The three stooges
There seems to be a conflict of thoughts as well, regarding what the club are actually doing to get these type of players into the club with a few fans believing we aren’t seriously trailing these players because they believe the club is putting derisory bids in, knowing that those bids will be rejected out of hand as laughable. Although it’s understandable why fans can think this way, we must not forget that this club is still in transition, regardless of our excellent finish to last season.
Obviously the summer is an exciting time as regards potential signings for us all but it’s also a game of cat and mouse as far as the club are concerned and it’s on that basis that we have to look deeper into how the club operate, even though many of us, if not all of us actually do know that the club play hard ball.
I can understand many fans thinking that we are Newcastle United and we should be competing on the higher plains right now, but really, if we stand back and take a long, deep, wide angled look, we can see that the club still need to conduct any dealings, sensibly and within a budget to ensure that we are in a position to actually build on what we have and not slip down the ladder as has been well documented in the past.
I’m one fan that would love to see some tasty signings in, to bolster the quality throughout the squad as it obviously does give us a better than average chance of capturing some kind of silverware, yet the old saying of “wise men sing and only fools rush in” is not something we want to become accustomed to like we did in the past, no matter what big names are out there.
As Liverpool proved last season with the signings they made, it seemed to be a case of, “we are Liverpool and we should be fighting for the title, so let’s buy players no matter what” – and indeed they did buy those players at top, top prices, as Andy Carroll’s transfer can attest to, yet look where it got them.
Liverpool managed to do what Newcastle had been trying to do under the old regime, which is a QUICK FIX option instead of getting out the drawing board and building on the actual bonafide quality within their squad.
Patience is still the key issue with all of us fans and also the club itself, which in all fairness, is exactly what Ashley, Llambias and Pardew appear to be not lacking in, which in the long term will ultimately benefit us as fans and the club as a full unit for many years to come.
We are building an exciting squad of players, including an influx of quality youngsters with very obvious potential added to those youngsters that are close to actually making their mark and becoming stars in their own right, meaning they will be a part of this team, adding to the strong team bond and quality that will make other clubs sit up and take real notice and also, other fans of other clubs lauding the quality we produce.
Make no mistake lads and lasses… this club is in fine fettle and is very close to running like a Swiss watch because the ticking is constant and the mechanism is guaranteed to keep on running and as long as Pardew and Co keep on winding it up, we will keep on ticking without missing a tick, which will enable us and the club to TOCK the TOCK as well as walk the walk.
Patience, understanding and the ongoing feel good factor should be the order of the season, which will ultimately produce dividends in short order as far as I’m concerned.
What do you all think?
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We’re not going to sign anyone, we are doomed. Doomed I say!!
Typical bloody Aussie optimism
Your lucky you caught me on a good day Prem
just a response to the previous thread. Last season we started without Santon, HBA or Cisse in the starting 11. To me we are considerably stronger for that.
I’m glad to see that there are like minded supporters around, I totally agree with your article. Long may this new found reality and sensible running of the club last. HWTL
The signings will come and I agree with prem that we are even stronger than last season. We are where we are in this moment of time because of how the board and staff have stuck together and that’s made us more of an attractive option to players who want to come to this club
A signing to be announced at 3-5 pm today
Wolfie – agree with alot of what you say, and if we had made at least 1 signing so far I may even agree all of what you say.
We are in fantastic shape, but to sit back in admiration and focus on good signings made in the past is the wrong thing to do.
Lille have made it clear they will find a replacement for Debuchy first – fine, so go buy a centre back or centre forward now and be patient with Debuchy.
I don’t think it’s too much to expect. I mean, as Richie said earlier, Pardew himself wanted players in before the Euros started – how long have they been finished now?
It benefits everyone getting the players in as early as possible. I don’t care who or how much just get it done.
whatever i think of Ashley or even LLambias, i cannot deny the results of the seeds that they have planted at the club, although this season we will be stretched to or even beyond breaking point because of the extra games in Europe i still remain optimistic of being up there at the end of the season.
One gripe though!, i am not or ever will not buy any training gear(i usually do every change) with sports direct shite patches on them!!! GRRRR!!
I think people are just disappointed as we were told that there would be some business completed early i.e before the Euros because there were some talents that we were interested in and they were bound to impress? Whether that was debuchy or not, all that we know is that didn’t go to plan and so far neither have our *apparent* targets in LDJ or Douglas. It’s bound to put people on edge.
Prem add to that the development of some of the players like Krul.
There were still debates ongoing on Krul vs Forster/Harper
CB is the only position that is an absolute necessity. No striker would be a gamble based on Senegal’s qualifying result. But I can see Ashley maybe taking that gamble if no suitable striker becomes available. Debuchy would be an excellent signing, but if it doesn’t come off I would be tempted to stick with Simmo, give Tavernier some game time and reassess next summer.
What does anyone think of the chance of Carroll coming back?
Now Graham courtneys said its a done deal, I expect the carroll deal to die a death…
I must say that I totally agree with Wolfie. You really can’t argue with the way Dekka, Ashley and Pardew have played the transfer market recently. The amount of talent we’ve brought into the club in the last two years for so little money is pretty astonishing. I think we must remember as well, that we usually use a cloak and dagger strategy in the transfer market. As Pardew makes pains to say, we don’t generally do our transfer dealings in public, as we saw with the arrival of Cabaye, Santon etc, so it doesn’t really concern me that we’re not hearing about big bids for players. Hopefully we can get a couple of new players through the door of St James’ in the next week or two in time for the start of the season though. I’d prefer it if we could avoid deadline day drama if possible. Fingers crossed that come September 1st we’ve brought in a few new faces to improve the first team and some to add competition/depth, while keeping all of our big names.
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Yeah a striker isn’t a necessity, I wouldn’t call it a luxury mind but we could maybe get by without. It could be argued we’d be a better side with just playing either Ba or Cisse in the main striker role with Marv/Benny either side to provide them. Even if they both got injured we would have other options-we could even try playing Benny up front and just control the midfield.
The big problem is defence-namely Colo. Thank god we only missed him for a few matches last year because if we have Staylor/Willo or Staylor/Perch or god forbid Perch/Willo then we won’t be challenging for much. Plus we’ll be hoofing all match which just brings more trouble to the already weakened defence…another first team defender to compete properly with Staylor please!
Sharpy @ 8 , have we not signed two players already?
@JAY JAY how do you know about this signing??
Newkie must ask why since Colo is the worry we are apearntly chasing Douglas when M’Baiwa would be better cover.
I’m usually pretty calm and I’m not “anti ashley” by any means, but I am a bit frustrated with this window but only because its of such importance. This season is important for so many reasons-we’re in Europe again and we have the chance to showcase ourselves on a global stage again-increasing interest in us from both players and foreign markets. Its also vital we do well so that we can keep players like Cisse, Ba, Cabaye, Tiote and Benny who could all be at top CL level clubs. We need to convince them they can fulfill their ambitions here.
The other big opportunity is of course that both Arsenal and Spurs, despite spending a shedload of money so far (certainly more than we will) are on uncertain footing, could lose vital players and are dealing with fan uncertainty and unhappy players. This is a season where we really need to try and supplant these teams because it seems like Chelsea will be right back up there and those are the only two teams we can compete with on a financial level.
Premandup-Exactly, would love M’biwa. A much better choice than Douglas imo who seems a bit of a donkey, M’biwa would not only challenge for a first team spot but could cover the full back positions as well..not sure whether he’d be interested though
Newkie @19 I agree this a big season for us and a chance to really go for a top 4 place. We have a very good starting 11 as we showed last season and no reason if we kept that starting 11 together we couldnt achieve what we done last season. I do think the Europa league will have a big impact on us and maybe the plan would be keep last seasons starting 11 for the league and use a reserve / youth side for the Europa league? We will still need additions as we are short on cover at the back and now upfront but we have time to get players in.
I disagree with Chelsea, yeah they are throwing massive money at improving the team but they have the same problem as they had last season, senior players who are past their best have too much control and wont be long before Di Mateo gets the sack and they be in trouble again.
Johno-I know what you mean with using the youth in Europa and cups especially early on, but the fact is if we want to win anything we will have to use some senior players, and more of them at each stage otherwise we risk being embarrassed. We’ve already been embarrassed by Stevenage and Brighton and we were actually using some important first team players in both.
Hopefully we can get ourselves into some winning positions in the league and give the youth players some good game time there, allowing for some actual rotation and meaning that they’re not completely thrown in at the deep end when they have to start a euro/cup game.
Re Chelsea-the thing is, once you throw enough money at something it will work out eventually.The fact that playerslike lukaku can’t get a match is astonishing really given his quality. The one weakness Chelsea have had has been a small squad or only a good first 11, but like Mancity they seem to be overloading with quality now. Plus Drogba off will be a good thing for them imo, Torres will more than likely find his shooting boots and other players will get the nod. I don’t think Di Matteo will last that long, but the fact that Ambramovich is still happy to throw money around is only bad news for us.
Well, I say eventually it pays off-for everyone bar the Mackems anyway
(Net spend over last 5 seasons)
Manchester City: £430.77 million
Chelsea: £159.7 million
Liverpool: £99.25 million
Sunderland: £57.6 million
Tottenham Hotspur: £49.4 million
Manchester United: £47.25 million
Swansea City: £8.25 million
Everton: £5 million
Newcastle United: -£30.25 million
Arsenal: -£31.3 million
I’m glad you showed that list Newkie.. there seems a lot of concern around ‘keeping up with the jones’s ‘ at the moment. Liverpool spent a fortune last season and failed badly & Chelsea struggled although they managed to redeem their season with their cup wins.. So worrying about other teams spending spree’s is a pointless endeavour if you ask me.. We have done better than most in the market place so we should have no fears going forward….. or small ones at the very least
well another plus is that BA’s release clause expires in 11 days and counting. only first team player actually gone is Guthrie even then he only played due to injury or ACN, we’ve signed two who could do that job Gael and Amarettofilopastry so we’re stronger already
Money doesnt buy you success Newkie , look at the shepard era for us as proof
I do agree with your point about winning something ( can only imagine what it be like when we do ), however I dont think we have the squad to compete on 2 or 3 fronts. We dont have the money to buy the squad needed for that but I feel we are building a squad to and giving the youths a chance helps us.
Chelsea’s problems arent on the pitch it is off them. Terry has too much control and Abramivach also has too much input. Myabe Di Matteo is a perfect fit to keep the egos happy has he just seems happy to be there. But I think Chelsea will struggle next season.
Aussie-To be fair though I would have traded our season with Liverpools-not that the league cup is as good as the F.A cup (which I want us to win desparately) but it’s still a cup like.
Like you said though given what they’ve spent it is pretty bloody funny..
1664 and blind optimism
That is is Stevep@ 25 , not sure how many mins Best and Mclovin got after Cisse arrived but I wouldnt say much. I think both had their injury problems but still.
Jay….1664 never lies, ktf
Johno – yes mate, and I’ve acknowledged that on previous articles, but they are young up and coming midfielders, not CBs or CFs that we need – that Pardew has identified as ‘priority’ signings.
Clearly there is a divide of people who get the point I’m making and those that don’t – I’m not doubting more players will come in, just would like it done early like every other team chasing top 4 seem capable of doing.
Newkie, the thing is this….. if are not prepared to buy a title like City and Chelsea have in the past, you must have a plan in place to progress and prosper. O.k we have only had one good season but we have a plan in place and we are working to it. I believe that there are not a lot of other teams that have this discipline at the moment. It can be frustrating as we wait for signings but at least we aren’t signing the likes of O’shea and Wes Brown. We could have these types streaming through the door but we choose to select players that fit a certain criteria. No one close to 30 will be signed, big names and mercenary’s are a no go and there is a big focus on youth.. I reckon this will set us a part from the pack in the years to come….
Sharpy….The problem is the other teams chasing top 4 are a more attractive proposition to players than we are even before you take into account the bigger pay packets they can offer, unfortunately that’s a problem we’ll have for the foreseeable future
Johno-Small change doesn’t buy you success, that’s all it is when you compare our spending to City’s. To be fair though, we were in the champions league…I realise it was unsustainable and all that malarky but we were arguably unlucky given that had we stayed in the CL for a few more years we would have been raking in the cash like clubs are nowadays..
Aussie- I know mate, thing is I’m not sure if we *do* actually have a plan, more that what we’ve done in the past two seasons has worked and we’re just trying to do the same again. Seriously how many “models” or five year plans have been mentioned? We sound like Stalin’s Soviet Union
I agree its working though, and its up to Pards and the board to continue the success
Newkie…We’re only on plan ‘F’ at the moment…..loads more versions to get through yet
I disagree Newkie, Dekka stated there would be no more marque signings and they would develop the youth team so they would fill first team places in the future.. this seems to be happening so to say there is no plan is a bit harsh..
Newkie, Listen to Richie mate, he knows all about f’s, his school reports were full of them
“f” off
Aussie-Thing is mind, our youth really haven’t gotten much game time. Fair play Fergie and Sammeobi were injured for much of last season, but even so they’ve rarely featured. Given the promise that Vuckic showed when we first signed him he’s not really any closer to a first team spot either.
The club seem confused as to whether to loan them out or play them in cup matches, the only player who seems to have had serious loan time is Tavernier and it seems to have improved him immensely so I’m surprised the others haven’t been offered around in the same manner
Sorry Sharpy my comment was meant purely tongue in cheeck and was meant to of stuck a
to show that but didnt! My bad 
I would be aware you knew we had signed those two players, Not going to even attempt to spell them!
Get 2 defenders in and give our young guys a go at filling any gaps, we have not done this in recent memory and we have had no success, so what have we got to lose…. other than points
Have we signed Carroll yet ??
Really hope we don’t get Carroll.
But what Premandup said @4 is spot on. We’ll be able to start with Santon, HBA, and Cisse in the squad this year, which will be huge. Sammeobi, Ferguson, Tavernier, Vuckic, and Abeid will hopefully be further along too!
Stronger squad already. We just REALLY need defensive cover
Afternoon all ,ain’t missed much I see. Still no signings
Sharpy @31 I’m with you mate ,just don’t understand why no one has come in ready for preseason games like. That’s not panic either ,it’s common sense.
Honestly, we have known we need a stronger defence especially CB cover for ruddy yonks now .These players should be well scouted and researched well befor the window opens ready to close a quick deal .Don’t get me wrong I’m fully aware we have done really well in the transfer market and seem to be going in the right direction but good god ,how hard can it be to secure a players service. I have bought and sold houses quicker than this lot can negotiate a transfer of a human being
Just watched the NUFC TV highlights – what a Legend Harper is! And Demba
Bigpapa@47 That’s one thing we can all agree on.
Kim…It is common sense if it can be done, I doubt the club are deliberately dragging their heels as Pards will want them in as quick as possible, targets will have been identified/scouted in advance etc but the buying club can’t control the speed of transfers, only the selling club or the player can do that
@KIMTOON
I kinda feel sorry for him, he says his 90mins against Monaco was his first for NUFC since the american tour last year against Colorado
Poor git
the water rafting looks awesome though, good to see everyone loving it – derek wright got a bit of stick tho!!
Richie-I think heel dragging is precisely what Ashley and Lambias do though (unless there’s a buy out clause, then we act quick) It’s all about the margins, if we can say we’re interested but won’t pay top dollar then clubs ideally drop their prices, or more often than not the player fecks off to another club. Don’t get me wrong, the cheaper the better, but every now and then you have to pay to get the quality, just look at Colo and where we’d be without him.
We’ll already have played three games by the time the transfer window shuts, hardly good gelling time if that’s when we bring in our players-in all likelihood they won’t speakmuch english either!
Newkie I agree you have to pay quality money for quality players alot of the time I don’t recall ever saying otherwise, but no point blaming the club for every transfer that breaks down or doesn’t get done in double quick time when none of us know all the facts(if any), supposedly Twente shifted the goal posts for De Jong then once a UCL team came in for him that’s where he wanted to go, not NUFC’s fault if true, Lille want to get a replacement in, not NUFC’s fault if true…..Douglas, who the feck knows, could be him waiting for a better offer or the club or maybe we’re not even after him…for all we know Pards may have only £15m to spend so yep let’s blow £12m on LDJ and £7m on Debuchy….oh hang on, we couldn’t
CC @13, Just listened to Courtney on Talksport and he sounds very confident about Carroll.
Link for anyone thats interested – http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/andy-goldsteins-sports-bar/120720/courtney-newcastle-and-liverpool-will-meet-middle-over-carroll-177013?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Richie-Nah I know what you mean, I’m not blaming anyone I just feel that right now its okay to be disappointed with how the transfer window has gone and people who are disappointed shouldn’t be chastised or told to be patient.
I’m a NUFC fan, course I’m patient! Just because i’m currently disappointed doesn’t mean I’m angry or without hope-I’m still very hopeful and looking forward to see what happens and who we bring in, I’m not angry, just disappointed that we’re not on target because as Pards himself said he was hoping for a player or two by now. It’s just the same as the rest in regards to our football-I’m ecstatic about how are season went but surely everyone get’s disappointed after a loss or a draw, particularly if we had a chance of something better. Its exactly the same really.
Johno – wasn’t having a go mate, I respect everyone’s views on here. Some one made the same comment yday when I said we hadn’t signed anyone yet.
I’m just impatient I suppose mate, but I know we can do great things again next season and show the world were not just a one season wonder, just want all players ready for it, that’s all
Watching the women’s football…looks like 22 Andy Carrolls on the pitch with all those pony tails!
Mind, their first touch is probably better…
Newkie aye mate, fecking hate the transfer windows every ones on edge, hope, pain, anger, disappointment, joy(sometimes)
be glad when it’s all over tbh.
Newkie
What are you watching it with?
Richie-Aye, its got a bit of everything! I must admit, I hope we do get a bit of drama this season, I did love the Ben Arfa thing two years ago even though it killed me, and watching Cabaye’s last game for Lille and announcing he’d be coming here was awesome, even if i didn’t understand what he was talking about
Andy-BBC1 mate
Sharpy….I hadn’t noticed you were impatient mate
like ya say would be nicer getting them in sooner rather than later, but also it’s better late than never 
not getting them in at all though would be piss poor management
Newkie
Might give it a watch then
Hi all, a bit of stat madness for you, in case you missed it. It’s about regaining possession and how our midfield monster Tiote is 2nd in the league per minute of play. West Brom’s Mulumbu is first.
http://www.eplindex.com/16586/players-regain-possession-stats-comparison-1112.html?
Robert…cheers for the link…he said last Friday he heard about it….he might have the same “source” as me, that’s when I heard it, my source is shit though
Andy-Would’t bother mate, its painful
Newkie
Good thing zoe’s not hear, you’d hang for that
Graham Courtney is a total gobshite. U can safely disregard anything he has to say
Andy
Not as painful as watching the men’s England side,am I in the clear now like?
not a fan then M? ..who is he anyway, just a talkshite presenter?
richietoon….spot on there when you say you cannot really blame the club 100% when the transfer deal doesn’t go through. At the end of the day, we need to frugally pick out the players who will improve the team, then try and sign them. Spending a shed load of cash doesn’t always guarantee you success, Liverpool last season are prime example of that…
At the end of the day, the transfer window has a long way to go. I’ll be happy if we retain all of our big hitters, and bring in a couple of steady defenders to strengthen the back line.
Patience is the order of the day, in Ashley we trust….
he used to be press officer at SJP. if talksport need to fill up some airtime they call him up and ask him to chat about NE footy
He just repeats existing rumours or makes stuff up, behaves kinda like a typical ITK from twitter
Have to say I am unimpressed by the Swedish talent on show…was hoping for more
Agree with M on this Courtney guy, don’t even know who he is, but the formation he was suggesting sounded like complete shite to me!
Richie –
I know mate, just so long as we get them in (still frustrated but will shut up about that now)
Was thinking the other day, would be worth a £15m combine bid for Sakho and Gamerio from PSG now Silva and Zlatan in. I would take both of those and mega rich PSG would probably let them go without much chew.
M ….I witnessed what seemed like the current NUFC press personnel.., plus cohorts recently, and can only say that for a serious top 5 EPL side, assuming they were our “first eleven” I wasn’t particularly impressed…… I can see now why we get nowt out of the club…
how the fk that lee raydar has a job reporting on toon ill never know what a boreing clueless git he is, 10yrs old have more nonce
rayder
Regarding players making the transition from the Bundesliga to the EPL, I’m really surprised that Ba, Cisse and Sigurðsson have made such a big impact, ecstatically so as far as Ba and Cisse are concerned.
I was convinced that the EPL was stronger than the Bundesliga, but now I’m not. Of course Chelsea beat FC Bayern in the Champs League final, but that was a freak result.
I think the Bundesliga is perhaps a tad stronger than the EPL at the mo. I reckon FC Bayern and Dortmund would beat any of the EPL top five most of the time. The strength in depth lower down in the EPL, i.e. Liverpool, Sunderland etc is greater though…
Icedog@75, ditto that mate, I obviously saw a different game in Landsberg than the one he was at
Sharpy-Only problem with buying from a super rich teams is the wages of the players. Just as Erdinc wanted to “stay and fight” *cough* pick up his money*cough* and how Gameiro chose them over us, you’d have to assume they’re on more than we’re willing to pay.
Would have liked him here but can’t see it ever happening.
ICE@75 ,Got to agree ,just watched his latest video blog where he manages to tell us all what we already know
.Waste of airtime and major fail for a ITK journo.
Munich Mag-comparing leagues these days seems almost impossible.
I remember when Bilbao knocked Manure out of the EL, some Barca fan I know was going on about how the 6th team in spain knocked out the English champions. Well, by the same token Chelsea won the CL and are only the 6th best team in England, and they beat Barca and Bayern to win it, fluke or not
Newkie
the man says nothing that we havent heard last week and the only thing that he says that makes any sense s when they ask him what the weather is like up there, it’s usually shite, just like his itk comments.
Your all good
Courtney is deemed ‘Expert in all things NE’ by talksport
Ryder is sooo dull and I couldnt understand what he was saying most the time and I live in the land of the mumbled sentences
Newkie
Aye it depends how they are doing on their day, Stoke could beat Real Madrid but it wouldnt mean that if they were in la liga they’d win it every year.
Ryder is as close as we are going to get to the club and he calls most things right.
Newkie – werent they signed before PSG was bought by the Arabs and became super rich. I thought they were on sensible wages?!
Hopefully the opportunity to play more regularly would counter balance that – certainly for Sakho who could easily force his way into the national side. Was also kinda hoping they’d see what’s happened with the other French lads at Newcastle – including Debuchys desire to join us and want to join our revolution
M@71…cheers, had heard the name before but wasn’t sure who he was…a “nobody” seems to be the general consensus.
MM@77
Whilst I agree that the Bundesliga is a very strong league and often forgotten about the global league ‘best leagues’ bracket, I don’t think you could deem a league better than the PL because the top two teams are world-class and could challenge our league cus the other teams aren’t brilliant, Mochengladbach and Leverkusen aren’t that good and would probably be mid table in our league at best, werder bremen and hamburg would probably be even lower. This is the same reason why I don’t rate la liga that highly as 5/6 teams are very good (2/3 are brilliant) but the rest of the league isnt that good.
ROBERT your easy pleased,richie has called more things right in two days than he has in 12 months
Sharpy-That’s a good point mate, I know Erdinc was there a while so he probably was on sensible wages. I know Gameiro moved the same summer as the takeover so perhaps he was signed by the old ownership as well, not really sure.
Yeah, not sure if any of them are mates with any of our lot but i’m sure they could help persuade them. Plus if people are willing to take Andy Carroll back then they should be willing to accept those two who said they weren’t interested like.
I wonder why these arab guys decided to buy a team in the French league rather than one in the EPL/Bundesliga/La Liga. The only reason that I can think of is that they like Paris a lot.
Andy-Because you’d need to spend a whole lot more money if you wanted to try and top the EPL/La Liga and you’d have to compete for many of the same players. Man City have only just won the title-and it was very close at that. As for Spain, Malaga are owned by Arabs and whilst they’re having some success, they’ll never be able to replace Real or Barca imo, or it would take about 20 years to do so.
As for France over Germany? Well, Paris is nicer than most German cities I suppose
Newkie
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Would’ve thought it’d be more expensive as it’s harder to get players to play in a less renouned league. Paris is overrated, Munich is very nice and the German’s are a lot more friendly and pleasant(now they are anyway
Did Malaga even gat a CL place this year?
Newkie – I’d take Erdic or Gamerio with Sakho and think £15m would be fair money for 2 top players. Not bothered if they didn’t want to come previously as long as if/when they did come in they wanted to then. As you say, if there’s a way back for Carroll then there’s forgiveness for anyone – unless your a Cockney called Wise like
Ice @ 88 yeah Richie maybe has insider info as he is now on Jabba’s payroll, in the PR dept at the club.
DAVE dont tell me hes joining up with batty the toe rag,we best keep a eye on him mate
Ice I was surprised when he told me and I thought he was telling me porkies, but after reading him defending Jabba and his transfer activities I now believe him
sad day like as I thought Richie was a wise man, but it just shows you how cheap his loyalty was 
DAVE aye talk is cheap mate,stab vests back on i think
and ive been good to him for a couple of days, 
judas
I’m not overly concerned about the lack of transfer activity. Look at it positively, we haven’t lost any of our stars.
We definitely need to boost the squad but there is time and no need to panic.
It sounds like they are working on things and going on the past two windows we seem to get a player or two out of the blue.
Chillax
Dave
Dave….answered ya comment on the last thread, take ya wooden spoon over and have a read
RICHIE i went back and read your comment,”you” “lend” “money”nearly fell off my high chair, more chance of jabba paying 35mil for judas
Ice….I never said “lend” I said “gave”….maybe “donate” would have been a better word, do you think?
Troy im not panicking yet but the way I see it is that we were allready 2- 3 top players short last season, and now we’re 5 players lighter than what we were, and with a lot more games this season I think we could struggle if we don’t get the players in.
I honestly can’t see us getting more than 2 – 3 players in that can slot straight in or push to get in to our 1st 11
Richie it took me a while to get over you turning your back on your homeland but eventually I did but now that you are on Jabba’s payroll and doing PR for them thats a big blow mate
RICHIE dont really know the right word,ask on org sure they will know
Richie @ 103 yeah mate I know what you mean there
Dave…I agree mate, just saying we can’t blame every transfer that fails on the club, sometimes it’s the player, other club or both. To be honest if keep everyone and get a CB,FB and a striker I’ll be fairly happy, the fact we’ve needed a CB since last summer when Sol left is pretty shocking though
Dave…I was offered the job as PR asst then Jabba found out I’d turned my back on my hometown and sent me packing, sure I could hear him singing “get out of our club, get out of our club….” as I left
Richie I would be reasonably happy with that but I still think we’ll really struggle with the extra games we’ll have, because I don’t think our younguns are ready and should be loaned out for proper competitive footie.
But if worst comes to the worst they’ll just have to be used
Richie did he call you a fat Geordie Bastad
Dave…fat ex-geordie bastard
Dave I agree we should get more but just can’t see more than another 3 max along with the 2 young uns that have come in unfortunately.
Anyone watchin GB v Brasil?
Richie
whey, if Giggs had been 30 years younger he would have been able to react quicker to that
@Big Dave
I believe 3 quality signings will do as long as we don’t lose any stars.
Best & Guthrie didnt play much of a part last season.
You have to admire the women footballers, it must be quite difficult to play when you don’t know the offside rule
Troy yeah I agree that Best, Guthrie and Lovens didn’t play much last season but then we wern’t in europe
but Best still started 16 games and Guthrie 13 so they still played a part 
Of course theoretically, we could actually end up playing less games than last year
@BD
I underestimated how many games Best started. 16!?
Troy don’t worry i’ll keep ye right Lad
I didn’t think he started that many but I was more surprised that Danny started 13
Agree Dave, the club have to make sure we have a capable squad to cope regardless, but Newcastle could be knocked out in the qualifier and knocked out both cups in the first game and play less games than last season……hopefully an “unlikely” scenario but plausible…..not that I’m a pessimist or owt like
I will gan off it like if we don’t make the signings we need but as I’ve said, surely they have it in hand.
You’d like to think so Troy but the CB should have been sorted in previous windows so time will tell I guess
Richie you are right there i’ll grant you that
if we have a strong enough squad.
but of course theoretically we could get to the later stages of Europe and both cups
But sure if your happy enough getting knocked out of them all to save your boss Jabba from spending some of his money
Dave..you mustn’t have read the bit where I said “the club have to make sure we have a capable squad to cope” or maybe it was a little too cryptic for you
@richie
I take that point but we did strengthen in other areas which resulted in a crackin squad.
To be fair to Pardew, he has shown his anger and dismay towards the board when he has been let down.
He seems philosophical at the moment so hopefully things are in motion behind the scene.
Dave…..having been a Toon supporter for quite a few years I reckon my scenario is the more likely of the two
When is the next Toon friendly?
Troy very true, it’s a case of wait and see I suppose…as always I’ll wait in hope rather than expectation
Troy…. tomorrow night, 1830 ko on ESPN
You don’t get a bigger sceptic than me about this regime however the performance this season has deservedly warranted them time. Let’s hope!
Is it still one hour time difference?
, the players must have been knackered, they wouldn’t have had time to adjust to the time difference so would have been in sleep mode 
Had talksport on a couple of days ago late at night (2am) and they said that over in the US Villa were playing Atlanta(I think) and the game was kicking off in half an hour
Richie is that local time
TBH I can’t see the club fuking up this chance of Europe etc but I am just frustrated that we don’t have a couple of top players in already especially a CB as even Richie says this isn’t the 1st window we have needed one
Really impressed with Jacks goalkeeping in the second half tonight ,wonder if we could get clark to flog himto us
Was nice to see a player from Bristol making a mark . 
Cheers Richie
Dave…..no 1930 local time
“even Richie says” 
Kim…aye, the boy one good
Richie cheers and yeah the “even Richie says” was a bit below the belt, but I was and am still a bit in a rage that you turned your back on us again and have now decided to be a PR guru for Jabba
lost count of the times pardew has said we need a strong c/b,well the fans agree,maybe jabba and owlheed dont i guess
DAVE the worm has turned mate
Ice
I know mate I just feel disappointed because I thought he was one of us 
reet away to get some scran
me too laters mate,hope richie doesnt sleep
What’s up the neet ?….
Don’t know what you lads think, but I’d be a lot happier if Saylor was geting some games under his belt. Hope he starts a game soon…
Hoilett to QPR ? Something gone seriously wrong somewhere. I mean QPR have some big money behind them, and obviously the bloke has gone for the wedge, but as a sporting perspective ….really…..
Mark Hughes has done a great job getting him on the hook, an old Blackburn connection for sure…
free sky sports this weekend, can’t be bad
We should see a signing today, Saturdays are the day we do deals
usually friday’s, it’s been and gone
Still 3 hours of Friday left in Honolulu
I’m taking the piss Jay Jay
we don’t have a signing day at the moment 
Morning Aussie . Good to se you arent giving a running commentary of your bedroom antics with Begas this morning.
I normally sign on a Thursday at the local post office.
Morning Troy
I sense you were upset by my comments. Soz Oz. let’s move on. Today is a new day.
The start of our new relationship.
Question; if we don’t sign anyone significant before the close of the window but also don’t lose anyone significant will you be happy?
Uh oh. I think I’ve huffed Aussie.
That’s now;
Trumpet
Chicken
Thud
Begas
&
Aussie.
Troy@155, you’re good at this mate, huffing people…
Be careful or we’ll set worky on you, he had Batty quaking in his doc martens last week…
No matter what we think as fans about this transfer saga, I have 100% trust that Pardew will get the required players over the line, at the very least the one’s he knows he can work with and use for the first part of the season anyway.
What happens in January is another story in itself, yet I believe we won;t be screwed with transfer fees and rarely screwed with a duff player no matter what, as we are very picky in what we go for and we seem to fully vet any player that is deemed to be a major part of this squad.
I think we are in such good hands that it’s hard for some fans to accept because it’s something that most of us haven’t exactly been used to, where mainly we have been used to getting stitched up as far as comings and goings are concerned.
It’s good to know that we have an Owner and sidekick with massive bollocks who aren’t afraid to piss people off to get what they want.
We also appear to have a manager that not only commands respect but can also whip a team/squad into shape and is nobody’s fool, as well as not playing the favourite game with certain players and all appear to be equal as long as they show their worth in training and where it matters…on the pitch.
@wolfie
You really do have rose tinted specs don’t you.
Ok. He’s done some very good things but also done some horrific things.
He seems to be heading in the right direction but whens the next disaster going to strike. ?
You do yourself no favours by being 100% committed. I know you are but it’s wrong IMO .
Have we sold the ground naming rights yet by the way? I know they were wanting £10m per annum but they’ve never announced anything. Crafty sods will have it sorted like they have our transfers sorted. Crafty kippers aren’t they.
@wolfie
You say;
It’s good to know that we have an Owner and sidekick with massive bollocks who aren’t afraid to piss people off to get what they want.
It sounds like you were there when Big Bollocks Derek streaked over the pitch during the relegation season. Nice gesture.
TROY, it’s all irrespective to us as fans whether he’s sold the naming rights or not as either way, he’s still sanctioning deals on players identified and will still only play ball for the right price for any player regardless of selling naming rights or not.
It’s got nothing to do with rose tinted specs mate, it’s got a lot to do with seeing it all for what it is and I can’t fault it to be honest.
I’m not gonna spend any of my time dwelling on any mistakes he made because he came in wet behind the ears and basically learned a few Mammoth lessons in the art of running a football club.
I’m 100% committed because I love the club and I find no reason at all to have a dig at it and will only do so when I can see something amiss, which I genuinely can’t.
I’ve stuck by my guns with Ashley because I decided to look at what his plan was after seeing what he wrote and I went along with that trust, which over just a few short seasons has came to fruition.
I’m not interested in mistakes made and little fibs here and there because everyone does it, it just so happens that many will deny it when they have something tasty to chew on and prefer to keep on chewing until everything is ground down to nothing but Ashley has proved that even the staunchest haters are powerless against him, yet he’s proving just what a strong person he is by not bowing to anyone and does what he’s good at, which is being successful based on astute and sometimes impossible gambles.
Newcastle United was a major gamble and look at us now!
Ashley has done much more for this club than what most people will accept because some only see transfers as their main focus and forget the stuff that goes on in the background, which is absolutely imperative to the running of a successful club and I don’t just mean trophy wise either.
When you can have a club like Newcastle, as big as it is and have it running as smoothly as it is right now, considering what it was like just a few short years ago…. it’s a miracle and Ashley deserves as many accolades for that as the shit he took for making some mistakes, which were turned into a frenzy of Neanderthal hatred, in my opinion.
As I say, rose tinted and unbalanced viewpoint.
TROY@159.
Relegation was the making of this club, once again and we actually needed that to give us the chance to see who nailed their colours to the mast and to also get rid of those that we all knew were here for a pay day and it worked a treat and gave us this platform we are on now.
Make no mistake, we really needed that relegation because it actually made Colo and many other players stronger and able to deal with anything because they had to deal with a lot of serious negativity and back biting throughout that relegation season and is the reason why we are a close knit and strong unit today.
All good Troy, took the kids out for a ride on their bikes, so your wind ups are not that good mate
And your question – yes I would be happy but that’s not to say I wouldn’t be concerned about our defensive shortages..
Wolfie, I’m with you 100% on the transfer policy, trying to get the right players in at a reasonable price, without bankrupting the club. At the end of the day, we picked up some real value for money in Cabaye and Tiote. There should be no reason why we cannot pick up more players of that ilk, of course it won’t be easy but it is possible. It doesn’t have to be the only policy where transfers are involved, and at the end of the day Ashley will pay the “big money” if the right player comes along and the constellation of the stars match… i.e. Cisse…
Now the ground naming rights, and the deceit attached to this, that’s another issue, and is clear for all to see…
Troy why are you concerned about the naming rights?? How does this impact your day to day life other than to have a bitch…
TROY@161.
My viewpoint is bang on as far as I’m concerned as I haven’t seen anything to the contrary, unless I decided to concentrate all my efforts on the past, which is pointless as it is not productive to me in mind to focus on negatives.
If you have a negative view of the past and want to run with that, that’s entirely up to you as I have no control over that but it’s you that has to go along with that train of thought every day, when in reality, your train of thought should be on how unbelievably well we have done, amid what HAS gone on in the past.
You telling me I have an unbalanced opinion holds no water at all as my opinions over the past seasons on the running of this club has been essentially bang on the nail.
If you want to say anything against what I believe, you can use the fact that my optimism knows no bounds as far as transfers and money come in, as I like to over elaborate on transfer amounts spent but that’s just for an added feel good factor and a little bet with myself.
I’m more than happy to wear rose tinted specs if this is what we get for wearing them.
Aye Munich, we have done exceptionally well in the transfer market.
As for the naming rights:
If you look at it from a neutral point of view (I know it’s hard but try), you would view it from another angle.
For instance, imagine what most fans of other clubs are seeing when they see us as a club…
I’m willing to bet that they only wish it was them and they would view the naming rights as so far down the pecking order as not to even be an issue.
My view on the naming rights is basically nothing as I do not see how it affects anything to do with the running of this club and in-fact, it probably has a more positive effect on Ashley’s other business (sports direct), which as well all know runs hand in hand with his other love, which is Newcastle United.
Make no mistake here! Ashley wants this club competing against the best, as one of the best, not simply just trying to compete as a simple financially well run unit.
You don’t expend all your energies getting the right people in and the right set up throughout that is geared for a stronger push season after season if you are happy just to be an also ran.
The bigger picture needs to be looked at as regards naming rights because it’s a no lose situation as far as we as fans are concerned and Ashley certainly can’t lose as his brand is plastered all over the stadium, so ultimately everyone’s a winner.
The issue with some fans, isn’t really about the naming rights if they are honest, it’s simply that they can’t seem to rid themselves of the dislike for Ashley and cannot bear to see his sports direct signs all over the ground, plus the fact the naming of the ground is sports direct and that’s basically the crux of the matter.
Many will argue that it’s not so but I call bullshit because I know that St. James’ park holds dear to many, which is fair enough but time moves on and waits for no man and football was sold to the devil long before Ashley came aboard.
Those that cried a river at the re-naming and dispensing with St. James’ park seem to accept that anything other than sports direct would be fine as long as it’s paid for, yet are not willing to accept a sign that the actually owner of the club has the rights over.
To me , that’s so none-sensical, I can’t even begin to get my head round it.
Richie I take it you have been sacked and replaced in the PR dept by wolfie
.
Wolfie you say you are basically 100% behind them and what they’re doing, so do you not mind the fact that made you look like a mug when they didn’t spend the £25mil that you were 100% sure they would do last window ?
@Wolfie
You’ll be telling me relegation was planned next.
That relegation could have potentially crippled the club forever.
@Aussie
The naming rights to me are as important as the black n white stripes. I’m a Geordie, live on Tyneside and the history and prestige is more important than cash which is never going to materialise anyway.
Wolfie I see you still think you know how fans feel over the naming rights
BIG DAVE, I didn’t know what they would spend…how in the hell can I know what the club will spend?
I took a guess on what they would spend and it never happened.
You have took guesses on the club spending nothing and you were wrong, so what’s the difference?
I like to stay positive, which is also why I predict wins all the time no matter who we play.
I never ever predict a loss for Newcastle, NEVER but we all know I’m gonna be wrong many times aren’t I, yet my positive outlook before any game will remain positive until the game is over.
It’s pointless living on this 25 million Dave because It won’t be the first time I’m wrong and won;t be the last, yet I’d rather think positive than sit there and tell everyone that we won;t spend a penny and he will leave and so and so will leave, blah blah like some fans do. (I’m not saying you by the way)
That’s just the way I am and I do it because I love this club.
What I see happening at this club NOW, is all positive and has been since relegation although certain things can be disputed in terms of name changes and what not, I see it as dragging this cub into the 21st century of advertising, which is the way forward for just about anything business wise on the planet.
TROY@169.
Relegation wasn’t planned but it happened and was the fingers in the fire moment that taught Ashley and co a massive lesson and also dragged this club screaming back into reality.
DAVE@170.
I know what fans think because I see it and also see it on forums as well and what I’ve said is basically right with a good many fans over the naming rights.
Some took a wait and see approach and some were unhappy, which is fair enough, yet a good amount went into a frenzy which benefits nobody, especially their own blood pressure.
@ Wolfie
You aren’t a Geordie are you?
Wolfie once again your bullshitting because I never said they would spend nothing, but I did say they wouldn’t spend the ridiculous sum of £25mil that you were sure of. So the difference is that you were well out but you still find it easier to try to bullshit by saying I got it wrong too rather than admit your trust in Jabba and co was misplaced.
On the naming rights I can assure you like Troy says to me the name was as important as the black and white stripes so don’t try to say Its not because its just some stick to beat Jabba with because that is lies and make you look like an arrogant know it all.
Troy good on you for being a Geordie.. o.k I totally get the name change of the stadium, pain, I really do. but you can’t have your cake and eat with Ashley’s money.. I certainly don’t hear you on your soapbox calling for NUFC to pay back Ashley because we shouldn’t be taking advantage of his interest free loan! No you will only whinge about about the negative because that is easier for you..
If you’re not a Geordie you’re not allowed on here…
Shows us yer tatoos….
Aussie why should we be paying back an interest free loan when it was his fault for not doing DD before jumping in to buy the club.
Then getting the club relegated because of his mismanagement that why Jabba had to lend himsel money, you can’t blame that on the fans aswell ?
@aussie
If you really take note of my posts you will know that I have a balanced viewpoint.
I praise as much as I criticise.
You choose, like Wolfie, to highlight me as someone who only criticises. The same flak is thrown at Dave.
I know how this happens as I’ve met many individuals like you.
You don’t do it on purpose or maliciously but are simply blinkered. You never look at the big picture but only focus on a small issue in a big debate.
Don’t worry, I understand. You can’t help it.
TROY@173.
I’m from Hartlepool but what has being a Geordie got to do with being a lifelong fan of Newcastle?
BIGDAVE@174′
You need to calm down and stop twisting things mate.
Dave, Troy raised a point regarding the clubs income.. I totally agree with all your points mate.. However Ashley has bankrolled the club to no end, so to bitch about the fact that we haven’t signed a sponser yet it a bit fecking rich.. What would happen if he charged interest on the loan, thn he would be lining his pockets with the clubs cash.. It isn’t a one way argument mate..
@MM
No one is suggesting that if you are not a Geordie you aren’t allowed on here.
My point is clear but you choose to do a Wolfie and Aussie. Blinkered .
My point is that to people who actually live on Tyneside, not to all but most, SJP is as important as the black n white stripes. That doesn’t seem to extend to non Geordies.
St James park is a place in the city. The city council refuse to change signs. You clearly don’t get it.
Newcastle United
Black n white
SJP
all go hand in hand.
Wolfie you need to stop thinking you know how I and many others feel, so tell me then what have I twisted ??
Troy,
balanced viewpoint 
woohoo hoo , now that is funny,
If Ashley had charged interest on his loans, it would make any potential income from advertising look pointless anyway.
The fact that Ashley isn’t taking interest, he should be praised for because that should prove to anyone who cares to take notice that he’s not in it to rape the club, he’s in it to make the club financially watertight in it’s own right that can pay it’s own way and him back so that nobody is in anybody’s pocket.
Wolfie
You say
I’m from Hartlepool but what has being a Geordie got to do with being a lifelong fan of Newcastle?
I really think you are struggling with understanding simple English.
At what point did I question that?
Read my posts again.
BIG DAVE, you twisted it because I specifically said I wasn’t meaning you, look in the brackets.
I also don’t think I know how every fan thinks, I simply see how they react when talking to them outside and on forums, so I’m first hand with how a good many did react, yet it’s died down a lot now because many have probably come to realise that they were a bit too hasty in their hatred frenzy.
@BD
Is it me or do you get frustrated as well with Wolfie at his lack of ability to understand simple points?
I am being serious btw .
Troy, obviously your point wasn’t clear, otherwise I wouldn’t have misinterpreted it.
“@ Wolfie
You aren’t a Geordie are you?”
Maybe you should be more succinct with your posts.
I have enough trouble reading wor lasses mind without having to start reading your mind too….
Troy…try green kryptonite, it’s the only thing that works against rose-tinted specs…
Aussie and Wolfie as I said why should we the fans be paying his interest on a loan that was only needed because he never done DD and because he got us relegated ? Why should we pay for his mistakes.
Apart from that he will get the loan back if or when he sells the club so make no mistake he wont lose out.
MM, Troy left the kryptonite on his reality train.. the bloody thing drove off with no passengers so no fecker knows where it is
Big D….you can pin a lot of shoyt on Ashley but him getting us relegated is stretching it a bit big man…
TROY@186.
I know what you are questioning mate, otherwise you would not have asked if I was a Geordie.
Let’s clarify something.
Newcastle United is in the city of Newcastle. You are from Newcastle and I am from Hartlepool.
I have supported this club all of my life and class this club as MY club as all Genuine Newcastle fans do.
I have just as much thought for the name St.James’ park than any Newcastle fan and I will always know it as that.
The fact is, time has moved on and so has life for all fans and will continue to do so.
Now you can cry as a Geordie over the change and mention Heritage and sentimental what nots as far as I’m concerned but you are simply doing what others are doing who don;t live in the city, meaning we all dislike the change and would change it back in a heart beat but you have no more right to being at the club or affiliation than I have or any other person that SUPPORTS Newcastle.
It’s as simple as that.
Aussie…it’s nowhere near Fenwick’s window taht’s for sure……but since you aren’t a Geordie you won’t understand the significance of my smart arse joke…
@MM
Who else got us relegated if it wasn’t Ashley????
He sold given, Zog and Milner and failed to buy in the window despite everyone pointing out that it was required!
He sacked and appointed a multitude of managers, some of which were ludicrous.
Dave, so the huge debt was not there before he purchased the club ? or did it suddenly appear as soon as he did the deal?..
Like it or not mate, the club would near on be fecked if he hadn’t come on board..
BIGDAVE@191.
We, the fans don;t pay any interest on Ashley’s loans because he doesn’t charge it.
If anything, Ashley is doing the fans the biggest favour by freezing the season ticket prices and allowing installments.
One day, you will see Ashley as the saviour of this club in terms of financial ability to run off it’s own steam, which I doubt any other owner could achieve in the time it’s took Ashley.
TROY@196.
The players got us relegated not Ashley.
Wolfie, the whole issue of the name change is a personal issue anyway. Some people can hack it, the majority can’t. It sticks in Troy’s throat and understandably so. But you have been cunningly waylayed from your original point which was the toon’s transfer policy, and it’s apparent success (at least last season it was…
)
btw I have always had ultimate respect for toon fans who live elsewhere and plow a lone furrow. There are loads of few toon fans in Hartlepool, but well done to you for keeping the faith… Aussie is fighting a lost course down under though but…he can be excused for seeing through the reality train issue…
What??? I am not a Geordie!! I’m calling my parents, no one mentioned that before now… this is a shock
AUSSIE@197.
Spot on, it would have been a Rangers most likely.
Troy, these issues may have contributed to unstability at the club, but are not the main reason why the club got relegated.
The players got the club relegated…supported by Ashley’s incompetence.
Wolfie if you look at your comment just up from that one you stated that I said we wouldn’t spend anything so your wrong
cant tell you what comment No because im on my phone.
MM if you think that us and the players having 5-6 managers in a yr is nowt to do with relegation then thats your call,
Some players have said that the turmoil around a club effects them so trying to get used to 5 different managers wanting different things from the players would have a big effect on them.
Big D…we’re not paying for Ashley’s debt and mistakes directly. You know as well as anyone that FFS and all the geordies favourite sons who emigrated to Gibraltar had there finger in the pie before Cashley arrived…
@mm
Yes Munich. I forgot Ashley wasnt playing on the pitch.
Howay fella. You’re better than that.
MUNICHMAG @200, Aye mate, I always fight my corner but I do see other people’s views and take on certain issues.
I understand that it gripes at fans who live in the city when certain things happen and they take things very personally.
I have no problem with fans griping over issues, it’s just that many times, I do not share a frenzy on the owners and what they are claimed to be doing to the club, which naturally will get people’s backs up, yet it’s my view and I won’t change something I believe is right, in my opinion.
All in all, it makes a good debate as long as all of us can tough it out.
Our relegation was coming no matter what.. it was almost in the stars.
Big D, did we have 5-6 managers in one year ?
FFS hoyed a few managers around too from what I recall. In fact I would go as far as to say that FFS had contributed greatly to the bad karma surrounding the club in his final years. Ashley and his incompetency gave the club the final push. But ffs the poor lads are paid 30K a week to get there shit together, and we had a bunch of FFS inspired mercanaries bleeding the club dry when he managed to fob the club off to Cashley….
@wolfie
Can I ask you whether you would accept the black n white stripes to be replaced by an orange top if it meant getting £10m per season from orange communications?
I bet you choose not to answer.
Our relegation was an absolute Godsend and the best thing that could have happened to us.
Sometimes fate plays a dedicated hand and we got it after what seemed like a death Knell.
Had we stayed up that season, I think we would have been relegated the next season but without Ashley and possibly a consortium of bastards on board who would have ripped the club to shreds more than likely.
There has never been a better time to be a fan since Keegan’s tenure (first time) for excitement and anticipation, in my opinion.
Troy he tends to answer you with a question and fails to give you the answer to the question you asked in the 1st place. Or sometimes he’ll try to tell you that you twisted things when in fact you didn’t.
Aussie do you know how much debt we had when Jabba bought the club and the debt that came with it ???
Dave…told you mate, Big Mike sacked me before I even had the chance to sort my office out
You can throw as much logic into the subject of the naming rights as you like, but for many,like me it’s an emotional thing so logic isn’t the main factor. I don’t agree with it and never will and I couldn’t give a flying feck how much sense it makes “logically”
I’m waiting Wolfie
Can I ask you whether you would accept the black n white stripes to be replaced by an orange top if it meant getting £10m per season from orange communications?
Is this question in the too hard box?
Troy, don’t misunderstand me mate, I’m not in the Ashley camp like Batty, but although he has flocked up big time in the past, we cannot blame him for everything. When it comes down to our transfer policy he is trying to turn things round, in a somewhat frugal and unorthodox way. Since the transfer window still has a long way to run, I will sit on the fence and wait to see what happens before getting mucked into him…
Some blokes elsewhere are crying in there beer cos we haven’t just stepped in and paid 10 million for this bloke and that bloke, Hoilett who is obviously too expensive, De Jong who didn’t want to come to the club anyway, and Debuchy who is suddenly a 10 million quid full back…
The jury is out on the transfer targets, and is probably being even more so negatively clouded by the absolute success which we had last seasonin the tranny market. More of that please would be just the job. Think about it…we brought in 5-6 players who pretty much walked into the first team, AND managed to finish in the top 5. If that isn’t grounds for optimism then I don’t know what is. That the rose tinted brigade outbox the reality train crew on this score is a given in my opinion….
TROY@210.
The black and white stripes and a big part of this clubs identity…I know that and so do you and every other fan.
No I wouldn’t swap it for anything if I had my way, not for any amount of money but I do not own the club and would still be a fan if they played in pink stripes as long as they were called Newcastle United but I wouldn’t be happy and would never agree, yet I’d accept it because I have no choice, other than to change allegiance to another team, which will never happen unless the club ceased to exist and the name Newcastle United being changed would be the only thing that would make me go neutral as far as football was concerned.
In-fact, if this club ceased to exist or changed it’s name, I would finish with football altogether.
How’s that?
bigdave@212.
Stop trying to read my mind as you fail.
@MM
as I’ve pointed out I’m praise as much as I criticise.
It’s Wolfie and Aussie who only take note of the criticism I post.
This debate started today as I told Wolfie he was blinkered and only saw the positives in Ashley which to me is unbalanced.
Ashley has done a fantastic job in the transfer market over the past 2 seasons and got the club on a good financial footing.
My hymn book changes as the club changes.
Wolfie stays on the same page no matter what is happening in the church.
Troy@217…. I wonder what the Cardiff fans make of the consortium that bought them changing the clubs colours ?!!
If we did away with the stripes I would go mental…
Troy….you know though mate that wor Wolfie is the eternal optimist, and good on him for that… Doesn’t mean that everything in the Ashley garden is hunky dory though…
Reet, am off ower the road to the local sports club. Bayern Munich, Leverkusen etc sprogs teams are playing and I’m putting me Graham Carr mask on and am gonna tout some talent for the toon academy.
I’ll write about it tomorra in the Sunday Sun…
Back in a mo chaps …
TROY@218:
I don’t do slagging the club off mate and I prefer to take the positives out of the negatives and leave the negatives on the shelf where they belong.
It’s bad for your health to focus on the bad just as it’s bad for your digestion to wait for your well earned holiday in the sun, only to worry yourself to death over the thought of getting on your flight to the sun drenched paradise.
You go to watch Newcastle because you love the club, the same as any genuine fan.
You get more excited when Newcastle play in big tournaments against the best because the excitement of a win is heaven.
You don;t go to those matches EXPECTING a loss, you go there HOPING for a win and a FEEL GOOD FACTOR.
I chose to be positive and take any positive from any game and any thing about the club but it does not mean I don;t see many down sides…I just choose to leave them floating around the memory bin in my mind.
@wolfie
How’s that? A very very poor answer.
I accept the name change. I don’t like it so I criticise. I won’t change clubs over it.
You say it’s progress.
Just the same as you wouldn’t like the strip change. It’s as traditional as SJP.
You say you wouldn’t support the club if they changed their name.
How’s about Newcastle Adidas allstars?
It’s only a name change Wolfie ?
Same as the stadium.
It would bring masses of revenue. Surely it’s progress?
I thought you were all for progress?
In future when it comes to transfer speculation I’m gonna listen to Chucky and Batty’s mate on .org, cos they actually know what Ashley is thinking, they know first hand what was said, bid, and negotiated. They are the dogs bollocks…
TROY@223.
If it was Newcastle all stars, then it’s still Newcastle as a football club, so I’d go along with that.
If they changed it to something like Virgin Vikings or NU sport, I would lose my affiliation with the club as to me it’s been dissected to the point of oblivion and became something I cannot identify with.
I’m all for the progress of Newcastle mate and as long as the club holds it’s identity in some form, I’m in it for the rest of my life.
Is this clearer.
@MM
ha . The blogs bollocks.
@Wolfie
Are you positive about every subject or just the toon?
Just the Toon TROY.
Wolfie it sounds to me like you’ll just take whatever scraps Jabba would throw down to you, and you would still try to see the positves.
Aussie how much debt did we have then ?
Good! I was going to say it must be nauseating being around someone positive about everything.
You get nothing changed that way.
Were you equally positive under ffs reign not having the benefit of hindsight?
@wolfie
Were you equally positive under ffs reign not having the benefit of hindsight?
BIGDAVE@228.
If I thought for one minute that Ashley’s intentions were to wreck this club, I’d be right behind those wanting his nuts on a skewer.
Yes I take positives from a lot regarding Newcastle but like I said, i also see the potential bad point…I just choose to leave that to those that would rather focus on them and I’ll put a positive spin on that, which creates a double interest and makes a debate.
I’m not here to tell you or anyone that you are all wrong and I’m right; I just look at things from a wider perspective from my own point of view.
Others see things differently and that’s what makes the world what it is…it’s differing opinions.
I do not get any enjoyment out of throwing negative thoughts around about the club and choose to concentrate on the good and it’s as simple as that really.
So in simple terms Dave.
Wolfie agrees with us but doesn’t like to advertise it.
We got there in the end.
@wolfie
That is known as the pincer movement.
Closing in on you from both flanks!
Anyway, what about fat Freddie’s reign? Were you always positive during that spell?
TROY@229.
I’m always positive that something good will come out with the club, even with Shepherd because I know he had the interests of the fans at heart as he is a fan himself, yet that was his problem…he thought like a fan and wanted what the fans wanted which is a recipe for disaster in terms of fans wanting expensive trophy toys and scintillating attacking football, which seemed fine because we all believed the club was a bottomless pit of money.
I was like anyone else…I went with the flow, under all regimes because I never questioned the ability of the club to magically produce OWEN type cash out of the hat, so I joyfully danced about on the signings until the wake up call under Ashley that made me and us all, realise why the earlier regimes could produce the readies….simply because the readies were invisible on the never never.
We obviously know different now, yet at the time, very few questioned the size of the money tree Shepherd was picking his money from.
We all know that running a club of this size isn’t as simple as 1.2.3 and money actually doesn’t grow on trees.
@wolfie
So it’s fair to say you cheer whoever is at the helm?
So I’m sure if the next knight in shining armour comes along such as a sheikh and his bottomless pit of money to challenge man city you will do the same as long as he had the club at heart?
TROY@245.
I will support anyone who is at the helm who’s interests are to the benefit of the club and the fans whoever they may be.
I do not control who takes over the club and I do not control what manager or players we bring in.
What I do know, is, I control my own mind on how I choose to support whoever does come into the club and as long as I see good coming from it and within it, I will be satisfied.
BD, my mistake, we had no debt from the brilliant finacial stewardship of Freddie. There in fact was no debt and ashley has made the whole thing up just to fool the fans of the club he owns purely because he hates them so much. This is his secret plan all along.
I think there is no point debating this with you as your hatred for Ashley makes it a pointless excerise…
I meant @235, hahahahaha.
AUSSIE MAGPIE FAN@237.
I think you will find that those fans that stick to the hate, don’t actually hate Ashley, it’s just that they are pissed off that he’s proved them wrong but no way in hell will they admit that, so they will dine out on the past as their ammunition, which is as sad as can be to be honest.
@aussie
In Daves absence. He never said that.
You’ve twisted things again but I know you can’t help it.
Wolfie, I agree to a point, ashley has earned some of the venom directed at him early on. But as you say, Ashley has become a figure head of hate. Everything is his fault except for the good things..
Aussie I didn’t say there was no debt I asked you what I thought was a simple question of how much debt was there when Jabba bought the club but if you can’t or don’t want to answer thats fine.
But you must know there was debt as you were saying that it was down to FFS that the club and Jabba was in so much debt.
AUSSIE MAGPIE FAN
Aye, I understand the hatred for him at the start and he basically made a rod for his own back…I don’t think he would even deny that.
For me,he has righted all the wrongs and then some, which has naturally got many many fans actually singing the same tune now.
Troy, thanks for speaking for Dave, I’m sure he will appreciate you speaking for him..
Dave, how much is the loan? 100+ million, plus there was a 20+ million debt we owed from memory… Please tell me where else would this debt have come from? Or would Ashley just give an interest free loan for the fun of it ??
How could it have come from anyone other than Freddie. You said it your self, Ashley didn’t do due dilligence and got stung big time. So are you now saying he didn’t get ripped by Freddie..
Troy @ 240 cheers for pointing that out to Aussie
am I wrong in thinking that SJH was part of the club so where fore it wasn’t just FFS 
Aussie I simply asked how much debt the club had when Jabba bought the club
I think you will find that when Jabba bought the club the debts were part of the club so Jabba infact took them on to get the club, so they then become Jabba’s debt
As for it being FFS that is continually labelled as the man that got the club in debt
So I think you will find that the £110mil debt that the club was in £60 0f it was for the ground, and if im not mistaken we have roughly £50mil more debt now than what we had so we should all praise Jabba for that masterstroke
@wolfie
You’ve struggled today fella.
WOLFIE @ 187
July 21, 2012 at 11:09 (Edit)
BIG DAVE, you twisted it because I specifically said I wasn’t meaning you, look in the brackets.
WOLFIE @ 171
July 21, 2012 at 10:27 (Edit)
BIG DAVE, I didn’t know what they would spend…how in the hell can I know what the club will spend?
I took a guess on what they would spend and it never happened.
You have took guesses on the club spending nothing and you were wrong, so what’s the difference?
I think its plain to see that you stated @ 171 that I said we would spend nothing so once again you have got it wrong then tried to say that I was twisting what you said ???
Struggled with what Troy.
I don;t see anything being a struggle me old mucker.
Wolfie no problem apology accepted for accusing me in the wrong
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