The Mackem slayer
The basic point behind it was sound enough, but I didn’t like the way Lee Ryder went about it. I’m sure he’s not bothered, after all he is paid to do what most of us bloggers do for free!
Anyway the whole point of the article was using stats to show how great our new signings have been and how they have overshadowed the previous stalwarts who helped us survive in the league and got us halfway to where we are now. A bit unfair I thought, almost like an “I told you so” kind of article.
The fact is that without the likes of Joey Barton, Kevin Nolan, Jose Enrique and Andy Carroll, we wouldn’t be in the Europa League now. Granted not many of them would get into our current starting line up right now, but at the time these were our best players who had gone within a whisker of getting us a top-half finish on our return to the Premier League. For that I will never slate them.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing and I’m sure that some of the departed players now wish they had the benefit of using it, but they’ve moved on, either by force or by want – whichever you believe, and so should everyone else rather than using it as a petty points scoring exercise.
When you look back there was a reason why people were so glum at the departure of these players, and that was because they were some of our best players at the time, and losing your best players is rarely a good thing. Whilst I never doubted the quality we brought in, I still can’t help but feel that we’ve been lucky in the way that they’ve gelled and performed. Nobody could have second guessed that at the time.
So would I have any of them back going by what I know now? Probably not, but I also won’t be slating them any more as they played a vital role in where we are today.
Others should do the same…
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All the big names who have left played a huge part in where we are now, they helped us get out of the CCC where we could still be playing if it wasn’t for those players efforts…..that said, they’re all a bunch of tw@ts now
Great article, couldn’t agree more with it.
Richie i was referring to the previous thread as to why joey wasnt picked for england!
We got rid of all our english players and flourished …. poor roy
Toonsy this is the same lee ryder who knows about transfers days after everyone else
KING KENNY ooot
GOOD READ TOONSY.
IF IT WASNT FOR THE OLD BOYS WE WOULDNT BE WHERE WE ARE NOW.
soz for the caps.
i hope the dippers dont come in for pardew
Liam… I know, but I was bored and couldn’t think of owt else to type
I think the bitterness comes from the circumstances behind each individual player’s departure.
Nolan, still think highly of him, he undoubtedly left for money but on the whole, he just kept schtum and got on with it. Can’t judge him too much for wanting one last big pay check.
The other three p!ss me off varying amounts because of all the rubbish they came out with after leaving the club. People like Barton trying to turn the fans against the board, do you remember his whole “the truth will come out when i leave the club” had his followers eating out of his hands.
Same goes for Carroll and Jose, fine I understand Liverpool are a worldwide, prestigious club, but just leave and admit you wanted to go, don’t try and lie to us about how you wanted to stay but the club weren’t showing ambition. Really irks me how fans believed the players, moaning about ambition and wage caps, despite the contradictory signings of HBA/Cabaye etc
Nolan aside, they deserve all the abuse they get when they come here for trying to force a wedge between management and fans (though i still hope Jose and Carroll do well in their careers).
Oh dear me,2nd victim(KING Kenny) down.
3rd victim(RDM) will Down after May 20th,i will bet on that.
King Kenny kicked out of Anfield
Shame. I thought he was doing a canny job
BBC yesterday “lawrenson expects dalglish to stay” I see his prediction was accurate as usual!
Okay, reports have emerged that Roberto Martinez have been approached .
Congrats,liverpool for remaining status quo then.
GRAEME SOUNESS FOR LIVERPOOL !
I reckon they’ll go for Martinez…..or Rafa
……although I’d prefer them to go for agent Bruce 
Kenny going though funny is actually bad news as who ever comes in is bound to be better and will improve on his results
This is a sad news.
He is the one of the few managers LFC has that is able to bring them to championship rather than champions league.
The owners should keep the king, how dare they sack him!
I am having stomach pain after reading this comment.
We have to be grateful that we had the ‘old guard’ to get us straight back up to the premiership.
Had they not, there is no way we would have Cabaye ,Marveaux , Ba or Cisse as they would not have joined a team in the championship.
I would also like to recommend Steve Bruce to Liverpool.
Wigan chairman says ,no approach made to speak to Martinez.
I would offer Liverpool the chance to party with Marty. I reckon they should go for O’Neill
More crazy ideas coming out from my country liverpool fans.
Kevin Keegan.
I duly replied to them.
For those questioning whether Kevin Keegan can do the job,yes he can.
Only if he doesnt walk away from clubs and sue the owners for demands not met.
He walk out from man city,walk out twice from newcastle,walk out from fulham,England.
Toonsy…that would be funny like
Actually there is some wrong info about the suing part,but whatever.
I having a great laugh,with ppl suggesting many names.
Pardew to Liverpool
David Moyes for Liverpool
If shitpool appointed O’Neil they’d win their 1st 5 games and think they could win the league, then they’d finish 7th
The truth is they all played a huge part in our recovery but each had to leave for the greater good it would seem. Enrique never wanted to stay ,thinking the grass was greener elsewhere and leaving us with a parting shot of a soundbite predicting we’d never make top 6 again !. Barton was a devisive element it would seem and apparently not free of demons or ego and in hindsight we are well rid . Nolan was too old for a long term contract and chose to chase one last pay check ,fair enough. As for Carroll ,some would say his head got turned by greener grass and more cash ,others that he played a game with MA and lost, who knows but I certainly don’t hate him . I think our success is the perfect reply to all ex players who doubted our capabilities ,and now we all move on.
I’m Not grateful to nolan and barton, premiership standard players on massive wages, doing their job in the championship after helping us get relegated. Enrique will look back and wonder if he was maybe a tad shortsighted but carroll took the money and fame. Good luck to the latter two and no resentment, although nolan is a twat for advising our players to leave and barton… Well…. Lets just leave it there. We have pards, his staff, hughton, and our CURRENT players to thank for where we are now.
By the way, bad news re; kenny. Perhaps hodgeson was not so bad afterall! Unfortunately martinez will turn them into a good side again next seaspn. Not great for us!
Good article Toonsy.
I’m widdya.
Has the alleged fallout between Ashley and Pards been over an approach by Liverpool for Pardew?
Well said Toonsy.
…so, sad ol’ puppy face finally gets put down then
…can’t say I couldn’t see that happening. About 4 months too late.
Poor old Villa are gona have to settle for 2nd best in the Manager recruitment race now.
Moyes for Liverpool!
Interesting the bindippers would sack Kenny after letting him spend so much money. They have an aging group of stars or ex-stars (Gerrard, Carragher, Kuyt) and some poor replacements (Downing, Henderson, Spearing) so what do they do now? Spend another 110 M on more new players? Try to sell Carroll for 10M taking a 25M pound loss? Wouldn’t want to be their incoming manager. And they say we have unrealistic expectations!
I wonder Liverpool let King Kenny keep his LFC tramp overcoat, complete with gravy stains down the front. He did seem quite attached to it, bless.
never mind daglish getting the sack,what aboot poor hoots son getting the sack at brum
Would be hilarious if Liverpool appointed Capello
Ice
he almost got them promoted on a shoe string budget, what more do they want? 
Chris got sacked from Birmingham?
I can’t believe that Hodgson named Terry and Lampard in his squad . It was time for out with the old and in with the new ,yet the only oldie not going is Ferdinand . He has missed a chance to start building a new England generation , still i will be supporting England as all ways once it kicks off .
My money is on Pep Guardiola being the bin dippers new manager . Unbelivable that Hoots has been sacked .What does the bloke have too do to keep a job .
Irrespective of how the article comes across…I’m glad the general theme is how the new players are better than the old, rather that than the other way round
ANYMAG kna they have sacked his son today
ANDYMAG
Ice
Not Chris Jnr
Ice
Tis ok I’m now any mag, a who gives a shit kind of supporter.
ANDY/ANY/ECT/TOON
aye chris has nee say,would be a shit if he sacked his own son
Reckon Christmas dinner would be awkward
just finished reading yohan’s website..in the connection page,one of the link is our cult hero sibierski.any one can tell me what’s their connection?
hmm..
sibierski:1992–1996 Lille
cabaye: 1998–2004 Lille youth team
the link is too far to make yohan specifically put it in his website
Hodgson should have gone for the ‘all-out war’ approach with a central midfield of Karl Henry, Joey Barton and Lee Cattermole
Alex….I thought earlier about Pep taking over but he quit Barca because he was tired through the mental and physical stress of management, so if he jumps straight back into management he hasn’t been very truthful….surely someone invloved in football woudln’t lie?
RICHIE aye mate hes like you straight as a cork-scew
Ice
i would have left both rio and terry oot me-sel,court case due,some honest lawyer might use that
plus that shit-bag terry is smug enough imo
Enrique on Dalglish exit – “This club will never again fight to be among the top 6 with this policy”
It’s a little known fact that Tugboat’s famous goal celebration was in honour of his favourite NUFC blogger!
http://twitpic.com/9kjfcu
Hitman
Toonsy I agree we were lucky in that all the players settled quickly which isn’t and wont always be the case.
Hitman that wouldn’t be a bad swap
So it looks like we were best to cash in on Carroll while king kenny was spending all the money
its just a pity we couldn’t have got them to take that bin dipper with the fuking stupid dance aswell as we might have got a bit more money for him 
RIP The Old Guard
THANK YOU FOR THAT ARTICLE MATE! PEOPLE HAVE TO STOP COMPARAISONS BETWEEN NOW AND LAST 2 SEASONS AND STOP BASHING THOSE PLAYERS WHO GAVE ALL FOR THE CLUB, THEY GAVE ME EMOTION LAST 2 SEASONS AND I WILL NEVER FORGET WHAT THEY’VE DONE FOR US!
Talking about the guard ( great article which i agree with ) Would anyone take any of them back? What about Jose ” no club will ever finish in top 6 ever again ” enrique
Johno I would take Jose back but I could never see that happen
Dave id be the same. Him on the left Santon on the right. Attack attack attack!!!!
Is it right that we cannot sign any of our targets until after the Euro’s. So if they play well, the price will rocket and we will be put off. And if they play poorly, we will be put off? Is that how it is set to work?
B&B – It may not be our choice. Would you take a job as a doctors receptionist knowing full well you could actually be a doctor in a few weeks providing you do well in your exams?
Players will want to wait and see. not only will they want to focus on the Euros, they will also want to see where it takes them
B+B the Euros are a big shop window all players that are going will be expecting to do well, so why sign up now rather than wait a while and if the have a good euro their hand will be stronger.
I don’t think we would want to wait because pards said that he wanted to get the deals done before the euros, but I guess the players agents are advising them against it.
johno.noway would i take him back,fkin judas can rot aswel.
fkin gutted sky have blocked pirate bay..
Scouser outside Anfield “Problem with Kenny is you should never go back” Reporter:”Who would you have now?” “Rafa” You couldn’t make it up.
B&B, yeah July 1st. Swings and roundabouts really though. I can’t see us going in for any high profile European Internationals, and the value estimation of any of our own can only go up throughout the tournament. We usually do our transfer business well under the radar. It only bothers me cos I’ll have to put up with another 6 weeks of tabloid bullshit before the window opens.
Transfer window doesn’t open anyway until the 1st July, unless it was a transfer from another English club which could theoretically be done now, but even then most players contracts run until the end of June so nowt would happen until 1st July anyway……..I think
Big D – Aye, I thought Pards had said he wanted transfers done early i.e before euros, but it seems as if that was never practically possible.
Dave, what, so we can do the deals before the window opens I.E. agree the fees, but not actually sign them until July 1st
Doesn’t that effectively mean there’s no July 1st window opening? I’m confused.
…unless Pardew’s targets are free agents (?)
There may well be a few gentlemans agreements in place for all we know .Trouble with that is if they go to euros and excel they may welsh on the deal and demand better terms from us .
Is Diame on a free ? he could possibly replace Tiote if he is sold .
Also does anyone know wether we are still interested in Ricky Van Wolfswinkel?
didnt mikel sign a pre contract with manu then welshed and went to chelski who ended up getting hammerd for it.
ahh Kim, the old ‘gentleman’s agreement’ number. Isn’t that also known as ‘tapping up’? I wish they’d just scrap these bloody windows anyway, they just invite corruption and force clubs into panic buying. We’ve heard all this before anyway.
kim,aye diame is on a free a few clubs looking at him
Rod ,well if it’s good enough for Arry like.
Kim, never even heard of him but I’d sign him up just for his name
Hitman, rings a bell.
hahaha, bit random, but I just found this:
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/417747_336075053111339_161261870592659_1049276_2129048531_n.jpg
hes not happy now?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/newcastle-united/9271004/Newcastle-United-target-FC-Twente-striker-Luuk-de-Jong-if-Demba-Ba-leaves-club.html
just rag crap to add the last bit on imo
Shit, I forgot about that, Ice:
…”Tottenham Hotspur are thought to be his most likely destination, although he will wait to see whether Harry Redknapp’s side qualify for next season’s Champions League before making any firm decisions.”
hahaha, I’ll DEFINITELY be cheering on Chelsea on Saturday now! That would be ace.
…anyway, I’m off, no late night Rodzilla show this evening I’m afraid. Tatty bye…
Smith mobbed at Huddersfield.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2145002/Alan-Smith-attacked-Huddersfield-fans-mob-Leeds-player-play-win.html
Hitman-Who else is after Diame?
Anyone else see that the evertonians are condemning Cabaye of racism towards Cahill, which resulted in his sending off?
aye just read that andy.
http://www.bluekipper.com/fans/fans_e-mails/4496-what_did_cabaye_say.html
Out of order that. I hope they get severely punished for it. Animals. Thats the problem with the craze of mass pitch invasions at the mo, seone will get seriously hurt before long
SHAMROCK aye mate but what can you do? wouldnt like to see the fences
back like
I would have Andy Carroll back. Never wanted to leave but for 35 million ha no choice.
What a slanderous disgusting article. Completely unfounded and total evil accusations which could damage Cabsye’s reputatipn and career. Should be held to account for that.
Ice, no idea mate? Snipers?!
lol
SHAMROCK just thinking the blog could hire them one big dave used to be one,sure his rate would be fair
It’s still pretty good to laugh at Nobby and Carroll and even Barton now with his antics. Still, they were decent for us, I don’t think anyone is taking that away from them?
Shamrock ,Wholeheartily agree with you@90 ,I’m spitting nails here reading that. How can they be allowed to print that crap ,I’m bloody sure if it was racial he would of said something if only to get Cabaye in the shit.
KIMTOON hows the bairn?
Ice sounds like a plan. Its a preventative measure. Once Big Dave has done a couple of grounds nobody will ever dare storm the pitch again for fear of what lurks behind the floodlights! He could shoot the. Olatile ones with ‘sleeper’ darts and the club mascot could move in and give them are a sore arse live on tv. No doubt that would end the pitch invasion. Raze pretty sharpish!
I know Kim, saying Cahill wont have made the allegation because of press intrusion?! What utter crap.
Shocking that article ref Cabaye
on a happier note, candlelit vigils on the red half of Liverpool…from RAWK..
“Take me money, shit on what what I hold dear and shit on our one true legend. Fuck off you Yank twats. And you “who I want next” gobshites can fuck off as well. The dust hasn’t even settled and your putting a wish list together. Just fuck off eh and find someone else.”
“Something’s seriously wrong if anyone finds it in themselves to speculate about the next manager so soon after this. Christ.”
“Please for the respect of Dalglish, and for the sanity of the site, use this thread to talk about the next manager but give it some time eh… ”
“Will still get a tingle when I watch your smile on DVD. You are, and always will be my very first and only hero.
Thanks Kenny.”
Ice ,not too bad thanks .Had a bad day last thursday ,woke up and had a cluster of 10 fits so had to see g.p incase another infection was brewing .Been on anti b’s since then, bit better now ,be glad when he goes to the ENT cons appointment to sort out his sinus and ear probs in june ,last one got cancelled
.All I have done for months now is see different Specialist about his mirade of problems ,I’m sick of hospitals parden the pun.I
I got him an England car flag for his wheelchair the other day ,just got to figure out how to fix it on it now as the fixing is for a flat surface ,bit of gaffer tape I suppose.
Richie@100 That is bloody brilliant ,bunch of drama queens or what.
KIMTOON thanks for up-date,just hope you dont think ime being nosey just i often think about you,good luck with the hopitals,i just dont rate a lot of them very highly,dont worry about flag you can always hold it in your teeth lol
ice ,that’s o.k. i’m gonna stick the flag on with some strong tape and hope he don’t yank it off ,he likes to chuck stuff
KimT….They really are pathetic…..but funny at the same time.
Time for kip for me, laters.
Right I’m off ,shattered ,laters lads ‘n’ lasses.
The Daily fail are seriously suggesting that shitpool are considering signing Pardew as their new manager.
why the f-ck would a manager who got his up and coming team to fifth go to a team whos on the decline finishing 8th? Why would he leave a team with a good spirit and a sound financial scheme to go to a team full of overpaid rascist primadonnas that will enivetably be unable to repay what was given to them once the owners get bored?
Re: Cabaye and Cahill. I know how Tim feels, all the convict & foster drinking racist taunts I get on here are terrible
I’d be grabbing some throats as well*
*only if you are smaller and less aggressive looking than me
on topic – I think it is a bit late to call for everyone to leave our “old guard” alone
They have been battered from pillar to post by everyone on this blog and now we are calling for some respect for what they have contributed
bit late for that.. comes across as a bit hypocritical to me 
All mercenaries, the whole lot of them.. and who ever leaves next will cop a bagging too, you watch
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2145515/Kenny-Dalglish-sacked-Liverpool-admire-Newcastle-boss-Alan-Pardew.html
Shut up Sheep shagger
Aussie..They all did great jobs for us at the time, slagging them down now for the reasons they left and how it’s worked out for them doesn’t make us hypocrites, it makes us football fans. We’d have been hypocrites if we’d lavished praise on them while they were here, while not really meaning it!
I am going to ask Toonsy to place an 8 match ban on you Ritchie Suarez
Not even King Kenny will try and justify your racist taunts
Totally agree Rich, praising and berating players is all a part of being a fan.. I would just leave it at that though… If you don’t like a player who has left for what ever reason, so be it..
Aussie……..look at it this way, while they’re picking on ex players me and you get a bit of breathing space
True Rich
I’m not sure we deserve all the negative press we get on here 
Well I don’t but as for you…..
It’s just my good nature, people take advantage of it
Aye, you have to watch them, all bloody hypocrites
I knew you would come across to my way of thinking
Aussie
“Sad because I love Kenny to bits. He is the kind of man I would want my son to be (if I had any).”…don’t ya just Liverpool fans
Poor old Kenny, there are so many parallels with us and Keegan.
A hero to the fans that couldn’t fulfill the management role at their clubs. I don’t want to start the whole Keegan debate but where Liverpool are now is not all that different than where we were a few years back. I know that they are nowhere near close to relegation but they are in turmoil.
Classic quote that Rich
You do have to wonder…
Aussie… difference is Keegan would have realised he wasn’t good enough himself if he’d spent £100 and odd million
That said, we’d have been owa the moon with a league cup win and an FA cup final, but still all I’ve read on Liverpool forums is, “we’ve failed”, ” we should be in the CL, it’s were we belong”, “8th isn’t good enough” etc etc. Then they go into meltdown when the man responsible gets sacked they go into melt down, “he should have been given more time” was the cry, yep just like you gave Hodgson more time and he had a better league record than Kenny
JJ, I know this has come from Cwarr on twitter, so may not be true, but he’s posted a report saying Newcastle have been invited to play in a pre season tournament in South Africa, Kiaser Chiefs involved in it, will see if I can post the link
Don’t feel sorry for Kenny or Liverpool fans… I can’t stand either.
Only disappointing thing is that whoever they appoint now will probably do a better job and they’ll be a tougher opposition. Kenny would have had them bankrupt within two years.
Sorry JJ, not letting me using my iPhone for some reason, but see if u can check it out
JJ…it’s highly unlikely they’ll do a worse job(league wise)….unless it’s Brucey, Mic Mac or Mcleish
Liverpool fans still think that they should be the best team in the PL… Their expectations exceed their capabilities. yes they should be happy with a cup win but Kenny was never going to be the answer to getting back to where they think they belong.. Any manager stepping into that club now will have their work cut out.. Aging list, poor players, poor attitudes… remind you of anyone
Good luck to who ever lands the role…
Fat Sam would be a good choice… If self promotion was anything to go by
Aussie…They’ll get one season to get it right it would seem, Cup wins won’t cut it, CL or nowt and that just ain’t gonna happen next season imo.
I reckon so to Rich, hot seat if ever there was one….
Oh well, it’ll be fun to watch
shit yeah
can’t wait…
Simon – just found this re the South Africa/Kaiser Chiefs story:
http://www.sowetanlive.co.za/sport/2012/05/17/magpies-set-to-play-in-vodacom-challenge
4 games still to play here to see if the local team hang onto a play off place……Villareal B team are mid table but get relegated because Villareal got relegated from La Liga
Steve Kean would be a good shout, he really seems oblivious to how shit his team is… He would suit Liverpool down to the ground…
dont get me wrong but lee ryder is in trouble with the club if he gets things wrong, us bloggers just assume and make things up from whatever scource is available to us.most people read a newspaper story and beleive it ,mostly it will not be 100% true. i personaly hate it when fans call footballers for this or that, when they have never met them in person.if some of these bloggers that call players and staff met them in the street they would most likely ask for their autograph! thats what i call 50 faced blogging…..people do p**s me off at times
Kean is shocking but like you say he’d be a great choice, he fits right into the “it’s never our/my fault” ethos
Simon
Would be amazing if they come out.
Their is a competition called the Vodacom Cup which has seen Spurs and Man United come out the past few years.
I actually had lunch with Jermaine Jenas and Robbie Keane. Jenas is a tool but Keane was actually a great guy.
Would be great to do the same with the Newcastle lads.
after ever loss Kean would say ‘we just need to keep working hard at training”
delusional
Just seen the report Simon
One thing I must say is that our press is usually spot on. We don’t really run tabloid stuff here, so it could well be happening.
Manchester United has been here the past two years and Spurs have been here for two of the past four, so with the number of African stars I guess it makes sense to invite Newcastle.
Plus the appearance money paid to the English Premier League clubs is huge as far as friendlies go.
Only thing is, they’d be arriving in our winter which they might not be too happy about.
I was just reading through the earlier comments and noticed a few people saying how difficult it might be to bring in players before the euro championship, and how their price would go up if they have a good tournament, etc.
It might be worth mentioning that Belgium haven’t qualified this time round, which means that a few of our ‘alleged’ targets won’t be involved, so I don’t see any reason why we couldn’t make an early bid for one or two of them. I’m not talking about Vertonghen or Hazard, who would almost certainly be out of our price range, but what about Toby Alderweireld and Kevin Mirallas? I think they’d tick the right boxes.
I certainly get the impression (well, it’s more of a gut feeling than anything else) that Alderweireld would be a much better choice at CB than Douglas, who we keep getting linked with. And I like the sound of Mirallas too. Recently voted player of the season in the Greek league, he’s mainly a striker (top scorer in that league) but can also play out wide, so he should be able to operate equally well in a 433 or 442 formation. And he’s also another one of Cabaye’s mates (played with him at Lille) so I’m wondering if he’s the one that Pards was hinting at, rather than Debuchy?
Chris G….the fact the window doesn’t open until 1st July makes it diificult also
bloody windows , they are a pane
How long have you been waiting for that little window of opportunity to tell that?
you see right through me Rich
That’s because you’re so transparent
Richie
yes, that is another good reason 
Clearly!!
Chris G, I don’t know much of anything about those 2 Belgian players, but sounds like u do and they would both be mint!
Well looks like that should be good for everybody in South Africa, get to see the lads play for real, hopefully get a few more fans to join in with you JJ and everybody else out there, we need the international fan base more than ever. Hope it’s televised back here
looks like we might not get douglas..
http://aggbot.com/Newcastle-United-News/article/16865821
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