Has N'Zogbia moved on to bigger and better things?

I was having this discussion with Marktoon in the pub the other night, mainly because I caught a couple of people talking about it on here.

Basically it was a discussion about players who have left Newcastle United, and of those players, which ones have gone on to bigger and better things.

To be honest it was a remarkably hard question to answer as I couldn’t think of many, plus there are many definitions when it comes to trying to ascertain just what bigger and better things are. Whether it’s more money, more trophies, playing for a bigger team or how you view any of them will determine the answers, so other people may basically say that one player has gone on to better things due to a larger paycheck while someone else may say that the same players hasn’t as he personally has done nothing with his career.

You see what I mean? It really is a hard one, but lets try and see just who people think has gone onto better things after leaving United.

The one that springs to mind is Scott Parker. the media favourite is now a starting fixture in the Tottenham side, but lets not forget he went to West Ham and was part of a team that got them relegated first. Yes he’s one on to greater things, but it’s been a roundabout way of doing it.

James Milner I suppose you could say has gone on to greater things, if you class a bench warming role at Manchester City that. I’m sure his bank balance has increased, but I can’t help but feel that he is over-rated. People will point towards that season at Aston Villa where he scored a load of goals, but the vast majority of them were penalties lets not forget.

Shay Given left and went to Manchester City before doing the reverse of James Milner and ending up and Aston Villa. He is now a goalkeeper of a mid-table team at best. Has he gone on to greater things?

How about Charles N’Zogbia, now at Aston Villa after a spell at Wigan? He sulked away from us, and Wigan, and now he is doing much the same at Villa. He never quite made it to Arsenal then? has he gone on to better things?

You see my point? Not many players who leave United go on to better things. They may earn more cash and have a bigger bank balance or another Ferrari as a result, but on a professional level they never really seem to replicate the kind of level of performance level of playing that they reached with us, barring a couple of exceptions.

Perhaps a sobering thought or those players who have even half a thought of cashing in their chips and moving on to “better” things?

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231 Comments

  1. 1
    icedog says:

    aye up to this time i bet judas will be thinking that,as much as i hate to say it for a lot money makes the world go round for most people :sad:

  2. 2
    funkyjesus says:

    Fair points for all the players but Michael Owen has a several winners medals with Man Utd, as do Jose Enrique and Andy Carroll. On the whole, however, players don’t do amazing things when they leave.

    My main concern again is how it influences our team, not those players. It’s all well them struggling when they leave but if we struggle when they leave also, then it’s all a waste.

    I hope the club have identified some “expendable” players and lean to getting rid of them first before others, that way we can make money and have a plan as opposed to selling to the first big sum that arrives for whoever.

  3. 3
    Toon@Jer says:

    If loan players are counted in this discussion, then Giuseppi Rossi. We had him for half a season, unfortunately unable to give him games. Look where he is now. :shock:

  4. 4
    beardoschin says:

    Again if your counting loan players then Louis Saha

  5. 5
    Mags says:

    Andy Cole :roll:

  6. 6
    Newkie says:

    Sheffield Wednesday go 2-0 up asNile Ranger latches on to a defensive error by Tom Clarke and races through on goal before finishing with aplomb into the bottom corner

    :shock: :shock: :shock:
    :lol:

  7. 7
    Newkie says:

    Mags-I guess the point remains though, whilst he actually one stuff and got more money at Manure he never became the hit many assumed he would be, and played second fiddle to numerous other strikers there. Still, I would class it as “bigger and better”

    Its an interesting article…hopefully our current bunch take note eh ;-)

  8. 8
    SolanosTrumpet says:

    COME ON you filthy mackems! Keep our champs league dream alive!

  9. 9
    Charlietoon says:

    I am sure Owen will tell you he has gone onto bigger and better things but then again he tells everyone who will listen he is not injury prone so I would not listen to him too much.

  10. 10
    SolanosTrumpet says:

    Absolutely beasting tackle by Gardner to stop Bale through on goal.

  11. 11
    Newkie says:

    Fckin mackems drew on purpose I tells ya :lol:

  12. 12
    Simon says:

    If it ends up a draw and Bale out for a bit, could still endup helping us out

  13. 13
    richietoon says:

    Not too bad, closed 2 points on Spurs and 2 even further ahead than the scum…….Howay Wigan :mrgreen:

  14. 14
    SolanosTrumpet says:

    Tottenham have only won 1 in their last 7 :shock:

    Lets hope they can keep this form up, they’ve got the FA Cup to distract them, though probably the easiest fixtures out of the four teams.
    That said they play 3 teams fighting for their lives who are bound to see Tottenham struggling for confidence and have a bit of belief that they can do damage.

  15. 15
    richietoon says:

    *ahead of the scum* :oops:

  16. 16
    Newkie says:

    Simon-was Bale actually injured?

  17. 17
    AngelOfDeath says:

    Congratulations to @FraseForster League winners medal won, deal to join #Celtic surely going to be made permanent

    ;-) :???:

  18. 18
    Simon says:

    Thought he was at fist Newkie, but he did come back on. Was just hoping he might be out for a couple of games

  19. 19
    SolanosTrumpet says:

    HAHAHA

  20. 20
    SolanosTrumpet says:

    Villa beating the scousers!

    Who said that angel?

  21. 21
    AndrewT says:

    ST, that’s just pathetic now from LOLerpool. Will Kenny get sacked soon?

  22. 22
    Newkie says:

    Simon-Shame :???:
    Still apparently they were quite flat though I didn’t watch the match. As long as our flat matches keep being 2-0 and theirs are 0-0 then i’m fine with that :grin:

    Solano-Aye true that, just hope their goalie isn’t to blame for it, we need him to be a star so that the bastards can beat everton :???:

  23. 23
    kimtoon says:

    Dippers loseing again :oops: :oops:

  24. 24
    M says:

    hopefully they’ll replace him with Steve Bruce :lol:

  25. 25
    SolanosTrumpet says:

    Sh!t didn’t think about that newkie. So annoyed our season may be lying in enrique and carroll’s hands.
    Usually though KD seems to be able to rev up the troops for the “big games”, like against Everton and Man Utd, so hopefully that’ll be the case again. I think it just shows he relies on motivation without any actual tactical knowledge.

  26. 26
    stevep says:

    Decent result and the fact that Bale may be out for a bit could help us, just need Wigan to get something from Chelsea and a Man city win tomorrow and we’re all set for our assault

    good to see liverpool getting beaten at home as well ( not that it maters from a league perspective )

  27. 27
    Jon R says:

    West Brom only 3 points behind the dippers now. How sweet would it be for Hodgson to finish above them!

  28. 28
    Beardsleys Boots says:

    Great save Al Habsi :lol:
    howay the Latics.
    0-0 @ HT :mrgreen:

  29. 29
    Beardsleys Boots says:

    Jon R – I would love that to happen to them racist twats.

  30. 30
    Newkie says:

    Solano-yeah I think that’s definitely the case. Somehow he pulls it out of the bag for the big games, hopefully the players will respond. After all, winning the cup is the only way they can make this a successful reason really.

  31. 31
    SolanosTrumpet says:

    Jon R I would love that.

    Just thinking about it though, i actually think the owners should give him time, as bad as he is, they have said they are rebuilding so they should stick to their statement and rebuild, chopping and changing managers during this means a new manager wanting new players and just makes the whole process messy.
    I’d respect their board a lot more if they came out saying why they were sticking by dogleash than Chelsea giving it the big one about rebuilding then bottling it as soon as the going got tough.

  32. 32
    Jon R says:

    @Beardsley: Me too mate. From a purely vindictive standpoint, this season is going perfectly. Liverpool playing shit, Joey Barton getting relegated, Fat Sam’s West Ham looking like they’ll have to chance it in the play-offs.

  33. 33
    AndrewT says:

    I’ve said it once and I’ll day it again, Clint Dempsey would be a massive acquisition over the summer, especially of we get into Europe.

    He’ll also be massive when the Dembas go to the ACoN again next year

  34. 34
    AngelOfDeath says:

    I hope the club would put a bid for Charlie Mulgrew from celtic,or a part exchange for forster.

    would be good LB. :grin:

  35. 35
    Newkie says:

    Chelsea 1-0 :???:

  36. 36
    AngelOfDeath says:

    part exchange with forster going there,Mulgrew coming to us.

  37. 37
    Beardsleys Boots says:

    bastad chelsea score, just as Torres comes on :evil:
    dodgy offside goal n al :evil:

  38. 38
    funkyjesus says:

    Mulgrew is going nowhere. I remember suggesting him about 2 or 3 years ago on the old BBC 606 forum aswell as these blogs and people didn’t even know who he was.

    You’d all shit a brick over him anyway if you all think Perch, Williamson and Simpson aren’t good enough. Best set piece man in Britain though.

  39. 39
    AngelOfDeath says:

    Clearly 2yards offside,criminal decision. :evil:

  40. 40
    kimtoon says:

    Chelsea goal 5 yds offside apparently, typical. shame on the officials ,that does nowt for us or poor Wigan . :evil:

  41. 41
    Beardsleys Boots says:

    how can the linesman not give that ffs :evil:

  42. 42
    AngelOfDeath says:

    There was actually about three Chelsea players offside.

    CRAP,That referee should be sack on spot. :evil:

  43. 43
    kimtoon says:

    Andrew @33 Agree with that .

  44. 44
    Beardsleys Boots says:

    get in Wigan 1-1

  45. 45
    Newkie says:

    WWWWWWIIIIIIIIIGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN :mrgreen:

  46. 46
    Dubtoon says:

    What a fecking goal!!!

  47. 47
    Beardsleys Boots says:

    bastad suarez equalised :evil:

  48. 48
    kimtoon says:

    Nice one WIGAN

  49. 49
    Dubtoon says:

    Fck me almost got a tap in at the back post too

  50. 50
    Beardsleys Boots says:

    wigan owning chelsea now. come on

  51. 51
    richietoon says:

    BB…we need Liverpool to get a bit of confidence back for the cup game ;-)

  52. 52
    funkyjesus says:

    I don’t care what Liverpool do in the league now, I can’t say any realistic way they can catch us now.

    If anything, we need them to do well to get ready for the cup match.

  53. 53
    Beardsleys Boots says:

    bolton losing 3-0 now.
    Manager of month curse.
    I hope Pardew doesn’t get one ;-)

  54. 54
    Johno Toon says:

    Richie @ 51 , I have a feeling we wont need Liverpool to get to the final :)

  55. 55
    Beardsleys Boots says:

    a kna Richie, but I hate suarez is all. :evil:

  56. 56
    richietoon says:

    Johno…agree but it would be nice to have that safety net ;-)

    BB…aye me too :evil:

  57. 57
    toonsoldier9 says:

    frank clarke, peter withe, super mac, terry mcdermott, ronnie simpson all went on to better things!! but i dont have enough time to write down the money grabbing twats who only went for the money :evil: :evil: by the way, happy easter andy carroll and enrique ;-) ;-)

  58. 58
    Newkie says:

    fucking wigan fools! why did they go for it

  59. 59
    kimtoon says:

    Torres you fecking get :evil:

  60. 60
    richietoon says:

    feck :evil:

  61. 61
    Jon R says:

    Arghhhhh ffs :evil:

  62. 62
    Beardsleys Boots says:

    grrrrr :evil:

  63. 63
    Dubtoon says:

    BB @53 – don’t dare to think what would happen if he won manager of the season :shock: :shock:

  64. 64
    kimtoon says:

    Mata not Torres :oops:

  65. 65
    Newkie says:

    ref gifting Chelsea points, tired of this shit :evil:

  66. 66
    Dubtoon says:

    Swings and roundabouts newkie. Not worth getting upset over. It’s annoying of course but we got it last week. A lot of footy still to be played yet

  67. 67
    kimtoon says:

    Newkie @65- Teams like Chelski ,Arsenal and Manure always get the benefit of the doubt it seems. So many times you see struggling teams get mugged by them and the ref come the end of the season. Forget us for a minute how will those dropped points effect Wigans battle to stay up and on a day when they played so well apparently. It’s wrong that refs hold so much power when so much rest on it .

  68. 68
    Beardsleys Boots says:

    Di Mateo will get manager of Month for April. :twisted:

  69. 69
    funkyjesus says:

    Apparently BOTH Chelsea goals were offside.

    I want an investigation for match fixing.

  70. 70
    kimtoon says:

    Funky @69- one mistake by a ref is bad but two is reckless borderline suspicious :shock:

  71. 71
    Newkie says:

    Dubtoon-true, but we seem to get luck when it doesn’t matter so much, we could have beaten Liverpool 1-0 regardless eh ;-)

    Kimtoon-Completely agree with you. Many a Premier League supporter goes on about the joke that is Italian/Spanish football for ref decisions and the like, but England is just as bad, they need to be much more accountable for their shocking decisions rather than defended to the hilt by the F.A regardless of whether they’re wrong or right.

  72. 72
    Dubtoon says:

    Newkie – aye, all good as long as we beat chelsea i say ;-)

  73. 73
    Beardsleys Boots says:

    the Fulham v chelsea match on monday should be interesting.
    Dempsey now on 15 goals for the season.
    Also Spuds v Norwich will be tough.
    We still have a chance. :lol:

  74. 74
    Sharpy17 says:

    I have to be honest. If a player has given his all while he has been with Newcastle but decide they want to move on – whatever the reason, then they leave with my blessing.
    I’m pretty settled in my current job having been there 7 yrs now, but I had a good few different jobs before settling at this one. That said, if someone came along and offered me a job better than the one I’m doing now then there’s a fair old chance im taking it like.

    It’s up to us to be a stable football club, playing good football and competing for things to not only make it difficult for players to leave but will also attract players to our club.
    It really wouldn’t surprise me if we have agents ringing on a daily basis telling Pardew that players they represent would be interested in playing for Newcastle.

  75. 75
    Newkie says:

    Dubtoon-aye, revenge for what happened at our place. Now there’s a match we was robbed of… :mrgreen:

    Beardlsey-should be a good match aye. Spurs’ remaining matches are dead easy though, okay they might be fighting against relegation strugglers who want to fight for it but as long as they play adequately they’ll be fine…shame

    For CL we need Arsenal and Chelsea to nosedive and city to be out of the race so they give us 3 points at the end….too much to ask methinks :sad:

  76. 76
    Troy Stavers says:

    Enrique and Carroll have won a league cup medal within less than a season of leaving us.

    Is that success? :shock:

  77. 77
    Beardsleys Boots says:

    Newkie – you’re right of course.
    Thanks for borstin me bubble like :evil:
    Looks like we will just have to make do with 6th then.

  78. 78
    Newkie says:

    Beardsley :mrgreen:
    I just feel the need to keep calm, it would be just like some NUFC fans to start screaming for Pards head or claiming our players are shite if we don’t manage to get Champions League now or something….
    Fifth is still within reason, the Chelsea game being crunch time….Arsenal well, they’re due a collapse?

    Meh, I’d just like Europa League, be really disappointing if liverpool mug us out of that :cry:

  79. 79
    Dubtoon says:

    Newkie/ BB – longshot of course but spuds are looking shaky and might be getting complacent and focusing on FA Cup? Could Harry have lost the desire or the room? Chelsea are grinding out results without playing too well which is a worry, but if they don’t start to play better, it gets very difficult to grind game after game. I found something Mata said after the match very telling. Was talking about the big matches they have coming up in the FA and CL; not a thought of the PL or their match against fulham.

    A longshot, but we’ve given ourselves a chance none of us could’ve dreamed of

  80. 80
    icedog says:

    just keep calm lads dont worry about other teams its down to us i never expect favours from other teams,but dont expect better than 5th imo,we will get there ;)

  81. 81
    Dubtoon says:

    Agree with you Ice. Personally think don’t expect better than 6th, and anything higher is a bonus even at this stage. What we’ve done with the last few games though is put our fate in our own hands regarding europe. We win out and we’re in europa at worst. Not likely to happen mind but you know what I’m getting at ;-)

  82. 82
    funkyjesus says:

    Our entire season rides of Liverpool getting to the FA Cup final in my opinion.

    I doubt we will be allowed to finish ahead of Chelsea, so we need 6th to be a Europa League spot.

  83. 83
    Newkie says:

    Dubtoon-Its true, I don’t think Spurs are going to replicate the kind of form they’ve shown for most of the season, but with the matches they have imo they’ll get over the line easily enough. As Ice said-destiny is in our own hands when it comes to Chelsea. Last year we drew with them both games and beat them 4-3 in the carling cup, who knows? Fifth is a decent shout, but for Champions League imo Arsenal will have to completely crumble…Van Persie getting crocked would be a start like :cool: can’t believe he’s going to make a full season it seems… :x

  84. 84
    Toon@Jer says:

    Put it this way, Liverpool received around 100,000 pounds reward, a flashy trophy and a place in the Europa League for winning the Carling Cup. If we stay in 6th or better it, we have the potential to earn 1,600,000 pounds more than Liverpool and gain a place in the Europa League without a flashy trophy ( granted that the FA cup is between Liv and Chelsea/Tottenham). In this modern time of football, success is usually measured by the money the club racks in per season. Everyone wants to qualify for the Champions League because of its lucrative benefits. That’s why most of the clubs would rather qualify for the Champions League rather than win the Carling cup or even the FA cup. So, I don’t think Enrique or Carroll would see the Carling cup as a genuine success, but rather a medal of honor to commend their hard work in dusting Liverpool’s trophy cabinet :grin:

  85. 85
    DJG says:

    Chelsea got lucky today but I still think we will give them a good run for 5th spot. The game at Stamford bridge probably crucial. They have 3 huge games as well as the league so how will their ageing squad cope with that, all the pressure is on them whilst we just seem to be enjoying the ride.

  86. 86
    craig chisholm says:

    i do not think for a second that the goal for us now is 5th spot.. i look at the table – obviously not the one one this blog as the end row is missing and it means nowt but a table you can actually read… i think we can and are pushing for 4th now. I think we can go over spuds and chelski in the run in.

  87. 87
    DJG says:

    Whatever happens now the lads have been a pleasure to watch and a credit to the shirt and themselves. All we can do is take care of our own business and with 4 wins out of 4 so far in the ‘final 10′ that is as good as we could possibly have done. We have basically ensured a minimum finish of 6th already which is far beyond what we could have dreamed about. The players are playing as if it is ’10 cup finals’. Swansea wasn’t an easy place to get a result either. Liverpool are looking out of sorts and Everton could beat them but on the other hand we could still finish 5th.

  88. 88
    Beardsleys Boots says:

    well I’m now rooting for Manc shitty tomorrow, to bring a happy Easter to the Toon. :lol:
    Craig C you’re supposed to keep that to yourself. Else you’ll be getting called deluded. :shock:
    :lol:

  89. 89
    DJG says:

    When someone like Cisse says ‘I want Champions league’ and starts banging in two goals a game like it’s nowt, then the whole squad gains in confidence. :smile: Players like Simpson are playing with an extra 25%

  90. 90
    Beardsleys Boots says:

    This 12 days of rest after Bolton could be a factor too.
    Gonna be a bloody long 12 days tho :evil:

  91. 91
    kimtoon says:

    Nice article by Daily Mirrors Oliver holt on yesterdays game ,giving Toon & Swans credit . He ends by saying of Toon ” The time to be surprised by them has passed. It is more fitting now just to be impressed “. :grin: :shock: :cool:

  92. 92
    Dubtoon says:

    I’m glad they have it to stop them getting overly tired but worried that they might come back a bit rusty. Hopefully they get a few more players fit (oba, vuckic,guthrie etc) and come back well drilled for three some big games, get the link up play between those front four even better, and do their homework on the rest of their opponents….

    Wonder if pards will take them away for a few days to take them away from any pressure, or let them stay and soak up the atmosphere of anticipation :twisted:

  93. 93
    icedog says:

    if we win all your games or go unbeaten whos to say where we will end up
    we went 11 games unbeaten whos to say we cannot do it again,have faith lads have faith, i think the players seem to think so,a fairy storey i know but i can dream ;-) :grin: :grin:

  94. 94
    Sharpy17 says:

    I think at least a draw against Bolton on Monday will guarantee us 6th spot with Liverpool, Everton and Sunderland all drawing today. I just don’t see those teams making the points up to catch us. I also didn’t realise how difficult Chelseas run in is:

    APRIL
    9th – Fulham (a)
    15th – Spurs – FA Cup
    18th – Barca (h) – CL
    21st – Arsenal (a)
    24th – Barca (a) – CL
    29th – QPR – (h)

    MAY
    2nd – The Toon (h)
    5th – Liverpool (a)
    13th – Blackburn (h)

    Verus ours:

    APRIL:
    9th – Bolton (h)
    21st – Stoke (h)
    28th – Wigan (a)

    MAY
    2nd – Chelsea (a)
    6th – Man City (h)
    13th – Evertion (a)

    You have to say that the remaining games favour us and if we can get to the Chelsea game unbeaten then that would certainly give us a confidence and momentum to get something from Chelsea.

    Nee more injuries though!!!

  95. 95
    Newkie says:

    Sharpy-Tis an interesting run in Chelsea have for sure…

  96. 96
    Sharpy17 says:

    I also think, anyone other than Pardew for manager of the season would be a massive injustice and would HAVE to be a fix.

    When you consider what he was faced with at the beginning of the season on the field (ie players leave and intergrating a group of new ones) and all the crazy stuff that’s happened off the field as well.

    He’s streets ahead of any other potential candidate IMO

  97. 97
    Newkie says:

    Sharpy-agree with you there as well, but to be fair I think its something only we as Newcastle fans can appreciate it really, others just won’t get it. Rogers though has the “barca stats” on his side, as pointless are they are, but they have played very well with what was a predominantly championship squad and made some astute signings in Graham and siggurson as well. Even Lambert with what is even a lower tier team with plenty of “league one” standard players has done very well and Norwich have scored plenty of goals, even if they all seem to be shitty headers… :mrgreen:

    If we got Champions League I don’t see how they couldn’t give it to Pards, but failing that it wouldn’t surprise me if it went to one of those, annoyingly :evil:

  98. 98
    icedog says:

    SHARPY anyone who can work with jabba and company for more than one season would deffo get my vote :lol: :lol: :lol:

  99. 99
    DJG says:

    They will probably give it to Rodgers, but goals win games, we scored them Swansea didn’t. He can argue that we have a £9m striker but that arguement won’t get you very far in a league with Chelsea, Man City, Man United and Spurs.

  100. 100
    Newkie says:

    DJG-Yeah I thought that was a pretty stupid argument from him, like implying we’re loaded? I think if he sold one of his players for 35 million he’d have been quicker spending it than were were :shock:

  101. 101
    icedog says:

    DJG the price was 8mil mate,picky i know but keep it right ;-)

  102. 102
    Big Dave says:

    Lads I think the point Rodgers was trying to make is that we are able to go out and buy a top notch striker, where as they can’t because they can’t afford one and they might find it hard to get one to go to them, well thats what i got from what he was saying.
    In a way I sort of agree cause I would say if they had a striker like Cisse or Ba they would be winning a lot more games, so would be a better team.

  103. 103
    toonsy says:

    icedog
    April 7, 2012 at 18:54

    “we went 11 games unbeaten whos to say we cannot do it again”

    Exactly Ice ;)

    I remember people taking the piss out of me for saying such a thing a few games ago :shock: :lol:

  104. 104
    The Kid says:

    I’ve been saying it all season, Swansea are such a good passing side because they take no risks. Passing sideways is great when you’re a couple of goals up, but that’s all they ever do regardless of the score. They have no plan B and the praise they get is over the top on my opinion. People can wax lyrical about Leon Britton et al all day, but how many killer passes does he make per game? How often do Swansea get in behind teams? They flatter to deceive and their problem isn’t a lack of a proper finisher, but a lack of midfielders that can do more than the simple stuff.

  105. 105
    toonsy says:

    Dave – I disagree entirely. Having a clinical striker would help them of course, but it doesn’t change the fact that they couldn’t feed the strikers they had yesterday. I mean it’s not like they fluffed chance after chance that was created for them was it?

    Even Ba or Cisse would struggle with the ball just being passed in neat triangles 60 yards behind where they are standing.

  106. 106
    funkyjesus says:

    Rodgers may be right in that Swansea can’t spend the money we did on Cisse, but what he fails to mention is that Swansea are now in the same group as Bolton in that bigger clubs will send high quality “back up” to them on loan to get game time.

    Bolton got Wilshire, Miyachi and Sturridge on loan while Swansea have McEachran and had Fabio Borini last year – we wouldn’t have got those guys.

  107. 107
    toonsy says:

    The Kid – 100% bang on fella. That is exactly why Leon Brittain has a better passing percentage than Xavi, Fabregas, Iniesta etc etc, because they just tap it along the back four, to Brittain, who taps it to the back four and so on.

    Or are people really saying that Brittain is better than Xavi/Iniesta/Fabrgeas? :???:

  108. 108
    Keys? Check. Wallet? Check. Tiote? Cheick. says:

    “If loan players are counted in this discussion, then Giuseppi Rossi. We had him for half a season, unfortunately unable to give him games. Look where he is now. ” You’re right he is a great player, but he is with a team that are 17th in La Liga.

  109. 109
    Newkie says:

    Dave-They can’t make the chances for their strikers though can they-look back to that match and then look at Cisse’s goals. Cisse was put through one on one, albeit the second one was a hell of an angle. Cisse scored them both because he’s an expert finisher. Now how many times did a Swansea player get one on one with Krul? I can’t remember one instance.

    Plus, if every team in the Prem had a player like Cisse well there’d be a hell of a lot of goals. Cisse’s goals were quality, but saying they were the only difference? I would have banked on Ba or Benny netting goals one on one as well….

  110. 110
    icedog says:

    talking m/fielders,makes me laugh how fickle some fans are,ive read a few times fans saying cabaye is playing to deep,then when he plays farther up the field like y/day fans shouting for him to get back hes to far up field,but makes the two goals,ime being fickle now but makes me smile anyway ;-)

  111. 111
    The Kid says:

    I was wrong before when I said Swansea take no risks, they take risks alright, but just the wrong ones. Throwing your CB’s and Full backs forward every two seconds is just not worth it.

    In fact, I would go so far as to say that Swansea’s approach is counter productive more often than not. Passing the ball around for 5 mins before having a pop from 20-25 yards. Seems like a waste of time to me…

  112. 112
    toonsy says:

    The Kid – As is wasting energy chasing the ball down when they are passing it along their back four. Counter productive wasting energy on that as it’s pretty pointless doing it to a team so assured in safety possession. It’ll just result in our team getting knackered out.

    Yet some people were chomping because we weren’t closing them down. We were, just when the ball finally made it’s way into a more advanced area.

  113. 113
    toonsy says:

    Anyhoo, off to work now. Catch you all later! :)

  114. 114
    toonsy says:

    On a final note, I see deluded.org are still having a go at Pardew :roll:

  115. 115
    toonsy says:

    Personally don;t see how you can knock the fella. Sure we’ve had bad results at times, but so has every other team. Man U, Arsenal have had hammerings this season, Chelsea have had a bad run, Tottenham are on one now. It happens to everyone, not just us.

  116. 116
    icedog says:

    TOONSY laters keep that phone to hand ;-) ill let you do the looking at org thanks :grin:

  117. 117
    The Kid says:

    Toonsy

    That blog is a thing of the past. I never even read their articles, let alone the comments.

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    Tsunki says:

    I’d say that the Swansea game was tough watching for unexpected reasons – We were actually entertaining for the simple reason we looked very much like the team in control of proceedings, despite the paradox of having only 20% possession at times. Swansea have been gaining plaudits for their style, but it’s absolutely without substance when a team realises what’s going on with them. Sigurdsson apart, I thought they were a bit like those trick football-juggling acts that dazzle with their skills but could never actually make the grade as a player. Pardew has probably rested that ‘Tactically inept’ tag this time. Swansea were rendered dull, mesmerisingly so at times, and I found myself wanting to fast forward proceedings many times. Our passing was a bit rotten of course, but if you haven’t seen the ball for 15 minutes…..

    On Cabaye, I can’t remember him having a shocker, he does seem prone sometimes to criticism about his positional play but I don’t know of many players who are required to occupy such a fluid spot in the side, apart from Jonas. To illustrate, check out their workrate stats.

    To Bolton – are we due to hand out a stuffing any time soon? :twisted:

  119. 119
    UTD111 says:

    Alan Kennedy, Paul Gascoigne, Peter Beardsley, Andy Cole, David Ginola, Chris Waddle, Les Ferdinand, Dietmar Hamman, Jon Dahl Tomasson, Terry McDermott……….

    How many do you want? There’s loads!

  120. 120
    Big Dave says:

    Sorry but I tend to think if they had a top striker they would feed him as I have watched them a few times and they can pass forward, they just dont get anybody to go forward that much.
    As for .organ donors wanky and chuck have to keep it up because to say he is doing well would be admitting that they called it wrong ;-)

  121. 121
    UTD111 says:

    My comment at 119 is in response to the article BTW! :mrgreen:

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    Tsunki says:

    @ 120 – don’t think they would feed a top striker, if you noticed how they tried to walk it in, they would basically cut him out of the loop and you’d have another sigurdsson, a quality turn picking up scraps from 20 yards out. But I suppose they would have two of them. :grin:

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    toonsy says:

    Ice – I might need the phone tonight mate ;-)

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    toonsy says:

    UTD111 – True enough, but for everyone one of them there are two of three that have failed to go on. I men you are going back 30 years with some of them ;-)

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    icedog says:

    just make sure its charged and switched on ;-)

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    Sharpy17 says:

    Tsunki – I see you have changed your avatar from Captain Colo to an ariel view of SJP ;-) :lol:

    What is this .org I keep seeing people on about?

  127. 127
    Munich Mag says:

    Sharpy17, .org is a failing, or failed web site inhabited by a group of Pardew bashers..

  128. 128
    MrT76 says:

    Gazza.
    SuperMac.
    Alan Kennedy.
    Andy Cole.
    Pedro the first time around.
    That arsehole Waddle. Arguably.

  129. 129
    UTD111 says:

    TOONSY
    April 7, 2012 at 20:45
    UTD111 – True enough, but for everyone one of them there are two of three that have failed to go on. I men you are going back 30 years with some of them
    _____________________

    OK Mate – but as far as I can see – the article doesn’t cover a specific period or impose any time restriction – it just poses the question (and I quote!)

    “players who have left Newcastle United, and of those players, which ones have gone on to bigger and better things…..”

    Like I said – there’s loads :shock:

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    MrT76 says:

    UTD111

    I wouldn’t say Ginola and Ferdinand went on to better things. More of a sideways shift.

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    UTD111 says:

    MUNICH MAG
    April 7, 2012 at 21:06
    Sharpy17, .org is a failing, or failed web site inhabited by a group of Pardew bashers..
    _______________________________________

    Woah fella!

    NUFCBLOG.ORG is another NUFC Blog – I write there, and I’m not a “Pardew Basher”. Not sure where that leaves your general assertion!

    By the way, NUFC Blogs are written by NUFC Fans – and I can’t see why you would want to attack fellow fans like this?

    Have a nice day ;-)

  132. 132
    UTD111 says:

    MRT76
    April 7, 2012 at 21:12
    UTD111
    I wouldn’t say Ginola and Ferdinand went on to better things. More of a sideways shift.
    ___________________________

    I wouldn’t argue strongly against that view mate – it’s a matter of opinion, I reckon…..my old brain just seemed to recollect they both won things after they left, but I may be wrong!

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    Big Dave says:

    UTD111 I agree that .org isn’t all bashers as there is a few decent bloggers on there, but the bashers voice is the loudest, as for why anyone would attack fellow fans I suggest you ask worky that one, but a lot of people were IMO took on by worky and his donation scam and treated like shit some even banned when they challenged him about it, so I don’t expect many people to warm to him ;-)

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    Big Dave says:

    UTD111 @ 132 yeah he won the league cup in 99

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    UTD111 says:

    Big Dave

    I honestly don’t know anything about that? Must have been before my time :sad:

    Am I allowed to mention my own little place – UTD111.com? It’s where I go to share my thoughts, views and opinions about NUFC issues with anybody who wants to listen!!

    :o

  136. 136
    icedog says:

    aye its the king of blog that if you dont agree with your view point,they tell you to drop dead or wish you were dead,real friendly like, thing is its the blog that is just about dead imo

  137. 137
    icedog says:

    must add theres a blogger on there,real nice guy,gentleman in fact, clint what a waste :sad:

  138. 138
    Munich Mag says:

    UTD111…sorry mate, I know you are not a Pardew basher, but the blog is run by a Pardew basher backed up by a couple of like-minded punters. Of course as toon fans they are all entitled to there opinion, but my opinion is the constant Pardew bashing given out on that blog is unfair.

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    Big Dave says:

    UTD11 maybe you should ask worky about it it was only 18 mths ago ;-)

    Ice you calm down lad I don’t want you starting :lol:

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    UTD111 says:

    Icedog – really? That hasn’t happened to me, but to be fair I’ve only been seriously hanging out there since erm late last year. Maybe the place just went through a phase? I dunno. Anyway whatever…….I support all United blogs and websites, although most of the news websites are usually full of rubbish in my opinion – I prefer blogs because after some results (like Tottenham away ouch!) I just like to be amongst my own follk!

  141. 141
    Munich Mag says:

    Icedog, there are a few good lads on .org who know what they are talking about when it comes to NUFC. Clint being one of them..

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    DJG says:

    Swansea’s approch has been a good idea, they have amassed (almost) the points they need to survive, which is a big achievement for them. Against the lesser teams I can see how they break sides down and are hard to beat at home but when they come up against the big boys then it can fall apart and look like a bit of a naive gameplan. But they would probably get beaten by the higher quality sides anyway. Our team just stood off them, allowed their possession game and said ‘come on then what have you got’. And the answer was nothing really.

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    Big Dave says:

    MM I can remember if we played shit and the players went missing it was Pards fault, but when we played well it was because of the players not Pards, but I noticed a few times lately that its Carver that the main reason for the good play :grin:

  144. 144
    Munich Mag says:

    At the end of the day, Newcastle have struggled to retain possesion in quite a few games this season, something which needs to be improved upon in all honesty. However imo Pardew got his tactics right against Swansea, cos he knew we couldn’t play them at the passing game, especially away from home. Any team that has Cisse, Ba and HBA in the line up are tailor made to play on the break, and though it was backs to the wall at times Pardew’s tactics worked a treat.

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    UTD111 says:

    Big Dave

    I remember reading somewhere recently that Pardew trains the defence and Carver does the rest – can’t remember where I saw it – but I seem to think it was Carver who said it?

  146. 146
    Munich Mag says:

    Big D…Pardew isn’t going to get any credit from some blokes. But we all have to take our hats off to the bloke for the way he has galvanised the spirit of the side and managed us back to winning ways. Another thing that some people forget, we have done so with several of our supposed better players missing for long periods of time/ANC, injuries etc, and with a team going through transition and actually just being built up..

  147. 147
    icedog says:

    UTD111 theres no way ime haveing a go at you,just the site in general mate,there is the odd blogger that are fine why they stay there is beyond me i would go as far to say that 98% of bloggers on here wouldnt go near it imo your allowed one on here ;-)

  148. 148
    Munich Mag says:

    UTD111 if Pardew is training the defence then he did a canny job of it yesterday. The much maligned Perch was absolutely brilliant yesterday for the fourth game in a row. What a great signing for 1 million quid… ;-)

  149. 149
    icedog says:

    DAVE lol ime fine bud :grin:

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    Big Dave says:

    Ice I would say that 75% of our bloggers where on .org before here started. By the way I haven’t seen much of that fuker Batts is he still doing that church roof :???:

  151. 151
    UTD111 says:

    Munich Mag @148

    I actually think that Perchinio as a Centre-Half recently hasn’t been far short of Collocini standard performances. And when he’s been in midfiled in place of Tiote – again , he hasn’t let us down.

    There may be even more to come from this lad in my humble opinion.

  152. 152
    Munich Mag says:

    Big Dave, more like 85% mate.. :lol:

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    Big Dave says:

    As for Pard taking the defence and Carver the rest is that not why we have a No2, coaches etc but when it comes to the team playing and tactics I do think it would be Pards call

  154. 154
    icedog says:

    i think pardew and carver work together well,when i think back it was big dave and me that did the most shouting to get carver when pardew was after a coach a lot thought clarke would be better wonder if daglish thinks that now :lol: :lol:

  155. 155
    Munich Mag says:

    UTD111 I must admit I criticised Perch during his early toon career, but the performances he has put in lately have been absolutely fantastic. It just goes to show what the belief of the manager can instill in a player, he is playing with supreme confidence, and Pardew and his back room staff must take some credit for that. Long may it continue and congratulations to the lad. I also thought the much maligned Danny Simpson was also brilliant yesterday.

  156. 156
    Big Dave says:

    MM I was going to go higher but I thought that would sound OTT so I lowered it .
    So if Colo is back for Mon who gets dropped Perch or Willo ?? I agree that Perch has done well but I would still rather have him as a DM rather than a CB

  157. 157
    icedog says:

    DAVE kna i handed the bin scratting back to him the lazy git hes behind tesco at the minute :lol:

  158. 158
    Munich Mag says:

    Big D :lol: :lol: :lol: Is Collo due back on Monday ? Thought we has knackered for longer, that would be a real bonus…

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    icedog says:

    perch will get tiote place if colo plays,as i doubt tiote will be fit

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    UTD111 says:

    Yep – when Perch played for Forest he looked classy, which is why we signed him. I reckon he went through a crisis of confidence when fans started to get on his back – but the boy has become a man, gritted his teeth and decided to show what he can do.

    If Collo is back on Monday, I wouldn’t mind seeing Perchinio at Left Back.

  161. 161
    Beardsleys Boots says:

    How many clean sheets have we kept this season aswell.
    Remarkable tbh.
    I dont know how this seasons clean sheets compare to the record books, but it must be one of the best for many a long season.

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    Munich Mag says:

    Ice@159 spot on there mate if Collo is fit Perch will get Tiote’s place….

    G’night lads…off to me scratcher…

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    icedog says:

    by the way i will give pardew 10 out 10 for one thing,working for jabba and company for more than a season ;-)

  164. 164
    icedog says:

    laters MM

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    kimtoon says:

    I would prefer they rested Colo for another game ,don’t want to see him rushed back and break down again as we need him for those really tough games at the tail end .As some have already mentioned the cover have coped really well so far and I think we will beat Bolton .

    With regard to .org I looked on there a few times yonks ago but never dared post as it always seemed hostile to me. Lot of anger issues floating around on it.

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    Big Dave says:

    MM take it easy lad ;-)
    Ice you wern’t that keen on Pards at 1st were you ? and no thats not trying to catch you out :o

  167. 167
    Big Dave says:

    Kimtoon I tend to think Bolton will know that they need to fight for their lifes so I expect them to be a hard game, and I hope our players think like that too

  168. 168
    Beardsleys Boots says:

    TBH ice AP is no shrinking violet.
    He made it clear he wanted a 5 yr contract or he wasn’t coming.
    Also Llamearse said he was impressed when AP went ape shit at him for not getting him a striker.
    People will believe what they want, but AP is no puppet for the board.
    OK he is their mouthpiece, but he is his own man when it comes to coaching the team.
    I think he is doing a great job, which many other managers just couldn’t get to grips with.

  169. 169
    UTD111 says:

    Thanks for the chat folks – off to me bed!

    :sad:

  170. 170
    Big Dave says:

    UTD be good lad ;-)

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    Newkie says:

    Agree with Beardsley-some people have painted the picture of pardew as a complete tool who’s quite happy to be shafted by Ashley and Dezza for the simple reason he needs a job as he can’t get one anywhere else, even in league one.

    Absolute load of shit in my eyes. He’s a committed professional and very very ambitious, in his youth he may have been a bit arrogant and snide and that tag has stuck with him a bit, but he has ability and drive and he realises his chance to achieve those ambitions is here and bloody hell he has grabbed at his chance and is doing well.

  172. 172
    Beardsleys Boots says:

    Big Dave, I dont think any of us were keen on AP at first.
    He came with a poor rep.
    But he has shown he is learning on the job, and not afraid to admit when he gets it wrong. Also he is prepared to vary his tictacs depending on who we are up against. Not just a one trick pony like Brendan Rodgers.

  173. 173
    kimtoon says:

    Dave ,Yeh they will be well up for it i’m sure but I just think we will have a bit too much for them. Pretty sure they won’t play for the point as they really need the three so will attack us which will inevitably leave them exposed to the counter which we seem to be so good at now. Add on the fact we are at home and it should (famous last words ) be a sure thing ….I hope ;-)

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    icedog says:

    DAVE no your reet i wasnt keen on him when he first came,thought he was one of a gang of three,but like a lot think it was a backlash from the way they treated hoots,big al, kk ect,but ill always give someone a chance to prove me wrong,not doing bad now ;-)

  175. 175
    Beardsleys Boots says:

    I noticed Lawro predicted a 1-1 draw for us against swansea.
    And of course a 2-0 win for liverfool.
    :oops: :oops:
    Tool :evil:

  176. 176
    Big Dave says:

    Oh and don’t forget lads he was only here to pay his gambling debt of :lol:
    BB aye a lot were against him, but I think there was a lot of bad feeling because he replaced Hooters and he was thought off as a God like being to some :grin:

  177. 177
    Beardsleys Boots says:

    well Hooters DID do a great job, but clearly MAshley and co saw more of his management style than us and weren’t convinced he could take us further.
    Perhaps they were right :???: :?:

  178. 178
    icedog says:

    DAVE@176 see you agree with me @174 (again) :grin: :grin: :grin:

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    Beardsleys Boots says:

    wasn’t it Hooters that was to blame for wasting money by buying Perchinio

  180. 180
    icedog says:

    motd time laters lads

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    Big Dave says:

    Kim I hope your right .
    Ice yeah everyone deserves a chance, but TBH I was glad to see him come in, don’t get me wrong I never once thought of him before he was named but when he was named I was glad as I think we badly needed a decent manager that was very media friendly

  182. 182
    Big Dave says:

    Yeah Ice im going to watch it meself catch you’s later

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    richietoon says:

    BB…..I think Calderwood got the blame at the time for Perchinho, think it’s about a dozen clean sheets, but not 100% sure and can’t be arsed to check ;-)

  184. 184
    Newkie says:

    Beardsley-yeah I’ve noticed a bit of a theme with the “Hughton signed Perch, he’s a flop” but “Pardew turned Perch into a good player with his coaching” malarky going on. I don’t quite see what’s wrong with people on both sides of the argument

    Both of them were/are very good managers…

  185. 185
    Newkie says:

    But pardew is the man to take us forward, hopefully higher than we are now too :mrgreen:

  186. 186
    stevep says:

    hansen & lawrenson, spoke more about chelsea and hardly anything about disgraceful linesman decisions – typical

  187. 187
    Dubtoon says:

    Ice – don’t know why they ever let carver go :evil: was glad to see speed take him on when he became a manager, and even happier when he came home ;-)

    On Pards – i think the one thing llambias has said that i was more happy about than anything else was when he stated that he and mike like that pards stands up to them and makes them justify their decisions. It means that everything has to be well thought out to stand up to scrutiny and that they needed a football man able to articulate his opinions.
    My biggest problem with him at the start wasn’t that he would be a puppet or a bad manager (or particularly good), but that they were treating hoots like sh*t for someone that didn’t seem like an upgrade. No loyalty to a man that did a great job for us

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    Dubtoon says:

    Richie, pretty sure it’s 12 too, not sure just how that compares though.

  189. 189
    Newkie says:

    Fuck me but Chelsea were lucky today weren’t they :roll:

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    richietoon says:

    DubT… Just a case of a new manager(sourness) wanting his own backroom staff when Carver was let go I think.

  191. 191
    Dubtoon says:

    Richie yeah i think it was souness who came in and he moved to academy director or something similar, which was fine. Fair enough for a new man to want his own people but kept carver in the club. Maybe he left because he wanted a bigger role but i have a feeling someone d*cked him over and he was replaced by Roeder in a ‘restructuring’ of the academy

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    richietoon says:

    Aye think you could be right, he has a 100% win record as Toon manager too :mrgreen:

  193. 193
    Dubtoon says:

    Remember that game after bobby :smile: was zogs first game if memory serves. Always get a bit sad thinking about the days of sir bob. Great man let down by the club he loved

  194. 194
    Dubtoon says:

    great memories though :cool:

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    Jon R says:

    Such a pity he couldn’t have lived to see us get back on the up again :sad:

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    richietoon says:

    DubT….yep, your memory serves you welll ;-)

    I reckon Judas will score the winning goal in the FA cup semi to get us the Europa league football :lol:

  197. 197
    Newkie says:

    Richie :mrgreen:
    Mag at heart? :lol:

  198. 198
    richietoon says:

    Newkie…I’d just love the irony of it :grin:

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    richietoon says:

    I take it we’re on motd last :roll: fekn half midnight here the selfish barstewards :evil:

  200. 200
    richietoon says:

    Whey, thats me away …later lads.

  201. 201
    Newkie says:

    Laters rich

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    Rodzilla says:

    1st :cool:

  203. 203
    Rodzilla says:

    never see anyone commenting on the fucking state of the economy on here like. To be honest I couldn’t give a fucking monkey’s giro, stick it all up yer fkin Intel Inside.

    Wankers.

  204. 204
    Rodzilla says:

    …anyone wanting a fight, please form an orderly queue…

    (dick-heeds)

  205. 205
    Rodzilla says:

    Blast that gadaam timezone

  206. 206
    Rodzilla says:

    …it’s 12:43 in the afternoon where I am. Sunny. Funny.

  207. 207
    Rodzilla says:

    ahhhh fuck you all, bitch fags.

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    toonsy says:

    BB – You say that pretty much everyone was against Pards at the start. I wasn’t, and Stuart79 wasn’t either.

    Granted we probably expected better, I know I did, bit I always said give him a chance, which was something I learned from Hughton as I was proper radgie when he got the job full time and he proved me wrong over time ;-)

  209. 209
    Rodzilla says:

    …ladies and gentlemen, Toonsy has just left the building.

    (Stuart79, keep the bed warm, honey ;-) )

  210. 210
    Rodzilla says:

    what yee deen on my fkn blog anyway Toonsy :shock:

    …if av telt ye once av telt ye a thooooooooooosind times. :shock:

    …get te fuk, ye rampa

  211. 211
    Rodzilla says:

    aye, canny like.

    …a was actually born in Spalding, 1853, invented the potato, anarl that.

  212. 212
    Rodzilla says:

    hahaha/hyperlol

    …zooming into hyperlOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooolllllllllllllllL

    …(entering hyperspace)
    …WOOOOOOOO—-HOOOOOOOOOOOO :shock:

  213. 213
    Rodzilla says:

    (lol)

  214. 214
    Rodzilla says:

    howman, a tel ye wat kids, if ye can’t be arsed, divnt dee it.

    secrit of the yoonivors

    strites

    :cool:

  215. 215
    Rodzilla says:

    …..Okaayyy, just got rid of him, at ease….

    (bends knees, again, but a bit slower)

  216. 216
    Rodzilla says:

    …when’s last ordas?

  217. 217
    Rodzilla says:

    …phantom hand syndrome is a serious condition.

  218. 218
    Rodzilla says:

    no it isn’t

  219. 219
    Newkie says:

    Liverpool have scored 8 goals in their last 8 games, netting 6 losses, a draw and a win.

    Newcastle’s Papiss Cisse, in his 8th league game today, has 9 goals and an assist in those 8 games.

    :mrgreen:

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    Rodzilla says:

    aye, anaar

  221. 221
    Rodzilla says:

    turn back now, weary traveller, turn back now I tell thee :arrow: (mirror)

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    Stuart79 says:

    Absolutley right, Toonsy, I was for Pardew. Have to be honest though I wasn’t expecting this – if he was responsible for the players!

  223. 223
    toonsy says:

    Stu – Even if he wasn’t responsible for bringing in players (it is unlikely to be just down to him, but he will np doubt have string input into it), he’ll have done well to mould what he is given to get the results we have done.

  224. 224
    toonsy says:

    Fecking phone :roll:

    Np = no
    String = strong

    In case anyone couldnt work it out like :razz:

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    AndrewT says:

    I see the mirror is talking about Carroll comin back again, almost as if they’re sucking ao bad cuz of him. Would love to see him secure that cup final for us though!

  226. 226
    Troy Stavers says:

    Since Barfa has found his form and with our two strikers, it’s reminiscent of the days under KK and SBR, where you know the Toon are capable of scoring anytime.

    The style of football isn’t as exciting but the goal threat is.

  227. 227
    brisvegas says:

    Nerves are janglng again.

    In little over half an hour Brisbane Roar play Central Coast Mariners in the second leg of the A-league final. Brisbane leads 2-0 after the first leg. You might think that the final is the last game. Wrong!

    The winner hosts the Grand Final in 2 weeks time. The loser plays off with Perth Glory next week for a place in the Grand Final. Such is the Aussie end of season play-off system.

    I’ve swapped my black and white for orange. Howay Brisvegas.

  228. 228
    richietoon says:

    Were most against Pards anyway? He wouldn’t have been anyones favourite choice but surely most were willing to give him a chance?
    I really didn’t want KD, Fat Sam or Sourness but was willing to give them all a chance…….mind I did want Gullit so what do I know :???: :lol:

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    AlanPardewProject says:

    Howey bris. Noticed you lot have berisha as striker?? Another player with a past at my local club. Howey the roar!

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    wolfie says:

    Good article Toonsy and thought provoking.

    I’ve often sat back and wondered why some player wanted to leave us when it was clearly a step down in terms of club size and potential and Nzogbia springs to mind from the off.
    Bassong was another that showed clear potential to be top notch and now look at him.

    As for those who did make it, I agree on Parker in a respect but to be fair he didn’t really go onto better things immediately after us and only his performances in a stuttering West Ham team stood him out as Tottenhams Tiote .

    If I had to go back a bit and pick players who actually went on to better things, I’d go for Gascoigne, albeit he effected his own downfall from that point.

    Players over the last 5 years or so that have left, I’d have to say nobody has what you can call immediately went on to better things from the off at one particular club and it’s usually took a move from that club , like Milner from Villa to Man City, who can class the move as more successful in a way.

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