Starting to show some potential?
What I mean by this, is, when you consider what we had in place many years ago in terms of young talent mostly scooped from local boys clubs coupled with the odd further afield signing of the odd youngster, plucked from non-league clubs, we didn’t really seem to capitalise on their talents did we?
Think back to the time when we had a really good influx of extremely good up and coming youths, like Lee Clark, Robbie Elliott, Steve Watson and looking further into the past, players like Paul Gascoigne, Chris Waddles and so on. Players who actually made it into the first team and possessed the talent to propel them to a higher plain, yet we didn’t have any real back up, to back them up, so to speak.
I think that is probably the closest we ever really came to having a solid base of abundant young talent all capable of vying for a first team place, which many achieved for a short period, yet unfortunately too many were plunged into the deep end too quickly, which made us look like a very young talented side but it also made us a wet behind the ears talented side with too much pressure being placed on too many young shoulders at the time.
At that time, we were known as a selling club and we tended to sell the best players and replace them with mediocre players, with the emphasis on blooding these youngsters alongside of the new buys. As we know, it did not work because it was done the wrong way round.
I’ll explain.
What we did in the past was sell the players that produced the goods and replaced them with players that had a name but didn’t exactly produce anything out of the ordinary, which weakened us in terms of quality and experience.
The problem was we then blooded the youngsters in with those players and suffered for it because the youngsters weren’t exactly learning anything from most that were brought in, so basically they didn’t have much in the form of a role model to shape them into the top class players that they threatened to be.
Ultimately, we lost most of those young players because although talented, they suffered from the pressure of having to produce consistently as if they were seasoned professionals. It wasn’t long before other clubs came in and picked them off though, as other clubs could see the talent and could nurture it, which was something that we were more or less clueless about.
We never ever seemed to be able to shape the majority because those youngsters were mainly an afterthought, or a stop gap, if you like.
We appear to have addressed that though, especially since Mike Ashley took over and his clever appointment of Alan Pardew, who as we all know, is a master of producing talent and using them as and when he feels the time is right and not when he’s trying to just fill a hole.
This club is building the foundations of youth and the foundations being laid and smooth and true and all we are waiting for is the curing of that concrete base that can withstand the continued presence of the regular young foot-soldiers that will cascade over it.
What we are doing right this time around is, we have not only put the youth set up firmly on solid ground but we have went into the market overseas and local to ensure that we get the right blend of talent that will ultimately be the future for this club.
The reason why it will work this time around, is because of the quality seasoned professionals we are bringing in. Those who the young players can actually see as their role models and make them work their socks off to be as good or better than them because the young players know that, if they get their chance, working with and training with top quality who they know can only improve their game and improve it as good as anywhere in the country right now, yet they are given time to get hungry and are given time to adjust to gaining the required physical strength, insight, talent and mental toughness to be able to take on the rigours of a Premier League season.
The pleasing thing is, this club focuses on the youth aspect as much as it focuses on bringing in seasoned performers as they all go hand in hand to making the club a continued future success.
We seem to be taking advantage of the fact that the so called bigger clubs are buying in what they need and are putting only a small emphasis on the young starlets out there, who will, in time, become the expensive stars of the future and yet we will have a good amount of them in my opinion.
We are certainly not short of these footsoldiers and we seem to be getting to a stage now that some of these youngsters are so close to being a major part of the season, with a continued conveyor belt of talent just putting in the effort and learning, to follow them and so on and so on.
The rise of the Newcastle United footsoldiers is happening and it’s going be one exciting future for all of us because all the ingredients are there now and are getting mixed to make a recipe that Gordon Ramsay couldn’t fault.
So lads and lasses, do you think we are on the best track that we have ever been on, or do you think I’m bigging up the youth and it’s set up far too early?
I’d be interested in your total honesty on the subject no matter what critical analysis you feel you can counteract with.
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The way we are set up now from top to bottom is solid so our “youth” are quality and our system nurtures them.
It’s the way forward for sure Wolfie
Its all nice and good to have top quality youngsters but you also need to have top quality coaches to get the best out of them. That is what I think is still lacking. So from Under 8 upwards you need top notch qualified coaches if you want to develop them into EPL players. Thats where I think former NCL players should come into the mold who can pass theire skills experiences on to the youngsters. A good example is Peter Beardsley.
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Agree with Flash…speaking of the Academy, does anyone know when the “final” decision on it’s “category status” is/was?
Richietoon not quite sure when they will make the annoucement. I guess they are still auditing all the clubs. Will be a good thing as it allows you to sign youngsters from all over the country. But at the same time plays into agent`s hands again as talented players will already have an agent who brands them about. Things like that already happen on the continent where this sort of system is in place sine decades. Anyway cant wait for some transfer news.
Agree with Flash. I’ve been saying it for years, our youth and reserve coaching set up is piss poor. Hence why we aren’t developing our younguns to regular 1st team players.
I think this will have to be addressed soon, if we are to put the brakes on how much we spend on new players every season.
@beardsleysboots could not agree more. We must have a look to replicte the “french” approach. They seem to have a never ending well of youngsters coming through. NCL must be seen as a center of excelence for those young footballers (clairefontain academey). We should engage with grass roots teams to see what sort of talents they have on their teams and help them develeop their coach`s as well as “taking their big talents” into our academy. Works in Germany, France, Spain, Italy
. Those last mentioned should not cost the world to the club but increase our reputation and talent pool signifacantly.
The real problem with our youth development is money… The premier league is a cash cow and in the recent past our management has feared playing inexperienced players because of fears of dropping points & places on the ladder. There is too much on the line for an under pressure manager to risk playing youngsters when his team is struggling.. Unfortunately there was/has been very little concern about development, only survival…
Think Aussie has a point, but also so does Wolfie. I know it’s only pre-season but so far the kinds on the fringe have been given a chance and have put themselves in a position where they will be under consideration for the next game. If they keep doing that then they’ll be in and around the first team
Bigi, Abeid, Tavernier have all impressed whilst Sammy looks a different player. They look to be cementing a place as squad players ready to come in and take over the remains when called upon.
Aussie this certainly played a part but also we have think that if you have quality youngsters then you are more likely to field them. On another point Mr Guardiola brought the youth work of the EPL to a point when he said that he has about 10 Jack Whilsere in the reserves and we hype him up just because he can pass a ball over 5 yards.
That’s the thing Toonsy, Pardz has cut himself some slack to give these young’uns a go. I can’t remember a manager for Newcastle that has had the luxury since the late great Sir Bobby..
NUFC.COM reporting Lille have signed a new right back indicating that could hasten Debuchy’s exit, fingers crossed.
Flash, I agree with what you are saying.. but for every young fella that wasn’t quite good enough, there is another that didn’t get a chance because a manager didn’t have the guts to give them a good run… how many players shine in a promoted team purely because they have been given a chance on the big stage. Before that they would have been average championship players..
I think the general problem has been bleeding in the youth. We the fans aren’t generally helping either by either shooting them down for a couple of poor displays and thus getting frustrated when the manager brings him on OR by placing them on too high a pedestal that they can’t possibly hope to achieve… Just hope the likes of Campbell (who’s been compared to Rooney) and JJ Hooper(Drogba) don’t fall to this.
Wolfie, I agree with the article. Sammy, ferguson, Abeid, Tavernier, Vuckic (not sure he’ll make it with us), and now Bigirimana pushing through. And in the next few years we’ll have Campbell, JJ Hooper, Remind Streete, and maybe another goalkeeper comin through!
The future is black and white!
Flash…I’d read that Newcastle’s academy had fallen short of qualifying for Cat 1 status in a few areas but that the club hadn’t given up hope of rectifying it before a final decision was made. I’d thought I’d read it was this month but I know that the Premier academies that haven’t yet been inspected will be getting checked in September, seems a bit unfair that those ones get an extra 3/4 months to prepare for the inspection procedure.
Well stop shooting down the young fella’s then Andy…. sheeesh, you call yourself a fan
Aussie Magpie yeah you are right. Would like to see if Andy Caroll would have ever made it if we would not have been in the champinonship. What you recon about Sammy do you think he has what it takes? For me with the right guidance Tavernier could be our next Top youngster to come through.
We have some decent youth prospects, but whether they’ll improve enough to ever get into our first 11 in the next few years is up for debate, personally I have my doubts that many will-although Tavernier, Sammeobi and Bigi certainly seem to have the skills and mentality to make it.
The euros will be a big chance for all of them.
In regards to youth players development i think its major problem within English football. And since Ireland depends on our players developing in England ( as League of Ireland football is worse than shit ) I have a vested interest in it.
The way I would like Newcastle would be set up a similar system to Barcelona ( doesnt every club? ) I am aware there is rescrictions on how much time clubs can train youth players and the 90min rule etc etc. But what I think we should do is have a centre of excellance ( or whatever u want to call it ) and bring in coaches from local teams and get them trained to a high level in terms of UFEA coaching etc etc so they can pass it onto their clubs and the cream of the loacl talent end up at NUFC centre of excellance. Also would get the club more involved in the loacl community and we might not miss out on the Alan Shearers Carricks etc etc.
On twitter someone has a pic of Debuchy, can anybody comfirm whether its actually a picture from Newcastle first and foremost? Looks promising – go on twitter and search for skirgey – he has uploaded it, its on his profile
AMF
Ya got me there
Flash I reckon Sammy will be OK, if he puts on a couple of kg’s and gets a bit more mongrel in him.. You have to think you are better than your opposition player and work hard to break them down.. I don’t mean for him to be a dirty player but more combative I guess. If he can bring that to his game then he will be set…
Good call with Carroll, it certainly would have been interesting to see how he would have gone if we weren’t relegated..
I hope a few of these players get loaned out. It will undoubtedly help their development. I think Vuckic, Abeid, and Tabernier could really use it. All of them going to a Championship club for a while would be a great time for them to learn and improve
BigPapa…..I’d put money on it being a photoshop effort from a mackem due to the “Greggs” in the background and doubt you’d have 2 greggs that close together….though I often dream about it
If its true that santon is engaged to a Geordie girl then he works fast. He’s been here for less than 12 months and couldnt understand English for 3/4months when arriving.
Andrew….I can’t see any of those 3 being loaned out as I think they’ll all be featuring in the 1st squad, I think NUFC have already knocked Cardiff back with Vuckic.
Andy..Nae wonder Zoe hasn’t been on for a while
I see we are inked with a guy called Rod Fanni…. aparently he is a fullback, with a name like that you would think porno’s would be his game of choice
Richie
Do you miss the fine Greggs cousine in Spain
inked = linked..
Richie
Nah I’m sure she’s more of a S.Taylor girl
Andy….Damn right, tried this thing that looked sort of like a pasty and it was absolutely mingin….would kill for a steakbake or a chickenbake or cheese n onion…..or even better all 3
Or I’m sure she has a thing for Timmy. Teas Krul love
Teas = Twas
Aww Richie, you should get some sent over
Andy…It’s my first call when I land as there’s one in the airport at the arrival gate
thats fake that pic on twatter
Big Papa, that’s most certainly photoshopped (badly).
Here’s the original:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-zzP9yCkkYfo/T8DvMP-tjFI/AAAAAAAALm4/3JrMyvp_DYY/s1600/19.MathieuDebuchy.jpg
…quite funny though.
Hitman….you mean there aren’t 2 Greggsys that close together?
Richie
Only in Newcastle
What are you all saying !!! Things on twitter could be fake…bloody hell that is a surprise
Richie;
Wallsend has two greggs shops within 50 yards of each other.
There is a third one about a mile away which is a ‘next day’ greggs and my favourite , selling 2 steak bakes or 2 chicken bakes or 2 cheese pasties for £1.
2 meat pasties or 2 mince pies cost £1.20.
Must admit that this third shop is very popular with the locals.
a come on have some faith in twitter and specialy colin
Sidekick….sounds like heaven, I have to put up with all this “healthy” Mediterranean crap
When I went to York(weekend) I noticed that there was a Costa Coffee, a Starbucks and a Cafe Nero all within a 100 metre radius of one another in the town square. Now that’s competition
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Did you get your house sorted Rich? ?
Aussie…put an offer in but the sellers have been away on hol until yesterday so hopefully get an answer tomorrow…though this is a cheeky attwmpt as it’s a bit out of our price range so will probs have to move onto the next target…..but ya never know, shy bairns get nowt as they say.
I had a steak bake once, it burnt a hole straight through my tongue and lower jaw. Straight onto my brand new Fila tracky top. Ruined.
I think they use the filling in extractive metallurgy to produce iron from ore.
Speaking of pasties, when we were in the Championship had a long weekend down Peterboro when we played them, had day in Cambridge and got 4 pasties and 2 coffees, £18 feckin robbin barstewards……didn’t even have enough left to buy wor lass summat to eat
F*ck it has been a saga mate and yes, you have to speculate to accumulate as they say.
Don’t come to Western Australia then, we get feckin ripped with every food type. At a rough conversion, a good meat pie would set you back around £3.50. Pints of beer around £6.00 ea .. Cost a small fortune to go out on the town over here… bastards..
Richie you should embrace the present and leave the pasty behind
Milan was the most expensive I’ve been too, cheapest pint was 5€ and up to 15€ in the tourist areas……it was usually only fecking Heineken as well, 1€ is too much for that shite
Rodz…
They brew heineken in Oz now under license and they still charge a imported beer price.. bastards…agree, average beer..
Over here you are paying around R8-R15 (max) for a beer. So between 70p and just over a pound, I can’t believe how expensive drinks are in Europe.
Yeah but that’s all sth african beer is worth JJ
On topic, I thought Ashley had had a good clear out because we were carrying so much dross. He’s made a couple of promising signings in the last month, which is a good sign that he’s recognised and is trying to remedy a poor situation.
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