Judas Carroll? Or Judas Jose?
To me they are just commodities who come and go, almost at will. I don’t get why other people think differently either.
Anyway, I’ll stop digressing. As I said, I don’t usually look at former players at all, but this one seems to be all over the media so I’ll run with it and see what everyone else thinks about it.
The subject at hand is of course the weekend encounter with Liverpool and the first return to St James’ Park for the likes of Jose Enrique and Andy Carroll.
Much is being made of the reception these former favourites will get on their return to the club which effectively made them in England and gave Liverpool a reason to splash out a rather astonishing estimated £41 million on the pair. In fact Kenny Dalglish has already suggested that the pair may get a bit of stick upon their return.
Dalglish said in his pre-match press conference: “I’m not sure Andy will get abuse because what happened was outside his control. It’s up to them what they want to do. They pay their entrance money and, if they want to give him stick, they will give him stick. But I don’t think he ever did anything other than give of his best for Newcastle, and then they got £35m into the bargain as well. That’s not bad, is it?
“I think Andy will be excited about going back. It’s the club he supported as a boy, the club that introduced him and gave him his chance in professional football. So I think he will be excited about it as a local boy and will be looking forward to the game. José Enrique had a few years up there too, and he will be looking forward to it as well.”
I’m just wondering what kind of reception you guys have planned for our former number nine, and our former number three come to think of it.
Will it be a hostile one? Will it be a warm one? Will one player get a barracking while the other gets off lightly?
The cameras will be on Carroll and watching the reception he gets, but for me he isn’t the one that I’m most disappointed in. I’ve never bought this “forced out” baloney. Not in a million years can you force a player out of a club if they have a contract. If it could be done do you think we would STILL have Xisco and Alan Smith on our payroll?
Nope.
Carroll left his boyhood club for his own reasons. Whether that be money or or a better chance of Europe or a better shot at winning a trophy, who knows. He had his reasons and off he went,but most importantly he went quietly and we’ve not heard a peep out of him since. He hasn’t slagged off the club, the manager, the owners or anything like that.
Jose Enrique is a completely different kettle of fish however. The sneaky Spaniard played the game all along and knew he was off for months. It was evident in his performances for us, and the Blackpool away game sticks firmly in the mind when I look back on it.
He wanted to talk about a new deal in the summer so he told us. He wanted to wait until he knew we were safe before sitting down to discuss things, yet it seems he had no intention of doing so all along and he left for Liverpool after a rather public outburst on Twitter where he criticised the club, its policies, and its lack of ambition – a lack of ambition that sees his former club eight points clear of his current employers ahead of the game on Sunday.
You see when it comes to reactions from the crowd, not everything is as black and white as it seems and, from my perspective anyway, the media are barking up the wrong tree when it comes to looking for a reaction.
It’s not Carroll I’ll be barracking, it’s the slimy Spaniard!
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To be quite honest Carroll and Enrique have showed their true colours by jumping ship when a so called bigger team came along, why would we want players at our club who didn’t want to be there?
In a nutshell out with the old in with the new, we hardly look like a team who misses either of them anyway so good riddance to bad rubbish I just hope it was worth it!
EI EI EI EI O!!!!!!!!
C.F.L
carried away with extra ‘EI’ schoolboy error!
C.F.L
In fairness you can’t really blame Enrique as we Invested next to nothing in the squad for near on 3 years and actually made a profit on transfers, we had little direction being communicated from those above and what about the “no capital outlay” statement from the club in the pre- season to coming back up – what was anyone meant to take from that? We like the players were as pessimistic as each other and it has only been post Christmas 2011 that we have actually known Mike Ashley’s intentions with regards to nufc. It is only with hindsight we can reflect on the fortunes of one another and I bet Enrique felt he was just going to being making up the numbers for a mid-table feeder club hence he jumped ship.
On Andy Carroll, well how do I put this – oh yeah… Fukn greedy bastard that’s getting his comeuppance and long may that continue. Fat pony tailed wanker!
They will both get very negative reactions I reckon, particularly Carroll. But I still love this nugget form enrique:
“This club will never again fight to be among the top 6 again with this policy.”
I think Enrique and Carroll will probably be a bit embarrassed to be honest but they could always look at their bank balance for comfort. I’m not really bothered anymore, Carroll we have replaced and Enrique we will replace probably this summer. They have won a cup and have Europa, they could still win the FA cup so its no like they have nothing but it is nice that we are 8 points above them and I really hope we beat them just to rub it in.
MDS…he’s right, the fight is for top 5…top 6 was a stroll(hopefully)
Give the pair of them dogs of abuse, neither of them are legends at NUFC, ex players usually get abuse on their return to former clubs. That’s football, if ya can’t take the heat……
To be honest though, Carroll should be cheered as it was selling him that made the club good again. Jose was the one who kept lying about wanting a contract extension when all he was doing was waiting for the first big club to come in for him. He backed us into a corner and it probably cost us 10M
To be fair to Enrique, I bet he’s as surprised to see our league position as I am. He probably feels a bit of a tool for saying we’d never challenge the top 6 again, but to be honest, when he and Barton were slating the club for having no ambition blah blah etc., I myself was pretty much in the same camp, as I’m sure many other fans were too.
At the time when we were going through a major shake up, losing Carroll, Enrique, Barton and Nolan for big money, collectively, I had big concerns over the club’s ambition. To this day though, I’m still not really sure how much of it was ‘luck’ that the likes of Cabaye, Tiote, Ba and Ben Arfa have fit into the rest of the squad so seamlessly. I’d like to think it was good planning/scouting, but it could’ve so easily gone tits-up.
With regards to Carroll, I’d agree with Toonsy, I’ve never really blamed him for leaving, but we never see what goes on behind closed doors and between players and agents.
At the end of the day I bear no hard feelings against any of our ex-players, apart from maybe Bellamy, but most ex-players will always get stick when they return to their old clubs, and rightly so in my eyes. It’s not malicious, just healthy (and often strategic) crowd banter designed to throw players off their game for the benefit of the baying fans’ team. And quite often the crowd banter is bloody funny too!
Give ‘em shit, I say!
Richie, just seen your comment, that’s how I feel. Players always say they thrive on the abuse anyway.
At the end of the day I’d be perfectly happy to walk past my local lollypop lady every day and be called a c*nt, then told to “f*ck off you greedy bastard” by old Hazel in the Co-op as I pick up my morning paper if I was on £40k a week or whatever.
Team for the match
Krul
Simpson, Willo, Perch, Raylor
Cabaye, Tiote, Jonas
HBA, Cisse, Ba
to be fair that took a lot of thinking about didn’t it. Raylor or Santon at LB duh
i hope that they get that much abuse they start to blab like big babys
Prem- yeah the team kind of picks itself after last week. I agree on Raylor- with Collo out we might need a little more ecperience on the back 4 this week.
Good fair view Toonsy.
Carroll obviously burns because he supports his own town club and he has lost the opportunity to be loved and remembered like Milburn & Shearer but has been respectful to the Toon
Enrique is a different matter and you sum it up well
It will be wonderful to batter some sense onto Liarpool on Sunday
both are prone to mistakes and the more we boo and hassle them the better, simple as that
while were on the subject the same applies for suarez– he will bite and gwet sent off
as for gerrard we should cheer him to the rafters — class act who will only get better if we boo him !
since its unlikely that either one of them will ever darken the doors of our training ground again – i say we roast both of the bastards!!
What I love the most is that every player that has left since we got promoted has gone on to much better things…………………. oh wait maybe only barton has
Couldnt give a stuff as long as tiote cripples them
Rodzilla says:
March 30, 2012 at 14:30
To be fair to Enrique, I bet he’s as surprised to see our league position as I am. He probably feels a bit of a tool for saying we’d never challenge the top 6 again, but to be honest, when he and Barton were slating the club for having no ambition blah blah etc., I myself was pretty much in the same camp, as I’m sure many other fans were too.
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Hard to argue with that, but as the article says, I think Enrique made up his mind to leave long beofre Barton and Nolan were sold. He kept coming up with excuses to push bacl the contract negotiaitons and then jumped when the first “big club” (his words) came in for him.
Circumstances forced Carroll out IMO.
The Toon making it clear £35m was too much to turn down and Carroll being offered more than double his wage.
Can’t blame Carroll at all.
I won’t be jeering him.
I don’t blame Enrique either. No one could have predicted liverpools and The Toons league placings this season and he was simply being ambitious.
He couldn’t see it happening at the Toon but who did?
Troy carroll whilst bids were accepted it was always his call to get treble his wages; however he was our number 9 albeit shortly and has helped us get to top 6 this season; without that money we wouldnt have cisse, ba, cabaye, etc
Enrique would be so good in our team right now
Stillian Petrov been diagnosied with Leukemnia
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11677/7637608/Petrov-diagnosed-with-leukaemia
Thoughts with him and his family
Is it not normally a case of booing a player and he ends up laying better and wanting to put the ball in the back of the net even more. I agree with Toonsy, perhaps do something when their name is read out, but through the game, forget the booing of anybody and just make the noise cheering our lads on, lets be the 12th man
I totally blame both fo them for leaving as NUFC is the best club in the world and I can’t see why anyone would want to play for anyone else
I will boo both, Along with anyone else wearing red.
Despise liverpool and i wont forget the “stayed on the telly” shit wor al endured at their decaying shithole, Im giving it kenneth will both barrels win lose or draw the miserable twat…
yeah just seen that Johno, I knew he was ill but that one came pretty unexpectedly – pretty serious shit. Hopefully he’ll pull through.
MDS, yeah I think the difference is with Enrique and Barton’s public dummy-spitting. We see it happening so often these days. Twitter has become a manager’s nightmare and a journalist’s dream.
For me,is the manager i will boo. Never forgive and forget what he does to that newcastle squad.
As for carroll and enrique, for the former,he hardly scores anyway,no need to even boo him off.
For the latter,he will receive the same treatment as i boo off “King” Kenny.
CC says:
March 30, 2012 at 15:20
Despise liverpool and i wont forget the “stayed on the telly” shit wor al endured at their decaying shithole,
What was this?
….Johno, they were shouting “you should’ve stayed on the telly” at him, when we was managing us against them.
…I thought it was funny as fook personally.
Think jeering is fine and expected.
Don’t really care to be honest, both are irrelevant to us now, both left the club when they had potential to become legends here.
Carroll – Alan Shearer. Turned down transfers, wage rises, the lot, and he could have had trophies galore. Carroll half a good season, gets the no 9 shirt, buggers off to Liverpool.
Enrique – To me he was just as slimy as Barton, using twitter to cater to gushing fans, manipulating the situation, knowing that if they questioned ambition and the board that the everyday fan would obligingly believe them and not blame them for the transfer.
Don’t begrudge either of them the move, Liverpool, regardless of how they are now, are still easily the second biggest English club. I just hated the way they both tried to manipulate the fans into forgiving them for the move, they should man up and say they wanted not, not say they were pushed or it was because Ashley was happy just avoiding relegation each year
@Troy 18
Cabaye/Ben Arfa/ Tiote/ Cisse/ Ba/ Perch
They all managed to see some sufficient ambition to move here…
Heaven forbid we don’t match the ambition required by Joey Barton and the rest of the conniving mercenaries haha
@Liam 19
If he had stayed our first team (once Santon has settled) would be amazingly set
Rodz – interesting comment you made about twitter. Don’t know if you saw Mark Douglas’s article in today’s Journal, but it kind of backs up the point you made about it being a journalist’s dream:
http://www.journallive.co.uk/nufc/newcastle-united-news/2012/03/30/twitter-remains-a-positive-force-in-football-61634-30656483/
Chris@31, I hadn’t seen that mate, but just read it, cheers. Some handy links on there too for any Twitterers out there.
Interesting to hear comments from Danny Simpson regarding his account closure…
“I don’t want to put myself in that position or the club in that position. Theres only so much you can read, because we’re all human and I could feel myself going to retaliate so I just needed a break.”
…sensible words and attitude from wor Danny. Some people just can’t help themselves though. I don’t go on Facebook anymore cos I got sick of waking up the morning after a skinful and seeing the mess I’d made
I’m not defending by any means, but it’s crazy how you can get locked up nowadays for a mistimed and inappropriate drunken quip. I’m talking about that tool who got locked up for the Muamba tweets.
With regards to footballers and Twitter, Twitter could introduce some sort ‘moderator’ app, where all football clubs would assign a ‘Tweet Monitor’ from within their PR departments, to screen each player Tweet before it going live. Or something. I suppose that would take the fun out of it for the ‘car-crash’ general public who all love a bit of a scandal.
Never mind petrol, Andy Carroll is a great example of never panic buying!
On topic, I pity him. Threw it all away in pursuit of money, when he had enough to live comfortably on for the rest of his days anyway. If he comes good and wins some major trophies (not gonna happen anytime soon) then you have to say fair play but if he doesn’t, and he threw away the chance to be a hero/legend in his home town…idiot
That’s probably a good idea Rodz. Feel for Simmo, but it’s hard to say how many were from actual angry fans and how many were from mackems just trolling to get a rise.
Yeah don’t agree with the Muamba sentence at all, did you see the guy who’s life was ruined because he made some sarcy comment about “blowing Heathrow sky high if they don’t hurry up!” ?
I think tweets/comments on websites etc should be taken as they are usually said, as throwaway comments like just casually chatting to your friends.
If it is harrassment, ie targetting a player, or setting up a website specifically to berate someone then i think a punishment is justified, not for twitter comments though.
I don’t bare any ill feelings towards Andy Carroll ,to his credit he has never uttered a bad word about the club and truth be told I reckon he’d come back in a heartbeat but that’s another story.
So yes give him hell I say.
Enrique is a different matter altogether . For me he is a slimy selfserving money grabbing ,glory hunting tit ,who knew exactly what he was doing when he so cleverly orchastrated his exit.
By far my most fervent vitirol would be aimed at Kenny though for the way he systematicly dismantled the best team we had in ages and turned us into an impotent unit and continues his quest to this day by trying to nick our players.You see if they don’t come after Cisse ,HBA or Ba with mega bucks come the summer aargh ,I hate them and hope we completely demolish them on sunday. Sorry ,rant over.
Just like to say sad news about Stilian Petrov ,I wish him a speedy recovery from an awful illness.
Yeah ST, that incident was Doncaster airport, apparently he was the first UK person to be arrested for a tweet:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/twitter-joke-led-to-terror-act-arrest-and-airport-life-ban-1870913.html
…it is crazy though. There’s a huge difference between saying something to a mate for a laugh and broadcasting it worldwide. I think the authorities are hitting out pretty hard and making people scapegoats though. I think it’s getting to the point where people aren’t really sure what they can and can’t say these days, with everyone suing each other left right and centre and the PC brigade jumping in at any opportunity.
…anyway, I’m off now. Catch thees later…
@Trumpet
Shearer never showed any interest in joining the Toon prior to KK turning us into title contenders.
He was also on a huge wage and believed the Toon could win trophies.
Totally different circumstances to Carroll.
@Moreno
He’s won a trophy in his first season something the Toon haven’t done I over 50 yrs!
I think that’s fair play already and it’s likely he’s gonna be going to wembley again in the FA Cup.
*think scapegoat was the wrong word there, but you know what I mean. Anyway, tatty bye….
@Troy
To be fair man you still feel that Carroll was “forced out” so I can only take what you say with a pinch of salt.
Really? Between KK and Sir Bobby he believed we could win trophies? Even in the Sir Bobby years we had a defence consisting of Bramble/O’Brien/Griffin/Dabizas etc we were reliant on Bobby’s management and Shearer’s goals, without either we would have had our glaring weaknesses exposed.
If he was serious about winning trophies he would have moved elsewhere. But he knew that whilst winning trophies is important, nothing beats playing for your home town club.
Christ Troy both Barca and Man Utd came in for Shearer! He could have done what you conveniently forget to mention Carroll did (TRANSFER REQUEST), but he didn’t.
Utter delusion sometimes mate.
They both went for more money and who can blame them if i could double my wage i would jump at the chance (im betting most of you would aswell).
They are payed to play football, explayers get booed i dont think they will care thatmuch either way.
Troy Stavers says:
March 30, 2012 at 16:27
He’s won a trophy in his first season something the Toon haven’t done I over 50 yrs!
Liverpool have underachived this season , but I would swap finishing 7th and having a cup won than finishing 6th ( maybe 5th
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repost from last article
Evilfranky (on “willo should be given the armband”)
That’d be like Mcleish giving the armband to heskey, jonas deserves to be vice-vice-captain (behind S.Taylor), sums up not giving up and running to help the team right until the final whistle. Worried about our defence, place tiote just in front of them and then the other five can just be constantly attacking, not giving liverpool’s defence a moments rest, when they clear it, toto and perch receive it and send it back to the front-line.
Andy that would sum up my my hopes for the match , if Ba Cisse and Ben Arfa supoorted by Cabaye and Guti I think it be too much for liverpool. And Cabaye and Guti have the legs to run back and help our make shift defence
To be honest, as toon fans we should be putting all our energy into getting behind the 11 players in black and white.
Were obviously not going to cheer them, but I’m not one for booing players everytime they touch the ball. In fairness to both, neither have sold us down the river as accused.
If Enrique was to have “jumped ship” he could have done it when we got relegated!. He didn’t and was one of our best players that season, he then could have left the start of last season as well but didnt and again played well for us. He knew that he wasn’t going to get a pay increase staying at Newcastle so left. I don’t love the lad and I don’t hate him either, I thank him for playing well for Newcastle. Thereafter, he’s just another football who once played for us and now plies his trade elsewhere.
As for Carroll, Liverpool desperately wanted him and we eventually sold him!. Again, he did his job while he played for us and scored the goals that helped us stay in the EPL that season. Yes he tripled his salary but we also got some quality players in with his fee so we all done ok out of it. Carroll is also one of us, he’s a Geordie lad and I always want to see players from our region do well, whoever they play for (weird I know).
Neither player done us over or handed in a transfer request and both have silverware and will player European football next season, so putting money aside, you could argue that the moves were justified.
Enrique was stupid for mouthing off when he left, but there were alot of stupid things going on in our club during his time with us, but I do think he should have just kept his gob shut.
I think the Muamba and Petrov situation really drills home that these lads are just human, most young and immature and probably have greedy agents in their ear telling them what to do.
Fans shouldn’t wasted time and energy hating other players, we should exhaust ourselves supporting ours….. But god I hate Liverpool!!!
Judas c¥nts both of them
I personally wouldn’t opt for Raylor though he has done his best when called upon. I find him too slow in thought and deed. Hope I am wrong. If he plays on Sunday I am sure he will give 100%, but I would prefer Santon.
Has everyone forgot that Carroll came out with a pack of lies when he left?
He said ‘he had no choice he was forced out’ he sneeked out the back door for big wages (which I have no problem with. But instead of saying it was the contract of a lifetime he was happy to let the fans turn on the club again.
He was happy to see the club ruined as long as he looked OK. I say he should be given a greeting worse than the devil himself. He is a rotter.
Stardust – I actually believe that there was an element of truth in that like. In the sense that I don’t believe Carroll wanted to leave. I could well believe that the club went to Carroll and said “we’ve been offered £35m, pack ya bags, ya leaving”. I don’t believe that board went to him and said “we’ve been offered £35m in CASH for you but we’d really like you to say” for Carroll to reply “feck off, I’m out of here”. The board would have wanted this transfer to go through knowing how beneficial it would be to the club.
He didn’t hand a transfer request in like Bent did to the scum.
I’d far sooner have ex players come back to SJP and see how passionately supportive the fans are and leave thinking “wish I was still there”
Sharpy I sort of agree with you there
Stardy maybe Jabba taught him how to tell lies, so I cant see why you would hold it against as it hasn’t put you off Jabba, But then you never liked Carroll ? sure you didn’t
last season we played nolan just behind carroll
now we are playing
ben arfa====cisse=====ba===
we have massively sorted our striking options out! to be honest i think andy carroll is an average player nowhere near as good as our 3 upfront!! if andy carroll likes it or not alot of fans will boo him!!
Eee I tell ya, car seats for babies are a minefield aren’t they just
Anyway….
Anyone else see that at Sam has an England release clause in his West Ham contract?
Toonsy your pulling my leg about Sam
yeah
Army I don’t think Carroll is an average player mate just not suited to the bin dippers, that like trying to say Torres is an average player
Toonsy@53
re: Big Sam, that’s a corker.
Sharpy, i agree with you on the wanting him to do well (for England anyway), it is always nice to see a local lad succeed.
But it’s the straight lying to the fans, we vilify the board for their past deceit on here, why not the players?
What boils my blood the most is them trying to take advantage of our relationship with the board, they both turned their back on us, fair enough if they wanted more money or that Liverpool were a bigger club, I could accept both of those, but “i was forced out”, “club weren’t showing ambition”, blah blah, are just awful excuses to appease guilliable fans.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12874_6714754,00.html
Sharpy he handed in a transfer request. So he is the same as Bent.
I know it’s claimed that “the board made him do it so they wouldn’t get blamed for the sale”, but it’s not like our board have cared too much about pr relations in the past is it.
Fck it, I think they should be booed, i certainly will at the start of the game anyway, enough ambition for Cabaye/Ben Arfa/Tiote/Cisse etc but not for those two muppets.
Toonsy that is hilarious.
ST Jose said his main reason was that he couldn’t trust the club because they had broke promises they made him. so what lies did he tell
He also said the club wasn’t showing ambition ? which was true
@Trumpet
You really struggle with the basics don’t you.
Barca and Man Utd came in for him was your cry.
My goodness grief Trumpet. You’ve put on your parachute and asked Harry Houdini double check it only to discover that you pulled your cord and you slipped straight out your chute and plummeted like a sack of tatties!
Do you not get the drift that that when Man Utd were showing interest we were potentially looking to topple them.
When SBR was there, he was well past his best and Man Utd were not interested at all. So please speak sense instead of blowing raspberries out your trumpet.
Liverpool can claim success this season all they want, but their owners made it clear that their goal was champions Legaue this year and they are going to fall well short of that.
Stardust at 49. You are right about carroll. He always conviently leaves out the part about trying to use the LPool offer to up his wages despite signing a contract a few months before.
As for Enrique, i don’t see any proof that he leied necessarily, but there is pretty strong evidence that he wasn’t sincere about ever wanting a new deal at the club.
Carroll told the Newcastle Evening Chronicle on Tuesday: “[Managing director] Derek [Llambias] asked me to hand in a transfer request, so I was pushed into a corner and had no choice. I wasn’t wanted by them and they made it clear they wanted the money.
“Then I flew down in [owner Mike Ashley's] helicopter. I didn’t want to leave. I’m gutted that I wasn’t wanted at my home team after everything I have done and the progress I have made. I didn’t want to leave at all. Make sure they know I didn’t want to leave. The players, staff and fans were fantastic.”
At 2.37pm GMT on Monday, Carroll told Wraith he was “not going anywhere”, but by 5pm Carroll had said: “They have kind of said we don’t want u but want me to say I wanna go. And I said I don’t want to go.”
Newcastle claimed that they accepted Liverpool’s £35 million offer after the striker handed in a transfer request, but Carroll said: “No I didn’t that’s what I mean that’s what they wanted me to do and I said no. They said they wanted to accept it.”
Asked if he had no choice but to move to Anfield, he replied: “Looks like it.”
Wraith then asked Carroll if he had “any message you want put across to the fans?” Carroll replied: “They said they wanted the money. Gutted to be leaving Newcastle but I was kind of pushed out the door. Gutted to be leaving my home club but I was practically told to go. Didn’t want to leave that’s why i signed a five-year deal.”
If the club really did “force” carroll out (something i don’t really believe), they should be commended for making one of the best transfer decisions in the club’s history
@Big Dave
Torres is not average he is shit. Carroll is as average as they come he only did well for us because our whole team played to his strengths.
YOUS CAN REASON ALL YOU LIKE ,, ANYONE THAT LEAVES THEIR HOME TOWN CLUB IS JUDAS
CARROLL = JUDAS
@Big Dave, how did they not? Ben Arfa, Tiote and Cabaye all signal ambition
@Troy, never mind, live in your bubble with Barton etc.
Is it just me or does Carroll come across as a helpless child when he gives interviews.
“I didn’t wanna go like” wipes nose “they just pushed me oot”. 
Reporter: “Andy, are you ok? Have you lost your parent club?”
Andy nodds
Reporter: “Did they make you leave?
Andy nodds
Think with the Carroll sale there be 3 sides to. The clubs side , Carrolls side and the truth. And the truth will be a mixture of.both sides.
And I think Nolan has a lot to answer for in my opinion. A club captain should not act in the manner he did.
johno
Nolan was a bellend that was past his play-by-date, have you seen him in the championship, WH fans think he’s great for getting goals but he gets loads of suspensions for the captain of the team, he’s no whre near the player he was for us down there. Have to say though was impressed with how he defended Vuckic when WH played Cardiff and Haris ‘accidentaly’ nailed someone.
Club = Progress
Fans = Regress
ST how did he Lie
As for ambition I think he was mainly talking about the fact that they still hadn’t replaced our main striker
As for Carroll I think Johno hits the nail on the head we have the Clubs side Carroll side and somewhere in the middle will be the truth, add to that that he is a silly youngun and had Nolan his best mate telling him he should go.
To boo or not to boo that is the question?
Enrique – won’t be booing him, players come, players go end of story, but Carroll is a different matter. Shallow greedy little shit, forced out, I don’t think so, he’d just signed a five year contract, nobody could force him out if he did’nt want to go. He buggered off cause of the money.
He very conveniently forgets all about the support he got from the club when he was making virtually weekly appearances in court on one charge or another.
Daglish – Yes cause he’s a t**t.
Andy a big majority of bloggers still thought Nolan was a brill captain even though he talked Carroll into leaving, they only turned on him when he went to the hammers
NOLAN = WANKER … WELL RID …
ST – I still don’t believe the transfer request story, Newcastle is his boyhood club and he has never looked pleased to be away.
The truth is, when they left, the club weren’t showing signs of ambition … a complaint made by almost all fans (if not all). Hindsight is a wonderful thing. But in Carrolls case, I really don’t believe we would be close to 6th spot had we not sold him.
Fans have the right to voice there opinions, whether it be to the board or player (their own or opponents). Personally I don’t like hearing it, as most of the the time it just spurs that particular player on to play better. But mainly because I prefer to focus completely on our 11 players – that’s who I go there to watch and support.
So Robbie you are saying that Torres is a shit striker ?? not that he has just been shit from he moved to Chelski, but overall he is a shit striker
He was shit the half season before he moved to chelsea aswell. The guys who is a striker couldnt finish his dinner so yes he is shit.
form is temporary class is permanent
SHARPY WAKE UP MAN, THE WHOLE REASON WHY CARROLL LEFT IS COS HE WAS DUMB ENOUGH TO SAY HE WANTED TO AND LIVERPOOL WHERE DUMB ENOUGH TO PAY 35 MILL – THE CLUB DECIDED THAT WITH THE 35 MILL WOULD ENABLE THEM TO FULFIL THEIR AMBITION .. IT WAS AMBITION THAT DROVE THE WHOLE DEAL
By your logic Dave, michael owen is a good striker
everyone could see that nolan and barton legs had gone .. anyone that wanted them to stay was blinded by their irrational dislike of ashley and any decision he made …. mainly they disliked ashley cos he was not from the toon and because he made hard decisions and people are not comfortable with change that he instigated …
@Tinpoops
Oh I see. Everyone who leaves their home town club is a wanker.
Beardsley? Waddle? Gascoigne? Clark? Watson? And the rest. All wankers cos they left.
No circumstances taken into consideration.
Where you living at the moment Poopsy?
Be honest
Its great cos Poopsy hasn’t realised he’s left his caps on. Woo hoo hoo hoo.
ahhhhh booooobyyyy took you while to get the nibble but we got there in the end .. ommnn nooomm nooommmnnn MUNCH MUNCH!!!!!!!!! … didnt say ‘wanker’ … you got all befuddled .. i said ‘JUDAS’ .. i live in bogota bonnie lad …. i wasnt being paid 40k a week …
If I may interject there Troy…Waddle is a wanker
Where you living Poopsy? You haven’t left your home town have you?
Waggggga wagggga wooo hoo hoo.
You mean you don’t pay taxes to your beloved country? Judas!
Robbie if your saying that Owen wasn’t a good striker before injuries took their toll, even though up till he left us he had a 1 goal in 2 game ratio ?? and Torres wasn’t a good striker before Chelski well then thats your opinion and I don’t agree with it and I would think most wouldn’t agree with you
So what do you call a good striker
“So what do you call a good striker” ….. Arthur Scargill
boooby you have clearly not been tested over the last few weeks whilst ive been off, as you are below par …. why would i pay taxes? ..
Toonsy-you do make a good point really as, when it comes down to it, Enrique was the one that really fucked us around.
To his credit, Carroll never gave less than 100% for us in every match-I think that’s fair to say-and I think its fair to say he’s not put as much effort in at liverpool. Obviously things haven’t been going as well and morale is an issue and the like, and he does “put himself about” as their fans say, but for me he’s never been as comitted since he left the black and white. Maybe it will come, maybe it won’t.
Still it doesn’t forgive the fact that harped on about local, number 9 future legend blah and then went up and fucked off. Good deal for us, both then and even more so in hindsight, but its still a betrayal.
Enrique on the other hand played poorly for us basically since January when the rumours were circling. I want to turn Liverpool over and finish ahead of them to prove a point to him rather than Carroll. Carroll is getting his money and the like, meanwhile Enrique will hopefully always be in our shadow, and never get that Spain cap but just be left in the shadow because he’s at a crap club, just like Reina
@richie
You base your decision that waddle is a wanker on facts. Not cos he left his home town club.
He’s just generally a wanker.
To be fair to waddle, he was a Sunderland supporter so it was a bad example by me.
The fact he’s a Mackem supporter proves your point.
Poopsy is really struggling though . He’s pooped on his own head.
But you didnt say before he joined chelsea did you? He is a shit striker now fact and i am sure most people would agree with me.
scargill was good, mebs we need a little more socialist principles to get the UK moving again .. devolvement of the government would make people responsible rather than giving them right to moan and whinge .. too much of that gan doon at the moment
Richie @ 84 I agree with you there
Troy…I base everything on facts, or at least my (sometimes warped) interpretation of them
Robbie yeah I did say before Chelski
Big Dave
March 30, 2012 at 19:50(Edit)
So Robbie you are saying that Torres is a shit striker ?? not that he has just been shit from he moved to Chelski, but overall he is a shit striker
Dave…I can’t see many disagreeing
@Poopsy
I’m pleased you’ve turned your CAPS off. It makes you look very silly posting in caps.
I bet if Carroll was being paid £40k he might have thought twice. I didn’t think it was a secret he was on £28k.
Liverpool offer him £80k.
Wow! Judas? Bloody sensible i would suggest.
Anything else Poopsy? I love our jousts . You make me laugh out loud. You and Trumpet are the blogs Cannon and Ball.
You still there Poopsy? Don’t hide.
CAPS = BAIT AND YOU GOBBLE IT RIGHT UP ..
You dont know what CARROLL was being paid, whatever it was, it was quite sufficient and he was going to be a very wealthy individual – that is certain.
Sensible, based economic principles, yes – marginally as would say that to greater or lesser degree he would have been wealthy irrespective of basing his decision on financial return.
judas, yes because he betrayed his local club for money – a marginal amount of money given he probably ha no clue what to do with the extra k he earns and cares for it less.
Fair enough he is still shit, because he was good 2-3 years ago does not make him a good player lol I cant believe you are trying to say Torres is good. The guy is the joke of English football for a reason.
@Poopsy
Oh I see . You fooled us all with your CAPS prank. You little tinker.
and here was everyone calling you a clown as well and all along you were having us over! 
call me cynical but many would suggest you made a bit of a fool of yourself cos you never had a scoobys! 
Woo hoo hoo hoo
And everyone is a Judas who leaves there home town club. Another foolish statement Poopsy.
It was well documented Carroll was on £28k per week and offered £80k by Liverpool.
You can ignore the facts if you wish but you might as reply in CAPS as it will look double foolish.
Get the guitar Gareth.
@Poopsy
It’s my sons birthday tomorrow. I’ve bought loads of sausage balloons. Do you fancy coming round to entertain the kids at his party?
Come dressed per normal in your costume but you will have to leave your clowns shoes at the door for health and safety reasons.
Woo hoo hoo hooo
You there Poopsy?
Troy what age are you? im sure you are older than my 4 year old but yet you still act like him
right here booby .. you are getting sentimental, sorry senile now you’ve gone past the 50 mark .. not as sharp as you used to be … wasted sat in your house now booby, how old is your son? – not jaffa yet tho – hahaha .. carroll is a judas becos you and me would both have happily stayed at the toon for 28k … and hes also judas because i said so – and the toon comes first so f uck him
@Robbie
Close. Just 40 years out fella. I’m 44 and very mature.
I’ve got a phobia of clowns that’s all.
Robbie so who do you call good then ?? and you never answered if a 1 goal in 2 makes Mo a bad striker
booby dont bollox you are well over 50
booby, ive got a serious question .. i think you were probably very good at something … probably could have turned a passion into a living .. but you didnt .. why not?
@Poopsy
I always wanted to make figures and interesting shapes out of sausage balloons but was always rubbish. Could you show me?
So can you explain why you left your hometown?
All the media’s going on about Carroll and Enrique coming back, and what kind of reception they will receive!!
Daglish, himself has been having his say about how the toon army will welcome back Carroll, hes a clever bloke is old Kenny!!!!
Not once has he mentioned HIS time as manager up here, when he single handed tore our team apart, that just needed tinkering in defence, and could of, most prob of, won the premiership!!!
what about his shite expensive signings too??? Marceleno, ha ha what a joke he was!!
So Kenny, if i was you, i’d shut the fuck up about ex players coming back, it’s YOU who should be worried about the fans reaction, because you started our demise as a top team, buying shite after shite for daft money, bringing ya mates in for one last pay cheque.
sorry for going on, but could go on forever, AARRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH…….. off for a few drinks now, enjoy your night folks
no
Of course it does but it does not mean he is a good player now does it.
I would call Messi a good player
kenny dolgeash is a reprobate old timer
@poopsy
Your reasoning is soooo clever. You say, if we were on £28k and playing for my hometown club then we would stay.
First of all, never answer for me cos you will invariably be wrong. We are on totally different wavelengths . I’m on FM and youre on MW.
I would have done exactly what Carroll did in the same circumstances. The club wanted shot cos they wanted the money.
Carroll didn’t feel wanted and was being offered £80k per week to play for a great football club.
No one could have predicted our season would be so successful. Not even you Poopsy.
Troy you say dont speak for you, yet you speak for Carroll and the club. Sort it out will ya.
Toonpipe – I would be able to smell the coffee for the shite your talking bonnylad – and what’s with the capital letters?!
You talk of truth but you don’t know what went on man, as has been said, the truth probably lies somewhere between what the board and Carroll said.
Hate the kid as much as you like, I really don’t see what people get from that as the only person in a worse position is Carroll himself. Hatred is wasted energy in my opinion and I’m a firm believer in karma.
You boo boys knock yourselves out if it makes you feel better, but it will achieve precisely fuck all!!
@Tinpoops
So working on your principle that if you leave your hometown you are a Judas then where does that leave you poops?
Robbie @ 114 “Of course it does” what ?
I never said he is presently a good striker I said he was a good striker 
and again you failed to read what I said
As you well know, i predicted this success from the start .. i made my name doing so.
I live in hexham mate .. was just messing about bogota .. as if i would live in bogota .. wheres that anyway?
Maybe all this was a clever con. We fleece Livershite out of £35m, send in Agent Carroll to fluff loads of goals for them, then resign him for around £5m 2 years later. I should own a football club.
SHARPY .. see you finally woke up .. nice one .. dont hate him .. hes a div .. left the toon when i for one could see great things coming ..
You live in Hexham? Pooh you really are being a prankster tonight Poopsy.
What next? You own Egger?
Now I know where you get your chipboard brain from.
I bet you live on the Priestlands estate .
Nowt wrong with Hexham I’ll add on this subject. I was born there and turned out ok, ish
On a different note….
http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/after-failing-to-score-in-5-games-magdeburg-fans-show-their-players-where-the-goal-is/
@Sharpey
The CAPS were a gaff. He does it quite often. There’s a medical term for it. Clownitiis.
Lol dave mince your words all you like mate you are still full of shit
You there Poopsy
@Toonsy
I remember you. Dontino’s Lothario.
@Robbie
Looks like Dave has you on the ropes to me mind.
Troy – Haha. Pass. Was literally only born there before going back to Crawcrook I believe? Maybe Prudhoe. Dunno, years ago, and I was only young lol
Toonsy you turned out ok ??? well mate everyone is entitiled to their own opinion
Maybe thats what the bin dippers should do for Carroll
Crawcrook – two miles up the road from the stock broker belt of sunny Ryton.
You there Poopsy?
Robbie the only one mincing words is yerself check out all that I have said its up there, its not my fault if you can’t understand
or keep getting things wrong 
dave ban him if you have the bottle
don’t blame em for leaving, enrique because he thought he was joining a club that could challenge for champions league on more money, carroll cos he’s thick as shit and thought he could bully the club into paying him 80k a week
will boo them both because i can and it’s a laugh but not as loudly as i boo daglish
Toonpipe – was putting my little boy to bed, we don’t all have time to talk utter bollox you know
That obviously explains the CAPS then, coz it you saw great things to come from Carroll your eyesight is clear shot.
Carroll is and always was a one trick pony – an ariel presence with nee pace. He hadn’t scored for about 6-7 games before we sold him and wouldn’t fit into our current starting 11.
He was overrated, he had played a full season in the EPL. He clearly wasn’t in Pardews long term plans for the style of football he wanted to play and to get £35m was just unbelievable and probably allow the club to get head of itself by 2-3 years.
Boo him, hate him, think he’s a div – I’m not trying to tell you your wrong and trying to understand which it all achieves?
As for myself, I’d give em both some jeers like. They don’t play for us. They’re not helping us win games or score goals, therefore they’ll get jeered. Unless they got injured or something, in which case I’d still applaud them no matter what (well almost… I’d never applaud Nigel De Jong, that rusty cnut).
How’s you lads doin’ today? I’m happy to finally have a job that lets me post on here again.
Batty @ 134
@Sharpey
Mind I’ve got to say you accuse Poopsy of talking utter bollocks but your assessment of Carroll is butter Horlicks as well.
OH
@O’Hurley
Gypsy street brawls is not a job man.
Im all for booing Dalglish like.
Troy – I don’t see how?! but I’m happy to discuss.
I was educated at Ryton Comprehensive, born Winlaton Mill then moved up to Winlaton at 3 til 26 when the wife talked me into moving to Great Lumley. My mam still lives in Winlaton like, I go over and see her now and again but all the neighbours come out and shout “fecking judas”
Sharpy
“fecking judas” 
Thanks Dave
Well Sharpy you turned your back on your hometown for the love of a good woman
thats not as bad 
Dave – about 20mins down the A1 to be honest and I don’t remember saying anything about love mate … No, I’ve read it back and I defo said I moved for the wife!
@Sharpey
I dont see anything wrong in moving on if circumstances dictate. It’s Tinpoops who was calling people a Judas for doing so.
About Carroll. Your blatant lack of ability in identifying a good striker is evident tonight when you class Carroll as a one trick pony.
Far from it. He is a class centre forward who needs the team to play to his strengths. Good footwork, great with head head, holds the ball up and can terrorise the oppositions defence.
Must get some kip but will answer any queries in the morning.
Tinpoops & Trumpet will come on now that I’ve gone like the brave little troopers they are.
Tinpoops & Trumpet ! Class ! It could be the title of a kids programme!
alreet lads hows it going on? not long now til liverpool , cant wait !! 3 points and we go 11 points infront of them with 7 games left which should surely seal at least 6th place which to me is an unreal season !! what i got to keep reminding myself is we only came up from the championship 2 seasons ago!! HWTL
Troy ya crackers mate
Troy – when did I ever suggest he wasn’t a good striker?
I said he was an ariel threat with no pace and was overrated – which at £35m is hard to argue against I’d have thought like. I’ve never called him a bad striker but I don’t think he’s as good as Ba or Cisse.
Let’s be right, Liverpool didn’t have any competition when it came to signing him.
Carroll is good at what he does but unless you have wide men crossing the ball in for him your never going to get the absolute best from him.
He only had 6 months playing in the EPL and was still unproven, I’d have said £10-15m for him at the time – £35m was bonkers.
Bedtime now though mate, happy to continue tomorrow if you have further points to make though.
Sleepwell all
Sharpy-
I’m enjoying your posts, mate. Always talkin’ sense like. AC clearly wouldn’t fit into our current team. Could any one really see HBA linking up well with big Andy? That would be the premier league joke of the century right there. I’m chuffed to bits to see the back of that lad and the front of 35mil. Wasn’t so much at the time, but now I’d have to say that that was the shrewdest bit of business I’ve yet seen from ANY club in the prem. Almost makes me wanna give Ashley a high five lol…
Troy-
How’s u, mate? Long time no see! I trust you’ve been keepin’ the wheels of the reality train all nice and greased up?
@Sharpey
To judge Carroll against his price tag is ridiculous.
No one is ever going to suggest he’s a £35m player. They were very circumstances which led to the inflated price tag.
If Torres hadn’t been sold for £50m then Liverpool would not have paid that much, in fact, the Toon wouldn’t have sold him.
Is he better than Ba and Cisse? So far, I would suggest Ba and Cisse may be more clinical in front of goal but Carroll brings more to team play.
Don’t get over excited yet about Ba and Cisse. For me, there’s a big question mark over whether they are too similar. Very early days.
I would take Carroll back at the drop of a hat for a realistic price. £10m.
@O’Hurley
I normally hibernate for a few weeks in March. I dig a hole in the woods and cover myself in leaves and foliage with a few weeks supply of monster munch and wait for the weather to improve. It’s been that warm lately I’ve surfaced early and I’ve only eaten half my crisps.
How’s you?
Troy…the quotes toward the end of this article suggest Carroll looked pardew in the eye (in the eye no less) & said he wanted out. Doesn’t sound like forced to me?!?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2123080/Alan-Pardew-wants-unleash-Cheik-Tiote-Liverpool.html?
I see Troy has been keeping every 1 in check
we have a very busy 10 days coming up
Carroll will be wearing a Liverpool shirt tomorrow, his choice and needs to deal with it, when he left it almost dropped us in the shite which some fans seem to forget about.
If booing him puts him off his game, then good, 3 points for us is far more important than hurting the feelings of a millionaire.
Troy you honestly need to read people’s posts before assuming what they said.
I don’t blame either of the players for their moves, they got a huge pay increase and are playing for one of the worlds biggest clubs.
But it’s disgusting the way both of them tried to spin it to blame the club when really both of them wanted out. You thinking anything else shows how you let your sh!t tinted glasses forever get in the way of the truth.
You still haven’t answered the query: Why were we showing enough ambition to convince Cabaye, Tiote, Ben Arfa etc to move here? But not enough for Barton and Enrique… Don’t you think that shows them up as pretty daft?
The way you try and condescend to me and toon pipes… when you think Carroll is better than Ba. Senile!
@Witters, I bet troy doesn’t even acknowledge that post, don’t think he ever does when it goes against it false beliefs.
Any fans that believe Carroll was forced out are the same gullible fans that believe Barton moved because the club weren’t showing enough ambition; so he went to QPR
Zamora > Ba sure.. $$$
What confuses me is that a lot of people have a go at Nolan for the transfer, why is that? People say that he advised Carroll to leave, but that would mean Carroll asked for advice and wasn’t pushed out surely?
Good to see Harper is looking to get more into coaching in the Journal this morning.
Would be great to have him as a player-coach next season
Morning people – another miserable saturday with nee toon game to follow
Morning Troy – I’m not judging Carroll on his price tag, I’m judging him on his record in the EPL so far. Ba and Cisse are far more clinical and if they are to similar then great we have 2 clinical strikers (though I’m not too sure Ba will still be with us next season). Carroll is a centre forward and needs to be scoring goals first and foremost. Emile Heskey built a career on ” bringing so much more to the team” but I think Carroll is better than that.
I remember the goal he scored against arsenal for us, the head that won the game. There was no one else getting that ball, he was strong and determined and would break his neck to get on the end of it for us.
I don’t see that in him now at Liverpool, which is another reason I don’t think he forced the sale.
We do agree on one thing though Troy, I would also have him back at a sensible fee
Anyone else realize that if Everton beat WBA, and we beat the bindippers tomorrow, liverpool will be 8th!
Sorry this comment doesn’t have much to do with the article but is too funny not to post http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2122116/FC-Magdeburg-fans-point-giant-arrows-players-goal–video.html
Great fans! Makes a change from booing your own players I suppose!
I don’t really see it the same way around as in the article. Judas was led astray by his scouse mate and a shyster agent but at the end of the day he walked of his own free will for money and bling. Screw him.
It was sad to see Jose go but he played out his contract to the last year and lived through all the worst of the early Ashley years. After all the howling over how stupid, imoral and deceitful the club had been, are we really going to slag a guy off because he’d had enough and wanted out?
Whumpie….”are we really going to slag a guy off because he’d had enough and wanted out?”…hypocritical it maybe, but damn right
Jill….maybe Liverpool and Chelsea should try that approach with AC and Torres
Richietoon @ 169
@trumpet
I will reply shortly but I’m watching young Chip Stavers play footy at the mo and my sausage fingers are frozen.
@Trumpet
Late reply but better than never.
When a club gets offered £35m for your services and the club tell you they want to accept it then I’m very sure that Carroll looked Pardew in the eyes and told them he wanted to leave.
I’m just as sure that he told them earlier, prior to the £35m bid being accepted, that he wanted to stay but wanted to discuss a pay increase .
He was told that they wouldn’t entertain it.
I call that being cornered and thats exactly how Carroll describes it.
You really are do look at life thru a pinhole don’t you.
… Firstly “You still haven’t answered the query: Why were we showing enough ambition to convince Cabaye, Tiote, Ben Arfa etc to move here? But not enough for Barton and Enrique… Don’t you think that shows them up as pretty daft?”
Secondly, think we’re going to forever differ on what we believe happened. The story portrayed as it happens was:
Bids of 25 and 30 million are offered and rejected
Andy Carroll hands in a transfer request.
Bid of 35 million accepted.
Carroll “forced” (in his own words) to accept contract offer.
If you believe that I think you are blinded by your past hate of the board. Too many questions arise from Carroll’s story.
Why the transfer request?
If the board were intent on ‘cashing in’ they would’ve have jumped at the chance at 30 million.
Don’t you think if they wanted to sell they wouldn’t have risked turning down those huge sums?! The CLUB were backed into a corner (a bloody amazing one at that), of a player handing in a transfer request, so you have a player wanting out, or 35 million.
I would love to hear how you speculative version of events went, it’s going to be hilarious to read you explain how the club forced Carroll to hand in a transfer request. Ahh yes, they did it so they wouldn’t get blamed by the fans for him moving, because our board care so much about what fans think when taking their decisons
@Trumpet
Absolute rubbish. The transfer request did not go in until the bid was accepted. Everyone knows that but you.
So the rest of your theory is irrelavent because you miss the most important issue.
As far as the other players being brought to the club and the experienced ones leaving, simply tells you that the experienced ones had fallen victim to the many lies the club had spouted one too many times.
It’s far easier to persuade someone who doesn’t know past history.
You really are clueless beyond belief.
Why would a transfer request be put in if the offer was already accepted?!
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12874_6714754,00.html
There is my source. Where is yours?
Name me a lie that Barton or Enrique were subjected to? As you completely overlook each time; Barton/Enrique/Nolan all said the club weren’t showing ambition. Why were the new players happy with the ambition… errrm because it’s the old players that were lying!
Bored of your trolling now.
@Trumpet
Derek [Llambias] asked me to hand in a transfer request, so I was pushed into a corner and had no choice. I wasn’t wanted by them and they made it clear they wanted the money.
@Trumpet
You prefer to believe proven liars over a player who wanted to play for the Toon but was forced out.
I don’t recall Carroll being accused of lying to the fans by an independent tribunal.
Keep viewing life thru a pin hole Trumpet.
Ah yes the old “once a liar always a liar” mantra, I view each case independently.
Haha your “source” is the player himself. Priceless.
Good good, that already makes your post @ 174 void.
I believe the sky sports reports. So you concede that the bid was accepted after the transfer request
Next, why would Llambias force Carroll to put in a transfer request
If you can come up with a single viable explanation I will be surprised.
Final argument to put the nail in your laughable arguments for him being forced out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTo6bEGDA9M
Ahh bless, he looks devastated.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1352920/Kevin-Nolan-backs-Andy-Carroll-reach-35m-switch.html
Why would he ask Nolan for his advice if he had no choice!!!!!!!!
Time for common sense yet Troy? Why would they risk rejecting 30 million if they wanted to sell him
C’mon Trolly, just give it up now, you never have even a semblance of decent argument in you, just taunts and random remarks.
You STILL have yet to answer how the players we signed saw ambition but others didn’t
We’d signed 5 players (and Tiote/Ben Arfa the previous summer), that managed to see the ambition.
Didn’t you used to be someone that hawked on about the “wage cap”? So why would these players come to a club with a wage cap with no ambition
I’ve asked a number of questions Troy, for once it would be nice if you answered them rather than whooping and going off on irrelevant tangents. I’ve even used the little emotican so you don’t miss them, there’s FIVE i’m waiting for answers for…
ST why would Llambias force Carroll to put in a transfer request
but to accept it and sell him 
Maybe to make them look as if they had no choice
As for the 5 player apart from Tiote and Benny who are the other 3
Still a few other questions you’ve chosen to miss
So those hungry for PR board members of ours thought “oh, wouldn’t want to ruin our good reputation with the fans, better make sure we make Andy Carroll put in a transfer request”
Ahh makes sense now…
So they managed to make big, strong geordie Carroll put in a transfer request against his will? Why didn’t they force ‘walkover’ Chrissy H resign rather than sack him if they were so concerned with how they were going to be perceived?
Doesn’t really add up does it…
Erm, Abeid/Cabaye/Ba/Marveaux/Obertan were all signed before Enrique and Barton left.
@Trumpet
You choose to ignore that Ashley and Lambias were accused to lying to the tribunal and in effect the fans and the players. I believe it’s very important and when I hear Carroll giving his account then I prefer to believe him.
I really wish you would read my previous posts instead of accusing me of not answering questions. I have already stated that the players were lied to and false promises were made and therefore did not trust them. Bonuses were withheld, the Carroll money was not reinvested and targets were not bought.
It is far easier to convince players who don’t know the history of the clubs recent past to join us.
Why did they turn down £30m if they wanted to sell him. They knew Liverpool wanted a striker to replace Torres and had £15m burning a hole in their pocket. They knew they were going to prize it out of them.
Wow. Why would he ask Nolan for advice if he had no choice? Wow. Do you really not consider that he is making the decision of a lifetime.
He is being told that the club want to accept the £35m and weren’t interested in negotiating any kind of wage increase. I think at 20 years old, I would be asking the club captain and best friend as well.
You may struggle with that concept Trumpet as you would struggle to find a best friend I would imagine.
£50m burning a hole rather.
Abied Marv and Obertan arnt really top signing, as for Cabaye and Ba like the others came after Carroll and Jose had allready made his mind up to go so it doesn’t really stand up as showing ambition.
Yeah we can say we think their showing ambition but its a bit late to show Carroll and Jose ? no
@Big Dave
Ba was considered a crock as well and was desperate to get a club. I wouldn’t imagine it took much to convince him to join us.
Trumpets blowing raspberries again.
Torres fee was agreed after Carroll was sold.
I didn’t choose to ignore it. It is irrelevant to Carroll lying.
What targets weren’t bought?
It’s funny that these “false promises” were only mentioned by players that have left the club for better things, sorry bigger wages. Troy you are like Barton, constantly talking a lot of hot air but when push comes to shove, you have nothing to back up anything you are saying.
Like Barton with his “soon enough the truth will come out” tweets, all talk no substance.
Where are your sources? Only a few hours ago you stated that the transfer request was after the offer was accepted
If he had no choice in the transfer how could he ask someone for advice! Christ. Utter drivel.
@Dave
Ahh surprised you didn’t show up earlier to give Troy’s ring a good seeing to!
1) Not enough ambition for Carroll? We get promoted and sign Tiote and HBA.
2) Carroll leaves us in the lurch with less than a day to replace, transfer window opens and we start signing players, why isn’t this good enough for Enrique? (Clue: $$$) How can you make up your mind on a clubs ambition without even getting to the transfer window?!
3) Do you think we are a “selling club”?
4) Do you think the 4 players that left us last year are all on much bigger wages than they were here by any chance? For two guys with a combined age of 100 you must be the most naiive on here!
Enjoy your contradictions lads, careful you don’t float away in your hot air balloons.
Troy its not my opinion but you could say that Cabaye mightn’t have seen us as a club showing ambition but just a prem shop window
ST @Dave
Ahh surprised you didn’t show up earlier to give Troy’s ring a good seeing to!
what exactly is that supposed to mean ST ? please explain
Can you not have a debate without lowering yourself to school kid shit
As for ” For two guys with a combined age of 100 you must be the most naiive on here!”
I see your still getting on like an arrogant smart ass that thinks thier always right
Maybe Carroll had a clause that would have entitled him to a percentage of any fee negotiated if he didn’t hand in a transfer request?
Just a thought.
It would explain why the club might put pressure on him (‘force’ is probably too strong a word really) to hand in a transfer request.
Pootle you’re always up at odd hours man
@Trumpet
I’m loving this debate. It’s like watching the Mackems getting drubbed 5-1 all over again.
You say;
The Torres fee wasn’t agreed until after the Carroll transfer went thru.
Wow! You really are eating berries from a thorny bush without having giraffe lips!
Do you really believe that Liverpool would have paid £35m for Carroll without the reassurance of having agreed a fee for Torres?
Regarding you not choosing to ignore Ashley and Lambias were proved to have lied to the tribunal, Kevin Keegan and the fans, shows a great deal of nativity by believing them over Carroll this time.
No one is suggesting that they physically forced Carroll to leave, which is what I’m beginning to believe you think we believe happened. (just based on your previous naive ramblings).
He has said, the management refused point blank that they would not discuss contract increases until the summer. Yet, Liverpool were offering him £80k per week. They told him they wanted to accept £35m but wanted him to put a transfer request in.
Do you not see why clubs do that?
Liverpool and Newcastle would have agreed the fee and it would have been in both both clubs interest that he submits a transfer request. That nullifies any signing on fee and comoensation clauses. At that stage, Carroll knew he wasnt wanted and had made his mind up to go and to prevent any legalalites and disputes over compensation from the Toon then he went. No doubt Liverpool would have agreed to pay the compensation on behalf of the Toon if Carroll submitted a request. It was in the interest of all 3 parties to do so.
Do you understand football at all Trumpet?
You mention false promises were revealed after the players left. What are they supposed to do? Blow their trumpets like you and fall foul of those who pay their wages yet lie to them. :-/
It’s my role on here to stop you influencing the even more naive bloggers as you may corrupt their minds with complete drivel.
I’m sure you will give up shortly as this is getting embarrassing for you now.
Is that the last post I can hear you playing on your trumpet?
There’s something of the night about me, Toonsy.
Troy actually that middle bit about compensation clauses etc was what I was gently alluding to. But smacking it home works just as well!!
If Ashley wanted to he could have said ‘hand in a request or there’ll be no pay increase for the rest of your contract and you’ll spend most of the time in the reserves’.
I’m not saying that’s what actually happened, but just pointing out that pretending Ashley was somehow a weak victim of circumstance or was not in a position to apply pressure on Carroll is ridiculous.
I’m sure the truth lies somewhere between both versions of what happened.
As far as I’m aware the Torres deal was being finalised and the medical arranged at the time the deal for Carroll was agreed.
So I’m pretty sure all the clubs knew what was being talked about as far as fees go in both deals.
I would like to join in the above shenanigans, but in all honesty, the truth, hows, why’s and wherefores will most likely never be known fully. So its all kinda pointless guys.
The Bottom line is AC left one way or another and JE had already made up his mind he would go if he got a better offer.
Fuckem both I say. Their loss in the end.
As fans and supporters of NUFC, we just have to take it on the chin and go and buy another shirt.
The bullshit surrounding these types of deals have been going on for decades, get over it and move on.
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