Could Clark return one day?
When I started this series Alan Pardew had served a relatively successful if unremarkable six months as Newcastle supremo, managing to cope without our star striker and leading us to a comfortable mid table finish. Speculating on future managers seemed unreasonable then, but a year on after Pardiola rightly earned Manager of the Season it seems outright madness. Still, this is Newcastle United we’re talking about!
In all seriousness you have to admit that if Pardew continues to be this successful every season there’s a chance we could lose him for a very different reason. Fortunately for Alan he was spared the noose by Roy Hodgson this season, but after England’s next upcoming collapse in 2014 he may not be so lucky… Whenever and however it happens, Pards won’t be around forever (although let’s hope he stays longer than say, his last eight predecessors or so) and we’ll be looking for a new manager, so could any of our ex players fit the bill?
If you’ve looked at the title you’ve probably managed to piece together than this article is about our former midfielder and local lad Lee Clark. Clarkie endeared himself to NUFC fans with some eight years of service over two stints making over 200 appearances. After a shock move to Sunderland, Clarkie managed to make himself even more of a legend after his decision to wear a very fashionable item of clothing in a certain F.A Cup Final…
After retiring at the end of the 2005-2006 season in which he had coached part time, Clark was appointed first team coach and reserve team manager by then manager Glenn Roeder. Clark would later serve under Roeder as assistant manager at Norwich City after the latter resigned from Newcastle in May 2007, linking up with him in November of the same year.
On 12 December 2008 Clark was appointed as manager of Huddersfield Town and remained until his sacking back in February this year. Clark’s removal was perhaps the most “shocking” managerial dismissal of the 2011-2012 season in the entirety of the football league, at least to the neutral eye. As was stressed regularly by the press, Clark led Huddersfield to a 43 match unbeaten run, both a club and football league record. Clark had also led Town to the playoffs twice, including 3-0 defeat to Peterborough in the 2010-2011 playoff final.
Huddersfield were still 4th when Clark was sacked, with three defeats in the last 54 games. I think everyone was taken by surprise after Clark got the sack, particularly us Toon fans who had followed the career of this young and obviously talented manager.
Every man and his dog seemed to have something to say about the Clark sacking, with a fair amount of scorn directed at the Town chairman Dean Hoyle, not least because he sacked Clark via a two-minute phone call, a move that would make even Mike Ashley blush!
On the face of it Clark led Huddersfield to relative success and year on year improvement, despite not achieving the ultimate goal of promotion to the Championship. Clark also seems to have an eye for talent-being responsible for bringing in the talented Jordan Rhodes as well as midfielder Anthony Pilkington, now plying his trade at Norwich.
This kind of success led many to believe that Clark was doing a very good job at Huddersfield, hence the inevitable backlash after his sacking. Indeed our very own Lee Ryder wrote a fairly condescending and to be honest quite patronising article about how Huddersfield would miss out after getting rid of Clarkie.
Now whilst I probably would agree with his conclusions, the fact is that disregarding Huddersfield fans themselves and perhaps a few league one enthusiasts or veterans, of which I claim to be neither, not many people really knew what they were talking about. Clark did meet with plenty of success on both the transfer market and the playing field, but as Huddersfield fans themselves noted, Clark was still by and large backed to the hilt by his employer.
Indeed, during his three and a half year reign he signed some 44 players, and many of those on the upper echelons of a very competitive wage budget. Therefore, it could be fair to say Clark was perhaps not as successful as many assumed he was, yet would argue his sacking was still an unfair reward.
I’m only really pointing out the negatives because I want to avoid appearing to show blind loyalty to one of our own, but I think it’s fair to say that Lee Clark has a very bright future ahead of him. At just 39 years of age, Clark has displayed a willingness to get his hands dirty in the lower leagues and prove his managerial credentials as it were.
Despite his misfortune at being sacked by Huddersfield, Clark now has an opportunity to succeed where Chris Hughton failed and lead Birmingham City to promotion in what is a highly competitive Championship league.
Clark has plenty of time to learn from his mistakes and improve his managerial resume and for us at Newcastle it should already be know that a managerial with a less than impressive reputation should not be dismissed so easily, with Keegan, Roeder, Hughton and Pardew all proving to be successes on Tyneside despite lacking a “proven track record” or any managerial success prior to their appointments.
It’s easy to see why Lee Clark is a long term favourite to eventually rule the roost on Tyneside. A local lad, who was heavily influenced by the attacking football of Kevin Keegan and loves all things Newcastle, is surely a perfect candidate on paper. I for one am looking forward to following his career at Birmingham and wish him all the best for the future.
Hopefully he can learn his trade well enough to lead his hometown club to European and domestic glory at some point in the future, with any luck following in the footsteps of a certain Mr Pardew…
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I think he will manage us some day
Defo a future Toon manager for sure ,but we can wait while Pards bulids a sh*t hot team.
Agree a future Toon boss, look at the manager he’s played under
KK.SBR.Gullet,, forget that one,@peter Reid.Jean Tiganer ECT
YES YES YES,id luv it.
HITMAN ill keep it short
i agree,but what pardew to see his contract through 
are defo dog pards is deeing a gret job.
HITMAN aye in spite of a couple of tight arses
Do sky sports get lazier by the week,
Ba has a release clause + nufc want Carroll = Ba and money for Carroll is “distinct possibility” aye righto
They are still pushing the galatasaray shite
Fuck off trying to unsettle my club you annoying cunts, 8 days and counting…
Newkie good read mate and yes hopefully he will be a future manager, but as has been said I hope to see Pards seeing out his contract.
Tis good to see how over time fans have changed their opinion on Pards as he was given a lot of stick by the fans without being given a proper chance. As there was only a few of us who were behind him when he came to the job, and funny enough it was ones that didn’t see Hooters as this God like figure that could do no wrong.
Anyone watching the open? Would to see Ernie win this
MDS yeah mate the last time he won the open was 10 yrs ago.
Although I like Scott my heart says Els
I hate golf ,like watching paint dry for me.
I unbiasly route for Lee Westwood and to an extent McIllroy. Though I quite like Bubba’s style.
Kim… or like watching stoke play.
Seriously it helps if you play the game
KIM ime with you on that,hitting little balls with a stick does nowt for me,i know dave likes it just his excuse to get away from the mrs i think
Kim I know lots of people the same but when they play it they get the bug.
I have no choice, I find it boring but my dad gets the tv when cricket, tennis and golf is on.
MDS, I had a go once but my co-ordination is crap and it’s too slow for me. I would rather go ice skating or swimming .My mate was round here yesterday watching it ,she loves it ,but then both her lads are brilliant and work at a lot of the tournaments.She was telling me which players are nice people and who are tossers as she’s met a fair few of em.
Kim
Who are some of the ‘famous’ toasters then?
aye the flu bug
What a weekend for South African sporting cornerbacks.
First the Proteas in cricket dominating the English team. Then the Sharks smashing the Queensland Reds in Rugby and now Ernie coming from six shots back in the final round of the Open Golf to beat Aussie Adam Scott.
Off topic, are we having a nufcblog.co.uk league in the fantasy football this year?
If so i’m going to win!!
Kimtoon, do you ever go ice skating then swimming
…..sorry…..
JJ, South Africa are good at quite a few sports…..football isn’t one of them though at the moment…
Nice of you to lend us Zola Bud and Tony Greig though…. (showing my age now)….
Icedog will remember it well though… 
MM@23 ,ain’t been skating in donkeys mate ,do like to swim though.
Andy @19 She said Ernie and Rory are smashing but Tigers an arsehole and when she met Nick Faldo he was horrible .
MM you got the shits yet,dont worry its coming
MM
We only lend you the second hand players.
Kevin Pieterson, Andrew Strauss, Matt Prior, Trott, Lamb all born in South Africa.
Justin Rose, born in South Africa. Won’t even start on your rugby team.
But ye, our footballers are shit and there is far too much racism in the selection… White South African footballers are never considered.
Although it is now coming right slowly… I reckon in about 10 years all our sports teams will be multi-racial and picked on merit…
We actually have a brilliant coach in charge now of the national side. He has won our national premier league with four different clubs… So here’s hoping.
Also MM
Tony Greig’s nationality. South African, English or Aussie all depends on who is on top in the test
He’s pretty unproven really and with the team he had at Huddersfield he should’ve got them up considering the wages and money he had spent on the team. Would have to prove himself a lot more than he already has and not convinced he’s all that as a manager.
JJ, I’ve lost touch with the cricket, but I used to be a big fan in years gone by, and one of my favourites was a brilliant South African batsman who played for Hampshire called Barry Richards, probably way before your time mate…
Rugby, and golf do nowt for me…football is my sport, and apart from Steven Pienaar and the other gadgy who played for Man Utd a few years ago….erm…forgot his name, I couldn’t name you another footy player …
Hadn’t even realised there were any good white south african footballers to be honest. I was in Cape Town earlier this year, and watched some tele round-ups, and football really seemed to be the domain for the black lads.. No disrepect intended…
Icedog@26, I do have the shits at the moment, how did you manage that ?
Kimtoon, I thought my attempted joke at 23 was quite good….
Now I realise why her inside of the doors makes that funny face at me when I try and be funny…
MM most things is before our time where your concerned owld lad
Andy@29, I tend to agree with you. I would have put him on the budding up and coming young managers list. He still may deserve to be, but I hadn’t realised he’d been given so much money to play with until I read this blog article…
Still, he could still make a good manager in years to come, and cos he has a geordie passport and speaks the language his name is sure to appear in the frame in years to come.
Good luck to him at Brum, that unbeaten run that he put together whilst at Huddersfield was pretty impressive at the end of the day.
Andy,
The skill some of our black players have is unreal, but unfortunately they are miles behind Europe in tactics and team play.
I wish they could learn from the central African countries. Like I say, we finally have a good coach so let’s see…
Quinton Fortune was the player. Before him was Gary Bailey.
I know Barry Richards, same as Graeme Pollock were both prevented from playing because of the Apartheid system of our pathetic previous government.
Aaron Mokoena plays for Blackburn, Bongani Khumalo plays for the Spuds.
Quite a few actually play in Germany.
But ye, they usually end up in Europe or the Saudi Leagues.
MM I hope your not picking on young Ice today
As for Clark getting good players yeah he was lucky to have a manager to back him but it still takes a decent manager to get results, you only have to look at some of the prem managers that got endless supplies of money and still done fuk all with it, so while money etc helps you still need to know something about the game to be successful with them
Oh ye there is another you might remember who now plays for South Africa… Marty Pattison.
He was hated by supporters at first but now is loved.
*Matty
Kim
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Thought tiger would be. Did he hit on her?
By the way ‘toaster’ was meant to be ‘tosser’. Stupid phone
JJ@35…my names not Andy mate …
Icedog@33, I’m not as young as I look, had a hard paper round mate…
Haha,
Sorry MM, didnt even realise I had said Andy.
No probs mate…
Thats him, Quinton Fortune and Gary Baily. Actually, two really top players…
Wasn’t there a Matty Pattinson who played for the Toon ?
Andy @39 No ,god that’s so funny though ,as if you knew her you would know it would be a very dumb move on his part as she’s a devout Christian like. She hates his lifestyle choices as you can imagine.
MM@32 Didn’t realise it was a joke sorry ,but then I am a bit slow on the uptake at times like.
MM@43 yes there was.
Big D@36, Richietoon hasn’t been on for a while, so I though I’d put a couple of quick ones in for him…
Kimtoon, am not sure he lasted too long though from my recollection..
SSN reporting that Galatasaray are preparing a bid for Ba at the end of the month…………. and that Ajax are prepared to listen to offers from Newcastle for Anita
mm@47 couple of years I think at senior level.
MM @ 46 aye I think Richie is maybe sleeping of his dinner as he packs away some amount of scran so he needs a long siesta
then he gets up bright and early on monday cause its his abuse free day
Clarky is still unproven at this stage.
It’s just a romantic thought of him taking over us one day and leading us to glory.
It’s fair to say he was given a small fortune at Huddersfield and clubs with far less resources got promoted whilst they floundered.
That’s him MM, he played a couple first team games.
Kim
Hasn’t stopped him in the past. The man’s smoother than Ronaldo’s legs.
Did anyone see the story on Owen
Dave
No, what’s happened?
ANDY
there you go
http://www.themag.co.uk/guest-writers/michael-owen-at-last-repays-the-fans/?
I’d like to see us keep our manager for years. Besides, what’s Clarkie’s qualifications for being manager of this club? To be fair he’s cutting his teeth at the sharp end, but he’s not exactly slicing through ice.
Okay he’s played for us but then Stuart Pearce has played for England, and he doesn’t seem suited to being an England or GB coach. Yes Clarkie’s a local lad, but you’ve got to go on achievements first; the local lad thing should just come in when you’re stuck with two great candidates and you need a tie breaker. Steve Bruce was touted at one time because he’s a geordie, but who would have him now if Pards was to go?
In his drunken rant during the second half yesterday, Troy was on about the JT trial. He said he was definitely 100% guilty and asked me what I thought. I said I hadn’t followed it closely, but thought that the court had found that the evidence wasn’t enough. Sitting on the edge of his sofa pointing his finger, he shouted there was no doubt he was guilty and that I was thick because the evidence proved it. I asked why, if he was 100% guilty, the court did not think it had sufficient evidence to convict him. He said that’s because the courts are the courts. What is played out in the courts often does not reflect the reality of the situation because the lawyers live in ivory towers. However, anyone can see from the video evidence that JT said what he is alleged to have said and that his version of events was simply not plausible in any way. I argued that the court could not say he was definitely guilty based on the video so how could he be so sure. So, according to Troy, it is because of me and people like me who can’t see the truth that this country is the way it is. Will the courts view this as libel? If so, delete it quick.
Sorry Andy meant to put the link up
http://www.themag.co.uk/guest-writers/michael-owen-at-last-repays-the-fans/
JJ@52, kin ‘el you are spot on there, it’s the same lad who played for the toon…
Your lads must have liked the look of him in yellow and green at Norwich, and got him called in…
He must be performing ok though, otherwise he wouldn’t have gotten a call up ? Congratulations to him !
B+B I have known a fair few miscarriages of justice and I have seen people get of with things that I know they were 100% guilty off but due to lack of evidence etc they got away with it
Evening everyone, chasing articles tonight like, posted on the Remy article and nee bugger has since
Did see this one!
Great call though, grew up with the likes of Clarkie as my footballing hero so would be great to see him manage the club one day.
Have to quickly follow that up by saying that I am completely behind and totally happy with Pardew.
I suppose it’s a bit like wanting to see my boy playing for NUFC ….. one day, but he’s not quite ready yet
Toonsy,
Are you doing a Talk Sport Predictor this coming season matey
Clarky is taking small steps at the moment, but he has a long way to go before he’s ready for the toon.
Cheers Ice and Dave, just like the Enrique thing except with more bench jokes
Big Dave – In the case in question, Troy has no more evidence than you, me or the court. The court said there wasn’t sufficient evidence. All I’m saying is it doesn’t matter how much you think JT’s version is unlikely, you cannot say you are 100% sure of his guilt, as Troy does, when a court of law drops the case. It doesn’t stop anyone very much suspecting that he was guilty. I’m appalled that it cost the taxpayer £500,000 when the case was so weak. The injured party didn’t even bring the complaint and didn’t want to see it in court.
B+B yeah I agree all im saying is that if there wasn’t enough evidence then the judges hands are tied as it has to be beyond all reasonable doubt, but that doesn’t always make it right, but lots of times the law is an ass.
I can’t help but think though why would Ferdinand go to all that bother
Big Dave – It doesn’t always make it right when you know that the court has reached the wrong verdict or when the court decides it doesn’t have enough information. There’s only one person who could know the truth and who could feel a sense of injustice if the truth did not come out and that’s AF. Troy cannot say he’s 100% sure or call someone else thick for not agreeing with him (1) because he wasn’t there and (2) because the evidence wasn’t conclusive.
I can’t help but think why AF didn’t want to see the case in court.
B+B did you not give him a good clip round the ear when he called you thick
Meant to ask as I never followed it that much who brought the case
Big Dave – Na. He’s bigger than me. Besides he’s a dumwit. He just cannot see it and that’s not a crime.
I’ve seen it demonstrated where, on watching a video, you feel absolutely sure that someone has done something or said something, but then see a video from a different angle and you take a completely different view. I’ve watched the clip, and whilst it doesn’t look good for JT, it is not at all conclusive IMO. Obviously the judge thought the same. If the referee had given testimony to say he witnessed the whole incident and it accorded with one version or the other, I would be happy to conclude guilt or otherwise.
I would not say the same if it was a team mate of AF giving evidence because I’ve actually seen an assault charge brought to court in relation to a game I was playing in and the team loyalties were obvious in the testimonies. The incident involved me in that I had moved from one team to another and the incident started when someone asked me why I had wanted to play for this pile of sh*te. Unfortunately, I had my back to the incident. I watched the case from the gallery.
I think the CPS brought the case because an off duty copper complained (based on the TV evidence I think).
B+B @ 70
huking fell I really can’t understand why if the “Victim” doesn’t want to pursue a case why it should go ahead, anyway IMO the whole country has gone crazy for stupid shit when the time and money could be spent on something worthwhile, the law sucks 
Oh I hear he is getting back to fighting weight
Pards latest soundbite on Demba is interesting.
“Demba wants to play in a central role.He wants to get himself chances to sc ore goals.
“And I think in 90 per cent of the games next year that’s where he’ll play.”
Well ,not sure I agree with that like. Cisse for me is the more instinctive striker and our number 9. What does everyone else make of that statement?
Kim – I saw that one too. He obviously has something in mind but I can’t see what!
Back to 442 surely?
Can’t stand him but I actually feel sorry for Michael Owen…
What a stupid PR stunt though… They say any publicity is good publicity, well I just don’t want to see him end up like Gary Speed.
Kim I think it’s a big mistake to publicly state it, the only think I can think of is to convince him to sign up but still can’t see the sense in it, or maybe to allay fans fears of Ba leaving
JonR or a 4 3 1 2 with Benny having a license to thrill
JJ I don’t think he is getting much bad abuse fuk Joey B got far worse than that. I don’t see the connection between that and Speed
I agree that Cissie might be best in the centre, but he seems to be able to score from anywhere whereas Ba played best or at least scored more when in the centre. Think I would just rotate them between games even during games. Though if Cissie can still score from wide left or off centre, stick him there, 20-25 from him and 15-20 from Ba would be the best we have had inmany many years, since Al and Sir Les I reckon
Jon r @73 Looks like it ,unless Cisse is being put out wide
. Makes no sense to me .If he’d said 50% it would make more sense as that would suggest rotation . 
.
Dave ,The publicity angle ,I had not thought of actually. You could be right mate. This would suggest to would be suitors that he ain’t going anywhere and we are building the team around him maybe.
Who knows we will soon see come deadline day no doubt.
Ah cheers for putting this up Toonsy
Kim-I agree completely…to be honest I was getting annoyed enough when Cisse was switching with Ba last season and rotating because Ba’s touch was so bad by that point that all our attacks seemed to be breaking down-play to your strengths, not to the players ego!
That being said if Ba can get back on form he’s still an unbelieveable striker. The problem is, he’s better than Cisse at running and passing and skill to get it round a player…It’s his natural game, but Cisse still looks…I don’t know, a bit awkward with it as it feet, until it leaves his boots anyway!
I just hope this means that we’ll be playing 4-3-3 with Benny behind both strikers? That could still be a great position for benny and it is after all where Pardew insisted he would play…
JJ@74 , I can see what you are saying but Owen is full of self confidence and actually jokes about his time on the bench and stuff himself .He was doing just that on a question of sport. Your consideration for him is admirable all things considered.
Newkie would that not be a 4 3 1 2
Newkie @80 I get exactly what your saying there.I would watch him and think he looked like an excited kid playing footie down the park, get the ball and just have a shot ,all instinct and stuff ,bloody thrilling .
I’m off ,busy day tommorow cya later.
Kim take it easy im off meself
Dave-Semantics mate semantics! Otherwise we’ve been playing 4-5-1 this whole season!
Ha! Just tuned in.
B&B
I don’t recall calling you thick. Naive yes.
Beyond all reasonable common sense should replace beyond reasonable doubt.
Dave is right beyond all reasonable doubt that many cases are lost yet they guilty as sin.
The circumstances of the terry case were ridiculous. It shouldn’t have got to court. There was never going to be enough evidence to convict.
However, I challenge Mr Terry to go on the Jeremy Kyle show and take the lie detector test.
I bet B&B wouldn’t be so sure then.
The reason why I believe he’s guilty? Never in the history of collie dogs and whistle commands have I heard or seen anyone repeat a long sentence to clarify exactly what he’s being accused of.
What was that Anton? “I said you were a horrible f??ckin black c@nt? ”
Wow! Easy to get off with it court but even easier to know the truth by using life experience.
B&B
Am I not right in believing you were a juror once and of the 12 good men, you were the only one to nominate a guilty verdict.
Remind me?
mind i must say before thread ends,i never rated clark as a player in that team we had at the time,in fact was a pain in the arse in a attacking sense
always playing side ways football or playing the ball back in fact the lads called him sideways,never made a defence splitting pass in his life
TROY thanks for the comment you didnt reply to on last thread
What comment Ice?
Ice you are getting mixed up with David Batty not Clarky.
Clarky was never negative.
He asked if ya fancy dinner, nae strings…
TROY your comment @45 my reply @47 last thread,kna ime not getting mixed up with batty he played a d/m role clark was crap mate,most fans in what was the popular end then dis-liked him a lot very negative used to pray for him to play a forward ball wasnt in his make-up ime afraid
@Ice
I only use my phone on the mobile site so no post numbers available.
I will on this occasion count with my fingers as it looks like you aren’t going to explain it.
@Ice
Firstly. Alan Shearer was not loyal.
He didn’t decide he wanted to play for the Toon until he was 26 yrs and the Toon paid a world record for him with an equally lucrative wage package. He stayed at the Toon as he believed we could win things as we were big spenders.
Secondly, I used to watch Clarky week in week out and I disagree as I pointed out before. He was never negative and a cracking one touch footballer. His only fault was his lack of pace.
Thirdly, Beardsley was IMO the best Toon player I’ve seen play.
Again, like Gazza, they were heroes who left the club. I didn’t and still don’t blame them at all.
Just like I don’t blame Carroll. They all went for the same reasons.
The club wanted the transfer money and the players wanted to better themselves.
TROY dont agree on AS he could have left toon many times in his stint here which he himself has said,sorry but imo clark was crap,aye he was one touch backwards
Troy
Shearer could have played in at any club in the world. To say he wasn’t loyal is pure bullshit and you know it.
I agree with Ice…..
Troy ,I got to agree with ice mate. Did Al not even go in goal at the youth academy just to be at the club like. It was Toon who let him go to Southampton .As I understand it he could of gone to any number of clubs abroad both prior to coming to Toon and when with us.
Think Shearer was loyal to us. Only thing Id say is he was paid very well ( at the time ) for his loyality. Was he paid so much for his loyality or was becasue he was so loyal to us he was paid so much?
Troy sorry me old bean but I think Ice has called it right with Big Al
well i have read many comments over a long time from troy re ba/carroll,as,batty,clark ect ect,and has a right to his view,but imo he hasnt a bloody clue when it comes to judgeing a player,weather he does this to wind people up i dont know but maybe when it comes to judgeing a talent he should stick to his grandad sport of wrestling
just wonder how many clubs bid for clark when he was at the toon,oh i remember none,even stuck the knife in and went to the scum
Troy has a lot of huff and puff but at the end of the day he is clueless
Troy – “Dave is right beyond all reasonable doubt that many cases are lost yet they guilty as sin.” I agree. You were too busy shouting me down in a drunken rage to understand or remember that.
“The circumstances of the terry case were ridiculous. It shouldn’t have got to court. There was never going to be enough evidence to convict.” That’s not what you were raging at the the time. You said he was 100% guilty. I said I don’t know how you can say that when there’s not enough evidence to prove it. The question remains and you haven’t answered it. If he’d been 100% guilty, he’d have been convicted. You were slagging off the legal system but you shouldnt be able to convict anyone without sufficient evidence. You have no more evidence than the court. One of your typical drunken soap box rages where you shout me down and I have to fight for five or ten minutes just to get a word in, and even then you don’t listen. You’ve moderated your tone and changed your position considerably in the cold light of day. YOU PLONKA.
go ahead Ice get that of your chest
I bet Richie is glad it’s his day off today.
DAVE
richie is a good lad at least hes good on the footy game,has his buttons on imo
that was hard,wish monday was over
@B&B
I think in the cold light of day you are agreeing with me but are more bothered by my drunken rant. No wonder I get in a drunken rant. I drink and get frustrated cos I’m drunk and know in the cold light of day you will agree with me.
cabaye
http://www.turkish-football.com/news_read.php?id=3236
Ice I have to say I know Clarke wasn’t the best in the world but I liked him and thought he was an honest hard working pro.
Troy – What evidence are you using to say that Big Al wasn’t loyal to the Toon?
“He didn’t decide he wanted to play for the Toon until he was 26 yrs and the Toon paid a world record for him with an equally lucrative wage package. He stayed at the Toon as he believed we could win things as we were big spenders.” Call that evidence?
First, Jack Hixon took him to Southampton when he was a kid. Second, when he got the opportunity to return home he took it over the chance to join Man U. Third, he saw out the rest of his career at the Toon despite big opportunities to go elsewhere: you said it yourself “He stayed at the Toon”.
DAVE i respect your view mate,i found it hard work watching him
aye a good pro thats why he went to scum to make a few quid when nobody else would have him 
Ice whats that about Cabaye ? Owt serious as im on my phone and cant get it.
Troy that just brotherly love mate
Aussie
Ye, and Troy has a lot more of the ‘huff’ than the ‘puff’…
Ai Ice, the Richie, he’s alright.
I see Pardew has said he sees Tavenier as a central defender?! The lad is 5’10″. Don’t think Richie will be pleased to hear that!
Dave,
The Cabaye story is a load of crap. Barcelona don’t want him and that Baroni that they mention as a potential replacement would cost about 8mil and he turns 30 this year.
@everyone who says AS was loyal.
You are all wrong.
Answer truthfully;
If Shearer had been treat the same way as Carroll by the board do you believe he would have stayed.?
Is it not correct that he demanded a clause in his contract making sure he was always the highest paid player despite his age or performance?
Did he only decide to come to Newcastle when Keegan had us flying?
Where was he before that? Blackburn, Southampton? I never heard him shouting Come and get me when we were in the old second division.
NOW MAKE THIS CLEAR AS PER NORMAL ON HERE, SOME WILL GET THE WRONG END OF THE STICK SO READ CAREFULLY;
I am not deriding Shearer. He was a great servant, a great footballer, a great embassador past and present for us. But to say he was loyal i suspect you’ve all bought a pair of Wolfies rose tinted geps!
Troy & Blackley, just kiss and make up ffs… you are brothers after all aren’t you ?
Troy Stavers
July 23, 2012 at 10:15
“If Shearer had been treat the same way as Carroll by the board do you believe he would have stayed.?”
Ruud Gullit gave that a good go didn’t he?
JJ….All I said was I prefer them over 6ft as everyone does if they’re being honest
and that most good C’s are over 6ft as it’s definately an advantage if they’re 6ft+, obviously there are exceptions like Cannavaro who you compared to Mariappa 
…..anyhoo where did Pards say he sees Tav as a CB, dya have a link?
JJ….spot on about the Barca story being crap, though Baroni turns 30 next year(still too old though)
Troy,
Are you honestly comparing Shearer to Carroll?
Shearer was a leader, 20x the player Carroll is, he was an example off the field and didn’t go around acting like a gypsy. There would have been far more suitors after him.
The fact is he was never pushed out the door because he wasn’t an arse and every bid made for him was rejected out of hand.
You can’t compare circumstances that would never have arised.
Toonsy @121 spot on
I disagree with batty@124….if he’d said Toonsy@120 then I’d agree
The good old microsoft Richietoon auto correct function on this site is working well I see
Just in 2 minute bursts, then it needs a lie down
Well microsoft products do have a habit of crashing when you need them to work
Whey bollox to me thought of going to Portugal for the friendlies, nae direct flights, nae direct trains and an 8 hr drive…just have to rely on us getting to the Europa group stages.
@Toonsy
Thats why I specifically stated the board.
The manager and board are totally different. Shearer knew Gullit was on his way out.
JJ
You’re the first one to get the wrong end of the stick. My goodness grief.
Troy – You’re arguing what would he have done if… Who, apart from you, knows? Did he stay with the Toon when he could have won major honours elsewhere? Yes. The more you argue this one, the sillier you’re looking. Best just to admit now you got it wrong.
@B&B
It’s easy to be loyal when you are treat like a god and paid a fortune.
I don’t know if he was loyal. I can’t see how people can.
All I can go on are his huge wage demands, the club not accepting any offers for him and his lack of effort in trying to join the club pre Keegan era.
Do you believe he would have stayed if the club accepted an offer for him?
He would have blew a gasket and fled IMO .
@B&B
Sillier? Not at all. Those that say he was loyal as if the sun shone from his arse are wrong.
Hes no different to Beardsley or Gazza. The club want to sell you then you leave.
He wasn’t loyal to Southampton or Blackburn was he?
“JJ
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You’re the first one to get the wrong end of the stick. My goodness grief.
What you on about Troy?
http://www.sport360.com/article/debuchy-misses-lille-training-and-wants-newcastle-move?
You are suggesting I’m comparing Carroll to Shearer?
How?
Carroll was offered 3 x the wages shearer was and a record for a british player. An offer did come in!
Shearer would never have been offered 3 x his wages as he was on a fortune at the time unlike Carroll.
Shearer did leave southampton and Blackburn for better wages tho
What’s a clause in a contract about being the highest paid player got to do with loyalty? Are you saying he wasn’t loyal because he negotiated his contract properly? I’m saying the biggest test of loyalty is whether he stayed when he could have jumped ship and won honours elsewhere. If the club accepted an offer for him, it means the club don’t want him. It doesn’t matter how much loyalty you’ve got if the club don’t want you, its best for the club if you leave. But that never happened anyway so its all fanciful speculation on your part. Just like your JT 100% guilty line. Heed my advice. Stop digging cos you’re getting deeper and deeper.
Troy,
My point was Shearer was invalueable to the Toon. They wouldn’t sell him at any price…
Carroll they wanted to push out the door according to you… don’t that tell you something about their characters.
Shearer’s loyalty never had to ever come in to question, so to make assumptions on and eventuality that never happened is pointless and a poor arguement to defend Carroll.
You are inventing facts from your own opinion.
Troy,
Again, Shearer was worth his wages, Carroll wasn’t worth anywhere near 80k/week.
@B&B
Not at all.
Going on your analogy, Carrolls loyalty should not be questioned then. They wanted to sell.
Many on here question it for that very reason.
I take it you aren’t questioning carolls loyalty?
Furthermore, tell me how you listened to an entire criminal case at court and of the 12 jurors you were the only one finding their guilt.
somethings are impossable with troy its like trying to staple water to a tree just not worth the effort imo
Troy – Two stupid arguments.
(1) I’ve never questioned Carroll’s loyalty. What’s he got to do with Shearer?
(2) Just because I was the only one (and I wasn’t if you had ever listened) that means I must have been wrong according to your logic, and you don’t even know anything about the case.
You’re getting so deep now, you’ll end up at Aussie’s Barbie. Chill a tinnie for Troy man Aussie. He’ll be with you in half an hour.
@JJ
Another club thought he was worth £80k per week. They also thought he was worth £35m.
The Toon didn’t believe he was worth more than £28k per week.
They also wanted the transfer fee.
No wonder he left.
Shearer showed no loyalty to Southampton or Blackburn. He left for the same reasons.
Just like Beardsley did and Gazza.
All the same .
@B&B
Not at all. I’ve just cut the grounding ropes on my hot air balloon and rising fast.
There is very little loyalty shown in the world today. I am one of the few
My whole point was to question those who claim shearer was loyal.
I have made enough valid points above which rubbishes their rose tinted perspective viewpoint.
I don’t charge for my advice.
Anyway , keep talking Blackley, your Hot air is boosting my balloon.
I don’t
Shearer was bought for a world record fee and was the best striker in the world when we signed him, He’d just won the golden boot at the euros, He was England captain. Id expect any player of his standing to make demands and id expect any club wanting to buy a player of that calibre to bend over backwards to meet those demands.
I doesnt make him any less loyal to newcastle for not joining us when we were in the 2nd it would have been plain stupid on his part, He did join at a time when we were challengers at the top but still showed huge loyalty to come here and knock back Barcelona and man utd and the guaranteed success he would have had at both.
You could level the same accusation at a others: Would Robson have taken the club on in the situation Smith/Ardiles did ?? Not a prayer he even knocked us back when were sitting pretty in europe after KK and it was common knowledge he was being replaced at barca and then again after Gullit fecked off because we didnt offer him as much money as he wanted
@B&B
You’re right about the court case. Just because you were the only one doesn’t mean you are wrong.
It does sum up the judicial system.
I feel exactly the same on here at times.
I’m the only one who is right.
5 on to 1 isint fair didnt your parents tell you that
you wont get the troyster to tag out and BB you should stick up for your brother 
Troy – I’ve noticed you haven’t answered any of my points. Ice has got you taped – its like stapling water to a tree. If this is what he’s like when he’s sober, can you imagine how frustrating it is for me when he’s drunk, and you can’t get a word in?
I would take some time off from the blog if I were you son. Have a holiday. I’ll see you in Cornwall. Come back refreshed in a month or two when people’s memories have faded and make a new start. In the mean time I’ll go and look for a rope long enough to get you out that hole.
@CC
I agree to a degree.
It would have been ludicrous not to broker a deal as Shearer did.
Just as it would have been to show loyalty to Southampton who took him on as a youth.
Likewise to show loyaltyto Blackburn whom he won the title with.
To come home to the Toon in your prime on huge wages and to be a local hero at his hometown club who were expected to win the league under Keegans fairytale bandwagon. That must have been hard. :-/
Get a grip. History shows he has the same loyalty as all modern day footballers.
None!
Troy Stavers says:
July 23, 2012 at 11:23
@B&B
Furthermore, tell me how you listened to an entire criminal case at court and of the 12 jurors you were the only one finding their guilt.
Troy…it wasn’t you on trial was it?
@Richie
I was one of the other jurors disagreeing with B&B.
Troy…just like you to go with the herd then
@B&B
Keep breathing fella, I’m in the clouds now!
Cheeses wept!!!!! I’ve just found Aussie and Wolfies heeds up here.
Your honour, I have answered all questions asked and that is acknowledged by the barristers and 11 other jurors giving me a rousing round of applause.
The Judge; yes, Mr Stavers I totally agree and I was actually applauding you myself.
I find Mr Shearer no more loyal than any other footballer based on bad character evidence.
Take him down!
@B&B
It doesn’t get more compelling than that when the judge applauds you like
Shearer and Carroll had identical loyalty – to their wallets!!
“Get a grip. History shows he has the same loyalty as all modern day footballers.”
Well if thats the case then why are you still bleating about the club treating Carroll badly like it had any bearing on him leaving, If he had no loyalty it would have made no difference if they had fed him grapes on his chaise lounge or treated him like scum…
will he be coming now then
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/lille-agree-sidibe-fee-debuchy-freed-094739302.html
@sidekick
High tank Hugh.
Exactly my point.
Though I don’t blame either.
I’ve just seen B&B at the calor gas store. Must be filling up.
Ice @158 – I didn’t pay any attention when I heard the Sidibe deal had been announced on Troy’s website.
@CC
Carroll is as loyal as the next man.
If the club say they don’t want to improve your contract despite another club offering 3 times as much and they want to accept £35m then, not only would Carroll be doing the right thing by leaving but Shearer would do exactly the same in the same circumstances. He did it at Blackburn and Southampton.
Carroll would have stayed if the toon showed they wanted him by negotiating an improved contract.
They are all as loyal as the club they play for.
An old Les Kellet saying;
It’s hard to argue with the truth.
He whispered those words on his death bed.
Grandma Vanga always repeated those words even when confronting my mam, about B&B being born illegitimately.
Betty Waff (my mother) was caught in the barn with a potato picker. B&B came along 9 months later.
You were aware of that Blackers weren’t you? Oops!
Ice is now thinking,
” Blackley & Brownlies” ? They must be types of spuds.
You can’t blame carroll for leaving.. As Bobby Shinton reported via his contact within the club ‘you can’t blame him for leaving for 120k per week’ …so you can see why Troy backs Carroll..
Troy – so wrong on so many occasions.. I can see a new internet persona heading our way. 
rip – Bobby – rip – Troy 
Let’s be honest here!
Andy Carroll pulled a flanker no matter what happened after it.
He saw an opportunity to re-negotiate his contract(or so he thought) and used the January fire sales to implement it knowing that the ink was barely dry on the previous one he just signed.
He showed no loyalty whatsoever to the club.
What actually really happened over that transfer sage I suppose we won;t really know until a biography comes out, assuming there hasn’t been a gag on it.
Carroll had his dream number nine shirt…the same shirt he sat at school day dreaming about and once achieved, he put that dream in jeopardy by calling the clubs bluff.
I’m not saying that the club didn’t play it’s part in it as well but the fact remains that Carroll chose the readies at the earliest opportunity over hero status.
I agree that loyalty is few and far between in any circle of life, yet the fact remains that Carroll had, what many many toon fans would have given their bollocks for, which is the number 9 shirt.
Toonsy
Once again i disagree with your premis that Pardew is a good manager and yes, most of us know of Clarke’s record undefeated stretch.
However at the same time we probably did’nt get the full story as to why he was sacked?
I’m thinking it possibly had more to do with the financial part of management, than the footballing side.
Obviously something Pardew does’nt have to worry about, as it appears the financial side is taken care of by higher ups and the recruitment of players, by Carr.
Of course it has to appear that Pardew has a degree of control and it has been rumored that Obertan was one of his choices, but i seriously doubt he does much more than pencil in the side, with the coaches doing the preperation, keeping those dressing room ego’s from becoming upset is a big enough job on its own.
In other words it’s my belief this club is run by comittee not unlike many corporations, with Ashley having to stamp his approval on every decission.
As for Replacing Pardew, who i think is the weak link in the chain, by demonstrating as of this time much real knowledge of either tactics or how the modern game is played, then the sooner he gets the Engerland call and is replaced by a student of the modern game , the better for the future of NUFC .
But therfore lies the problem, Chris Hughton, a former respected Spurs coach under a number of different managers, was sacked by Ashley, not because he did’nt bring success, but because he was’nt someone ashley felt comfortable with and birds of a feather tend to flok to-gether, ergo Pardew who does what he is told and throws out a few soundbites, signifying nowt.
And I think this will become more apparent this coming season .
Shame really because Carr seems to be building a decent side here.
@aussie
What bit have I got wrong.
Have you grabbed the poop end of the boomerang again?
Troy, I was agreeing with you mate… when you announced that Carroll was on 120k a while back, I believed you as you had a source within the club
it is the same reason that I still fear that Krul & Tiote will be sold for 15m each.. you are always on the money 
@wolfie
Just like Shearer using his football stature to negotiate a tremendous contract, Carroll tried to do the same no doubt.
No doubt if shearer hadn’t got what he wanted then he would not have come.
I’m basing it on the lack of loyalty he showed to Southampton and Blackburn.
“Of course it has to appear that Pardew has a degree of control and it has been rumored that Obertan was one of his choices, but i seriously doubt he does much more than pencil in the side.”
Never in the history of ‘blog reading have I ever read more crap and ignorance than I have from this Chuck. Its actually embarressing reading his “logic” and statements.
Aussie,
Troy knows we wouldn’t offer Carroll more than 28k/per week. His mate Steve Wraith told him and the Tooth Fairy confirmed it
Don’t worry Troy, it could be worse… you could be a Mackem, or Chuck
Total and utter bollox spouted from Chuck yet again.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Begars belief.
@aussie
No need to shout. I’m in the clouds in my balloon.
Have you not read my previous post?
Now turn round and speak to Timmy (to me)
JJ @172 your talking about one of org best
a bit more schooling and he would be a half wit 
JJ
One of my favourite Chuck posts on .org was when he was describing the subtleties of Nicky Butts play
anyway enough about that wanker!
strange not a lot of richie today and its his day off too
Troy,
Shearer spend four years at Blackburn and won them a Premier League trophy. His move from So’ton was to further his career.
His move to Newcastle from Blackburn was loyalty and pride, he spend over ten years at his boyhood club and scored over 200 goals. He stayed despite some rough years.
Carroll didn’t even prove himself, he deserted his boyhood club after half a season in the Premiership and went to a club that placed three places below us… so no ambition there for money… well thats according to you anyway
*spent
chuck
July 23, 2012 at 12:51
“Toonsy
Once again i disagree with your premis that Pardew is a good manager and yes, most of us know of Clarke’s record undefeated stretch.”
Eh?
It’s not even my article
Oh no, now chuck is here. As if one idiotly opinioned person wasn’t enough.
@JJ
You flower up Shearers record all you want you won’t change my opinion.
Money is the main factor in all these dealings, whether it be Shearer, Carroll, Beardsley or Gazza.
They are as loyal as the club they play for.
Afternoon Begas.
You shouldn’t put yourself down like that.
Didn’t Shearers contract small print ensure he remained the highest paid player at the club. When MOwen turned up didn’t AS get a pay rise also??
Have to agree with Troy here, its all about the money.
End of.
All footballers are human and just like you or I, can be blinded by Greed.
I’m certain Judas was too.
Chuck’s doing his best to take the heat off you Troy. He’s not an alter ego is he?
BB
No, I’m quite sure Shearer said he was ok with Owen becoming the new record signing and earning more than him.
While thats all very modest, he is a prick for encouraging Owen to come here. Only thing I’ll ever hold against him.
Troy,
How many years did Carroll spend with Newcastle? How many years did Shearer spend with Newcastle?
@bootsy
Yes that clause was in his contract. My source told me so.
B&B
No good sneaking a comment on when I’ve been away posting as chuck on .org
I always get the last word. Keep blowing hot air Blackley the balloon is dropping since the others changed threads!
Wow! JJ. You’ve done it again!
Have you read the reasons I gave about Carroll and Shearer?
I don’t really need to repeat them do I?
Read and digest and then think about what you are going to write. You sound like Blackley!
Well said Bootsy! Common sense beats beyond all reasonable doubt anyway.
The blinkered crew are blinded by true faith.
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