TV money
It happens in any business of course as the men at the top tend to get wind of important things before they happen. Could that have been the case with this new bout of TV rights that promise to swell the coffers of any team that happens to be in the Premier League at the time?
The new deal, which kicks in for the start of the 2013-2014 campaign is worth a shade over £3bn and will run for three years meaning that for each game broadcast by either Sky or BT the Premier League will receive £6.5m, some of which will then be passed onto the teams who are participating.
It makes you wonder if all of these season ticket offers or ticket offers were priced in as they knew a deal like this might have been forthcoming? I’ve still not worked out the business sense behind such a long term ticket price freeze – to me it seems like cutting your nose off to spite your face – but if an increase in revenue was known it would have made it a bit easier to account for.
In terms of prize money it will mean that the team who happens to finish bottom of the Premier League will pick up more than Manchester City have raked in for winning the thing. To me it seems like reward for losing but hey ho, it is what it is I guess. The ladder between the Premier League and the those below is about to be pulled up a little bit more though…
The deal is the largest in the history if the Premier League and the rise comes at a time of financial austerity which defies the rise in cost. The original deal between Sky and the Premier League was worth £633,000 per game. In 1997 thins jumped to £2.79m and in 2001 it jumped again to £3.64m per game. However in 2004 the deal fell and games dropped to £2.47m a game before picking back up in 2007 to £4.12m per game. A smaller rise took place in 2010 to £4.3m per game – the current rate – which will be replaced by the new deal in 2013.
Of course that is not what each club gets per game, but it’s pretty safe to assume that each as the level of money goes up then the split each team receives will also rise.
Before anyone starts thinking that this will give us a help in the transfer market, I’d just like to point out that it will be the same for EVERY club in the Premier League potentially making transfer negotiations more difficult as more sides have finance to offer players a deal that may interest them.
Interesting times for the Premier League perhaps?
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What I can’t understand is how they are doing this at a time when they have lost a big amount of the revenue that came in from the pubs and clubs, many of which have switched to foreign satelite providers.
Toonsy, what about the foreign broadcast rights? They aren’t part of this right?
The reason I ask is that interest in although the Prem has been steadily growing in popularity here in the states it has absolutely exploded in the past 2 seasons.
well, we all know who is going to be paying for this
US!!!
if my sky goes up anymore, am going to have to get rid of the wife
shame thou, cause she’s done a canny job for the last 22yrs
Never mind, answered my own question. Looks like overseas rights are being determined later in the year. That will be another bonanza
@DJG
We’re insignificant. For every pub skipping Sky/ESPN costs and getting a foreign box I bet there’s 20 new subscribers across the world. That’s probably wildly underestimating it as well.
As toonsy said, it makes English players now even more expensive than players abroad.
Can only be bad for the national team. I think there’s way too much money in our leagues. It’s hard though, i think to have a better national team we would need a lower quality of football leagues here.
It’s too easy for our players to make a living, even in League 1/2 they get very decent wages now. In most other countries apart from the top league the standard is dire. This means as an up and coming professional you no that you have to work bloody hard to get to the top of that tree to earn a good amount, whereas our players (people like Ravel and Ranger) know they are now set for life, no hard work or application needed, they are basically guaranteed league football in their careers.
“Before anyone starts thinking that this will give us a help in the transfer market, I’d just like to point out that it will be the same for EVERY club in the Premier League potentially making transfer negotiations more difficult as more sides have finance to offer players a deal that may interest them.”
True. But some clubs won’t be able to spend it all since they will need the extra money to break even each year. It will likely all be profit for us
Is there anything more gluttonous than the premier league when it comes to money . It’s ruining our game with some owners/clubs out of control with their spending ,and all the while the small clubs in the lower leagues fight a daily battle to stay in existance ,what ever happened to the beautiful game ,it’s become obese on it’s own self importance.
Obese, full of it’s own self importance. Leave me out of this
well if we take any notice off the rags toon have pulled out of a deal for douglas of which ime pleased i didnt rate the guy,i hope young fergie gets a run out in the euros now they are out he needs game time imo and they have nothing to lose
Fergie playing in the Euros sounds like a reel development Ice.
SIDEKICK its just some say he hasnt got the weight to play l/b,cole and baines are real heavyweights then
i thought the kid switched from n/ireland,maybe it didnt happen
Prem@8
ice@9 Yeh ,best news of the day not going for Douglas .
relief all round ,I reckon we dodged a bullet with that one. 
Toonsy – I dont believe this board makes sentimental gestures like the price freeze coz they are getting from Sky or EPL. Personally I think the price freeze was simply to have a packed out SPORTS DIRECT ARENA. Doesn’t look good with large sections of the stadium empty, especially when you’ve put your name to it. The other think is that this doesn’t take effect until 2013-2014 season – we could get relegated next season, meaning we miss out and having learned lessons from last time I don’t think he would be that stupid.
I think he definitely would have known about this and, having balanced the books, it wouldn’t surprise me if this extra revenue is what will be used to pay back his loan, hence why he is making such long term plans like giving Carr an 8yr contract.
If he can get his money back from the loan, whilst at the same time making Newcastle an established top 6 Prem team, then he could look at selling the club for top dollar again.
Sharpy
Our of interest what do you believe “top dollar” to be? Surely more than the £200m that was touted in the relegation season. I personally don’t believe Ashley’s gunna leave any time soon, though I do agree that some of the fee could be used to repay Mike the 140m that he lent us, then we can use the rest of the money to remain stable financially and develop the team (also the youth team).
KIMTOON@13 your right about dogging a bullet by pulling out of the race for Douglas . The guy is overrated and he believes all the hype around him too .It would of been another Boumsong type signing .
Ice @ 12 why would he swap from God’s country to that shit hole
Isn’t the problem with making the Club more financially attractive also that it makes it more attractive to just er…. keep? If MA gets his loan back and starts raking money in on just such a bonanza, meanwhile hooking punters into long-term ST deals, building a CL team, expanding his brand worldwide and so on ad nauseam, won’t he just keep it? He’s all about making money, and make no mistake, nothing else. Mike only wants to sell a going-nowhere rich mans plaything, not a money-printing machine, he’s going nowhere unless he has to cut it loose and run.
i see that top site caught-off-side lol,are saying big sam has bid two and a half mill for shola after missing out on holt
Sharpy @ 14
your not as stupid as some say you are 
I agree with you the price freeze wasn’t brought out for the benefit of the fans
DAVE @ 17,i didnt know weather he switched,i dont get involed in politics mate
Ice nah mate he never but if Worthington had of stayed in charge he would have switched.
As for not getting involved tell that to the politicians and FA that allows our players to be brought up through the ranks at our expence and time for the ROI to sneak in at the last minute and poach them
ICEDOG thats Shola gone then
Ice @ 19 if only
but its probably just paper talk, but you never know
i tell you what i would take 2 and half mill for a bit part player comeing up 31
Andy – he has £140m to recoup so he’ll definitely be around for the next 10yrs i would think, unless a buyer agrees to pay the loan off aswell.
Don’t think he’s planning on selling anytime soon but by clearing clearing his loan he could ask for whatever he wants, whatever he sees as being ‘top dollar’.
I wouldn’t have a problem with that extra revenue being used to pay him back like.
Tsunki – how many football clubs turn a profit? Even the most successful clubs ‘rake it in’. I have no doubt that if the right offer was made for the club, he’d take it, regardless of whether the loan was paid or not!. That would be the right offer for him by the way, not the fans or future of the club.
Big Dave – ‘as stupid as some would say?’ it’s only been Ice up to now I think, you obviously heard different
Ice theres sometimes I think we should pay someone to take him of our hands
The reason to offer competitive season ticket prices based upon long term agreements is to allow the club to negotiate with their creditors from a stronger position. The key is Cash Flow. If a business can prove that they can/will be able to, service their debt, creditors such as Banks are more willing to be flexible regarding the terms they offer the business. You would probably find that any additional revenue that could be generated from higher priced season tickets, could alternatively be matched by the lower rates of interest a bank would charge us, for loans which we can show we can service by, amongst other things, having guaranteed income from 10 year season ticket sales. There is also a benefit as the repayment period of any load can also be extended meaning the monthly repayment amounts can be less …………. MA will have made detailed calculations.
Sharpy I wouldn’t drop anyone in it and grass them up
as Richie would be raging if I done that on him 
If it were true and we took 2.5 million for Shola ,Ba leaves and Celtic take Best , with Lovenkrands already gone that leaves us with Just Cisse and Ranger . We would need at least 2 forwards coming in .
Do we know how much each individual club gets? Would it be enough to fully repay Mike and have lots remaining?
Axel it would mean that we would have to get a few strikers in and maybe we could get some that can score more often than Best and Shola
i think pardew has been bulling shola up praying for a nice bid like this,if true of coarse
BIG DAVE wouldn’t mind us bringing Rhodes in from Huddersfield , that lad has bagged a fair few goals in the last couple of seasons . Young and English so if he started scoring in the premiership then he fits our transfer policy . Big Big resell value just because he is English .
AXEL think they are looking for upwards of 8mill mate,nee chance at that imo
Can’t sell Shola, who’s gonna slay the Mackems if he goes
Seriously ,he’s been a great impact sub this season ,I think we may miss him
Axel I think the biggest prob is that he’s english, as Ice says because of that they will be looking big money, see Ice isn’t as daft as some say he is
Kim I would risk it, as I don’t think he is worth taking a place in the 25 man squad just on the chance that he will score in 2 games a season
we need someone that can score more often imo
KIMTOON thats easy his brother of course , it’s in the family genes mackem slaying
DAVE
kna i think he will cost big money more so when you look at burnley getting 7mill for there striker hes scored a hell of a lot more goals all be it a diff lge but not now of coarse
Any one else starting to think England have a chance of surprising everyone now and getting to the Final . I am starting to get a bit excited about the tournament now with Rooney to get back in the team .At this moment the bragging rights are mine here in Holland , my workmates aint gonna like me if we keep on going
KIM@35 ive missed him a few times need to improve my aim
Ice
I don’t think my other comment @ 20 was took the way it was meant 
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As for the title im not surprised Rich hasn’t been on, I thought that that was a bit nasty of Toonsy to publically have a go at Rich
DAVE aussie said we have to keep a eye on richie while hes away a few days,felt he was near the edge while his white-mac was in the washing
DAVE go on to org hes running a comp to win a toon top worky sure to let you win mate
,dont tell kim she will beat you to it 
We shouldnt sell Shola, he’s been one of my favourite NU players for a few years now because he seems a nice guy and gets the job done when it’s asked of him. Would never start him but coming on after 65min he is class.
Ice
Its nice to see them giving something away for a change wonder who paid for it 
, I think I will leave Kim to try for it 
DAVE heard it was BATTY but dont know if i trust richie
but then again hes always slumming it up over there 
aye maybe thats why he’s filthy and stinking
I’d take 2.5m for Shola in a heartbeat, sentiment aside, the lad is coming to the end of his career, his scoring rate is poor and 2.5m is bloody good money for him!!
Personally, I’d let Shola go and keep Best but that wont happen and Shola won’t be sold.
I went missing for a while as little bollocks nicked my phone to play on before bed time.
Sharpy you shouldn’t let Batty use your phone he’ll run your bill up
Tried to register for .org so I could enter that shirt competition, it says my password should have been emailed to me, yet it hasnt and its been 30 minutes
. Why can’t they just ask you to make up your own?
SHARPY thought it was him makeing comments half the time
ANDY its because you talk to dave your getting checked out
Ice
Knew it would hinder me in someway at some point of my life
ANDY hes always causeing bother over there,might help if you drop a few quid in there kitty like
Andy when you do get on tell them I was asking about them, and tell Worky he is still a wanker
Ice
Feck all chance of that happening
Dave
will after I’ve got the shirt
ANDY your wiser than we were we all sent a few quid plus dave even sent him his lucky four-leaf clover
One of the questions is asking about highest point total for NU in the Premiership, just want to check, by ‘Premiership’ thats THE PL and not the league prior to 1992 right?
Ice
What did you send money for?
ANDY we all sent a few quid think they got a few hundred,but its a long storey,dave still gives him stick over it but got banned as he asked were it was ect ect,sad sad time mate
Not so good
Dave – you trying to get me into bother with Richie and Batty?
Ice – come on man, he’s only 3!! .. he cant text type .. just tells me what to write
Andy it was to pay his leccy bill
SHARPY your not allowed to pick on dave,if hes said something it must be reet,nee smoke without fire in daves defence
Dave
, reet my answers have been sent off, wonder when the winner will be announced. 
I’m sure
Ice – in that case Richies been calling me stupid
and Batty has small testicles 
SHARPY well it will be right dont forget all us members of the 500 club are honest men
Just realised that there’s a positive to Blackburn and Bolton going down, we start the season in the top half (9th)
Wigan fans will be mildly irritated that Wolves went
Sharpy never worry about Richie he’s a loaf short of a picnic
The football has been shite tonight like, still if Poland get knocked out at least it means they can concentrate on the fighting
aye one of the worst games ive seen in euros
Sharpy
Shame, I wanted Poland to go through, how the hell Russia went from winning 4-1 in their 1st match to being knocked out of the group I’ll never now.
Shame that the only chance that a co host will advance past the group stage would eliminate England, provided they beat us and France lose to Sweden.
Which teams will face Greece and Chekz? Got to fancy their chances there like!!
I do love the cameramen during the euros though, they always totty hunt in the crowds
Checks will face the 2nd placed team in group B, prob Denmark or Portugal, Greece will face Germany
got to watch mrs brown on bbc 10.30 pm i need a laugh
Anyone know anything about HBA? Someones commented on .org that he’s said he’s going to Chelsea on twitter.
ANDY tak nee notice of twatter mate
I try not to Ice, don’t even have an account but I’m a gullible f-cker
Andy – tomorrow’s top story perhaps, Ba deal off so they need something new to write
Sharpy
The Ba saga won’t be over yet
Andy Benny hasn’t tweeted owt for the last 2 days, so its a lot of shite mate, try not to be so gullible as it fuks your mind up and it’s worse if your a gullible Toon supporter.
Dave
I ken that
Thing is,Germany might be out too.
Been away for a few days and I see it is still slim pickings on the news front
Was hoping for a bit of positive news… Never mind there is always tomorrow 
In between kissing baldy heeds, didn’t Lauren Blanc ban the frenchies from using Twitter during the euros ? HBA will get his lug punched for sure, there’ll be nowt in it.
Wor Cabaye hasn’t done his status much harm so far with some sterling performances in the euros. Pardew HAS to push him further forward in the midfield next season..
Tiote to Chelsea, 5 million plus Michael Essien, rumour started here by me….
Oh, at first when I saw the headlines I thought this was an article aboot Richetoon
Andymag, just had a skeg on the dark side, and either you or the other bloke will win the shirt, cos thee 2 are the only ones taking part in the compo …
There again, if there are just the two of you, you’ll probably end up in second place
I feel like a Rodzilla experience taking over me here…where is iverybody, hung ower ?
MM
Would be typical
MM – the article is called filthy stinking rich, not filthy stinking bastard.. nothing to do with Richie mate!
My last comment was in jest, it reads a little harsh, don’t want to upset Rich
he is a sensitive fella 
Morning all ,couldn’t reply last night went to the local dive to see Doreen Doreen ,slightly sensitive today .
Ice and Dave -Dont worry I’m not greedy ,one shirts enough for me
Andy@75 Russia were my dark horse tip
Perhaps I should back Spain next 
ICE@79 –
Got the DVD classic stuff. 
Who we linked with /selling today then?
Everyone Kim
Aussie -Sounds about right
AMF you enjoy your walk-about then?,richie was going to follow you but got way-layed by the first food out-let
KIM aye mrs brown is a scream if she had a bit more weight she would be a dead-ringer of richie
Ice, was enjoyable mate
..the local economy at the small town I visited could have done with Rich coming along. The local bakeries and cafes would of had a record weekend in sales 
I see it’s Richie baiting day then
KIM we give him a day off on mondays what more could he want
for a sunday its a poor day for bull-shit storeys,ed has had to run with the shola storey
Nowt about today is there. Even the Sunday Sun can’t rustle up an “exclusive”
Any ideas?
TOONSY its so boreing the minds blank
Toonsy, what about this – why hasn’t the 35m been spent yet.. or should we trust ashley – is Pardew a yes man – are we a selling club – does this help?
Aussie – All last years stuff that is
Some still have not totally let go of those issues tho mate
The bottom line is that it is quiet because there isn’t really much to moan about at the moment
There’s always stuff to moan about…
True… it doesnt seem right not having a shit load of drama about, remember this time last year.. Barton tweeting, Nolan leaving, Enrique stalling on contract talks, new players not gelling… times certainly have changed….
Witters
it is an englishmans given right to whinge mate. 
But I’m struggling to even think of anything to moan about…
One issue sill remains unresolved from the start of the season.. could Cabaye be considered as a class player
I thought the Cabaye argument had been deferred until after next season when we have more data to support our analysis…
Good point Witters, we will park this debate until after the 12/13 season.. Only then can it be argued.. Troy will need this time to take his blinkers off also
Galatasary say that they aren’t signing Demba Ba because he isn’t a big enough signing for them ….. So they want Bentner isn’t?!
SHARPY bentner is bigger,in the head area like
Anyone follow Hamady Ba on twitter\?
Baby Ba fckin loves the toon, no doubt he’ll be egging Demba on to sign up.
Really frustrates me when people believe the rags, we have Lineker going on about “twitter rumours” saying Ba has signed for Galatasaray. His own brother says it isn’t true but still people believe the rumours!!
I can’t see the situation being resolved tbh. Don’t blame Ba at all, can’t blame the club too much either.
None of us would willingly worsen our own contract which is what he would be doing if he took out the clause without getting a pay rise.
But i also see the clubs point of view not giving wage rises to new signings.
Unfortunate situation.
Aussie…I think Troy will need that time to justify his transition from Cabaye isn’t class to Cabaye is class & how his arse doesn’t deserve to be seen in fenwicks window!
Sharpy
What the team who plays Elmander doesn’t believe that Ba is big enough.
See England fans are under investigation…
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18476818
We’ll no doubt be booted out of the tournament now
Witters
Boot England out…. it is the right thing to do … shame shame shame
I did notice there were significantly more stewards around the England fans on Friday night…I assumed that was based in reputation alone but maybe there’s some substance?
I tell you what – if things don’t start happening in the world of football soon I may be forced to watch this bloody tennis carry on!!
Well I finally have an idea. Shame it’s come too late and I’m about to start work but hey ho…
Got two part-written articles in draft aswell
Hey people. While we’re on the subject of Sky, just wondering what people pay here for their TV packages, and if anyone is with Virgin instead?
I’m just trying to sort out my elderly grandad’s Sky TV package for him. He’s been a customer for 15+ years, and his old Skybox is on the blink. They want him to pay £110 to upgrade it to a Sky+HD box since they don’t make the old ones anymore. Looked online at their deals, and new customers can sign up with them to get a free box, and a cheaper monthly rate than he’s paying! When I complained that this seemed unfair, after his 15 years of custom, I was basically told it’s tough.
JON aye its a problem bloody sky are rip off,just jack it in within a month they will be back at you to re-join and offer you all sorts,hang in there mate
you will win,or you could always go for a dreambox
Jon R @131- God it hacks you off so much, I’ve had same problems in the past with sky so when I got treated the same as your Grandad I left for Virgin . It can be more pricey depending what you go for but the customer service is very good . u.k call centres where most tech issues can be fixed there end if you phone them an d if your box or remote breaks it’s fixed free ,no call out charge and if you say your box is playing up they will often upgrade as a matter of routine . They may work out £6- £10 a month dearer but you save on equipment insurance monthly premiums you need to pay if you have sky. Plus you’ll end up with an old sky box for yonks untill you can afford to buy a new one. I’m on virgin ex large package ,that’s all channels except sky atlantic , Got all sports and movies and espn ,top speed broadband phone landline at £90 a month. But you Grandad can create his own bundle to his requirements ,get him to give them a call they are really helpfull I’ve found. Knock Sky into a cocked hat imo.
Jon ,Ice makes a good point as Sky ring me almost monthly now trying to get me back making all sorts of offers, but they seem to have a problem understanding my go forth and multiply approach to them.
The best way to get a better deal is just to call up and say you want to leave SKY, give a half-arsed excuse why, they’ll quickly say that they can upgrade you and say you’ll pay less.
Thanks guys (and Kim
). From what I can tell the Virgin package is almost £10 a month cheaper than his current Sky package for equivalent channels, plus 6 months with another tenner off, so definitely seems good. Think I need to write down exactly what Virgin are offering, then call Sky and give them an ultimatum 
Ice – god I don’t think he could cope with a Dreambox, he’s still struggling with his VHS player :p
JON
you screw them for a change mate,you only get to once 
JonR @131 – Sky have an existing customer offer to upgrade to a free HD box plus the hd pack free 3 months and £100 M&S voucher. And no I don’t work for them. Or M&S.
On the subject of bartering with SKY – I thought tales of getting your subscription were just gobsh*** but I phoned sky when they weren’t showing NUFC matches a while back and cancelled the sports thingy. Then while we were talking I said come to think of it, I’m buying a Freesat box so jack the lot, and was given the customary pleasant ‘OK, Bye then’.
2 Weeks pass and ‘Retentions’ call me, enquiring as to what made me leave. I think it is important to note that before they offered me anything, I was totally blase and uninterested, to the point where they then started offering. I have for the last year had Sky HD, with the HD pack, Standard, Kids and Sports pack for £32/month. Not sure how much more it should be, but the lad who I work with up the road has an old analog sky box, standard pack plus sports (he only watches the golf) for knocking on £50/month. Moral of the tale? They will take you for what you are willing to pay, but if you keep your nerve and stay away a while, they WILL get back to you – stay calm!
This is the SKY forum isn’t it?
TSUNKI all “gen”is handy mate weather your on sky or maybe thinking about it,they are robbing gits like
Ice – Agreed. But collectively we are crap at standing up to the greedy gets. How can they offer so much cash for the screening rights unless they knew for a fact we’d stump up for it? I have me season ticket coming for next year, but I know I won’t have the steel to cancel the sky in case they show an away game I can’t get to.
I am so weak. Don’t hate me
They were quite happy to lose my £ 60 a month or what ever it was I was paying them 5 years ago, so I thought sod em .within a month they was ringing me up and continue to do so the gits.
They AND Virgin got us all over a barrel to a certain extent and removing sky sports news from the free to view channels was a sly move as well, I mean its not like you actually see any action on it. I used to watch it in the kitchen now I can only see it on me main t.v with the Virgin box 
found this crap just for someting to read
http://www.footballfancast.com/2012/06/premiership/could-ba-be-heading-back-to-upton-park?
Wow that is crap. Loads of old stuff in there, it’s like a threatening letter made of old newspaper clippings.
Ice
aye I read it earlier, answers his own question at the end of the article saying Ba doesnt want to leave, why bother writing it? There’s no reason that he’d ever want to move back there for.
ginola defends toon, guy doing interview must kna nowt aboot footy
http://www.nufcfans.co.uk/david-ginola-defends-newcastle/?
Hello Sky customer support how may I be off help to you sir
Ice @ 143 aye the tossers have fuk all else to write about
Ronaldo about time
Well Holland heading out of the Euros , i can’t stand the portugal players and Ronaldo in particular .
Ice good on Ginola it seems the other guy knows fuk all
Hope holland score next – make it interesting. Think if Portugal score I think the Dutch will start kicking and loosing their cool.
Ronaldo has a Mr Whippy hair cut!!
Axel@149 I’ll second that.
Dave @150 Trouble with other countrys is they can’t see past Man u, Chelsea,Arsenal and Liverpool and now Man city. Glad Ginola set the record straight.
Fuck me Ronnies slap some brylcream on at half time hasn’t he, there’s the manager trying to give a team talk while Christiano stood winking at himself in the mirror while he sorts his barnet
first time ive seen that,the ref gave that player a klip
good on him 
SHARPY17 i hope holland do start losing it in the last 10 minutes and DeJong does a Ben Arfa job on RONALDO
well thats holland gone then
FEKKING Ronaldo what a cunt thats Portugal threw with the Germans
Axel
If he did it to Ronaldo, de jong wouldnt play football again, the press would slaughter him
Axel
If Denmark scores another Germany’s out
if denmark score germany oot
Ice
ANDYMAG good because i can’t stand De Jong either .
Axel – you may well get your wish now buddy.
Was a good goal that like but the Dutch have been well below average in this tournament. We twist about our National team but on paper the Dutch are far stronger but have been very disappointing (my feckin sweep stake team as well)
Hope Robben gets subbed and spits the dummy again and RVP gets sent off
bloody germans
wat a larf if the two ‘worst’ teams in the ‘group of death’ go through
oh cancel that Germany scores
Axel@157 &162 Second that in all
i said from the start the dutch wouldnt get through,to many big heeds in that camp,they always fight among them selves,dicks
Nice to see us all at our zenophobic best tonight
SHARPY17 not only have they been well below average ,they have been totally shite . Alot of dutch are blaming Van Marwijk for only having one game plan and only changing things when its far too late to save themselves .
* xzenophobic
RVP has been piss poor!! and to be honest, haven’t really seen much to get all that excited about Afellay either … could keep his price down and put off other clubs?
Axel ,The Dutch are worse than the English for looking for scapegoats.
Got to be said Germans looking a bit dull tonight .
Robben – was he on the pitch tonight? Nobody mentioned him
Well that’ll be Germany and Portugal through to the 1/4 finals then .cause I can’t see Greece and the Czechs beating them in a million years.
Axel – think he could be blamed for playing too defensive against germany and denmark but to be fair RVP missed chances you’d have expected him to put away. Don’t think it helps him when the likes of Robben spits his dummy when he does make changes like. I know it was a difficult group but to finish with no points at all, you have to fancy him to get the sack now like?!
So is that Germany v Greece and Portugal v Chekz?
SHARPY not a lot of dutch could understand Affelay’s inclusion in the squad , he hardly played last season for Barca because he was injured . Not only that they took Narsing and never played him while he had the most assists in the Eredivise last season .
Got to agree it’s virtually a bye for Germany to the semis. They’re going to win it, aren’t they? I have a sneaky sneaky feeling Spain are going to be vulnerable. Not to us though.
Just watched an interview with Van Marwijk he admitted at the end of it he made mistakes .
Biggest of which was taking the job in the first place by that showing. Ruination of a perfectly good team.
Lads yeah Van Marwijk has made mistakes but you can’t blame him for the fact that RVP and Robben have been shite and the rest of the players all like to fight with each other because of their egos
Axel – which Dutch player that we have been linked with so far would you most like to see at the toon?
Yeah fair enough the players have a lot to answer for, but it’s like Domenech with that chronic French side – selection is a courageous step in the process and much could be done at an early stage to select a team that actually wants to play for the team. Management is about a lot more than just pushing your best players on the pitch. It looks like another episode of players succeeding in pushing over the manager.
DAVE@181 spot on mate
SHARPY de jong,didnt get a game
SHARPY Luuk De jong and i am pleased we have dropped our interest in Douglas . One player we have not been linked with but would love too see is Narsing. As for Anita he has potential but would not walk straight into our team but his Ajax team mate Anderweil would .
Anyway, anyone get the horrible feeling England could succumb to 1-0 against a very ordinary Ukraine?
Me neither.
Tsunki thats the power the players have and the countries FA, the manager basically is just the coach.
Say Van Marwijk dropped the big time charlies RVP and Robben etc and they got beat he would then get the blame for not picking the big players, thats just the way the game has went
Ice – how do you mean?
BIG DAVE your right you cant blame him for his best players losing form but he should have changed things and didn’t . One thing i will say in his defence , the dutch have a chronic shortage of defensive talent the very best defenders in the Eerdivisie are Belgian Vantonghe and Anderwiel
SHARPY hes in the squad mate,but only on the bench
So, for whatever reason, Van Marwijk wasn’t the man to get them playing. I will concede that if players decide not to perform, it doesn’t matter what tactics you adopt. But there are managers out there that can sort that attitude out.
Axel – would love us to get De Jong and Anderwield like, and also pleased we’ve fucked Douglas off. Have you seen much of Rosales?
I still like Pieters but he’s going through an injury stage of his career so doubt it will ever come off
TSUNKI@187- I agree Ukraine could be a sticky wicket for us for sure. We really got to keep hold of the ball better and start defending set pieces more skilfully too or we’ll pay dearly. Ukraine will want to better Polands showing and have a partizan home crowd behind them ,it’s going to be a tough game and not the walk over everyone thinks imo. Ofcourse it all depends which England turn up .
Typical that we have to be the team to either knock out or let through the home nation. We can’t win, figuratively.
Sharpy@193-Agree on those choices ,Toby would be great I reckon.
The pieters thing is interesting as the very fact he’s injury prone makes him more likely to sign for us ,going on our past recruitments. We seem to tread where angels fear in that regard.
Ice – I’m afraid you have completely lost me again buddy?!
I don’t remember mentioning De Jong being in the team?! Nigel De Jong has been in the team all 3 games but Luuk De Jong has been on the bench and not played at all
Tsunki@195 Ain’t that the truth.
TSUNKI as a club trainer Van Marwijk is well known for his handling of difficult players . Trouble is as Trainer of Holland you dont have the depth of quality as say Germany , Spain ,France or Italy his hands are tied a bit in that respect , he needs his best players to be on their best behavior but we all know the Dutch spit the dummy out ever since the time of Cruijff , Van Hanegem and the van der kerkhoff’s .
it was luuk de jong i was on about not playing,give your phone back to your lad,hes more with it
The Dutch are a real enigma ,if England had a team with that much talent we’d be unstoppable I reckon. They are a funny old lot ,always shoot themselves in the foot when it matters.
SHARPY i think we should leave Rosales alone , not that he is a bad player but no better than we already have . As for Pieters your right the last 2 seasons he has been getting one injury after the other , Shame because when fully fit he is a good defender that can play equally well as CB as LB . just dont expect him to be an attacking LB he is a true defender .
Ice – I have never said anything about De Jong playing or not playing is the point I’m making, are you reading the wrong persons comment?
Axel
I thought the dutch had good depth, apart from defence which was shocking today.
I know, I know, they’re the latest petulant lot to hit the international stage. Not entirely convinced by the depth of quality, that’s not really an excuse as, on paper anyway, they have enough talent to keep up with most. A very average spread of talent can win the tournament as Greece and Denmark have shown in the past. I agree that in some cases, a team can club together to rid themselves of a manager they don’t like, and take their side down the toilet, for example Chelski with AVB, who miraculously revived to win the CL. But playing for country is a different thing, or should be, and motivation should be at the managers disposal. He has a team full of free transfers on a whim, so he can call the shots more than any club manager. How did Roy handle taking Terry but having to leave behind Ferdinand? Tough choices can be made if they make the right team.
KIMTOON i reckon at this moment England have as much talent as the Dutch , Just look at wellbecks goal and how Wallcott played when he came on not too mention Rooney and the Ox has impressed me every time i have seen him .Add too that the old heads Cole , Gerrard and IMO Defoe (natural goal scorer) we are better than most give us credit for .
ANDYMAG they have depth in attack but not in defence apart from the goal keepers . All their best midfielders are attacking midfielders apart from the cunt De Jong who is a thug .
SHARPY @182 i said @ 185 de-jong meaning thats who i would like at toon i never put luuk as nobody would want that other dick,or maybe you would,thought you would know that when i said he never played
Sharpy is Ice lost you again
Tsunki im looking forward to seeing how RDM controls the players now that they have got used to not having AVB around, as I honestly think the players wanted rid of AVB that bad that they would have played for anyone aslong as it wasn’t AVB.
Ice I knew what you were on about
but tbh I don’t really know that much about LDJ as I haven’t watched much of him, but i’ll trust your judgement 
DAVE aye big al just about said that about AVB as players talk all the time so if he goes to spurs he will get the same probs,think its bloody wrong players running the club like,nolan barton ect did it at toon for a while
BIGDAVE it will be interesting too see how the Chelski players respond too RDM when he brings his own players in and puts the likes of Lampard and Terry on the bench ala AVB . Thing is RDM is loved by their fans unlike AVB and that makes a diffrence .
Two questions:
What the fck does Krul have to do to get in this shitty Dutch team?
Also Toonsy, why no match previews and ‘Game on’ threads for England games?
DAVE @210,thats because you understand what footy is aboot,unlike some
Axel @206 You may be right, but we are not as technically gifted in respect that few of our players seem comfortable on the ball and we have a tendency to resort to hoofball when panic sets in .We do have some world class players though I would agree, though on paper the Dutch look better imo. Then again if we look at the Greek team you wouldn’t of expected them to get out the group ,but they do well because they work effectivly as a unit ,so I suppose anything is possible.
Axel I don’t think RDM will have the balls to put them on the bench, he will wan’t to keep them on his side.
As I said earlier players now have far too much power, and RDM knows it’s usually the manager that makes way rather than a couple of players.
Ice as you know I said that all along about Nolan running the show but loads told me I was just saying that because I didn’t like him, and thats why I didn’t want CH as manager, as he didn’t have the balls to stand up to Nolan and Co.
I like a manager to have steel to make hard decisions
Jesus ever since the final whistle the inquest has begun here in Holland on all the tv channels . They are all speculating on Van Marwijks future and some players have already said on camera that all was not well in the dressing room . Surprise ,surprise . It is now Hollands worst run ever in a finals if you count the lost WC final . Never before have they lost 4 on the bounce .
Stu I think Krul can’t break into the team because the seniors have too much power.
As for Toonsy I think he is struggling to get articles up with being away on the continent with work
KIMTOON you hit the nail on the head ,working effectivly as a unit ,Hodgson has us doing that and with a bit of quality in the squad as well . The last England manager that did that was Sir Bobby at Italia 90, Roy knows what he is doing ,he has done it before with Sweden and Switserland .
Ian Holloways written an interesting piece in the Mirror today regarding the extra money coming into the PL and what should be done with it. Have a read if you get the chance ,he makes some interesting points.
Kim have you a link for it
Ah ,Italia 90 ,now that WAS good .
Dave no ,just read it in the Mirror ,but if you go to Mirrorfootball.co.uk you should be able to find it.
Toonsy’s working on the continent? Are they short of bus drivers over there or has he taken over from Brendan on Coach Trip? I can see the likeness…
Dave – just a bit
Ice – I understand that bit and no I wouldn’t want Nigel De Jong in a replica strip. I just don’t get why you directed the comment to me when I hadn’t mentioned De Jong before that point?!
Anyway, who really gives a fuck, I’m off to my pit, sleep well all of you
ime afraid holloway will never get a top job,hes says it as he sees it imo,pity like
laters
Ice I’m a massive Ollie fan even though there’s the Bristol rovers link
.He’s a very intelligent guy and deserves to manage a PL club imo.
Nite Ice , Right I’m off too ,bed calling .
Kim cheers and take it easy
Ice
..sheck……..SHAKOONAAYYYYY
…that’ll dee me like.
Holland=poop
….got to admit, I love a Bender like, but that goal won is an extra few tenners
WAHEYYYYY!!!!
Seriously, had 25 quid on over2 goals in the Porchiggul game at 1.875.
…ind a tenner on Porchiggil/Jormni dubbil it 3.5
WE ARE THE BEN-DERS
THE JORMIN BENDERS
Morning Dave, get the fucking kettle on
Stu aye Toonsy is Brendan
Rod the kettle is on and the pot noodle is ready
, good to see you take a few squid of the bastad bookies
aye Dave, a nar mi shit me like
…
Dave, ye really should make the step up from Pot Noodle though.
I see you as boiling within a league most snacks would perish.
It just goes to show, some cunt will always talk shit before you, you cunt.
BONG
…Terny Blair, Arthur Scargill Bananarama
BONG!!!!!
Rod but the pot noodles are my comfort food, if theres no other left overs
Next person to comment is a tosser
…that would be me then
next person to comment is a TOTAL CUNT!!!!!!!!!!!
…guess that’ll be me then.
reet Rod I leave you to it mate im away to get a cuppa and try to stay up to watch the golf, but I can’t see me staying up. so will you lock up and turn off the lights
? he
yeah whateverer
…atelyiz whar tho.
Sausage, egg & tomato work well as a three-piece
Corned beef pastie, selassie Aye
bollocks
yeah, anyway, as I was saying, look no further than that glorious fat chunk of an isle, well almost.
SPAIN!
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amazing how many people believe what they read.
….they’ll never guess our man-love, ‘Uncle Toons’.
All aboard the bum tunnel!
Have we signed anyone yet?????
Morning All.
Ice – at approx 00.36 hours last night, I think the penny dropped mate!!!
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I think I get what you were on about. I was saying that Afellay had a quiet tournament so his value should stay down.
Your later comment which simply said “sharpy, de Jong didn’t get a game mate
which I read as you suggesting I said he had played, was actually suggesting that having not played, his value should also be kept down!!!
(dont worry I’ll explain your postings for you)
In which case your dead right
I don’t think I’ve ever slept so peacefully have cracked the Ice cryptic text
(but tears of joy) 
Sharpy…no, you’ve got it all wrong Ice didn’t mean that at all…start again
Richie – he has to, trust me I have considered every other interpretation and nothing else makes sense (this one only just about does ffs!!)
It was like a real Eurika moment. There were car alarms going off and people out in the street asking what the fuck that noise was when the penny finally did drop
I see Rednapps saying he wouldnt trade the English attack for the Spanish one.
that’s why your no longer a manager.
Andy@259 -I actually think he suffers from delusions old Arry, bless him
He’s the oracle of news for other teams players contracts.
can you imagine the daily soundbites the media would of got.
He could’ve signed Ba ,Cisse and Benny.
Spurs would of won the League within two years
and now apparently England have a better front line than Spain :
He would of been a scream as England manager .
spuds up 1st at home
Aye, nice easy start
http://www.nufc.co.uk/articles/20120618/201213-fixtures-released_2281670_2814838
This is exactly how i wish the fixture would come out.
Something same as the last season,start off with clubs that are at the top half,after that,win games.
End off with a Home game as well.
In fact,we will finish manchester united matches in the same calendar year.
Not bad.
The gap is pretty much far apart of meeting top half clubs again.
Chris Hughton set for emotional return to SJP on Sept 22 as #nufc face #ncfc.
Tough festive trip to #Arsenal on December 29th three days after visit to Old Trafford #nufc #mufc
Angel@266-Beat me to it .Could be a not so merry xmas looking at those festive fixtures.
I always look at last 7 games in case we in a relegation battle ! Fulham,Scum,Baggies,Dippers,Hammers,Qpr and Arsenal . Should be a potential 10 to 13 points out of those depending on confidence levels should we be in a bad situation. Not trying to be a negger ,I always do this , am I the only one who does it ?.
We have to play everyone so I am not fussed what order it is in….. just wish it start sooner
Surely Van Marwick has got to resign. Holland were cack, I’m so happy for Robben !!!
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