all when that just isn’t the case.
Five years ago they started with King and Kaboul. Then they qualified for Europe and signed Dawson and Bassong. Then they qualified for the Champions League and signed Gallas. Plus bear in mind they have King who can;’t actually train as his knees are so ropey and you can perhaps see why they have so much cover.
And regardless, even if we did have three top class CB’s (we have two) what difference would it make to the position we find ourslevs in now exactly? They’d all still be injured would they not?
Troy, regarding a replacement for Tiote, looking at Enrique’s replacement being already here in the guise of Ryan Taylor, I’d imagine Tiote (should he go)’s replacement is also already here, in Guthrie.
ROD – on paper (or screen) that sounds good but we need more of a defensive midfielder… i see guthers as more attacking… i know he’s got a good tackle in him but he doesn’t put himself about like the general.
toonsy i said minimum 3..which is better than two. no?
I believe Willo and Perch should be given their opportunity to grasp playing alongside Colo. They have until January to prove they are up to the job.
Tho, I’ve already wrote Perch off as a right back he might play better at CH .
He has to improve from Saturdays performance.
That does not mean we shouldn’t be looking to buy a new CH in January .
It requires a big squad and we haven’t got one in terms of quality.
Arry sold Kaboul to Portsmouth, then got him back on the cheap, King isnt trusted and Bassong was an obvious mistake. Gallas was a good signing on a free (i think).
Its only been Dawson who’s been the mainstay, who I dont actually think is better than Saylor or Colo.
anyway its a stoopid argument. even AP knows we need another class cb.
But we have three, no? Grated Williamson isn’t the greatest, but he can do a job. They are all injured.
I’ve never said we don’t need more, just that we don;t have the bargaining hand with players to get them to be happy to be backup. Sorry, but 50,000 fans who say they have a massive club is fuck all compared to an extra 20k a week
Colo, Saylor and Willo is enuf. we just need more versatility in the leftBk/rightBlk positions, Pieters should help if available.
Right… i’m clocking out – I think tomorrow we should have an attacking debate – this defense crisis has smoked out the fact that nothing is set in stone with regards to attacking – we need more goals! laters munchkins.
Toonsy said “Grated Williamson isn’t the greatest, but he can do a job.”
toonsy it pains my heart to see that, really does. Do you know how thousands of pro footballers globally would give anything to play for NUFC? yes we may not be able to attract thiago silva, lucio, terry or phil jones but gollie we should be having better than ‘he can do a job’
thats what teams say on a sunday morning when you bring a player down you dont know – not to play in fromt of 52,000 at the might ST.JAMES PARK!!!!!
i suggest we bid for cahill. 8 mill and we have him due to his contract situation
LETS SHOW INTENT AND AMBITION
mark says – ‘Colo, Saylor and Willo is enuf’
mark says – ‘Colo, Saylor and Willo is enuf’
obviously isnt
Hang on, so now we abandon the philosophy that brought us Cabaye, Tiote, Ba etc etc, all of whom are good players I’ll add, because we’ve suffered a few injuries?
Anyway, you’ve inspired me to do an article
I’m going to look at clubs of our level, by that I mean clubs aiming for the the top seven like Villa, Everton etc and see how their squad stack up for depth. I’d put money on either of those clubs plus a lot of others struggling and being in the same position as us if they lost three central defenders to injury.
WHHHOOOOAAAAAAAAAA TOONSY COME BACK THIS SECOND AND STOP ARTICLING!!!!!
my mother always told me not to compare because you can always do better than you think
EVERTON – crisis. NO MONEY, they couldnt even afford a loan fee for drenthe and had to get yakubu off books – it would be unfair to compare to them
VILLA – have a good YT setup so you have to bear that in mind also. likes of ciaran clark and bannan and albrighton are better than what you may give credit for
you may continue..
Are Bannan and Alrighton defenders then? Must have missed that like… And who know what our young lads may turn out like?
Everton are just as skint as we are. There is no difference between not having money and not spending it like Everton, or having a billionaire owner who won’t spend anything like us. The balance sheets may read different, but the willingness/ability to spend is precisely the same. Besides, they;ve been skint for years and have still managed to dabble around the top seven pretty much every year.
Villa’s central defenders: Dunne, Collins, Clark
Players who can play at CB: Cuellar
Lose three of them they’ll be relying on out of position players and young lads.
Everton’s central defenders: Distan, Jagielka, Heitinga
Players who can play CB: Fellaini.
Lose any of them three they’ll be in the same boat as Villa and us.
We’re no different
fair enough
STILL THINK WERE POTENTIALLY BIGGER THAN EVERTON AND VILLA AND SHOULD ACT AS SUCH
just my own stoopid geordie opinion
pisses me off that a club like spurs are challenging. 35k fans. we have a massive fan base (to me that determines size of club, ala sheff wed are bigger than wigan athletic) and are relying on mike williamson and james perch…blimey
il start you off;
villa – collins, dunne, clark, cuellar (curtis davies on loan?)
everton, distin, jakielka, hetinga
i rest my case
i agree toonsy – even if man utd lose three theyl be struggling, we have sever injuries at moment.
im just comparing our strenght in depth. imo we have nomone after tayls and colo, whereas villa and everton have the likes of clarke and heitinga.
you cant put williamson the same post code as these players
and for my club that is not good enough
thats all im saying
7th place liverpool; coates (uruguay international), agger, carragher, skrtel, kelly
8th place stoke: huth, woodgate, shawcross, wilson, upson
you staring to see picture??
But the club know it’s not good enough aswell. They’ve said, well Pardew said anyway, that they wanted a defender but it just didn’t happen.
Kelly isn’t a CB. He is a RB.
I’ve always said we needed more. I was never aware that I said any different. What I’m saying, which you’ve now also said yourself, is that if any team lost three CBs they’d struggle so cheers for finally agreeing with me
haha – ya nebotha
ps – kelly is a CB that gets played RB!
…Toonsy, with the exception of Arsenal, Chelsea, Man City, Man U, Stoke and Spurs who all seem to have a decent amount of obvious CB cover.
Plus, most other teams have at least 8 defenders to jiggle about when needed. We have 6.
wouldnt want bassong back,and as toonsy said, any club would struggle losing three central defenders,its just pure bad luck the way its come about,however the team spirit is still there ,the midfield,will step up to the mark and help them out,and i would play best and ba up front,as they can help defend set pieces with theyr’e height and strength,think we can get a good few points in our next four games,and still be in top six in the new year
Isn’t Cuellar naturally a CB who has been played at RB?
…….so basically we all agree we need a CB, it’s not just what sort of quality would be happy to sit on the bench or indeed how much they’d want, it’s more how much Ashley would be happy to pay a player to be a bench warmer and as we all know the answer is… not alot 
We already scouted a replacement for Tiote in the summer – Blaise Matuidi.
Pardew was purring about him back then apparently.
Arguably better than Tiote but has since signed for PSG. Still, if we did sell Tiote for £20m I think we could tempt him with a bid of £10-12m.
Certainly won’t be the end of the world if Tiote Cheiks out of Toon.
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December 6, 2011 at 14:16
3hourswasted, and apparently there is an 80% correlation between total wage bill & league position
Aye there is Prem and I expect there’s an 80% correlation between turnover and league position. The turnover helps you afford the wages – Man U, Arsenal, Spuds Liverpool, Man City and Chelsea all have massively higher turnover than ours. Ashley isn’t prepared to stick any more money in so the club will not be run at a loss like Chelsea & Man City – no chance of us spending similar on wages.
Thought we couldtalk about Nowich game.
If shola plays he’ll obviously be captain, but if he doesn’t who do the rest of you think will be in for captain colo? My guesses are either gutierrez or krul, as they’ve the only players in the starting XI that have been here more than a year and a half.
oh well looks like I’ll be looking for a stream on Sat then
I think bassong is a cracking prospect and would pay 4mill for him. I don’t blame him for leaving. He was young, perhaps a bit naive and was one of our lowest paid players. Baring in mind he was our player of the season he should have been offered an improved deal. It’s just another example of fatty cashing in at any opportunity. If there is a chance of him coming back as a more mature player / person who has learned a lesson then dirty Harry needn’t even consider mentioning tiote as part of the deal.
shame tavernier cant come back for two weeks…hope collo isnt out long!!! christ we are very thin in defence
it Will end up being a deal that see’s krul go to spurs. £10million plus bassong for krul! De gea went to man u for silly money and krul is 10 times better i believe krul to be worth £25million plus. He is still very young and the best keeper in the league at this present time and keepers play until they are 35 years plus
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