Toon bid for Anita accepted
We’ve been linked with the 23-year-old for most of the summer but, as ever these days, our interest cooled as Ajax played hard to get with Anita.
However it would seem that a fee of around £6.2 million (or €8 million) has been enough to persuade Ajax to part company with their academy prospect who has been at the Amsterdam club for over 13 years now. Anita is yet to agree terms with Newcastle though although you would have to say that negotiations and a medical are just formalities ahead of the closure of the deal. It’s highly unlikely that his agent will have no idea what NUFC are going to offer isn’t it?
Naturally this will crank up the speculation regarding Cheik Tiote who will now be pencilled in as leaving the club by a section of our fans. It may be the case or it may not and nobody knows for sure, but just because we’ve signed another defensive midfielder (who can also play left-back I’ll add) it doesn’t necessarily mean that our African enforcer is on his way.
If you actually think about it allows our team to be more dynamic in attack if the addition of Vurnon is worked right. You could have Anita and Tiote sitting deep with Cabaye pushed further forward flanked by Benny and who can interchange with Cisse up top throughout the match. Or we could have a midfield trio of Cabaye, Tiote and Anita giving Ba, Cisse and Ben Arfa licence to do some damage in attack.
The possibilities are endless and with the prospect of somewhere near 50 games this season we, to be fair, need all the faces we can get.
So not quite signed and sealed yet, but not too far off…
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after all the speculation this summer of who’s joining, it will be nice to see a major signing come in , whoever it may be,
as were going to need everyone on board for this what is surely going to be a hard season.
i hope this kids not Tiote’s replacement
would still be nice if the club brought in another 2 defenders and at least one striker…..
Would he not be taking Guti’s position from the end of last season? LCDM?
The lad is originally a left back, see him slotting in at LB and Santon moving to RB.
Anita and Tiote in front of the back four also gives Santon and Debuchy (should he sign) more chance to get forward down the flanks.
A quality centre back would make picking a tem rather difficult. That’s to be encouraged.
nice signing if it comes off
…. Pardew obviously has a spot set aside for him…. We can certainly be a lot more attacking with him and Tiote covering the back four but you don’t see two many teams playing with two defensive mids?
The centre of the park had not been too much of an issue last season… The wings were where we lacked forward pressure which in turn allowed opposition teams to flood forward down the wings with out the fear of reprisal.. When Benny played well, you could see that other teams didn’t bomb forward with the same confidence… Be interesting to see where Anita slots in..
Be great if we do finally get another player in. Can’t say I know a great deal about the lad or seen much of him to make a proper assessment but if Carr feels he is good enough that is enough for me.
Another 2 players in and we will have a strong squad.
“Anita is yet to agree terms with Newcastle though although you would have to say that negotiations and a medical are just formalities ahead of the closure of the deal. It’s highly unlikely that his agent will have no idea what NUFC are going to offer isn’t it?”
You would think so, but it never ceases to surprise me how deals get this far, and still manage to break down.
Tea lady banter aside, is he any good and will he suit us? We don’t need another midfielder, but we’re desperate for a quality left back.
I haven’t seen him play and know nothing of his reputation.
Is he any good ?
I note Archiemag on the previous thread made this comment;
Don’t know about anyone else, but when we were first linked with Anita I could take or leave him, now i’d be bloody thrilled to see him at St. James’. (unedited- I leave the edited versions to others
. )
That’s not a great endorsement from Archie tho I don’t know if he knows much about him.
I can’t help myself believing Tiote will be off loaded. It’s the toon policy to buy cheap, sell on at a profit and replace with cheap.
Who knows but that’s my gut feeling.
Is he any good Aussie?
Haven’t seen him play but IMO a more necessary purchase than full back.
We were playing Jonas in CM towards the end of last year, and while he did a decent job, it would be nice to have a player more suited to the role slotted there.
Probably only one of two areas of our first team (full back the other) that could feasibly be improved at the minute.
Surprised we’re doing this before getting in necessary centre back/striker cover.
I agree with the 4-2-3-1 statement, We tried it and it worked a treat with Jonas holding with Tiote and Cabaye getting forward, Anita in the little time ive seen him looks more like Rob lee when bobby dropped him back to the holding role, Picking the ball up off the centre halves and starting off attacks whereas Tiote is more Batty style breaking up play giving it square.
Should be exciting if/when it happens, The express are saying pards is hopeful of getting Debuchy done this week to boot?? I expected Anitas ability to play either fullback role to end the debuchy story maybe not…
@Daverism
You say;
Daverism
33 mins ago
The lad is originally a left back, see him slotting in at LB and Santon moving to RB.
It doesn’t give me much confidence if we are buying an established midfielder who started off as a fullback, to play fullback for us.
Surely there must be a reason he has developed or switched to a midfielder. There must be plenty of better fullbacks to go for if that’s the position Pards is wanting to fill.
What do you think?
@Trumpet
So does that not suggest that it’s a real possibility a midfielder will be offloaded?
However he could be cover for Guthrie. Hope they are thinking that way.
I will welcome any 1st team players but I won’t get my hopes up until he’s got his pic holding his shirt up infront of thr SD signs.
I tend to agree with Aussie in that you don’t see many teams playing with 2 DMF, I dont think the MF is an area we’re weak in so I would rather see a CB or a Striker come in
Daverism from what I can find out he’s a DMF who covered at LB for a season due to 2 injuries that Ajax had but when their LB’s returned Anita returned to his natural position in MF?
“I can’t help myself believing Tiote will be off loaded. It’s the toon policy to buy cheap, sell on at a profit and replace with cheap.
Who knows but that’s my gut feeling.nd Tiote.”
Troy, so far, this has only happened once. With Andy Carroll. And he went for 35mil – which nobody in the world would have turned down. So its a bit early to state what our policy is… You could be right, but I havn’t seen any proof to substantiate that claim.
@Troy
Possibly. Think Tiote has been a bit too injury prone for any club to cough up serious cash for him yet (though Rodwell’s sale seems to suggest otherwise)
I think it would be with a view to first team alongside Tiote. With Jonas competing with Marv for LW and Ba competing with Cisse for Striker.
If anything I think it might suggest that we are definitely only playing one up front and probably not signing another striker.
The whole window has been very confusing. The one, only real necessity at CB hasn’t been filled and should have been prioritised.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Guti playing at left back this season for home games as a wingback and Santon playing on the right as a wing back.
I think Pardew’s intention has always been to play two holding midfielders to allow our wings backs to push up with some protection. Hence the search for a more attacking fullback (Debuchy).
Cabaye would also be allowed to play further up the pitch.
Troy, not sure mate… I’ve done the you tube thing and checked him out like everyone else….
and he looks tidy enough… but for me, he has a few things in his favour… He has a coach that is desperate not to lose him, he has represented his country & Carr thinks he is good enough… Those three things make me think he will be a great addition…
Look, we can criticize our transfer dealing all we want to date but every target seems to be a good player that we are trying to pry from another club… We don’t seem to be taking the easy route of taking players that other clubs are trying to off load… It’s nice to get players through the door but it also nice to know that the players we are getting are not other teams rubbish. I know we won’t get it right 100% of the time but our recent strike rate is very impressive…
Solano,
I’d agree, centre back is a must. The rest would be luxury signings. Because although we could improve in certain positions, we are far from “poor”.
If we did improve in those positions, it would have to be a very very good player coming in.
If we bring in a quality centre back, I’d say our squad is definately in the top seven in the Premiership, with some gap to eighth.
If we brought in say, Mbiwa, Debuchy and Remy for example, I think we could compare with any squad, outside of Chelsea and Man City in the league…
That is what is so frustrating, yet undertandable. That two or three quality signings could leap us into serious top 3 contenders. But it would be a gamble, that if we failed, we’d be right back were we started a few years ago.
No Europe and players on big wages and long contracts.
Strumpet – Not sure I’m with you? We appear to have an abundance of players who are vying for a central midfield slot. Indeed, Guthrie left because he couldn’t hold down a place there. I expect some of the new young midfield prospects to get chances to shine this season.
I don’t expect Tiote or anyone else to leave. However, if he does go, I’m sure we would exact very good money for him, which would be used sooner or later for team strengthening..
JJ I don’t think there is much chance of us being back to where we were with big players on big wages, I don’t think Jabba pays that big of wages.
As for gambling imo its a bigger gamble not getting in a CB that can push for a starting spot, and a striker, because as i’ve said numerous times if the Dembas make the Acon we could fall away with little chance of catching up if we’ve to rely on Strolla to keep us in the race.
@Aussie
I agree that if Carr has recommended him, he has made it known he wants to join us and if he agrees personal terms then i will be happy. It’s whether there’s a sting in the lions tail with this and a player is out the door. Let’s hope not.
@JJ
Pardew and Lambias have been quoted in the past saying they will likely have to off load a big player or two every season to fund rebuilding.
BD
Ye, for some on here, Shola is a hero, personally I think he is one of the worst Premier League players of all time.
He has a couple decent games coming on as a substitute towards the end of the season, but that is it. He was “decent” not great, and if he spends anymore than 20minutes on the pitch, he tends to revert back to useless.
Thats why I said, on the last thread, if Senegal does quality, we are in trouble…
@Troy,
“Pardew and Lambias have been quoted in the past saying they will likely have to off load a big player or two every season to fund rebuilding.”
I believe lately Pardew has been saying, – we are no longer a selling club, but if an offer comes in we cannot refuse from a bigger club, we arn’t in a position to stop it…
I guess time will tell.
AMF @19 – Well said.
The Ajax fans seem very keen not to lose him so that must be a good sign.
I read an article by an Ajax fan a few days ago – I can’t find it now – but he said he was more of a passer than Tiote and was very good at dictating the pace of the game. He was adamant that Ajax played much better with him in the team.
I’m all for seeing what he can do for us.
But it won’t be long to wait to see the clubs ambitions.
Unrest in the camp about lack of transfers. From the Chron.
“It is believed that the likes of Yohan Cabaye and Papiss Cisse were mystified as to why Newcastle have been so far unable to land France international right-back Mathieu Debuchy of Lille, or Holland and Ajax midfielder Anita.”
B&B
Depends on the formation.
In 4-4-2 we have an abundance and Guthrie was 3rd in the pecking order behind Cabaye & Tiote
In 4-2-3-1 Jonas was being played in Defensive mid over Guthrie suggesting that Pardew rates certain players in that position and not others.
Regardless, I think that we need someone that can add more from the middle than Jonas who is purely a work horse in that position.
______________Krul________________
Simpson___Taylor____Colo_____Santon
_________Tiote______Anita__________
_____________Cabaye_____________
Ben Arfa__________________Marvauex
______________Cisse______________
———————Harper——————–
Tavenier—-Willo———Good——Fergie
————–Bigi———-Gosling———–
——————–Abeid———————-
Obertan——————————–Jonas
———————Ba————————
Looking at this, by far our most pressing concern is to get in quality cover at centre back and left back.
Ye Dave, I’d hope that if the Demba’s have to go to ACN that the board will get someone lined up very quickly, either on loan or permanently in the January transfer window. Problem is, then teams could hold us to randsom.
It does look as though they are prepared to gamble though.
B+B I said weeks back that Cabaye would be really pissed of with the club if they didn’t land Debuchy, after his part in talking his mate into pushing for the move and coming out publically saying that he wants ti come here etc, I would say Debuchy would be the same after asking to come here and causing himsel a lot of hassle.
I don’t think either player would have done that without being told by Jabba and Co that they’ll swoop to take him away from lille
@Bradford & Bingley
You say;
I don’t expect Tiote or anyone else to leave. However, if he does go, I’m sure we would exact very good money for him, which would be used sooner or later for team strengthening..
Sooner or later? We are still waiting for the Carroll money to be spent .
JJ @30. I agree completely
@JJ
It’s a tricky one, in principle I would take the gamble as I think it would be more of a gamble to spend big on a replacement first choice striker. Especially if we’re only playing one up front and it would mean one month aside they are 3rd choice.
Problem with the gamble is we could be left with Shola…
I thought it would’ve made sense to keep hold of Best who has shown he can provide a stop gap when we are short up front.
Best was a far better option than Shola, which is why, I suppose there were other teams interested in him. It should also tell you something that no team has ever really a real lasting interest in signing Shola.
JJ I’d imagine raylor and perch would be in ahead fergie and good but clearly defence is still the weak point. Debuchy is probably still the most likely but in the case id worry they wouldn’t get another. If we’re only getting one, someone like peters would be better who could cover both CB and LB. The board tend to take a longer view of these things though and don’t mind waiting 6 months for the next window if needs be
Dub they’re running well behind because it was more than 6mths ago that even Jabba said we needed to get a CB in
Toonsy,
Are you setting up a predictor league for this season
Anita is a very promising player but will take time to adapt to the premier league like every other player.
Ive only seen him play on TV and he does look accomplished on the ball but IMO not a replacement for tiote or cabaye.
It seems unusual that if the reported £6.2m is correct then that is only the money received from forster and best.
Surely there is a pot for a striker, CB, FB??
I dont think FB is priority; we still have simmo, raylor, perch, tab, santon and the like so my guess is a CB next and striker possibly Jan?
I chuffed to bits we have finally managed to agree a fee for one of our transfers. But I don’t see this as a done deal by any means. I can see Anitas wage being a big stumbling block. The good thing is that Pardew could sell sand to the Arabs and players like Cabaye and Cisse have said, having spoke with Pards and seeing his passion they wanted to join. Fingers crossed on this one.
As for the dressing room upset – I fully expect Cabaye to twist about Debuchy as he wants him in for friendship reasons as much as footy reasons.
JJ – I agree, we have this reputation of ‘buy cheap sell big’ but has yet to happen so far like. Even Carroll doesnt fit that bill, as we didn’t buy him cheap!. I know the club have in the past said that would be our strategy but it hasn’t happened yet. Also Pardew has said we can get 2-3 players without selling anyone.
That said, I still fear that if the right offer comes in we’ll sell and Tiote is my biggest concern.
Should we get Anita, I’d like to see a CB and CF make up our 3 summer signings. I dont see RB needing desperately addressing, I think we have enough cover there to see us til Jan at least.
There is an awful lot of quoting each other going on today I see.
‘There is an awful lot of quoting each other going on today I see.’
I hadn’t noticed.
Bris –
In defence of Cabaye – I can’t really understand why we seem so reluctant to meet the Debuchy valuation, when we would pay €8m for Anita?!
Last week Ryder was saying that we agreed a deal with lille and debuchy but the goalposts were moved at the last minute. Now its ashleys fault for not stumping the money up again.
sort it out man people will start thinking you actually know shit and you make it up as you go along…
I’d have loved to get Pieters, Anita and Remy…
All are quality players and all can cover two positions.
I see a lot of people saying they don’t understand why pay that much for Anita but not debuchy. Could it not just be that we value them differently. Debuchy is older and likely close to his peak. We can’t hold onto him for as long or have as Hugh resale value. Maybe they think Anita ha a higher ceiling too. Midfielders generally cost more than defenders and there’s allegations of foul play in the debuchy negotiations. Also Newcastle set their value before the euros and on their third ugh scouting, not on his newly improved reputation which Lille will try to capitalise on if they have to sell
Ok, a bit late into this discussion, but here goes…
I think the Anita thing looks like a masterstroke. Our main cover for Tiote was Guthrie, who’s sadly gone elsewhere. But that was partly because that ‘cover’ requirement wasn’t often enough to keep a high-level player interested.
At the same time, we need move LB cover; possibly to allow Santon over to the RB slot.
What better, when you’re operating to a budge, than to find a young, international-level DM who started at LB and can fulfil both needs?
Brilliant. IF it comes off. He’s only leaving Ajax because they won’t pay him enough, after all…
brisvegas @43
Re; Cabaye being upset as told by the Chron…. what a load of bollocks… Cabaye didn’t seem to torn about leaving his bff at Lille to come to us.. These guys are proffesionals and the story is laughable.. As per normal, we embrace any negative press and dismiss the positive..
If what BB@28 says is true ,this just backs up what Dave myself and others were saying last week. And it’s not just Cabaye either who obviously wanted his mate in but Cisse making noises apparently.Truth is if they are questioning a lack of signings now how bad will the unrest get next season should we fail to qualify for Euro footie.
I predict now that we will lose 2 or 3 top names if euro footie is not on the agenda next season ,can’t see Cabaye ,Cisse or if he comes Anita staying without it.Actually if we don’t sign Debuchy I think Cabs is off come January tbh.
JJ@36 Re Shola ,just because we havn’t heard of any interest doesn’t mean there hasn’t been enquiries about him.
Aussie @50 I just put my tin hat on ready for you to pounce on my comment@51
Kim, Cabaye & Cisse both signed when were not in Europe so I can’t see why they will leave if we are not there next year… and if we don’t make It, surely they should be shouldering some of the blame… For what I can gather, every single footballer wants to play Cl football but there a limited spots available.. Some players will have to slum it in mid table teams
Kim
you know me too well… 
classic 
– glass is half full! !
Big Dave @ 32 – Good call on that one. It is understandable. Looks like we’re going to lead Debuchy up the garden path as we did with Maiga. We don’t want to be getting a reputation for that sort of thing.
Troy – Most, if not all, of the £35 million has already been spent and we’re a better team for it.
KINTOON its just natural. i doubt cabaye will leave during season though
AMF your point on cabaye is inavlid. he left lille as he wanted to do better as he is a pro.
if we dont match up to his expectations in terms of ambition shown in transfer market its only natural that he will ask questions.
he wants his mate here not just becos its his ‘mate’ but because he thinks hes a damn good player who will fit in at the toon.
he left lille who were in the champions league remember. hes not come here for shits and giggles.
AMF see your were still getting stick last night over the games while you were sleeping,never mind its over now,ime just hopeing they find their way home,seems they couldnt find their way here.
looks like we could struggle to put a decent team out for sat
Why are we in the wrong with Debuchy?? Lille could be acting like arseholes and screwing us around.. Have a look at who Debuchy is pissed off at and that will give you an idea as to who the arseholes are.. I seem to recall that a few on here thought Jonas was going as well after Jose fecked off!! What happened with that
Pardew said: “People’s valuation and prices need a reality check and look at where the world is.” Strange, he doesn’t say that when he’s selling.
JJ – If we’re going to make a statement of intent about success this season, it should be that Mike Williamson will be kept well clear of the first team.
Disagree with you Doit…… A player should just concentrate on what he is well paid to do… if he is worrying about who we are signing then he should pull his head and focus on the job at hand.. the story is BS anyway..
Ice
, what’s this olympics thing you are talking about mate.. heard nowt about it??
AMF that would be nice but we are in the real world, players only have one career. and they want to make best of it.
even rooney handed in transfer request last season
rvp this year at arsenal, and many many more,
great players want to achieve and not just get paid like you say, they can get paid at any club. and you have better chance of achieving with better players.
ps – the buying club will always be the bad guy in transfers. football 101. its not rocket science, if buying club want player buying club pay club what club wants.
if selling club say, actually, we now want this amount, then buying club if still want pay selling club what they want
you see my point AMF
in this instance selling club holds all the cards and cannot be in wrong
AMF dont worry about it mate none of the aussies knew about it so your not alone
FURTHERMORE – if newcastle acted how lille are acting say over TIOTE we would all be applauding the board
if TIOTE made as many quotes as debuchy has in the press to engineer a move we would all be apaplectic
so many double standards here its untrue
Doit – Rooney was going nowhere, he bluffed Man U into a golden pay packet.. RVP has had one cracking season and now he is making demands on his club and questioning its ambition. He is simply a greedy twat that knows he can cash in on last seasons success.
Why you would pick those two to prove a point is beyond me..
Why is the buying club the bad guys? Bad guys in the eyes of the fans of they player they are poaching, sure.. but in it’s own fans eyes, I think not.. study up on that rocket science 101 mate
Do you see my point Do it… ?
Doit… furthermore – but would the fans of the club trying to poach Tiote think that their club was in the wrong?? Double standards?? You have missed the point mate.. never mind..
Ice
you said
Lille could be acting like arseholes and screwing us around.. Have a look at who Debuchy is pissed off at and that will give you an idea as to who the arseholes are..
OF COURSE HE IS PISSED OF AT LILLE – THEY ARENT SELLING HIM AND HE WANTS TO LEAVE!!!!
my point is they have him under contract so they can do as they please, aka they are not the arseholes in this.
dont get me wrong, clubs like Real Madrid and barca been doing this for years. look at modric now and mascherano, ronaldo, ronaldo, etc before. terms are agreed before transfers even. however, lille can act as pissy as they want, its up to us to change that if we really want him
dont get ya other point, you seem to dismiss fact that good players want good players around them, and when no one comes in they should just as you say ” pull his head and focus on the job at hand.. ”
thats bollox and u know it is
JJ – I’d have definately taken those 3 at the start of the window like, and as you say, good versatility in all 3.
AMF – I agree that these players are pros, but they are also human. Remember back when you were a kid and how good it was playing in the same team as ya best mate. I don’t doubt he’ll get over it but by the same token, it’s not unrealistic to think that having been so close to signing Debuchy – that he won’t be feeling alittle disappointed is it?!
Enrique left us over our lack of ambition as I remember . Didn’t he say we’d never make top 6 again or something ,I’m sure one or two have mentioned that .
ay KIMTOON, dont get me wrong. im not even worried if cabaye does leave as im sure we can replace him. no one player is bigger than the club
my point is that players do ascertain progress on signings coming into the club
and to think that they dont is naive
So if terms were agreed and they (Lille) have moved the goal posts, they are not being arseholes.. oh that’s right, it is only the buying clubs that have that reserve that honour..my bad, rocket science 101…
So a player after joining a club, knowing its history in the market place quite well can then turn around after a year and start cracking the shits if we don’t get top players in.. your having a laugh if you think that acceptable
Sharpy
when I was a kid yes… now would be a different story mate..
I agree completely with Aussie, it’s one thing denying a player leaving because they view him as part of their plans. But Lille have just constantly dangled a carrot in front of us for a month, changing their goal posts and generally acting like twats.
Also completely sick of people taking everything negative in the papers as gospel, fucking pathetic. Why do you even bother listening to the crap the tabloids spit out in this country. The whole lot of them are a fucking disgrace.
What the fuck to the Chron know about Cabaye and Cisse’s feelings on transfer dealings? It’s all utter bollocks but now because it gets mentioned on here it’s suddenly the truth and it’s all anyone will talk about on here.
Mountains out of mole hills…never fucking happy are you.
Aussie @71 Thing is we are not privvy to what they were promised in order to get them to sign on the dotted line. For all we know they may of been told we are really ambitious and our aim is CL spot and we are gonna strengthen as we progress etc .Thing is Pards came out and said we are ahead of schedule at the end of the season ,which backs up this 5 year plan thing that has been mentioned. If they been selling that to Cabs ,Cisse et al and they see us stagnating and not building then they will become restless I would imagine. Just a thought like.
Aussie – then I’m pleased ya not my best mate
Aussie how do we know we agreeda fee for Debuchy ?
Agree with Evil!!
Mainly because Lille said he could go once they found a replacement… why say that if no fee had been agreed.. I believe we had agreed terms before the euros – original low amount – and lille have cranked up the price and made us look like cheapskates (partly true
) in the press by revealing the amount.. could be wrong tho.. 
when was a fee agreed with lille??
Sharpy
evil even if i agreed with you could nevr say ‘agree with evil!!’
AMF/EvilFranky- spot on, the two of ya
Pardew stated that they had a deal that they were looking to tie up before the euros and that they were a head of the game (or words to that effect) as I stated regarding the second part of my statement, I could be wrong tho…
as far as im aware no fee has ever been agreed with lille. football 101 aussie if a fee is agreed we can speak to the player re: terms
which leads me to believe no fee has ever been agreed
AMF – Almost every ambitious player at whatever age wants to play for the best team they can possible play for. They get peed off at the end of the season when they see their club losing good players and they’re delighted when their clubs signs good ones. I’ve had it this year with my 13 year old son and his team.
Evil – “Also completely sick of people taking everything negative in the papers as gospel, fucking pathetic. Why do you even bother listening to the crap the tabloids spit out in this country. The whole lot of them are a fucking disgrace.
What the fuck to the Chron know about Cabaye and Cisse’s feelings on transfer dealings? It’s all utter bollocks but now because it gets mentioned on here it’s suddenly the truth and it’s all anyone will talk about on here.
Mountains out of mole hills…never fucking happy are you.”
Chill man! Where and when did you first hear about NUFC’s interest in Debuchy or Anita? As far as I’m aware the journo’s broke it weeks ago. Why shouldn’t the Chron know about players’ feelings? I’m often surprised at how frank players can be with mild acquaintances, including myself, so it wouldn’t be difficult for a journalist to get the low down.
Well, for all the debate over whether Anita has been brought in as a LB or DM, I personally think he’s been brought in as both.
Sure, he can’t play in both positions as once, but he fits the bill perfectly with regards to our current squad dynamics and player versatility.
Good cover for either position, although I can see him playing primarily at LB, covering for the DM position. LB being a position we’re light on.
Feck naas anyway.
We will never know…….
I’d like to think we might get a clue a couple of games into the new season, Oswaldo.
CANNIT WAIT TILL SPURS GAME!!
wish i could go
all i will say is this time last season i was despondent and would be happy just to survive
now im hopeful
devenaa whats worse now i think about it
I just skimmed through most of the comments on here, and when looking at what people consider our back up players, they seem to be completely forgetting about Perchinho!
I’m not being sarcastic here. He did really well whenever he came in for Tiote, or Simpson, or whoever. The lad obviously isn’t going to be pushing for a 1st team place at all, but he is a very good squad player for us. Does his job, breaks up play, and gives his all.
Defensive midfield now seems completely covered.
B&B, not sure it is always ambition, how many players do you know of that would take a pay cut to move to a bigger club? I know that scenario would not arise but I think a move to a big club is also linked very close to a move to bigger money.. The grass is always greener comes to mind… it’s human nature to wish for more than we have… a good manager would not let his playing group concern themselves with transfers…
Ms Rod, that ‘we will never know’ comment was not meant for you mate..
For the record, I would miss Sharpy if he moved to another blog and I would demand that Toonsy made some new signings to replace him
…yeah I know
*@92
You talking to me?
I’m not so sure that he is a LB like some are saying, I think he CAN PLAY LB or RB, which is different from saying we have signed a new LB. From what I saw of the game yesterday (I havn’t seen very much of him at all) he is like a little space filler that moves around the defense/midfield positions and makes himself available for the ball by moving into the nearest space. He then has reasonably good control and passing. I didn’t see him make many challenges on players and he had a different style to Tiote, he could not replace Tiote. Of course he could just be keeping himself injury free and playing at 75%.
Some people just love a bit of doom and gloom dont they!
If happens good signing and hopefully the first of a few so we can look to maintain last years good season.
Lets be honest arsenal have strengthened, chelsea have, man city and man u will undoubtably so to finish 5th is a tall order again so we need to add 3 first teamers to just stand still let alone push on
DJG, I know bugger all about him apart from what I’ve read on wiki-wiki-wild-wild-west-ipedia. I agree with you about him having ‘the ability’ to play at LB, but my reasoning for him slotting in there is we (look to be) paying 6.5m for him or whatever, and I don’t think we’d pay that for a sub.
I’m not sure we’d play two defensive midfielders, unless we’re playing 433 with Cabaye in the middle, and we appear to be more in need of a LB.
That all said, I think the MAIN reason we’re (potentially about to be) buying him is because he can slot into to either position when needed. Another utitlity player in other words.
We’re gona be needing Tiote cover at some point., with our Europa games and the ACoN. I reckon he’ll be playing in both positions for us throughout the season, but wouldn’t be surprised to see more of him at LB. Like I say, he’s a useful player for switching formations in midfield too. Good all-rounder.
(that’s if he’s any good, as I ain’t even seen him play)
Anita, from what I saw, is less of a tackler and more of harrier. He follows play around in a smart way and ensures spaces are closed off. He intercepts a lot and then finds a teammate quickly and efficiently. I like him a lot.
Versatility is key here. It has been shown in the past, Pardew likes having players he can play in different positions. (From reports) Anita can play full back or midfield making it an even more tempting deal.
Lets face it we will get injuries and we know we don’t have like for like in some positions but what we do have and continue to have is versatile players who can slot in and do a job.
This is why I’m going to stick my neck on the line and say a top 6 finish is definitely a possibility (but don’t all attack at once).
In addition to playing to DMs in a 4-3-3, is it possible that we could play some sort of 4-2-2-2, with Anita and Tiote in front of the back 4, some combination of Cabaye, Benny and Marveaux in front of them in a narrow midfield, with the fullbacks given free reign to push up and provide crosses? If this signing comes off, it would appear to give us some good flexibility. For example, against a team with a strong RW, Anita could go to LB, with Cabaye and Tiote in the middle and Jonas/Marveaux/Benny/Obertan/Raylor on the wings.
Does seem strange we aren’t quite willing to bid that little extra to land debuchy, all I can think is that Carr just doesn’t rate him high enough otherwise the board would have been told.
It’s telling that Milan were interested, but also don’t seem willing to pay what Lille what, similarly Chelski who have spunked money all over the world and still actually need a real right back haven’t gone in for him…
Agree with Belter and Charlie. A good addition for squad versatility. I can see most of our future signings being as such.
…plus it’s obvious Fatty loves players like this, as they’re essentially ’2 for the price of 1′ deals.
Also I’m a little skeptical about how Cisse would be angry at a lack of signings….this guy came from one of the poorest teams in the bundesliga and has had half a season here, with no European experience.
Doesn’t really sound true to me…
Very happy if we get him through the door without selling anyone obviously-Biggy has shown potential but he is very young, now with Tiote and Anita to learn from/play alongside I really have high hopes for the lad.
As for Anita-imo he is a midfielder at heart, from the little i’ve seen of him on TV he’d be a lot more suited to DM rather than full back. People can say we have too many (well, we probably do
) but he’s a very different player to Guthrie, and really Guthrie wasn’t cut out for DM, he had a decent engine but always seemed to tire towards the end, plus a lack of pace and unspectacular tackling generally meant if he was far back he’d get a yellow and wouldn’t be too reliable, hence why Jonas’ pace, work rate and hassling was favoured over him.
Anita is a proper DM and will allow Jonas to play somewhere else on the pitch…or indeed provide much needed competition. Perch did his job well, but Anita offers a lot more creativity.
Liam @98 Agree that’s what a lot of us are saying ,it’s not doom and gloom just can’t understand the lack of a CB and forward .
Newkie@103 I have to admit those thoughts had crossed my mind re Milan and Chelsea
It is odd isn’t it.
newkie@103, thats what i was saying on an earlier blog
Anita must be plan “A” and Debuchy plan “B” 
A CB is still a must. At fullback, however, we’re in a better position than the beginning of last year, which would lead me to believe that at that particular position, Ashley is more than happy to wait for the right deal, a la Cisse. Depending on the opposition, which competition we’re in and the usual injuries/suspensions, we could see Simpson, Santon, Jonas, Raylor, Perch, Anita, Tavernier and Ferguson all get time at one of the two fullback spots. I’d still like to see a “first-teamer” through the door, but the numbers are already there, at least in Ashley’s eyes.
Kim – to be honest a CM was also fairly high priority as last season we played guti in a three with tiote and cabaye and he was out of position but it does beg the question of abeid, bigi, etc where there role is possibly still viewed as longer term.
Or ashley knows tiote and cabaye may only last one more season before moving on to bigger things
Kimtoon + Toonsoldier…exactly.
I mean, some people think we actually got ripped off by paying 500k for Simmo, and some think Deb is definitely worth 7mil or so. Personally I don’t think there’s that much difference, sure Deb probably is better, certainly going forward, but at 6.5mil or whatever more? I’m not so sure.
Especially if we could just pick him up next year for free for example, or cut price in Jan….I can see the reasoning..
Newkie says:
August 13, 2012 at 15:09
Does seem strange we aren’t quite willing to bid that little extra to land debuchy, all I can think is that Carr just doesn’t rate him high enough otherwise the board would have been told.
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That could be the reason. Also, he is 27 years old and RB isn’t exactly a positon of need (Simmo, Tavs, Raylor, Perch, Santon, etc….). As Pards has said before, they put a valuation on a player and then stay disciplined to not exceed it. I can’t really argue with that…
Newkie what makes you think we got pick him up next yr for nowt or cheap in Jan ? I can’t see the reasoning in that
MDS-Aye, forgot he was that old
keep thinking he’s only 25 or so. Presumably they don’t think he’s worth the cash, particularly if Tav continues to improve as he has done. Would still have liked a good and experienced full back to replace simmo that would allow Santon/Tav to continue to develop, but if there’s not a suitable one around…
Get us a bloody CB!
Aussie –
I am baffled and touched by your last comment, have no idea when it came from and am fairly confident you’re taking the piss, but thanks all the same 
I think we have a deal sorted for Douglas to be honest, I have nothing to support that it’s just a hunch I have. After that I don’t know whether they will look to get the Debuchy deal done or whether we will get a forward player in.
I wouldn’t mind either way really coz I think we could wait til Jan for either.
I’d prefer a forward though if I’m honest and I think that would give Tav more of a chance to prove himself.
Dave-Well, Debuchy seems certain he wants to leave at whatever the cost, at the moment we seem to be his number one although obviously that could easily change.
Unsettled players rarely perform to their max, and if you ask me the Lille presidents antics were aimed at getting more money, well if Ashley calls his bluff and doesn’t buy him, Lille could have an unhappy player under performing (Enrique) and may just want to sell him-in Jan-or they may fail to do so and his contract will be up? Or does he have 2 years+ left?
Agree Newkie. Give me a CB yet (not even a starter necessarily, but somone who is young and a step up from Willo).
FWIW, this was Debuchy yesterday:
http://www.soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1132835/newcastle-target-mathieu-debuchy-reiterates-desire-to-leave-lille?cc=5901
He is still unsettled…
MDS-Aye, for me it probably is the place where we can improve the first team the most, realistically, by bringing in a new cb. But, if there’s a youngster that could eventually take over for Colo, well, I’d take that
Link doesn’t work for me, but yeah he still seems pissed by all accounts.
Newkie I think he has between 2-3 yrs left, I honestly don’t think he would want to come here after this window, because he has put his neck on the line with coming out to voice his wishes to come to us, and I really can’t see that happening unless he was told that we would take him and was pretty sure that would happen.
So if we don’t take him now he could feel thst we don’t value him as highly as he thought.
Aussie from earlier re the fee being agreed with lille I really can’t believe that lille ir most other decent clubs would agree a fee then back out of it and try to up the price, I really can’t see that happening.
“I don’t want to talk about my future,” Debuchy told Canal+. “I heard what the chairman said. The transfer window is open until September 4 (in France). I still want to go. We will see.”
Debuchys contract runs to 2015 lads.
@B&B
You say;
Troy – Most, if not all, of the (Carroll) £35 million has already been spent and we’re a better team for it.
Wow!
Could you really explain to me how we have spent £35m or most of it since January 2011 and I would expect you to include all sales out and in from that time.
This will be interesting.
@Troy Stavers
You could indeed be right mate, I seen him play a year or so back at LB and he was very decent. Im sure LB is his preferred position too.
My logic on saying he’ll play at LB is;
Tiote won’t be dropped, and Bigi / Abeid are his cover.
Were short on fullbacks and i suspect Anita signing spells the end of Simpson
with Santon popping to RB
Graham Carr said he’d been watching most of his players for a number of years, it was a few years ago when i became aware of Anita and he was LB then.
obviously all just assumptions but that’s what i reckon.
Dave-Yeah think I got mixed up with the Anita contract there so you’re probably right.
As far as Debuchy goes, sure he’s said he wants to come here and undoubtedly he’d had encouragement from Cabaye and the like, but he’s also made it clear he wants to go, full stop. His anger from everything I’ve read stems from Lille changing their mind about him and saying he could leave and then changing their mind, not at Newcastle for “tapping him up” and then not going in for him
As for value, didn’t he voice anger that Lille had over valued him in their asking price?…So I’m not sure why he’d be too angry with us.
Richie
Looks like you have been less than careful with them matches. Bushfires near Alicante
@Daverism
I have no idea on his ability and I can’t argue against what you say and accept your views.
I might disagree when I watch him tho
@Troy Stavers
And its very possible that i know bot all about football and he turns out to be pap.
i doubt it though
Dave, it is a bit strange Debuchy kicking up such a shit storm to come specifically to us, then us seemingly pulling out. He’s made himself look a tit if nothing else. I’d say the deal is still on, personally. I don’t believe anything club Chairmen/agents say. It’s all psychological bullshit, and a major part of the negotiation stage. More so when you’re dealing with a notoriously awkward buyer, such as NUFC.
At least we don’t support Everton anyway. Just been speaking to my Evertonian mate. My, they’re a patient bunch.
They’ll be lucky to see 5m of the 12m they get for Rodwell.
Confirmed that we couldn’t move the euro tie. Thursday in greece then chelsea on saturday
@Rodz
Everton have won plenty in the period we’ve won nowt. They aren’t as patient as us.
Rodz-To be fair, they do have Jelavic and Pienar back, they’re a decent side. Plus, Moyes has quite often spent a lot on shit players soo..They all seem to be happy Rodwell has gone as well which surprises me, maybe its just that post sale “Oh he was shit anyway” syndrome that people get after they sell someone..
Daverism I am 99% sure Anita is a DMF that because of injury played near a whole season as a stand in LB, but as soon as their LB were back Anita returned to his preferred natural MF role, also one of the guys that live there said the same
IMO we have enough MF’s that can cover at LB or even RB so why not try to get a guy that naturally plays in the position that we want them to play in, ie we get a CB in that can fight for a CB place in the starting 11, then we could get a decent Striker in that could cover for the Demba’s if/when they go to ACON and cover for any injuries, because Strolla can just about last for 20 mins and he isn’t exactly that reliable to score or to stay onside, so we could make that a priority for the striker he has to be able to play a full game, beat the offside trap atleast 2 out of 10 times and needs to know how to score against other teams apart from the Mackems because we only play them twice a yr
Rodz you know you can have faith in me
It’s a bit of a futile debate re Debuchy as I doubt we will ever really find out.
My thought is that the lad finds himself sandwiched between ackward sellers and ackward buyers, and it may be they are so equally stubborn that neither give enough ground for a deal to be done. It would be a great shame to loose him to another club coz I don’t see him staying at Lille.
How happy would we be if we signed Debuchy and a CB, but no centre forward?
Vurnon played what could be his last game for Ajax yesterday in the 2-2 draw against AZ Alkmaar and it seems the wages he asked for at Newcastle were above the ceiling at Newcastle, and Anita had this to say to De Telegraaf today:
“The wage I had in mind was above the new salary ceiling.”
It is expected that Vurnon will sign a five year deal at Newcastle, and as reported yesterday, the Tyneside club will review his wages after six months, and if he’s been a revelation on Tyneside, the club could give him more money, but he will have to earn it wearing those famous black and white stripes.
Just for all those who state we don’t have a wage cap.
Of course we do. Every club does.
Troy @ 123: It is not possible to tell how much of the £35M has gone! If this hasn’t been the subject of an article, it should be. However, we’ve bought some quality in the likes of Ben Arfa, Cisse, Cabaye, Ba, Santon, Marveaux. We also bought Obertan for over £3M.
You have to consider the whole package including wages these days; its not like it used to be when you just looked at the transfer fees. If you just looked at the transfer fees, Mikey is up to the tune of about £20M I’d guess, but I’m no Statto.
As well as the wages for top incoming players, you have to consider the capitalised values of the new and improved contracts to existing players like Tiote, Taylor, Colo. How much would that be? I’d bet you, billionaire or not, wouldn’t like to have to commit yourself to those weekly increases for five years or so.
Over to you Troy. Let’s see the back of your fag packet.
Troy@136-
If Anita wants more money than we’re paying Cisse, Ba, Coloccini or some of our other top players, he’s asking for too much, in my opinion.
Troy – Every club has a wage cap?
@B&B
You stated that most if not all of Carrolls £35m had been spent.
Since he was sold we have also sold Enrique and Nolan and offloaded their big wages as well as Joey Barton’s and alan smiths.
We’ve also made £3m on sales this window and without researching it, many more undercard players have been released.
If memory serves me right, Barfa was purchased the window prior to Carrolls release.
So tell me whether those purchases are Enriques or Nolans cash or Carrolls?
Over to you
Every club has a wage cap. Yes.
Man City will have a ridiculous one but they will have a limit.
To suggest a club doesn’t have a cap is ludicrous.
Sharpy-I’d be ecstatic if we signed a full back and CB now, even without a striker, assuming we don’t lose anyone….
Charlie P – I agree. If that were the case, I’d tell him to f*** off, and if any of the players were not happy that he wasn’t coming, I’d tell them they can do one as well, although I can’t imagine they’d be happy about him strolling in and getting top whack.
Troy@132, fair point that they win stuff and we don’t, but I was on about patience regarding the amount they spend, and they’re always selling on their best players. If NUFC acted like they did there’d be hell on. I was just comparing us with them, on a ‘shitty-end-of-the-stick’ level.
Newkie, my mate ain’t happy they sold Rodwell, but he’s used to it and takes it for granted they just sell good players to balance the books. For a team of their stature they scrimp a lot more than you’d expect.
Troy, what is our wage cap?
“The wage I had in mind was above the new salary ceiling.”
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That quote was from about a week ago and referred to this latest Ajax contratct offer. I think a journo mis-used it and now every one is claiming he said it about newcaslte.
Newkie says:
August 13, 2012 at 18:03
Troy, what is our wage cap?
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25K
@Newkie
I don’t know what our wage cape is. If we could ask Anita (as quoted above) he may enlighten us.
Clearly lower than he thought.
Re:136, I like the idea that a player has to prove their worth to the club, sort of performance related pay kind of deal; and not just turn up on match days for a bin liner full of cash. It sifts out the mercenaries.
@MDS
I would imagine with the current financial situation it will be more than that.
My guess is IRO £50k -£55k per week.
If you want to drag up an estimate of a couple of years back then £25-£30k would have been close to it IMO
Mds
Yeah I thought that releated to Ajax as well tbh.
Find it astounding that he’d be wanting presumably something in the region of 80k or so…
Newkie – as long as we get a CB I dont mind whether he’s accompanied by a RB or CF.
Troy – I’d say any well ran football club will have a wage cap. I think the likes of City and PSG won’t as paying huge wages is the only way for them to compete with successful clubs in getting top players in.
We certainly have one!
@B&B
You searching for your postage stamp?
If his wage demands are higher than those of Cabaye/Tiote etc then he’s not worth pursuing.
Whatever wage cap we have in place is serving us well so far and shouldn’t budge for the time being. When we consider ourselves genuine Champions League contenders perhaps but not on the back of one Europa league qualification.
Ajax are believed to have offered the 23-year-old a counter-proposal with a contract until 2016 or 2017 in an effort to keep him in Amsterdam.
“But the wage I had in mind was above the new salary ceiling,” the player explained.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/12691/7986869/Anita-poised-for-Toon-switch
Troy – Barfa’s purchase was close to Carroll’s sale; Mikey might say that some of the money repaid his outlay on Barfa. It might be that the transfer fees we have “received” are still owing to us, whereas Mikey likes to pay up front.
Anyway, you give me your figures including lucrative contracts to the star players who got us to fifth. I expect to see the figures for the likes of the academy spends, and Graham Carr’s new contract of course.
The big thing for me is that I can sleep happily at night in the knowledge that the club is on a sound financial footing, instead of mortgaged to the hilt like Man U or a whisker from being out of business like Portsmouth last week. That sort of assurance is worth its weight in gold. Its always nice to have a little bit safely tucked away for a rainy day.
Troy Stavers
August 13, 2012 at 18:02
Every club has a wage cap. Yes.
Man City will have a ridiculous one but they will have a limit.
To suggest a club doesn’t have a cap is ludicrous.
Here we go. Typical Troyism.
As you know, Man City’s limit, like certain other club’s, fluctuates according to the player in question. They spend what they need to spend to get the player they want. They don’t tell their players we have a wage cap here and we can’t pay you any more than that.
It is ludicrous to say that every club has a wage cap because having a limit for a particular player on a particular day means you have a wage cap.
Their wage cap is so high as to render it meaningless in all but the most extreme situation. Do you really have nothing better to do than nitpick each others every word?
In case anyone hadn’t heard:
“Newcastle’s request to switch their forthcoming Europa League ties has been rejected by UEFA and therefore the games will be played in the order they were drawn.”
Cunts.
Jon R – I don’t need a nit pick when Troy delivers a skip load of shite, as he often does. I need a bloody shovel.
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Not surprised about the Uefa decision, they were never going to change it for us were they
I’d like to think it’s not so much of a wage cap we have, but more of a salary structure I.E. Joe Bloggs can’t just waltz in from Mercenary United and claim 60k a week before he’s kicked a ball for us, and overtake the salaries of long-term and proven first team players who’ve earned what they’re on through loyalty and performances.
Looks like we’ll be sending our reserves to Greece….
MDS @ 163. Can’t do that. They’re off to Ibrox.
We’ll have 3 more players in by then anyway, nee wurries.
The interview this wages malarky Re Anita is based on has been badly translated from Dutch . The interview was with Anitas father who stated that the contract and wages offered by AJAX wern’t enough NOT Newcastle. He goes on to state that no contact has been made by Newcastle to bring Anita over to us as yet so expects to remain in Holland for next day or two at least.They are waiting for contact from Pards whom they wish to speak to to recieve certain assurances regarding what position he would be played in etc. He comfirms that an offer has been accepted by Ajax for him from us.
@ B &B
Your original statement;
We have spent if not all, most of the (Carroll) £35m.
I laughed out loud like a hyena on helium at your statement and asked you to account for it.
You came back with a few names inc Barfa
, Cisse, Ba etc
I questioned you why they were not buys from Enrique, Nolan, wages from Barton, Smith.
I would like to clarify Barfa was bought in the summer window prior to Carroll leaving on January 31.
Since January 2011 when Carroll was sold, I estimate with sales of Enrique, Nolan, Guthrie, Best & several fringe players we have received in transfers alone £55m.
I estimate with buys we have spent £30m
If you want to go into wage offsets, well I suggest you don’t pursue that as Barton, Enrique, Nolan, Smith were all on top wages and Carroll had just signed a 5 yr deal.
So go ahead, justify your original statement.
We have spent most, if not all Carrolls £35m.
Hold on, just having another sniff of helium.
…I think speaking to my Evertonian mate earlier has painted a rosier picture for me, regarding our transfers. I still think we’ll bring in more players. I honestly don’t think Fatty is stupid enough to throw away what we’ve gained since promotion. I’m patient for now as we have been doing decent business (if Anita Harris eventually tap dances his way onto the training ground). I’m happy with what I’ve seen of Alfie Tanner and Bigi Smalls, Marveaux and Saylor are back, and I’m hoping Curtis is as Good as his surname.
Still PLLLLLLLLLLLENTY of time to do more business, so I’m optimistic.
That could all change, of course. I’m just glad we finally seem to be spending some dosh, with Anita on the horizon.
Sorry, I meant to say we’ve spent IRO £25m on players transfers not £30m.
We must be in profit of about £30m since January 2011.
Troy
“I would like to clarify Barfa was bought in the summer window prior to Carroll leaving on January 31.”
Well, that’s wrong. He was loaned in the summer, and bought officially during the same window in which Carroll was sold.
…must admit, I keep out of the 35m debate – as much as I don’t really know where the fuck it went either
Only £20 to £25M to account for then. Sounds a lot but that could quite easily be eaten up in lucrative five year contracts to quality incoming players and contract improvements to existing players. I think you underestimate the financial commitment that long term contracts involve. How would you like to be the one with burnt fingers after the Smith and Xisco deals? That’s before the likes of Ranger, who’s neither use nor ornament. Besides, when I said it, I knew I would reel you in like a catfish.
Troy – Save some of that helium to justify your ludicrous wage cap comment. I notice you’re keeping low on that one.
@B&B
Yikes!
You really are going to leave it at that?
Only £20m – £25m to account for then.
I actually estimate it, as stated above, closer to £25m -£30m.
Wow! You best off sticking to the pub Bradford & Bingley, at least you can lose your paper with scribbles on.
So you aren’t going to explain then.
B+B on the contracts of the players ie wages etc we were talking the other night do you not think gate receipts, season tickets, merchandising, etc etc would pay the wages etc
…must admit, I can’t get my head around the elusive 20-25m being tied up in players’ wages for the next 5 years or whatever. I thought the club was supposed to be running within its means? I.E. wages coming out of club’s annual turnover.
Been off line for a few days with a gooshed lap top, so maybe the subject has been broached…. Regarding Cabaye and Ben Arfa, is Pardew laying down the law with them, or are they genuinely injured and off the pace ? Remember AP had a run-in with Tevez a few years ago at West Spam…??
I find it bizarre that French players who actually went out of the euros early on are still not up to speed for the start of the new EPL season.
summat wrong somewhere..
@B&B
I will gladly move onto wage caps once you explain where the Carroll money was spent. One thing at a time.
Another sniff.
…read my mind Dave.
I think a certain proportion of all transfer income, and probably all income, will be used to reduce the clubs debt.
I’m sure Arsenal and Everton fans call tell us all about how transfer fees in doesn’t equal money for transfer purchases. Plenty of other expenses to account for, especially for a club still footing a european wage bill.
Troy; Prior to this window Nufc had a nett profit of £44m in transfer dealings over the last 5 years.
B&B, In your response to where the money went , you forgot to include agents fees and signing on fees and ‘golden goodbye’ payments for players like Nolan who had not demanded a transfer (unlike Carroll).
I’m away out now but I thought I’d add some fuel to your arguments before I went.
@Rodz
You don’t get it cos it’s bullshit.
We have a huge tv deal and other revenues not to mention the 3rd largest attendances.
B&B knows it. He just dug a hole and can’t get out.
MM, Cabaye has realised we ain’t getting Debuchy and is negotiating a deal back to Lille as the two can’t bear being apart much longer. He’s taking Barfa with him. You heard it here first.
MM they were supposed to have an extra 2 weeks of but then got more time on top of that
but I think they should have been in with enough time to get them up to a proper fitness level ready for the bread and butter of their Job 
Rod @ 178 spot on and if that doesn’t cover then they could rip down all them cheap tacky sports direct signs and let someone pay for the privilege of advertising
Troy – It was over to you to explain why you thought we still had the Carroll money. However, you’ve continued to completely ignore the contracts issue in your calculation. Even Pards was saying today that agents need to get to grips with the changed reality of valuations/wages. (My intepretation before you jump on it.) So I have explained it, but you’ve ignored it in your figures. Typical Troy body swerve.
I have simply been saying we may well have spent most if not all of it on contracts – we are even spending a fair whack on a decent reserve set up and scouting system. How much do you reckon that’ll be costing? What don’t you get about that? If you dispute it, you tell me your figures of the outlay taking into account contracts.
MM @ 179,said the same mesel a while ago,sumit not reet lets wait until week-end and see what kind of team we put out and on the bench
http://swissramble.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/newcastle-united-life-in-northern-town.html
In the 2010/2011 season we were in profit solely due to player sales. I think otherwise we would have made a 4.1 mil overall operating loss, which is minimal and something t be proud of, but I wouldn’t begrudge the club using some of the transfer money to plug that hole. Otherwise however, i’d like them to cough up….
Rodz @ 185 your always on the ball like
Rodzilla and Big D…has Cabaye thrown is toys out of the pram ? He didn’t look a happy camper in the brief appearances he has made this season..
Also I think people perhaps overestimate our merchandising and ticket sales as revenue streams….some obvious things are A.-We’re not a global brand as we were say 12 years ago and as such aren’t too popular in the US or Asia where some clubs make a shit ton of money
B-despite attendences, we’re only now back in Europe with the extra matches they bring, and even then our ticket prices are pretty damn low. Ashley did that 10 year season ticket holder deal so we won’t be seeing any rise in profit there, and excluding that our average ticket price is what, like 35 quid? Compared to Arsenal’s 90 quid or some such
MM I don’t know mate but I would say if the Debuchy transfer doesn’t come off he wont be to happy, as he has went public on the club needing to hold on to their best players and add to them and was basically tapping up a player that has a contract with another club, so if it doesn’t come of he is going to look a bit of a mug, on Benny he had the extra holiday because of the Euros but was then given extra to ” sort stuff out”
icedog maybe Pardew is trying to pull a smart one on the Spuds, but the French lads need minutes under there belts, and they just haven’t had them so far this season. Still think we have enough about us to beat them at home though…
Dave
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MM, I don’t know mate, that was just me throwing a cat into the cauldron.
To be honest, I’m of the assumption that if any cash ‘goes missing’ it’s gone to ‘balance the books’ I.E. paying Fatty back his interest free loan. I mean, where else is he gona recoup his due diligence fuckup from. A loan is a loan – it means he wants it back.
…for all we know, Pardew might just be trying to keep his key players fit for the start of the season, and is wrapping them up in cotton wool, so to speak.
Aye, and Cabaye played a shitload during the Euros. Assuming he still turns up to training, there’s only so much “fitness” you can lose.
Only thing I’m a bit worried about is Ramadan and its effect on Ba/Cisse
Newkie with an average attendance of 50.000 that will bring in a lot of doe. admittedly the shirt sales wont bring in that much because the club shop sells junior sizes @ £39.99 but if you went to Jabba’s sports direct you can buy the same one @ £27.99 but then I guess he wouldn’t pocket so much if he was to sell more through the club, so it makes sense to sell them @ £12 a shirt cheaper through SD
Rodz @ 195 he could wait until he sells the club
because as it is the club with the loan included stands him around £250 mil and you can be pretty sure he will sell for more than that 
Nice One Side kick. Yeah Troy, don’t forget in your calculations figures for agents fees, signing on fees and golden goodbyes? Not cheap running a financially sound football club.
Big Dave – Aye I agree to large degree. I said to Troy (cos he seems to think the money is still there) that most if not all of the £35M has been spent and we’re a better team for it. There is no doubt we’re a better team for the money we’ve spent. It reminds me of Blackadder. Seen it, pinched it, spent it. As well run financially as the club is, it is still massively in debt. I reckon the interest (or notional interest) alone would account for a high proportion of the revenue.
The following from an article by Toonsy on the last set of published accounts:
In terms of player sales, which is what most people really want to know, we made a profit of £5.4m.This includes the sale of Andy Carroll, so even after the famous £35m we only made £5.4m by the time we paid for everyone else. The club say that since then they have spent a further £25m on fees and wages for players. We’re also owed £5m from somewhere (Andy Carroll probably) and do all of our buying and selling in cold hard cash, which may explain partially why we get good deal for players as we pay everything up front.
The debt level is the same – £140m owed interest free to one Michael James Wallace Ashley although we have now cleared all third party debts such as the rather large overdraft we had during the Championship season.
NUFC website says the same. You tell me where these figures are wrong Troy, and why you imagine the club is sitting on a pot of gold. It was you, Troy, who made the statement we are still waiting for the Carroll money to be spent.
Just something very basic, I’m not going to go in to how many season ticket holders we have, how many children go and all those details.
30x 50,000= £1, 500 000
Not a bad sum, but even just ten players on about 50k a week excluding whatever bonuses there are and the like, it puts it in perspective. Just ten players is a third of that sum
And as in my previous post, we still currently operate at a loss, so all our merch/tickets don’t cover all the running costs. Will be interesting to see last years stuff though
@B&B
Clearly your head is in a spin. I’ve already explained the reasons why you haven’t justified the statement you made.
Why is it the Carroll money which you state it is.
Is it not Enriques or Nolans or bests or Guthries?
Is it not the savings on the wages of Barton, Enrique, Smith and Nolan. ?
Transfers alone total IRO £55m. Wages saved must total several million on top of that.
Carroll was on a 5 year contract valued IRO £30k per week = £7.5m contract.
Working on your scenario that’s £42.5m for Carroll.
Enrique had a year left on £60k per week = £3m
Nolan As above =£3m
Best 3 years etc
There is a huge huge profit on transfers.
To suggest we have spent most of not all the Carroll money is a ludicrous statement.
Aye Dave@199, I’d like to think that but I don’t know how he’s set it up. Ahhh fark naahs, getting into all that club finance bollocks again now
…end of the day, I’m ‘content’ if we spend 10m a year on players (plus money gained from sales). I don’t think that’s too much to ask.
Newks, I think Ramadan ends this weekend, so I’d expect that means cameos from Ba, Cisse and Barfa (injuries permitting) for the Spurs game. Shouldn’t be too much of a hiccup.
(and definitely no burps)
Dave that was to you btw. Re the shirt sales, well, that’s capitalism really. You’d be hard pressed to find a club on our level that would sell kit cheaper than Sports Direct mate.
Plus, at least he doesn’t call us mugs for buying the shirts like a certain owner eh
Newkie what 10 players do you think we have on £50k a week
B&B you’re on fire.
I don’t understand why the paying off of the debt is sometimes used as a slant against Ashley. The debt is the clubs, if Ashley wasn’t here the debt would still be there, still need to be paid off, just to someone else.
And I thought the reason that the money is owed to Ashley is because instead of us paying money to numerous third parties and having to add a huge amount of interest, he eliminated the third party by paying the debt off with his own money thus ridding ourselves of high interest payments.
Rodz @ 203 no its not to much to ask
Rodz-To be honest, i’m skeptical about how strict a muslim Benny boy in comparison to Ba and Cisse, but fair enough. There’s no question their bodies will be in a bit of a famished state, but I didn’t realise it ended this week, so huzzah for my ignorance and hopefully all will be well…
its getting hot on here tonight howay the lads
@B&B
Those accounts do not cover sales during the summer.
Keep trying.
So, I see we’re back to criticising the Board for good, smart business…
Dave-Well, Cabaye, Xisco, Ba, Cisse, Barfa, Tiote, Colo, Staylor, Marveux are nine such players that I think would add up to there abouts. If we complete the Anita signing, he could be number 10
Rodz yeah I’d be happy with that. Don’t mind the club using a certain amount to pay off debts run up by Shepard, but it would be nice to celebrate our successful season with a bit of expenditure on the squad.
Obviously could still be proved wrong..
Oh, and Jonas would be up around there too, so there’s 10 on around that sum I’d say Dave
Rodz @ 203 I guess we’ll just have to wait and see
strumpet surprised to see you on here after you threw a massive hissy fit the other night you clown
@Troy
But WITH the Andy Carroll sale we only made £5M profit.
So if you include Nolan’s fees etc we actually DID spend the money on transfers..
As I said earlier Arsenal and Everton show that without a sugar daddy it isn’t as easy as transfer in money = transfer out money. Hopefully in a few years it will be for us though.
Newkie i’m not sure about Saylor or Marv but they could be
@B&B
Could you use the accounts that cover last summers finances instead of those published in March 2011.
Of course your figures will suit you.
Why don’t you cover the Nolan, Enrique, Smith, Best, Barton sales and wages saved.
I’ve seen this done before. The twisters donut all the time.
: 
@Heedmag. Certainly not going to let a disagreement get in the way of talking about the club I love. Attempting to bring more debate to the table than you by the looks of things anyway but thanks for the simple insult.
Newkie @ 212 hopefully it won’t be long before we get shot of Xisco and free up that wage
Dave-When Staylor signed it was widely reported at 50k if i’m not mistaken. I don’t really believe he’s worth it, but that’s what he is supposed to be on. Marveux well, as he signed as a freebie and chose us over Liverpool and that malarky I’d say it would be a nicely competetive wage-at least 40k. Given that I believe Colo is still earning over 70K, that allow’s a player or two some leeway
Dave-Agree with Xisco. Mad when you look at the talent on that list, then see his name there
@Trumpet
I’m assuming you missed the original point B&B made and what this debate is all about.
He stated; we have spent most, if not all the £35m (Carroll) money.
I challenged him and stated, we have sold Enrique, Nolan, Best, Guthrie and fringe players since to the value IRO £55m.
We are in a huge profit on transfer sales since we sold him in January 2011.
I’m still waiting for him to justify it, as he’s wriggling about with contract fees and agents fees to dig himself out of his hole.
He then tries to fool people with account figures which are totally irrelevant.
Troy – You take it from the summer. What are the figures?
Bear in mind that NUFC owed £27M in outstanding transfer fees when Ashley bought the club. Ashley didn’t owe them, NUFC did. I suspect the Michael Owen deal was a disaster financially as well as football wise.
Strumpet – I agree completely on the debt. I don’t think Troy can understand that, or all the other less obvious costs of running a successful football club.
Shit, wher did Heedmag come from
…you didn’t use to post as ‘Komfort’ by any chance did you?
Solano@213…”celebrate our successful season with a bit of expenditure on the squad.” is exactly what I’m expecting mate. Like I said, I don’t think Fatty is THAT stupid. Surely, with his divine business sense, he realises further investment is key now, if we’re to sustain our ‘success’.
Troy….am I misunderstanding this statement….?
“I challenged him and stated, we have sold Enrique, Nolan, Best, Guthrie and fringe players since to the value IRO £55m. ”
It’s difficult to believe that the sale of the players quoted above equated to 55 mill. What does IRO mean by the way ?
ROCKING on here noo like
…av just put Fugazi on in celebration.
@Troy
But if after the 35M transfer we were only 5M in the green then that means the Carroll money was all used. Just not on player buys.
Why does it have to be used on transfers to have been “used”.
Think that’s the stumbling block in what you are saying to those disagreeing.
Newkie i’m not picking holes in it but I thought Saylor was on around £25-30k
but I could be wrong on that, the rest I agree with but then who knows
Agree with Solano @213 and Rodz 226
I can understand the odd bit of money going to pay off loans, I was annoyed this summer as it seemed we were missing a trick and letting our rivals recover the ground and in turn get the jump on us when there was an opportunity for us to turn the “5 year plan” into a 3 year plan or something…
So you’re agreeing the position at the last accounts – with the Carroll money included a profit of £5.4M. Now you’ve changed it to the Best, Enrique, Guthrie etc money. Am I right? You’re no longer talking about the Carroll money?
I don’t know why I’m asking because apparently, according to Troy, the accounts figures “are totally irrelevant”. How can you argue with that?
@B&B
I don’t recall ever criticising the club on their transfer policy in this debate?
You made a statement that we had spent most if not all the £35m Carroll money.
That’s the only point I’ve challenged.
So don’t twist the debate and explain why you posted those irrelevant finances and explain how we have spent the Carroll money and not the Enrique, Nolan, Guthrie Best money.
Over to you.
MM@227
…just play it clever mate and agree mate 
…(I think it stands for Iguana Rhinoceros Ostrich)
shh
*sorry, two ‘mate’ s in the same sentence there
strumpet as long as its only debate we don’t want you making up anymore weird and wonderfull stories or telling anymore lies isnt that right bigdave
rodders long time no see you crazy dog hope your sticking to the straight and wide
Newkie @ 231 I agree with you 100% this was our chance to help cement our standing and try to maintain our top 6 spot, as I honestly thought Jabba would push the boat out and grab this opportunity with both hands, as it would benefit his SD as well with global coverage for SD, but as Rodz says still plenty of time left
Rodz I take it MM is your mate
@Heedmag. Still don’t appear to be offering anything to the table..
I made a mistake in quoting the wrong position for Dave. I was still only attempting to make a genuine point on what I think is fan expectation spiraling out of control.
Dave-Aye no worries I’m pretty certain Staylor’s previous deal was 25-30k pw, he got a new one the year before last I think, which dragged on for a fair while for reasons we can only speculate on, but he’s now rumoured to be on 45-50k, not parity with Colo but obviously an improvement on what he was on
I never said you criticised the transfer policy. Where did I say that? All I’ve questioned is why you think we’ve got the £35M Carroll money. You’re twisting the dabate because you’re all over the shop.
Its not over to me, fella. It all started with you talking about the Carroll money. You were talking about spending it. I simply could not understand why you think we still have it. Its all been dealt with in the last accounts. Seen it, pinched it, spent it. If you think the club’s accounts are irrelevant then let me see Troy’s alternative version. Put up or shut up.
Has someone pinched B&B’s pen and paper with scribbles on!
MM @ 227 it stands for In Rodz Opinion
did you ask me about Richie the other day and I never answered 
Icedog where are you
Dave@238, aye me and MM are like that mate (finger expression thingy).
Heed, as always mate. Nee path too wonky, nee gap too narra
Dave-Aye, judge them at the end of the window I suppose, just have to cross our fingers and hope for the best…
I live in hope that the board are secretly doing a couple of deals for players who nobody would expect us to get.
Kim, KTF bonny lass.
Nowt te wurry boot.
@B&B
All over the place. ?
You have a short memory.
My very first post to you was this;
Troy Stavers
3 hrs, 59 mins ago
@B&B
You say;
Troy – Most, if not all, of the (Carroll) £35 million has already been spent and we’re a better team for it.
Wow!
Could you really explain to me how we have spent £35m or most of it since January 2011 and I would expect you to include all sales out and in from that time.
This will be interesting.
If you were referring to costs which ate up Carrolls fee immediately which are mentioned in the clubs finances which you used?
Why go on to justify it by naming Ba, Cisse Cabaye who were bought in the summer?
All over the place? Not me B&B.
The very first post I wrote set out our debate.
You still haven’t answered the question.
Over to you.
Troy @ 242 Is that your best? Every club has a wages cap and NUFC’s accounts that include the Carroll money are irrelevant when considering the question of the Carroll money. You’re playing a blinder today, fella. You hoping I’ve forgotten about the wages cap one? Ya deeein me heed in, man. Am off!
…must admit, I like the idea that Bradford and Bingley and Troy are brothers (triplets?
), but must admit, with the amount of shite that gets spouted on here by multi-moniker schizo posters I have my doubts.
…doing a good job at a sibling rivalry impersonation anyway, if it is faked.
DAVE you called?
Ice just wondered where you were is the Bro away back yet
I reckon B&B is Stardust actually
@B&B
So you aren’t going to explain how we spent the Carroll money ?
Why mention Ba, Cisse and Cabaye if Carrolls money had been accounted for in the March accounts?
You drinking tonight fella.
Ignoramus @ 249. To sum up. You started on about the Carroll cash. I said it had gone, spent, finito, forget about it. Why do you think we have it? We already had debts and we have spent a fortune on transfer fees, new contracts, increased contracts, reserve team squad, debt etc. You then turn it to Enrique, Nolan, etc no longer is it the Carroll money. I refer you to the accounts which include the Carroll money. You essentially say the accounts which include the Carroll money are irrelevant when considering the Carroll money. I’ve asked you (because you still think we have the money) to draw up your own accounts if the club’s are irrelevant because you seem to be suggesting we have £35M tucked away since the time of the last accounts, presumably from the sales of other players. I’m like Munich Mag; I don’t know where you get your figures.
…just been stood at the back door smerking a tarb anyway, fkin bats flying rund, ganin MENTIL
…probably not going mental really, more likely just relying on thar ultrasoond.
…think they might’ve been attracted by me playing Les Claypool’s Sausage on mi sterier.
DAVE aye he went this afternoon,visting rest of family,then hes off on a 10day cruise,bloody all right for some
Rodz @ 255 I don’t mate
Please save me. Please someone step forward and tell Troy the relevance of mentioning Ba, Cisse, etc when we’re talking about where the Carrol money has gone. He’s either stupid or he’s trying to wriggle off (as he likes to accuse others of) on some sort of technicality.
@B&B
Why mention Ba, Cisse, Cabaye, Marveaux if you believed all the cash or most of it had been eaten up at the point of sale?
Over to you?
Rodz :grin
Would be a lot of work, just for one guy.
Unless people like, pre write what they’re going to post. Surely nobody is that sad
B+B
Unfortunately mate I can’t intervene here as I’ve actually made a similar point to troy before in relation to “if we’ve spent the Carroll money then i’d like to see the Nolan money.”
I do understand where you’re coming from though. Unfortunately, tonight I can’t be arsed
Troy @261 Who ever mentioned the point of sale or anything to that effect? Why do you want to go down a little narrow alley of your own making and make out I took you there? I’ve heard of moving the goal posts, but FFS! And you criticise other people for misquotes etc on here!
Ice im sure your glad to get a wee break as I know a few hrs with my Bro’s is enough and I think Troy and B+B feel the same
Meant to say Richie said his Dad is getting better
Newkie – Its a good job there’s just you and Rodz left cos Troy’s making a right tit of himself.
Unless Troy comes back before I log off after this post, I’m off.
@B&B
No need to seek others to help you out your hole.
I would rather hear it from you. Any logical thinking person who believe you were struggling.
Why mention them?
Dave@259, I don’t either mate. Just thought I’d up the ante and hoy a walrus in the cauldron.
Troy, yer awlder bro’s got yer on the ropes noo mate.
…quick magic sponge
…gum shield oot
spit 
….
…..get back in there lad……..
Well if your talking about player sales should be put back into to recruiting players, I would say that we are in a hell of a bit of profit, because imo if we sell a player we should use that money to buy more players we shouldn’t have to take the new players future wages out of the original money we got for that player because we would have had to pay their wages anyway. If that makes sense
Otherwise thats like selling Tiote for £15mil then paying a player @ £7 mil on a 5 yr contract and saying that thats all the £15 mil gone because we have to take fees, wages and bonuses etc out of the £15mil so theres fuk all left
Ranger wont play for Newcastle again according to Pardew , He ‘ crossed the line too many times ‘ accroding to Pards. This is from a talk-in himself and John Carver were doing tonight. Carver couldnt make it for family reasons
Rodz Stardy couldn’t debate his way outta a wet paper bag and I haven’t heard B+B run Saylor down so that can’t be him
@ 268 Irrespective of any little side argument, which I’ve won anyway, get back to the main point, which you are keen to side step. You think the Carroll money is there. Its already been spent on paying off debts and buying new players (JUST TO BE CLEAR, NOT NECESSARILY AT THE POINT OF SALE). ITS GONE. WHY DO THINK IT HASN’T? WHY DO YOU THINK IT IS ALL SITTING THERE FOR THE PURCHASE OF NEW PLAYERS? AS FAR AS THE ACCOUNTS, THE ACCOUNTANTS AND THE PRUDENT OWNER ARE CONCERNED, IT IS GONE. That’s not to say Mikey doesn’t feel a whole lot richer and, as a result, may be inclined to loosen the purse strings a little if he sees a bargain.
Johno @ 271 I have said that the other day when some said we’re paying his wages so might aswell pay him, but I said he has crossed the line too many time and to then bring him in is sending a bad signal to others as if to say you can fuk about as much as you want and you’ll still get a chance.
You can only give someone so many chances then you have to draw the line—————–
Dave – My point on player transfers these days, and Pards has alluded to it today, there may be no transfer fee or smaller ones than in the past, but the wages can make up for it. My main point, however, is that the club was massively in debt on transfer sales and following the Carroll sale have more or less broken even. The money isn’t there to spend – although Ashley must feel richer, and may want to spend if a bargain or two comes along. Troy can’t work this out.
Dave-I’d agree with that for the most part. I can understand how “free transfers aren’t free” and obviously depending on the player, a certain fee can be expected to be used up on obtaining their services(namely bribing the agent
)
In regards to using a transfer fee to pay for wages- I remember Llambias moving the goalposts with that with the Carroll money when he said it would be spent on buying new players and then later said something about contracts, and that was out of order imo.
For me, if profits are made by way of selling players, but the club loses money as a whole, I don’t mind a slice of that payment going to even out the debt. In a way you could say that is a players transfer money being put into someone elses wages, but personally i’d just tie it up in the whole of the club’s expense.
Dave, it’s all bollocks.
I find it fucking hilarious how involved some fans get in club finances.
I couldn’t give a fucking hoot.
Leave it to the suits to run the business, and in the meantime I’ll expect my football club to what’s necessary in order to keep up with our competitors.
I support NUFC the football team, the club/district, the identity.
Money always complicates things, but it’s a sad state of affairs when a club’s fans start concerning themselves with company finances, for fuck’s sake.
Leave that to the suits, we’re allowed to voice our concerns if OUR team is under threat.
Squad improvement is a fucking necessity, and part and parcel to the business.
Bollocks to how much money Fatty has.
Just spend 10 fucking million and be done with it.
Definitely off. Been getting daggers cos she has wanted to be on computer for hours.
Rodz – does that mean that we could have sold Carroll for £5M and you would’t have been bothered? Can’t wait around for the answer.
Big D@265….sorry to hear about Richietoons dad… I was wondering where he was, haven’t heard from him for ages.
IRO….I like that….
Troy is giving me the rubber ear to my question like, but it’s understandable cos he’s on the ropes at the moment….
B&B we now know who wears the troosers in your hoose
I agree with my honorable friend @ 277
B+B take it easy Lad
DAVE aye great for richies dad,think we might have to give him a weeks grace when he returns
Rodz-I kinda get what you mean, but at the end of the day we kind of have to care nowadays. A flippant attitude to finance can destroy a club. I’m not saying we owe Ashley shit and he’s saint who saved us from going bust and all that malarky, but if everyone is happy to go along for the ride and avoid paying the consequences you can end up like porstmouth.
Someone on here commented about them and how rich it was they are crying about being broke even after they paid for a squad well over the odds and ended up taking a point off us when really it should have been them who got relegated rather than ourselves.
And, in a really sad way, I kind of like it. I particularly like selling average players for ridiculous money and buying ridiculously good players for average money. Some of the best banter we can give out really, considering we’ve won feck all!
Ice yeah I think we should give him a few days grace a think a week is a bit too much
B+B don’t be a stranger lad, we need you to keep Troy in check and all that
Also from what I can work out, over the course of PL history we’ve averaged out at 5mil outlay per season on players. Not a bad show when you consider what that kind of money was in the early 90s. Manure at 10mil.
DAVE your reet a weeks a bit much,must be the drink got to my heed
the rat bag hasnt been on much lately must be up jabba ass again
Johnotoon @271 ,yeah I read on a Toon rumours site someone had seen him at a local hospital in his tracksuit last week ,it’s the hospital that deals in heart and lung problems ,can’t remember the name of it now. Some idiot thought he was there for a players medical until a fellow blogger told him it’s a specialist heart lung hospital. Looks like a poorly family member then ,going by that.
Newkie I sort of agree with Rodz in that I don’t give a flying fuk about the in’s and out’s of the finances IMO there is no chance that Jabba will spend dangerous amounts of money, I would rather we just got on with supporting the team and at the windows we didn’t have to always worry about our best players being sold and looking forward for the odd decent player coming in.
I can never remember blogs being full of money talk before Jabba came along and knocked the hope out of most of the fans.
Woo hoo hoo hoo.
Absolutely incredible display of ignorance from Bradford & Bingley.
The whole point and Newkie and Dave also have it, the £35m there to spend on new players.
Pards came out with it and Lambias reneged on it.
I’ve took that all into account on making my very first post. That is why I asked you to explain how the Carroll money had been spent and I asked you to name the players which accounted for the Carroll money.
You are now using figures which explained that even with the Carroll money we only made a small profit and tried to use those IRRELEVANT figures to explain his cash was virtually used up.
If you can’t see that then you have wood for brains.
Pards and Lambias stated the Carroll cash was for players. (£42m)
We then sell Enrique, Nolan, Best, Guthrie.
Offload Barton and Smith.
Im still waiting for you to explain to me, bearing in mind Lambias stated the Carroll money was for players where it’s gone.
We have sales of £55m since January 2011 and spent £23m on buys.
I don’t accept the full contract of players being accounted for in the figures as you have to take into account Carrolls 5 yr contract and other players contracts.
Wow! You are digging your way down to Aussies Hoose here!
B&B
, appreciate you need to go, but I’m sure you’ll hang around for a peek.
No, to reiterate my point I’m an old school fan. I do my day-to-day job well, and expect others to produce results relevant to their salary. In other words, too many fans concern themselves with the business side of the club these days when they never did in the past.
It’s about a ‘football team’ to the masses. The fans want squad improvement, and if the economy has stifled our opportunities I’m afraid it just isn’t gona register.
Try explaining our transfer policy/wage cap/Brewsters Millions to the average 40+ yr old blokey and wifey on the street and I’m sure you’ll be greeted with the same vacant stare.
Try explaining why we’re not competing with the teams who finished below us to Mr and Mrs Bloggs on Northumberland Street and they’ll give you the same look.
With regards to Carroll, that’s water under the bridge for me, as I said earlier I don’t get involved in the 35m debate.
To summarise, it’s blatantly obvious to all we need to expand our squad.
…and as yet I’m still waiting
hahah, I’ve gone from being not really arsed to impatient fuck in one thread
Dave-Yeah, I know what you mean mate. I think I care about the money bit precisely because Ashley isn’t going to bank roll us. I like to know what we’re making/losing, what should be available, and why it hasn’t been spent on getting in new players and that kind of thing. Means I know when and whether to get pissed off at him
As for losing players…well, every team excluding perhaps Real and Barca have to deal with that. It’s no fun, but when we have a squad as good as we do, there’s not much we can do to shield them from speculation.
As for money talk…its probably because we spent quite a lot back in the day, which we couldn’t really afford but it made us happy. Now with financial fair play rules supposedly coming in along with clubs going bust left right and centre, its taken a more prominent role in football as a whole.
Newkie from the entertainers right up to Jabba came in we have had some top players but I can never remember coming up to a window and anyone worrying about who we might lose I can only remember people excited about who we could bring in, to me thats the way supporting should be imo
Troy- I prefer to count it from two summers ago after promotion, so I include Tiote, Perch and Barfa along with the other ins and outs of the money.
Taking that stance, we still have £28mil worth in player sales, not including signing on fees and the like.
I suppose if you count Ba, Marv, Ammy and Abeid’s signing on fees you could chop it down to say, 23mil? Not really sure how much it cost to bribe those agents but it must have bee a bit….
6mil on Anita takes us to 16mil, and as I mentioned earlier we needed 5mil or so to pay the runnings of the 2010/2011 season, so we’re on 11mil.
Come on Ashley, 11 mil for a CB!
Meant to add I don’t need to worry about knowing whats going on financially to get pissed of with him, because renaming the ground done that for me, along with a few other things
Newkie @ 296 or you could go back another season and count Milner, Zog, Given etc etc
Dave-well its built on Carroll more than anything, I think the deadline day and the fact he was our number 9 hit most of us very hard. Hit me hard and he’s why I worry obviously.
I don’t really miss Martins, Duff, Given, Milner, Nzogbia. First team players all, but I didn’t really like any of them Given aside, the others were bellends and we don’t miss them at all
I don’t remember worrying about losing players so much perhaps…but I remember being gutted when we sold players all the same, Ginola, Ketsbaia, Ferdinand, Cole, Asprilla, Albert, Solano, Speed, Woodgate.
Dave- I know mate, i’ll never like him, but I meant whether its worth moaning about on the blog and such
I know you could go back and count them, but they kinda had to go because of relegation. I know you’ll say relegation was Ashley’s fault and i’d agree with you for the most part but I can’t be arsed to get into that
Dave you opened an unnecessary can of worms there (and yes I had to check my spelling).
I can remember texting my mate in 2005 (I think it was).
…”yes! we’ve got a billionaire owner! WOOOOOO-HOOOOOOOOOO!
”
…oh how we now chortle at our naivety.
fuck sensible billionaires, I want a fucking thick one.
Rodz
@Newkie
The point I’m trying to make Bradford & Bingley understand, (have this problem all the time as Grandad Les left the common sense to me) is that the Carroll money was to be used for future purchases of players. Lambias is quoted.
He then tries to muddy the waters by publishing figures from March 2011 which states the club only made a small profit for the year which included the sale of Carroll.
Absolutely irrelevant and he is to deep in his hole to shout for help.
We have since made approx £15-£20m on sales with Enrique, Nolan, Guthrie, Best and fringe players.
He can only account for Cisse, Cabaye, Marveaux and Oba and nominal fee players.
Even Ba’s offsets can be saved by the £7.5m contract the toon had just gave him.
He is so far down the hole I can hear the echo of him shouting.
Rodz, would you prefer Venky’s mate
Clarify- even Ba’s contract can be offset by Carrolls £7.5m deal he had just signed.
Troy-Aye I remember the Llambias jig, he’s a slippery bastard. Changed it from pure transfers to transfers and wages to underground soil heating and some nicer gardens or something
Then he had the arrogance to get all smarmy in an article a few months ago claiming it had all been spent. I bloody despise that man
Newks
…I watched their press conference this afternoon on SSN where he pretty much said Pedersen was past it and Keane was shit (3strikes and yer out!). 
…sums it up mate. Suits buying into institutions and taking on more than they bargained for.
Power to the People!
(speaking of which, where the fuck is ‘Wolfie’ Smith these days?)
Rod
Aye, I’m gunna miss em, they were a good laugh like
Wolfie is probably waiting until Anita is signed up properly, then he’ll come in and tell us all to bask in Ashley’s immense shadow
Newks, this blogging lark is a CRRRRRAAAAAZY world.
Must admit I like the intrigue.
…dumb all over, a little ugly on the side.
Intrigue? Like who’s schitzo and who isn’t?
Troy is Shinton, and you’re Toonsy’s lass, right?
….Hi, I’m Frank
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCcgthWmE60&feature=related
That’s right, you asked for it, remember there is a big difference between kneeling down and bending over….
He’s got twenty million dollars in his Heavenly Bank Account
All from those chumps who was born again, oh yeah, oh yeah
He’s got seven limousines and a private plane
All for the use of his special friends, oh yeah, oh yeah
He’s got thousand-dollar suits and a Wembley Tie
Girls love to stroke it while he’s on the phone, oh yeah, oh yeah
At the House of Representatives he’s a groovy guy
When he gives thanks he is not alone
He is dealin’, he is really dealin’, IRO can’t determine where the hook is
It is easy with the bible to pretend that you’re in Show Biz (And the one and the two and the…)
They won’t get him, they will never get him for the naughty stuff that he did
It is best in cases like this to pretend that you are stupid
He’s got Presidential help all along the way
He says the grace while the lawyers chew, oh yeah, they sure do
And the Governors agree to say: “He’s a lovely man”
He makes it easier for them to screw all of you, yes, that’s true
‘Cause he helps put the fear of god in the common man
Snatchin’ up money everywhere he can, oh yeah, oh yeah
He’s got twenty million dollars in his Heavenly Bank Account
You ain’t got nothin’, people
You ain’t got nothin’, people
You ain’t got nothin’, people
Thank the man, oh yeah
As we end another broadcast today let me say that “You ain’t got nothin’ and he’s got it all”
And your miserable self is against the wall
The only thing you have not tried, is the sport of chumps, that’s suicide…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCcgthWmE60&feature=related
Fattyisms aside,
…if that last rather inappropriate and unnecessary post makes one more person on the planet look Frank Zappa up on Wikipedia, then it’s got to be a good thing.
…quite funny actually, do they still tell kids aboot pertry these days?
…or is it ahl on compyoota noo
…the Keats and the Byrons are being overtaken by the Gaga n Gallaghers
DIPSHIT
DIPSHIT
DIPSHIT
DIPSHIT
DIPSHIT
DIPSHIT
DIPSHIT
DIPSHIT
Ivanovic doesn’t get a ban for his red card. Apparently the game wasn’t considered to be a competitive match.
So it seems it’s ok to make career-ending tackles in friendly games.
Rod, I had to do some of the most horrific poetry in the world in school, Caroll Anne Duffy, a butch old feminist who seemed to claim all men are bastards and rapists or Christina Rosetti who made thirteen year old teenagers who cut themselves seem like the joyous little leprechauns you find at the end of a rainbow.
Keat’s was just plain old boring
@304
“the Carroll money was to be used for future purchases of players. Lambias is quoted. ”
Never seen that quote i remember him saying “Every penny of the £35m will stay in the club.”
So if that money paid for the under soil heating it stayed in the club, If it paid for new contracts for Colo, Tiote, Krul, Gutierrez, Shola, Williamson, Raylor, Ferguson, Vukcic and Sammy it stayed in the club, If it paid for the ridiculous signing on fees players demand and the agents cut of any deal it stayed in the club.
You left out the £6m Santon deal or the £5.5m for Ben Arfas permanant deal or were they in you accounted for in your nominal signings.
Cant believe people are still obsessing about this fecking £35m, Look at the quality of player that have arrived at the club and the rapid progress weve made since villa park 09 does it really matter how much the club spend
Brisvegas, come on you’re not surprised are ya
eh?
btw Rodz, I liked your comment about not getting into finance arguments.
It’s all a bit laughable all these people who try to balance our profit and loss statements using figures gleaned from dodgy media messages and numbers plucked out of the imagination.
The attention to detail is hilarious. Anal retentiveness obviously runs high in the Stavers household.
CC-I’ll leave it to troy to find it as i really CBA. I’m pretty sure we were told all the money would be made avaliable to Pardew to strengthen the team, then were told summit else, but I could be wrong.
I’m not surprised, Newkie. Nothing football administrators do surprises me. From FIFA to the local social club, football administrators always seem to be either on a power trip or on the take. They always find a way to cater to their paymasters
Brisvegas, my figures are 100% accurate and everything I write is indisputable…
@322, yeah sumik like that
Yeah. To be honest, I think they’re just jealous of people with real footballing talent and they feel the need to take it out on anyone they can, prove they’re big men and the like.
I remember even playing as a kid you had refs who went on power trips.Still, I always got my own back
Newkie
I remember pardew saying something along those lines just cant remember dekka commiting to it all to transfer fees, He certainly pushed the money staying in the club not fat micks arse pocket speel.
Im probably wrong cant see troy leaving himself open after the stick he gave trumpet the other day about making up quotes…
It says a lot about some fans that on a thread about a possible signing we get bogged down in what we haven’t spent.
CC
Yeah, I don’t think Troy gets anything wrong….
You’ve made me uncomfortable agreeing with him now, I’m doubting myself
Pretty sure Pardew said that Dekka/Ashley promised it was for transfers like you say, and then he Dez switched it to players and wages, or within the club like you say? I dunno, I barely remember what I had for breakfast today and if I’m not going to check my washing up i’m not going to go and check those quotes 
Bris-it’s always about that to some, always the negative half the time as well Guarantee if we sign Anita there will be those who doubt his ability even before he steps on the pitch…
oooh shut up CC.
…you remind me of a sit shitcom
..there are 3 things that smell like fish……
…one of them is you……
…the other two,
are growing on you 
Newkie @318
, she tries to make us feel sorry for the women but she’s just a crazy bitch who wants to castrate( 
) men cus they’re ‘bastards’ 
. And that makes you a poet-lauriet these days 
Caroll-Anne-Duffy, that bitch, had to anotate Havisham for 3 months
Andymag-Aye its a joke. Don’t get me started on feminism. Massively into my English lit and History, but doing those subjects at school and uni is a joke. There’s parity and then there’s sexism to such a degree that if a man said similar stuff about a woman he’d be locked up
Duffy was the worst of it, not helped by my feminist teacher. The same teacher also acted as if she was a stringent Catholic and couldn’t see the irony in her lauded obessesion with Duffy, a lesbian. My my, what would the Pope say
all feminists are lezzas
Still it weren’t all bad, me and my mate and then twelve girls in our A level english class
…difficult to grade
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U13cEJ0VOms
I PERSONALLY BLAME IT ALL ON :
WITTERS!!!
WITTERS!!!
WITTERS!!!
….he’s dangerous.
Do not approach, under no circumstances.
aye whatever
Witterz you on aboot man
sail brown bay to chaklit town
i win
PISSFLAPS
We’ve got a team of girls – Gael, Anita, Davida, Danni, Joan(as), Chick Tiote, Gabrielle, Yve Moyo, Curtsy Good and a bloody sissy up front.
I suppose it’s better than having Pinas and Butt.
We need a defender called Rock Solid to balance it all out.
I don’t normally pay much attention to what’s going on at other clubs – mostly cos they’re all a bunch of tossers, so I’ve never felt the need to doubt anyone who has mentioned how much stronger our rivals have become in close season.
Then I just happened to read a comment from a lad I know on Twitter who is a massive Spurs (dickhead) fan, and this is what he said…
“So Spurs are going into the start of the new season with only one striker and a player who wants to leave still there. Shambles.”
Seems like the grass isn’t always greener.
dont know whats going on at toon lately it seems Anita hasnt even been asked over for medical ect yet so reports he was coming over on monday were wrong
Ice, last I heard they hadn’t agreed personal terms. Don’t know for sure but I doubt they’d ask him over for a medical before terms were agreed.
TC aye agreed but surely his agent must have a idea whats on offer,those greedy gits miss nowt and know what their players want
Not that the Journal know anymore than us, but according to them, “United agreed a fee with Ajax on Saturday and now hope to agree terms on a five-year contract with the 23-year-old after a medical.”
Apparently this will happen within the next 48 hours
I
Where’s B&B with his comeback?
I hate it when someone gives in.
I’m ready to finish him off today by filling in the hole he’s dug.
1st feb
The guardian
Pardew said: “The one thing I said to Mike yesterday was, ‘Look, if this boy is going to go, this money has to be reinvested in the team, all of it’, and he has assured me of that. For the Newcastle fan, that is the most important message I can give today, that all
Troy the problem is, if you’re going to be pinickity than you could say that Carroll’s money was all used for transfers.
And that Nolan’s/Enrique’s etc was used for other expenditure as they never “technically” said that those other sales would see money reinvested in the team.
Who gives a flying f*** anyway. The money has stayed in the club. If we had got weaker on the back of the sale I would be moaning. However we replaced a £35 mill player with someone better for free/signing on fee. They should be applauded for such a shrewd move and the reducing of debt in that instance is fully warranted.
Genuinely feel like sometimes those that mention the £35M would be happier if Ba had cost £15M and Cabaye £20M.
There is really nothing to moan about.
Troy Stavers
August 13, 2012 at 10:34
@Bradford & Bingley
Troy Stavers
August 13, 2012 at 22:48
@Newkie
The point I’m trying to make Bradford & Bingley understand … is that the Carroll money was to be used for future purchases of players. Lambias is quoted.
This all started with you saying, “We are still waiting for the Carroll money to be spent “.
Troy, face the fact, THE MONEY HAS BEEN SPENT. The accounts show it. The sooner you get your head around that the better.
You mention Llambias, but you don’t give any direct quotes. What has Llambias actually said; initially and subsequently? You must be a fool if you’re waiting for the Carroll money to be spent based on what he has said then or subsequently.
His argument anyway, as everyone knows, is that NUFC take a more accountancy led version of spending, representing the sort of money that has been committed over the first year of a signing. They believe it gives a more rounded picture of the actual cost of a deal. Naturally it adds up to a great deal more than “headline fees” which fans usually use as their benchmark. The sums include transfer fees (Newcastle pay it all up front unlike most clubs who pay in instalments), agent fees (which can be millions ie 10-14 per cent of the entire worth of a contract), signing on fees, and the first year pay of a new recruits. For instance Yohan Cabaye cost £5million. But add agent fees of, say £1million, and first year wages of say around £3million, Newcastle will have it down as a £9million deal for this season.
Like the UK, Europe, and the US, NUFC under FFS borrowed money heavily. They spent it on shite players like Michael Owen, and were heavily in debt. Now governments and citizens are having to pay the consequences, and repay that debt. NUFC is being prudent by doing the same.
Two questions Troy. (1) Are you seriously waiting for NUFC to spend a further £35M on players, having already used a substantial proportion of that money to pay off the debt hang over? (2) Do you want NUFC to continue with the debt, which was money spent on players under FFS, or would you rather see it paid off?
Strumpet @354 Spot on fella. Don’t expect Troy to get it though, unfortunately.
So it was pardew that said it not llambias
Twisted quote syndromes catching…
I can’t understand how a guy (Troy) that has made some of the biggest foot in mouth gaffs in this blogs history can come on here and carry on like a know all knob
Sorry 
let me correct myself there… He changes his user name and avatar and start the bullshit all over again 
RIP Bobby Bullshitter Number 2 – woo hoo hoo 
I fully get your point and what Ashley and Llambias are doing. I agree with it. I just don’t accept the money, inc agent fees, 1st year of player wages covers the £35m.
You still haven’t explained why you published those finances which I still maintain are irrelavent as they were produced at or around the same time as Pardews quote. ( Sorry I said Llambias instead of saying Pardew who was quoting Llambias’ boss. )
They were just results of the profits/losses over the previous year. If you had published this years, which covered the post Carroll sale then I wouldn’t question your reasoning. However as they aren’t out it’s not possible and it’s not possible to tell where the Carroll cash has gone.
If you are content with Ashley promising the cash will be spent in players at the point of sale then reneging 6months down the line and saying it will now be reinvested in the club, then more fool you.
I certainly don’t expect the club to spend over and above their means and I still maintain with sales of players being IRO £55m and purchases being £23m, then I suggest your agent fees, contract fees are covered by the saving of Carrolls, Barton’s, Nolans, Smiths wages which were all above the current players wage cap.
Of course you will dismiss this as “me not getting it” however that does not mean you are right. IMO you are wrong.
I would suggest, the revenue streams which include the biggest TV deal in history, Europa football and additional attendances, football merchandise and sponsorships should be spent in the daily running of the club.
I know there’s a lot of bloggers who agree with me and many who don’t. This debate has gone on since the club sold Carroll and I know those who will support your view are the ones that I generally disagree with on most subjects.
Explain why you published those irrelevant Finances?
@Aussie
You’ve got to love a trier?
I can honestly say, hand on heart, the only matters I have ever got wrong were the selling of players and the bust up of clatychismic proportions which were from source info .
I still know there was a huge bust up but never got in the press which I was told it would.
You know me Aussie, I’m right 99% of the time.
Grandad Les said to me on his death bed;
“Troy, a man who never made a mistake has never done anything”
I loved my Grandad Les like leek like
Wow. I feel like the guy who leaves the pub table to have a slash and returns to find the pub trashed and everyone in bits on the floor.
We really need a new article to comment on!
(And by the way, while the above passes the time, I have trouble giving a shit; all that matters is: manager of the year, financially stable club, happy squad, good football, 5th place finish. What’s to moan about exactly?)
@whumpie
This is not moaning about the club, it was me trying to stop people making sweeping statements that really are utter rubbish.
Many on here do it and don’t get challenged. The young and impressionable go away believing its true.
I am more than happy with our current situation though won’t be if we don’t sign anyone or 3 of any credibility come the close of the window.
Troy, so you don’t answer any of my questions; you say you agree with my point and what Ashley and Llambias are doing; you say I still haven’t explained why I “published those finances” (?) when everyone can see that I have explained why the accounts including Carroll’s money were relevant to where the Carroll money has gone (the accounts show the Carroll money has been used to clear debt on player purchases and to buy new players, including wages on frees and on improved contracts, agents fees etc.); you now apologise for quoting Llambias, who controls the finances, when it was Pards, who controls the team, that said it; you blame Ashley for reneging, but if we spend more money on players, we are only going to increase the debt not pay it down; you avoid the question as to whether you want us to spend more money and increase the debt, simply saying that you don’t want the club to spend over and above its means; all indications to now suggest you want NUFC to spend £35M (probably more by your reckoning) on player purchases. Its dead easy to nit pick and criticise, and not say what you would do. Are you going to say that we have £35M to spend on players and we should spend it? Should it be this window, January, next window? By when? Stop dreaming fella, and come into the real world not the world of a few years ago when people, including FFS, where borrowing millions they could not afford and in FFS’ case, peeing it up the wall on no marks like Owen.
Troy @ 362 What sweeping statements that are utter rubbish? You’re the only one ot make those. You want us to spend £35M plus on players on the basis of your own back of an envelope calculation.
Troy says – I’m trying to stop people making sweeping statements that are utter rubbish
wooooo hooooo hooooo hoooo now that is the funniest thing Troy has ever posted 
AMF – When he’s not driving us nuts trying to wriggle and squirm, he’s comic entertainment value, I’ll give him that.
Who was it who rightly said about him, its like trying to pin water to a tree?
B&B, He’s more like a left handed screw driver
Spurs fans seem to be pretty worried about playing us. Obviously injury’s are threatening our starting XI but as it stands they just have Defoe up front and apparently Jenas is favourite to start in midfield…
(Parker out, Sandro returned from Olympics to late, preferred to Huddlestone)
@B&B
The finances published by you is not the where the Carroll money went. I fail to see how you can’t get a simple point.
All that was showing is, IF the Carroll money was invested in previous debts and commitments then all but £5m would be left.
The owner, the one who tells Llambias what to do and say, told Pardew at the point of sale that the money would be reinvested solely in the team. Not, debts, other commitments.
Pardew is quoted shortly after the sale.
I don’t want the money to be spent on another Michael Owen and never have I suggested that. What is wrong with buying another Cisse tho. ?
That is the ridiculous crap thrown at me & others who defend our point. It’s not about going back to Shepherd days. It’s about having a balance and spending the cash on the right players.
There was such a fine line between hero and zero with Shepherd unfortunately he didn’t have the knack of appointing the right managers all of the time.
This is a crucial time in our history as we are on the edge of success o failure, similar to the time when SBR had us in the CL and we failed to invest in the first team.
It was only a short while ago, Ashley made the huge mistake of throwing everything out of his bath tub including the plug and we were relegated resulting in us increasing our debts dramatically.
Ashley has been proved a liar on many occasions. Based on bad character he has lied on this occasion about the Carroll cash.
It is my belief, he is still gearing this club up for a sale and his intention is to clear the debts as soon as he can and the investment in the team is not his priority. You choose to believe his propaganda.
I don’t.
The club doesn’t need to clear its ever increasing debt so dramatically, so quickly if he’s here for the long haul.
We are still in excess of £25m in sales since Carrolls sale which IMO means most of it has not been spent.
Who knows, if we had bought a quality CB a year ago when Pards demanded it, we might now be in the CL.
There’s a fine line between being thrifty and foolish.
Ashley has proven himself to be foolish when we got relegated.
Let’s see what the transfer window brings and where we end up next season.
If we finish out of Europa next season then it’s a huge faux pas on Ashley’s behalf by not reinvesting in the first team.
‘You know me Aussie, I’m right 99% of the time.
‘
I’m glad you put the smiling face in there, Troy, otherwise I might think you were seriously in need of psychiatric help. The opposite is the case in my experience of what you have said in the past.
Once again, you’ve avoided the questions that your stance demands. I will repeat them. “Are you going to say that we have £35M to spend on players and we should spend it? Should it be this window, January, next window? By when?”
You’ve also ignored my attempts to get you to justify your mad cap every club has wage cap statement.
ST-So Good ol Maddeybayour is holding Spurs to ransom is he? Good stuff
@B&B
Again, you find the most simplistic issue hard to grasp.
Granda Les should have whispered his wise words to you more often
What is it about my previous posts which doesn’t answe your question whether I believe there’s a substantial amount of player transfer kitty available.
I will repeat it again but only one more time as its looking embarrassing for that you are my bro.
On transfers alone since Carroll was sold we have surplus IRO £25m.
Moving onto your next point, do I believe we should spend it all this summer? Well I believe a great deal of that cash could have been invested over the period since Carroll was first sold. I trust the judgement of Pards and Carr to identify players and they repeatedly have done so.
Pards is still waiting a year on for his quality CB.
But let’s not digress from the very first issue that this is all about.
You stated, Most if not all of the £35m had been spent.
I’ve explained time and time again why I believe it hasnt on players, which is where Ashley stated it would be spent.
I’m still waiting for you to explain where it’s gone as all I get its gone, as I’ve all I’ve had is irrelevant finances ( laughable in itself)
and statements about players fees, agents, youth teams.
Why not put all our transfer kitty into that. Put the surplus £25m into it.
We are in debt. Pay it off.
It’s been an incredible 24hrs. I’ve realised my bro got Grandma Baba’s knickers instead of Granda Les’ trunks. Those knickers are too tight Brownlie, they are cutting the circulation off to your brain!
According to SSN Anita has changed his agent which is apparently why there’s been a delay in the medical/signing, supposed to be happening soon..
Troy
“I don’t want the money to be spent on another Michael Owen and never have I suggested that. What is wrong with buying another Cisse tho. ? ”
Troy, I distinctly remember you saying (in your bitteress at the Carroll sale) that you felt Cisse couldn’t possibly be as that good, otherwise the bigger clubs would have been all over him at 10million.
No you seem to have changed your tune to suit your arguement…
Troy – “We are still waiting for the Carroll money to be spent.” How many ways can I put it. Its gone. The only thing remaining is the good feeling in Mikey’s heart that the club is now a hell of a lot richer than he thought it was shortly after he bought it. This may mean he might be slightly looser with the purse strings.
I note you’re now mentioning a figure of £25M and not £35M or more. Is that £35M plus £25M? Tell me how much we’ve got; how much of it you want to spend on new players; how much you want to use to pay down debt; and by when should we spend it? If we had debts owing on player transfers when Mikey took over of £27M, are you proposing that the club should carry this debt on forever? Is that something you would do with your personal fiances?
So far, you’ve said we’ve still got £35M and you think it should have all been spent on players before now? Do you expect to see us spend that now? More importantly, is that what you’re crying out for? Just sum up what exactly you’re saying because you’re more slippery than Llambias.
B&B
Don’t argue with an idiot, he will only bring you down to his level and beat you with experience.
You would know Troy better than anyone, but from my experience, although, I have agreed with several of his points. I have never seen him conceding when he is wrong. And thus see no point in a lasting debate with him.
Well ,thought there might be some interesting titbits to chat about but it’s groundhog day .
Kimtoon, aye. I want to write an article, but can’t think of anything to write about…
Newkie – how about the £35m – don’t think that’s been discussed for a while!
@JJ
You recall me saying those comments or just guessing? I have never said anything remotely in those lines and I ask you to find that quote.
Howver I do recall you saying this about Ben Arfa in January 2012
Personally, I think he’s overated and we should sell him in the summer if a decent offer comes in.
Would much prefer a player with greater team ethics.
You still saying the same?
@B&B
You are doing a JJ here. Twisting like a corkscrew.
The debate was about you stating that most if not all the Carroll money had been spent. That is the only issue we are debating.
Never throughout this whole thread have I stated we have the full £35m remaining.
From the outset I have stated figures.
I’ve repeatedly stated we have a surplus of £25m – £30m since Carroll was sold.
You on the other hand state all or most ofthe Carroll money was spent.
I have asked you to provide figures.
You produced irrelevant finances. Ashley stated at the point of sale, that ALL the Carroll cash would be reinvested in the team in the summer.
Do the math.
IRO £55m sold £25m bought.
You can wriggle all you want but the more you wriggle the louder I laugh. Wooo hoo hoo hoo
B
Btw JJ
You will learn that B&B is renowned in our family for being the most stubborn. Ask our bro
So have we spent the £35 million yet?
TC
Sorry to intrude troy but your boring mate.
Where you think we will finish this season with our current squad oh wise and noble one
I’
I’m waiting for JJ to tell us his thoughts on Barfa as he stated he was overrated in January and not a team player.
Still overrated JJ ?
I’ve just reviewed my comments on the thread when we signed Cisse.
I give nothing but praise and remark that Ashley is now buying the type of player to take us forward. A balance between buying cheap and hoping they come good and buying known quality.
So JJ, it looks like you and B&B are well suited.
You’ve got a good ally there B&B.
Apparently at that talkin with Pards he said 90% of players linked with us are wrong .
Been looking at pundits predictions for coming league season and not one puts us in top 6 but they mostly put Liverpool and spurs 5th and 6th with one I’ve seen opting for everton over the Dippers.
Rob McCarthy of team talk says if we take it seriously Toon can win Europa League cup iho.
Kim – we currently probably would finish top 7 or 8 in reality no more arguably as we still have same depth issues as last year and didnt have europe last year
Hi Kim I’ve written an article about the top half of the table, my predictions. Just waiting to see what happens to Anita before I send it in.
@Liam
You are so interesting you can’t start your own debate up with others.
Nothing to stop you working round the pair of us. Or is that too exciting for you?
Troy- the topic’s been beaten to death by now. Let’s give it a rest…
Kim- losing Rodwell will really hurt Everton IMO.
I think Lpool will take some time to gel, if they even gel at all, so they may find themselves down the table quite a bit early on.
I can see why we aren’t getting any love from the pundits as the recent history of Europa qualifiers in the prem isn’t the best. Still I think we have more quality than we are given credit for.
maybe I should just send it in anyway to change the subject??
@MDS
Is that directed at me or both me and B&B?
The same goes to you as to Liam. It’s not difficult to work around others.
My bro has an opinion and I respect it. I won’t let him believe he has wonhis point cos IMO he hasn’t.
He thinks the same.
Its the lack of threads which is the problem as I could have stayed on here with B&B whilst you’s debated on a new thread.
Boring maybe to you but enlightening Timmy (to me)
Lads, I’m actually quite pleased to see them write us off ,it’s just like last season and I hope Pards pins it on the dressing room wall and says ,now go make em eat their fecking words .
All those pundits with their usual suspects for top 6 love in taking the easy option ,make me sick ,I swear they don’t do any homework on players at other teams.
Prem@393 Look forward to your article mate ,sounds good.We better hurry up and get Anita in then.
Prem and up
Troy – no im not i simply bow to your awe inspiring presence on the blog
JJ’s thoughts on Barfa would be interesting.
He keeps misquoting others and refuses to comment on his own views
Aye, we played our best when we were written off so leave them to it and lets make them eat their words against this time next year like they did this year
Id genuinely love to hear why they are expecting a dramatic improvement from liverpool.
Gerrard is a year older and less influential, Their squad is jam packed with average to shite players, They couldnt hit a barn door last season and their current crop of strikers are even weaker (Borini didnt even stand out in the championship let alone be in the same class of Bellamy) and they have a really hard start with their first 3 home games being against last seasons top 3.
Oh and the manager is way out of his depth. Check his record at watford and Reading, Granted swansea did well but they were already on an upward curve under Martinez and Sousa who put the majority of the team together and had them in and around the play offs way before Rodgers arrived and took all the credit for their “philosophy”.
CC ,I hope they drop like a stone ,they have one set of fans who need to learn humility and how to congratulate other teams who do well when they havn’t imo. Used to like Liverpool at one time but as the years pass their fans get more and more arrogant and bitter at never winning the PL title. Maybe it’s a generation thing but the pool fans I grew up with were never like that.
CC and Kim , agree with both of ya’s. I dont think Rodgers will be given time to to what is required at Liverpool. They will be calling for Rafa soon enough as their next mesiah
Remind you of anyone? 
I dunno, I’ve caught up with a couple of liverpool fans I know from back home and, along with some of the ones that have popped on here I think they are learning humility and have actually been quite complimentary towards us so maybe some of them are turning over a new leaf.
Most of the ones I see at the pub watching a match are still right c*nts mind
Agree that their team is worse and their manager, like his former club, unbelievably overrated.
Troy – You’ve avoided all the important questions. Its all there in black and white and its embarrassing.
You say, “I’ve repeatedly stated we have a surplus of £25m – £30m since Carroll was sold.” Right something concrete to pin to the tree. Why do you say that the accounts which include the receipt of the Carroll money are irrelevant when discussing how much of the Carroll money is left to spend?
I have said that a good deal of the money from the Carroll sale went to pay off debts owed by NUFC on player purchases up to the time of the last accounts. So your figure of £25M to £30M is not there. Read my lips: THERE’S NOWT LIKE YOUR FIGURES LEFT IN THE POT. Are you saying the club’s accounts, WHICH INCLUDE THE CARROLL MONEY, are a fabrication?
You’re moaning that the money has not been spent but I’m asking you repeatedly how much of “your £30M” that you claim is sitting in the bank do you want spent on players and by when? How much of it would you like to see used to pay off the club’s massive debts on the stadium and past transfers? What’s hard about answering these questions? Still waiting for your defence of your statement that every club has a wage cap?
I’ll try one last time. JUST ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS I’VE ASKED THAT YOU HAVE AVOIDED ANSWERING.
Newkie
I agree, Swansea finished 11th(around the same place[12th] Fulham finished the season[2009/10] before hodgson was appointed Liverpool manager) and yet played ‘great football’, so why pundits and scousers think Liverpool will be back up ‘where they belong’ is beyond me especially after the signings they’ve made are shitter than ours. I’d definately take Bigirimana over Allen especially when the former cost a fifteenth of the latter.
@B&B
Your post is timed 17.11hrs today and you quote;
Troy –
You say, “I’ve repeatedly stated we have a surplus of £25m – £30m since Carroll was sold.” Right something concrete to pin to the tree.
Wow! Yikes! I’m starting to believe you are trying to reel me in now.
Please review all my posts from yesterday and today and you will find I’m consistent throughout. I state those figures continuously.
Pity you didn’t think of bringing your pin with you earlier but then again you wouldn’t find a tree for the woods.
How does that make me feel? Exasperated? Embarrassed for you?
Correct if you ticked both.
Next;
You ask;
Why do you say that the accounts which include the receipt of the Carroll money are irrelevant when discussing how much of the Carroll money is left to spend.
Again, this has been answered on numerous occasions. Another embarrassment that I have to repeat it again. But I feel it must be done to make you aware how unaware you actually are.
Those accounts are irrelevant because they were produced before the summer window. Ashley stated at the point of sale that all the Carroll cash would be used in the summer to buy for the first team.
Those figures only show the financial situation at the time with the Carroll money included. None of the financial publications stated Carrolls money would be used to pay off previous transfers. It doesn’t because Ashley said so and there was not another statement from the board about the Carroll cash until near the end of the summer window.
To clarify, those financials DO NOT reflect where the Carroll cash was being invested just how much profit/loss we had made in the previous 12 months. It’s not a hard concept. I get it but I’m getting less surprised how you don’t.
READ MY LIPS. £55m sales £25m purchases.
THE CASH SHOULD BE THERE.
You then ask;
How much of it would you like to see used to pay off the club’s massive debts on the stadium and past transfers?
Ashley has stated in the past he would invest £10m per season out of the revenue for players.
Where is that cash? What I expect is when Pardew states he wants a CB that he doesn’t have to wait a year and still wait. That is likely to have scuppered our CL chances.
It’s not a case of splashing all the cash in one go but to use it wisely and I see no reason why that purchase has not been used out of the transfer kitty made since Carroll was sold.
Have you been one of the majority for criticising the board for not buying a CB?
What is done with the TV deal cash, sponsorship and other revenue streams?
Should that not be reinvested in the matters you name?
He seems hell bent on ridding the debt as soon as he can.
I have a mortgage but it’s manageable over 25 years.
Due to Ashley’s bad character, numerous attempts to sell, (I’m waiting for the next advert to apply to buy the club by email).
Now finally, there’s a brand new Grip shop opened in Tynedale. Get yourself down there and get one. !
Andy-Aye. And considering our return season featured a 6-0 thrashing of the team that relegated us, a 5-1 smashing of local rivals who were “years ahead of us” and a 4-4 draw which is regarded as one of the best matches in PL history well…i’d take our shite hoofball football (which it was half the time) in which we put on real entertainment over Swansea spending 3/4 of their away matches playing for the draw.
But that’s just me
Like you say, crazy how much they want rodgers over hodgson, maybe they’re just getting used to low profile managers. Lord knows they’ll need to
Christ BB and Troy, your family gatherings must be a fucking nightmare
Troy:
“Ashley stated at the point of sale that all the Carroll cash would be used in the summer to buy for the first team.”
This is false. http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/newcastle-united/nufc-news/2011/02/02/andy-carroll-cash-will-be-reinvested-pardew-72703-28094252/
Pardew claimed that he’d gotten an assurance from Ashley that the money would be “reinvested” into “the team”. Assuming that he didn’t have the wrong end of the stick, that could still mean all sorts of things, including youth transfers, infrastructure and wages.
I’m not defending the fat man – indeed, I remember this because I was angry about the weasel formulation at the time – but you need to keep the facts straight.
Too true Newkie
But Troy, the article you keep quoting states that the “Carroll money” will be reinvested in the team. So obviously you are taking team as purely transfers, fine, whatever.
“Ashley stated at the point of sale that all the Carroll cash would be used in the summer to buy for the first team.”
“READ MY LIPS. £55m sales £25m purchases.
THE CASH SHOULD BE THERE.”
But they never say anything about the Nolan/Enrique transfers.
So really adjusting your figures:
£35M Sales. £25M Purchases
Which including agent fees would surpass the the Carroll revenue.
Check mate.
Please stop bitching about the Carroll money now.
The board found a 20 goal a season replacement striker (two in fact) for a third of the price, they strengthened the team incredibly so and are entitled to reduce the clubs debt, some of which was caused by them and some by Shepherd.
@Wellington
I thought investment in the team, meant investment in the team.
Wow! It must mean investment in the youth, reserves, tea ladies.
That’s why we are looking at Anita the tea lady then.
You sound as if you need to get down the grip shop and get one as well.
Heard it all now
Are we better than this time last season? YES
Are we better than this time the season before that? YES
Are we better than any season since about 2002/2003? YES
Are people still fucking moaning? YES
@Solano
@Jon R
I agree with all the yes’s
Is Toonsy away or summit?
Jon R-Agreed….the quality we have right now is pretty outstanding for a club only two seasons out of the CC….even if we did keep gems like Colo
Is Toonsy away or summit? Anyone?
Nee idea Troy, just working I assume.
Troy I think Toonsy works away elsewhere in europe, hence his absence from the blog…
He’s probably just bored shitless of all these inane “debates”.
I know we had a bit of a hiccup against Cardiff, but we’ll be up for it against the Spuds. Fancy a draw myself…
Can see a player coming in during the last August week…once all the cafuffle has died down…
I’m thinking of organising a get together before one of the matches this season. Will I get lynched?
Troy I wouldn’t think so mate, suppose it depends if you wore your gold lame string tanga…
Maybe Toonsy internet has gone , I think that is what happened last time a bit of a delay in articles.
Yeah agree with Jon r @ 415 we have improved and come so far in a few years. Hoepfully we continue as we have had.
Newkie @410 Your right about family gatherings, and often the pub is in uproar.
Just got back from the kid’s footie training, getting texts all the way from Troy urging me to read his latest blog that he seems dead pleased with.
Troy – You said you are still waiting for the Carroll money to be spent (£35M). You’re living in cloud cuckoo land if you think the club are going to spend £35M on headline transfers.
You say the accounts are irrelevant. The accounts show we made a profit of £5M and that included the Carroll receipt. This was because we had a massive deficit on transfers brought forward. So where has your Carroll money gone?
Llambias has consistently been slithery over the transfer pot available following the Carroll sale, although he does make some half valid points about contracts and agents fees as opposed to headline figures. If you think Llambias is intending to up the borrowings in order to provide the pot of £30M that you expect us to spend, you’re living in cloud cuckoo land, fella.
Do you not understand the current economic reality where prudent people are striving to pay off their borrowings not increase them? Why should NUFC be any different?
You keep saying you have answered every point. When I ask how much of “your £30M” that you claim is sitting in the bank do you want spent on players and by when, and how much of it would you like to see used to pay off the club’s massive debts on the stadium and past transfers, your answer is you want a centre back! No figures. No idea. Pathetic, particularly when you make such a song and dance about how you have answered my every question.
I think the club is being run very prudently these days, and whilst I see a strong need for a centre back and left back, I believe the club are trying to strike a good deal. You have no patience, but what’s worse, you wont even nail your clours to the mast.
Finally, I note you have been criticised once again for putting the wrong words in the wrong people’s mouths. You really ought to concentrate on what is coming out your own mouth first, of course, because that statement about wage caps, which you still haven’t defended, was, to use your word, ludicrous.
Oh and Colin has said Anita is due to sign Thursday so im guessing that is going to drag on for another while
Transfer Thursday
Just been reading up on the Fletcher / Wolves issue. It seems more and more owners are just saying the same line ” so and so has 3 years left of his contract, our valuation hasn’t been met so he’s staying with us etc etc “… ditto Debuchy, Modric etc.. Interesting stuff, not sure how it will end. At the end of the day not sure how much the player can do about it apart from get a lip on…
Munich Mag says:
August 14, 2012 at 21:02
Troy I think Toonsy works away elsewhere in europe, hence his absence from the blog…
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That plus he has a youngin at home.
I’ve been thinking that we should pitch in and draft a couple of articles for him….
Troy don’t let them grind you down lad
, stick to your guns and fight the good fight 
So have we signed anyone today ? is Anita getting his medical
or has he failed it 
MDS…I think he would appreciate that mate. This last article is lasting quite a while. Reminds me of the halcyon days of the 600 hit articles…happy days…
MDS get writing then Lad but please don’t make it a Jabba love in
In regards to our financially dealings I think its quite simple , the club will generate in the region of £80 million a year. The club will not spend a penny over that. They will try spend under that to make a bit of profit as that is what Mike ( or 99% of owners ) will try and do. I dont see anything wrong with that. And from where I sit that is why we stick to our valuation of players as we cant afford to go over budget. It can be frustrating esp since we were all used to the club paying the ‘ going rate ‘ for a player but those days are long gone and we do seem to be a lean mean fighting club.
Dave- Thought I’d write one about how it’s about time that some of you move on and get behind the club
@B&B
Again you come out with bluster as if I’m under the spotlight.
You made the original sweeping statement about most if not all the money has been spent. The only figures you can’t out with were irrelevant.
I’ve explained why and does not need explaining again to the fellow bloggers. It was clearer enough but you still couldn’t get it.
The great thing is, you answer with questions.
I don’t have a figure how much I want to spend. I simply state we have needed a CB for over a year and that cash should have been made available. It still hasnt, yet we have a surplus of £30m in transfers.
Very relevant point unlike your out of date publication.
No surprise from that having read your previous posts and your difficulty in grasping simple issues
At no time have I stated that the club is being run well, but have
You found the pin for the tree yet ?
I fail to see why you brought that in the debate in the first instance. It wasn’t about my opinions on how much of the cash should be spent, it was about you identifying where the cash had gone.
I’ve pointed this out to you over the years that you try to muddy the waters as you struggle to answer the original question posed.
I’ve never disagreed regarding the club being run well. I’ve just pointed out that the cash should be made available for a CB or another player should Pardew request it.
Again, I say this based on the surplus in transfers we’ve made in a relatively short period of time.
I fail to see why this was raised as well other than to muddy the waters.
You are desperate to change the subject to wage caps as its the same tactics. Until I’m satisfied that you understand that you are wrong on this subject then I refuse to move on.
That’s called letting you off the hook and I don’t do that
Finally, you say I have been accused of putting the wrong words in other peoples mouths. Could you highlight where that is I was not aware of the accusation.
I did accuse JJ (your ally) that he misquoted me about Cisse . I said completely the opposite what he intimated and he scurried off never to be seen again.
So answer me those two pointers.
Why you are bringing other subjects into it which were not part of the original debate and who have I misquoted?
This is what Vurnon’s father has told Voetbal International:
“We have an offer from Newcastle United but we are not in Newcastle yet.” “Newcastle and Ajax have agreed a fee but Vurnon wants to know what plans the Newcastle head coach (Pardew) has for him.
“Will Vurnon play at right-back? or left back? or in the midfield?” “These are important questions for Vurnon in making his final decision. He doesn’t know the answer yet.”
“Vurnon is free on Tuesday, but we have not received an invitation from Newcastle United to come to England.” “For now, we will just stay in the Netherlands.”
“If the conversation between the head coach of Newcastle United and Vurnon goes in a positive manner, then the move can go through.” “It may be done within a week.”
Johno any club needs to be willing to pay the going rate if they want good players, yeah we have had a few bargains but you can’t structure the club around just buying bargain players because we’ll end up relegated again when our top player get fuked off because we arn’t bringing any new players in. So I don’t agree at all with ” we were all used to the club paying the ‘ going rate ‘ for a player but those days are long gone ”
We used to pay over the top for players and I agree that them days are over
Big D…the cloggy’s normally drive a hard bargain. Surely the lad won’t turn around and accept an improved Ajax contract ? Some serious lack of ambition if he does….
It’s got to be just a matter of time before he’s wearing the famous black and white stripes. I have a good feeling about this transfer. The prospect of Anita, Marveaux and Ben Arfa plying there trade on the left with there twinkle toes is a mouth watering prospect. You cannot have enough left footers in a team.
MDS @ 435 I would makesure you put your helmet on then
Troy-Nah mate you’d be alright. You might have to town it down a bit mind, reel in the “woo hoo hoo’s” a bit
B+B-Haha, I can imagine mate
MM
does it matter if they’re a left footer thats just religious discrimination 
Johno Toon how @434 how do you come up with the figure 80M pounds a year. The revenue has been much higher than that, even in the Championship season. Deloitte’s figure for 2010 was 95M pounds or thereabouts and there is a huge increase coming from the new TV contract. I’m just wondering what the 80M pound figure represents?
Troy @ 437 so we have agreed a fee but haven’t even got in touch with the guy yet
wtf is the club playing at ? is this another Mr Maiga that fails his medical 
Munich-Imo the player can do a lot, but it depends on whether they’re willing to put their reputation on the line. Ben Arfa did, it may well have cost him his place in the french squad as Dechamps is there now.
Most other players either “lack the balls” or perhaps have a certain amount more “professionalism” about them, depends on your viewpoint.
Big Dave-SSN reported Anita had just changed agent, and that that agent was discussing terms/would be brining him to SJP soon.
@437. That was an article from yesterday…
See Northampton turned Cardiff over tonight. How the mighty have fallen….
Big D…I thought you would like the “left footer” bit..
Geordietwo @443 I could of sworn I read we had £80 million or so coming in , my apoloigies if that incorrect ( I didnt check it when I wrote the post ) but my arguement would stay the same , If we earned £100 million a season we wont spend a penny money.
Dave 438 yeah I know what you mean about not just looking in the bargin bin but I think the money is there for right player such as Cisse. Right got to run just finished work!
Newkie@45….dread the thought that the player take a drop in salary or whatever “could” be done to make a trasnfer happen…
The morale of the story is the old “who wants to have an unhappy player on there books ?” line. The Llille bloke played the psychological card about Debuchy having to do his best to retain his place in the French team…
I suppose every player is different, but regarding for example Modric, his valuation seems to increase the longer the transfer window progresses, with Spurs being the winners at the end of the day.
My mistake Johno I see the Deloitte value is 98M euros which would be 80M pounds. However for this season I still think we will earn in excess of 90M pounds because the TV contract is huge now with the bottom place team supposedly to receive almost 60M pounds and with some money coming from competition in the Europa League. Given that we have brought in 3.6 M pounds more than we have spent on transfers this summer alone it it ridiculous in my mind to continue to try to lowball teams or to haggle with players to the last pound. I hope Anita is not asking for ridiculous money because that is a different kettle of fish. I just find the whole approach by Llambias to be unsettling. It will be harder and harder for him to negotiate with clubs if he continues to come in with lowball offers as far as I can see. What is the point considering we have one of the best head scouts in the world which automatically means clubs raise their valuations when we approach them? I’m also concerned when I see Pardew claiming that clubs in general are wildly overvaluing their players (as if we haven’t in the past and will continue to do).
MM I didn’t think you would know about that
@B&B
I’m using a mobile to post so my paragraphs in the middle got jumbled and it’s difficult to review what I’ve wrote before posting.
@Big Dave
It doesn’t sound professional regarding arrangements and contact with the player.
Munich-Do me a favour! A player take a wage cut? Well, I suppose according to Steve Wraith we have a number of CL and international players under 20k, Pards might have the silver tongue like
I guess in some instances like Deb he may be unwilling to risk his reputation in France and so his international career, but if he’s as desperate as he sounds to leave….and he may have a better chance at getting it/keeping it if he performs here, like Benny. Imo, its all about money.
As for modric, well Spurs know Real will pay ridiculous money, and Levy is used to being a tight bastard. I’m surprised they’re risking so much on Modric though….their fans went ballistic at him (and most of their squad) for about 3/4 months straight last season and they all seem to hate him now. If they play him and he doesn’t perform, they lose out on the pitch. If they drop him, it gives him a reason to cause yet more trouble and in both instances it significantly reduces the transfer fee….not all rosey for spuds.
Troy @ 454 what do you expect from Lambastad
The whole thing with Anita makes it sound as if the deal is still in the preliminary stages. If the club haven’t invited him over to talk that doesn’t make any sense at all. Either that or it is a stalling tactic by Anita to try to drive his wage up. In any case it clearly won’t work. I would imagine they are offering him in the region of 35K a week? I think that would leave room for an improved wage later in the season if his performances are outstanding. I can’t see him getting more than that to start with so if he is asking for 50K a week or more we won’t be seeing him in black and white. I hope this isn’t the case.
@G2
Is that right? £60m for the lowest placed team.
That is a huge amount. Surely can’t be that much.?
GEORDIETWO a few good points made there Lad
I think Anita is wanting to know what position Pards wants him to play in more than what he’ll be paid by the sounds of it.
Kim I think in this day and age the agent etc know how much clubs are willing to sell and buy for and what wages would be on offer
Kimtoon-Aye, and whether he’ll be first team presumably..
Though I can understand he would want assurances ,I hope he’s not gonna be the type who gets hissy if you ask him to play a less favored position in an emergency situation. Also Pards may want to switch formations to suit the opposition . More questions than answers at the mo on this transfer ,not at all sure it will go through tbh.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/jun/13/premier-league-tv-rights-3-billion-sky-bt. Troy here is one link. It claims that each team will earn at least 14M pounds more per year and that by the 2013-2014 season the bottom place club will earn more than the 60.6M pounds that Man City received last season as champions. It’s an unbelievable amount of money. Ashley must be rubbing his hands with glee. The contract is for 3 years.
@Newkie
This is absolutely normal craic for me and my bro.
No harm in it just brotherly love
We cause utter chaos when we are out on the drink together and try to get everyone else involved. I’ve seen us on many occasion walk into a quiet pub and within an hour the place is jumping and everyone is putting their two penneth worth in.
We must walk out and the locals look at each and say ” who f£&k are those two idiots!
Can you imagine if we lose out on this guy too. That will be De Jong, Debuchy ,a fairytale bid for Carroll and Anita
We’ll probably end up with nutjob Douglas and noone else 
G2 @464 ,Bugger ,that’s a lot of money.Which begs the question ,why the feck are we pissing about over an extra 1 to 2m for a french international like Debuchy
That deal starts next season doesn’t it not this year?
If reports are to be believed he played a whole season and more at LB and played there for Holland as well…doubt he’d be that fussy. But he would want to know where and how often he’d be played, considering we’re in need of a full back but not a midfielder..
Kim well it won’t be long to wait now then we’ll know what true ambitions Jabba has for the club, because he has a real chance this yr and should grab it with both hands, because if he doesn’t we might struggle to get the chance again.
Also remeber a quote from last week Anita saying that a pay rise would come into effect in a few months if he performed well? That may have been his old agent though. Any way sounds confident in his own ability if he willing to take on such a deal.
Kimtoon every time I see a quote from Pardew it makes me think we won’t be bringing in some of these players. I think Debuchy is probably already a lost cause with Llambias at the table for us and Anita seems to be hanging by a thread but that may be his own fault for getting too greedy. The whole Carroll story is a red herring. We would never pay him anywhere near 75 or 80K a week and he would never accept close to a 50% wage reduction. If we bring in more than 1 player by the end of the window I will be surprised. If our defense is as porous as it was against Cardiff (I don’t think it will be) Llambias will be a laughing stock with the supporters again and that will probably send him off on another drinking binge and rant.
Ideally Pieters, M’Biawa, Anita and Remy. Settle for Douglas, Debuchy, Anita & any striker. Expect none of the above.
To me it’s not clear from the article premanup. Even if it begins in the 2013-2014 season we should be planning and spending to put is in position to reap the maximum reward. A top 5 finish would probably put us in the 65M-70M pound a year TV income bracket. Our total income would be somewhere in excess of 100M pounds a year conservatively even if we weren’t in Champions League football. Brilliant, but only if we spend properly as other clubs are doing.
GEORDIETWO I have always maintained that Lambastad was one of the main problems with our club, he might know about finances etc but knows fuk all about Footie, and footie finances when it comes to transfer etc is nowt like casino finances, I also think from what I have read that he has a major personality problem where he thinks he can treat footie people like a gambler that ask’s for an account or run’s up a bill.
.org….. some crying going on over there…
Would have been thrilled with just Mbiwa through the door and nobody out, but I never had much hope
I think you’re probably right Big Dave @475. At least some of the time I think Llambias takes the wrong approach in transfer dealings (based on many of his comments in the press) and has cost us several very good signings. I can’t find much out about Charnley but surely he has a more reasonable approach that would be more successful? I suppose we will never know for sure unless someone like Charnley spills the beans after leaving the club (not likely to happen now that we are successful I know). Still hoping we are being premature and we actually make 2 or 3 very good signings but the comments from Pardew suggest otherwise.
G2 @472
at that last bit,I can see it now 
Troy
Just got back from footie, very tired, I’ll answer you tomorrow……
Dave @470 Exactly ,we’ll wait for the fat lady until we start our riot.
troy, troy, troy, troy – You said you are still waiting for the Carroll money to be spent. You now say, “I don’t have a figure how much I want to spend. I simply state we have needed a CB for over a year and that cash should have been made available. It still hasnt, yet we have a surplus of £30m in transfers.”
So now you’re not waiting for the Carroll money to be spent; you’re just waiting for the club to buy a centre back? They’ve already bought one, and you might be saying by Christmas he’s the best centre back in the club. We know they’re looking at Douglas, and I reckon that transfer is more likely than the Debuchy one. So what’s your problem?
Instead of buying a centre back last time, we spent £10M or so on Cisse and I know which I’d rather have first.
If we have a loss on player transfers brought forward at the point the Carroll profit comes in, where do you take into account that loss in your figures? You just want to draw a line from the Carroll receipt forward because it suits you. You expect the club to pay £30M on players, or if you don’t, you’ve modified your position.
You say, “I fail to see why you brought that in the debate in the first instance. It wasn’t about my opinions on how much of the cash should be spent, it was about you identifying where the cash had gone.”
It was all about you saying how much cash there was (all the Carroll cash) and about you waiting for it to be spent. In short, I was saying the cash wasn’t there because the club have chosen to be prudent and net off gains against previous years’ losses. Essentially, I wanted to know why you were waiting for the Carroll cash to be spent when it wasn’t there; Llambias has given enough hints FFS. Also, I didn’t know why you waiting for us to spend it when it would be better to do the prudent thing and pay down some of the debts and put the club on a firmer financial footing; everyone is trying to do it these days, fella. Get off that fantasy train and step into the real world of personal, corporate and global finance for a moment. The best you can say is that you’re impatient for a centre back. I’ve said it before on here, Rome wasn’t built in a day.
As for misquotes, you apologised to someone who pulled you up (JJ, I think), and had no come back to Wellington as I recall. You’re now making excuses about your mobile.
GEORDIETWO I don’t really think it matters what Charnley is like because I would imagine Lambastad will be the main man and Charnley probably just sits in the background taking notes like most Secretaries do
Haha, class about Northampton. Got a career on FIFA with them so have a soft spot for em’. Same with Hartlepool, hope it was Akinfenwa that scored, he’s beast but slow as fuck.
Those could be very interesting notes indeed if they eventually get leaked to the press Big Dave.
The whole Debuchy story is just ridiculous with us making an initial bid of less than 4M pounds! What on earth was Llambias thinking or was he busy washing his tonsils with some tasty ale at the time? Llambias must be a laughing stock with European clubs by now. He might as well just hang a sign around his neck saying warning: club fool approaching.
GEORDIETWO or a sign saying don’t fuk with me cause i’m a right nasty fuker, saying that I think he would make a good buyer for a 2nd car dealership
Llambias and Mikey may be evil b*stards, and I’ve hated them for what they’ve done in the past, but I have to concede they have done fantastically well in giving us a team to be proud of.
Look at the Mackems. I cannot believe they’ve offered £14M for Fletcher. I hope they get him.
So pleased we kept away from Sturridge. He was crap in the Olympics. What was Pearce thinking about not taking a proven goalscorer. That was our downfall and it was blatantly obvious before we started – the Beckham brouhaha was a red herring.
Sad but true Big Dave @486! I agree with B&B that we have a team to be proud of but just wish we could bring in a proper managing director who people could look up to. I just can’t do that with Llambias. Too much water and frustration under the bridge. The end of last summer’s transfer window was a perfect example.
I don’t mind Lambiase running the financial side of things as he seems to have done well. Plus from everything we have heard, he doesn’t identify targets or anything. But I think he should stay out of the negotiations with purchases as he seems to rub people the wrong way.
I seriously doubt this Anita deal will come off. We shouldn’t be giving him any guarantees about whether he will play never mind where he will play. It sounds like the kid might be a bit of a prima donna, and if so, we should keep well clear.
That might work MDS @489 but I don’t think we will ever have the chance to find out. He just looks sneaky and untrustworthy to me and has behaved that way in the past (the helicopter is ready and waiting to pick up Bryan Ruiz etc etc).
Llambias is a grade a c*nt. That being said if he just did his job and kept out of the headlines and bragging all the time, I don’t think i’d get so angry with him.
MDS @489 He should stop streaking across the pitch as well, and if he must negotiate, he should keep his clothes on.
It really depends on what the actual facts are B&B. We never really hear the complete unvarnished truth because both sides are maneuvering to get the best possible deal. I think it will come down to the wage and he is beginning to sound greedy. Playing position can be modified over time if he turns out to be fantastic but once he signs to a wage that will be the base rate from which all further negotiations proceed.
Amazing how people on blogs think their opinion is fact.
Llambias might not be everybody’s favourite guy on here. That, of course, doesn’t mean he is disliked by directors of other footbal teams, at least any more or less than any other director is.
Guessing at what Anita’s thoughts are does not make them real.
Projecting your fears onto Ashley does not make them Ashley’s thoughts.
Guessing at what goes on in transfer negotiations does not mean what you think is truth.
Trying to work out a balance sheet without half the figures is just plain ridiculous.
‘With our minds we create the world’. I knew we had a good collection of closet idealists on this blog but didn’t realise there were so many Buddhists.
B&B @ 493
I dont know – if he used that tactic on me i’d do just about anything to get the ugly f*ckers clothes back on
probably only me Bris
@B&B
You’ve done it again haven’t you. Your very first paragraph always sets you up for s fall.;
troy, troy, troy, troy – You said you are still waiting for the Carroll money to be spent. You now say, “I don’t have a figure how much I want to spend. I simply state we have needed a CB for over a year and that cash should have been made available. It still hasnt, yet we have a surplus of £30m in transfers.”
Twisting quotes again. You must stop doing this it makes you look deceitful. Have I once said I wanted all the Carroll money spent?
Or have I maintained the money is there to spend should Pardew need it for instance on a CB which he’s been wanting for over a year and still hasn’t got one.
Q.1. Please can you produce the quote where I said I want all the Carroll money spent.
You then state we’ve already bought a CB and he might be the best in the club by Xmas.
I’m only aware of nominal fee players being bought so far and don’t expect them to be better than Colo or Taylor by Xmas 2015 nevermind this Xmas.
Q.2 Have we ? Who is this CB that you believe is up to the standard to step in the first team now which is what we need.?
You then go on and question why I believe the cash should be there when Llambias has hinted enough it’s not there.
Wow! You’ve really lost all sense of reality at this stage. Of course I know what Mr. Lambastard is saying you numpty. He has told us repeatedly the money is invested in the club. I’m telling you the cash promised originally was to be used solely on the team not dug out seats.
Q.3. Why did you ask me a question that we knew the answer to at the very first post I sent you over 48hrs ago? We all know what the club are saying you numpty. It was Cisse or a CB cos there’s no money.
I’m questioning why there was no money when we have a surplus of £25m -£30m on transfers since Carroll was sold.
You then tell me to be patient as Rome wasnt built in a day.
Who is asking for the club to spend enough to build a Rome? Be patient? Am I not just stating that money should have been made available to buy a CB of quality and we might have been one step closer to building Rome by being in the CL.
Q4. Tell me why that is so wrong.?
Finally, you accused me of misquoting someone in your last post and advised me to check what comes out of my mouth before criticising others.
I replied to that and stated I had never misquoted anyone Anns pointed out JJ misquoted me.
Q5 why did you just reply and suggest you thought i misquoted JJ?
JJ never accused me of misquoting him. I accused him of doing it to me.
As far as Wellington goes. I can only assume you haven’t read his post either? If you have then no one was accusing anyone of misquoting.
Finally, you need to reflect on how foolish you are coming across as not only is it showing you up but also me as I can’t believe you are Les’ Grandson.
@B&B
Please answer my questions without asking a question.
Everyone is noticing you do that.
I’ve highlighted it again cos you don’t want to know as B&B Bungling Boris.
Answer them first and if you have questions leave them to the end. I’m more than happy to respond.
Big D @475, I agree 100% regarding our manager Lambias. No matter how well he does his job, and no-one really knows that at the end of the day, perhaps he is really good at what he does. However, the big issue with me, is that on more than one occassion the bloke has behaved in a way that is derogatory and misdemeaning of the traditions of the club and the thousands of people who associate themselves as fans of the club. Unfortunately, no matter what he does afterwards, he can never rid himself of that tag, because he has lost the respect of the man on the street. That is the big issue as far as I am concerned. It stands to reason that all things negative will be heaped on his shoulders, failing to get players over the line,etc etc, and all good things land at someone elses door. However, he has made his own bed imo, whether he’s bothered about upsetting and alienating the fans…who knows ?
Wehey the 500 club…
now they are saying the anita deal is up in the air
Batty, maybe the club are trying to force the blokes hand…or force Debuchy….or…who knows ffs…
At the end of the day Anita and Debuchy are internationals, they need to be treat in the right way I would imagine. 
and expect to earn the money associated with an international footballer. Looks like wor lot will also play hard ball, with the upshot being we bring no-one in. Makes you wonder why we even try in the first place.. 
MM why is the upshot that we bring no-one in? Maybe the upshot is that all parties will find a happy medium.
http://www.football365.com/news/21554/7990401/Sullivan-Carroll-snubbed-West-Ham
My my, what’s this?
Andy Carroll’s club accepts a bid for him and he turns it down. I wonder why he didn’t do that with us? Oh, because he handed in a transfer request, wanting to leave.
Guess if West Ham stayed up and his transfer was made permanent his wages would be lower.
Wish the lad all the best in his career. Would love to have a geordie england number 9. But he’s a lying judas, he forced the move and this rejection puts to bed all the “he wasn’t wanted here, Ashley forced him out” talk.
Btw I’m not saying he was wrong to do it. The amount of money Liverpool spent over the last year should make them title challengers. However I find issue with former players trying to stir sh!t given how easy it is to manipulate negative board reactions from the fans because of the history.
Christ apologies for bringing up old ground. That’s the last thing we need right now
brisvegas@504 I know you are more a look on the positive side type of guy, and in fact me too. I actually said as much in the first part of my posting, which you may have misread…
At the end of the day, we all hope to get some good players in. However, there is a reason why Debuchy, Anita et al haven’t jumped ship yet. Whereas without doubt there may be some hard ball negotiations going on, we are talking about squillion euro investments, so I suppose hard balling is part of the deal… Someone needs to blink at the end of the day and sing on the dotted line. We all know a pet hate of Ashley / Pardew etc is the crazy fees involved in football these days… If it was my squillions I would also tend to tread wearily…
Bris – It’s a tricky one that the paying customer, i.e. the fan, has no influence on the purchasing strategies of the club. I suppose at the end of the day any club owner is playing with a portion of the fans money too, or do people see it as ALL Ashley and the clubs money, cos he’s the owner at the end of the day…… ?
@yrumpet
Totally different circumstances for Carroll and you full well know it.
@Troy
Aye different because Carroll wanted to go and handed in a transfer request.
Otherwise please describe the differences?
MM Fair enough. I don’t know if I’m a positive sort of guy; I just don’t see why the default has to be negative.
The truth is that it wouldn’t surprise me at all if we ended up with nobody. And I don’t have much time for Ashley or Llambias, and agree with all the people who think they are slimy bastards. However, I don’t see any need to say it at every opportunity.
MM I agree the fans pay so much towards the running of the club, yet the fans have no say in nowt and are basically treated like dirt. Look at the way they have treated the fans and local community they just steam roll there way over them with no thought or consideration for them.
As for Pards coming out and saying that the club haven’t made the signings yet because of agents and clubs pricing the shit out of the transfer market, but still we done that with Carroll so we didn’t exactly help the crazy prices of players.
“Troy Stavers
August 14, 2012 at 14:47
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I’m waiting for JJ to tell us his thoughts on Barfa as he stated he was overrated in January and not a team player.
Still overrated JJ ?”
In all honestly Troy, I’m still not convinced by Ben Arfa.
He has scored some imcredible goals, and he has by far the best technical ability as an attacker in our squad. He also seemed to up his work rate a bit.
But he only really played for half a season. He went off to Euros, and caused shit in the squad. I guess as long as he behaves for us I don’t care.
I guess we’ll be able to tell after the first few months of this season if he behaves and applies himself.
This money thing gets me. Given that we now operate to balanced books (or to a profit) surely ALL the money the club deals with comes from us?
Ticket sales: us
Merchandise: us
Sponsorship: sponsors, who recoup their money by selling their gear to… us.
TV fees, which Sky et al recoup from license sales to.. us… and to pubs, who recoup their costs through beer sales to… us.
So that’d be us, then.
When you consider that every penny that goes to the likes of Debuchy’s agent (no doubt a scumbag like all of ‘em) is money we have gone to do our shite jobs every day to earn, Ashley’s famous brinkmanship and hardball tactics seem fantastic.
Anyone disagree?
So according to nufc.com we have a lot of fitness worries for the Spurs game:
Going into this game, Alan Pardew has injury concerns over Hatem Ben Arfa (knee), Demba Ba (shin), Papiss Cisse (knee), Yohan Cabaye (fitness), Fabricio Coloccini and Cheick Tiote (both calf).
What do you think the chances of all or none of them being available?
It would be a hard game with those guys missing!
Yay, Whumpie. Workers of the world unite.
Big Dave, no one on here can agree on anything so it is probably a good thing that we have no say in the running of the club
Whumpie will you still think his hardballing tactics are fantastic if we don’t get the CB we have needed for 2 transfer windows now or the Striker we need badly from we got rid of Best and Lovens because if/when the Dembas go to ACON we will struggle to win games, so if we dont challenge for top 6 this season will that be fantastic ?
@Trumpet
The big difference is he was inexperienced without being an established England CF and was on a relatively small contract at Newcastle.
Liverpool at the point of buying were in the ascendancy and he was offered a very lucrative contract which set him up for life.
Newcastle told him they would not even discuss an increase on his reported £28k per week until the summer.
Football careers are short and can be over in one game.
He had a choice to go to a prestigious club that were showing ambition.
Unfortunately for Carroll and Liverpool it didn’t work out. (though I’m happy it didn’t for Liverpool).
He has since established himself as an England player and was starting to show the form he displayed at the Toon.
Why would he leave to go to West Ham? They are hardly a step up whereas it could be argued Liverpool was when he was at the Toon.
He may be holding out for a move back to the Toon for all we know and turned WH down for that reason.
It’s another bitter statement against a person you really don’t know anything about.
Over to you.
Whumpie I agree. Agent fees are a disgrace. West Ham spent ££20 million on agent fees over the last year. Shocking stuff. If a player wants someone to represent them they should pay them themselves. Agents are a blight in the game and until that gravey train is dealt with us the fans will suffer from it
There is an interesting debate Aussie. Other the Toonsy, Which person on this blog would you want sitting on the Nufc board?
@JJ
Fair do’s. It’s an opinion I don’t agree with as I believe he is the most exciting player at the club and someone we should build the team around.
Each has their own opinions on players and that’s fair enough.
Have you noted in my previous post that I did not criticise Cisse as you suggested? I had taken the opposite stance and congratulated the club on buying him.
I note you haven’t apologised for misquoting me.
@Big Dave @518: Simple answer: if we continue do to well, yes.
Just like this time last year, when people were slagging them off, and the year before that… and each year they surpass expectations and their targets. And each year we bring out the “End of the World is Nigh” bedsheets again.
I think the club have comprehensively proven that they are way better at this than we want to give them credit for. If they end up with no CB, it is because they couldn’t land one for a deal that was better than making do with what we have. It’s called risk balancing, and they appear to be masters of it.
@Premandup
Can you vote for yourself?
Troy them reasons for Carroll turning down the Hammers seems pretty obvious.
Aussie yeah I agree but there is quite a bit fans do agree on ie level 7 should have stayed, and the grounds name should never have been changed.
Big D@512, no disrespect mate, but the majority of fans on the blog seem to be ex-pats of some form or another, and we all bring our own emotional state into the equation of all things toon.
Although I pretty much know the answers I wonder what the real feeling is on Tyneside on the eve of the new season. As far as I can gather Troy and B&B may be in a position to comment, but they spend all day bitch slapping each other… How about the rest of the bloggers who reside in the goldfish bowl ? Come on down…
@Troy
So you agree with me basically.. HE HAD A CHOICE.
I’ve said in the past that I don’t begrudge Jose and Carroll moves to Liverpool: they are a bigger club, were showing more ambition and were paying more.
Even don’t mind Nolan: as you say, football careers can end in an instance, people are entitled to move for money if they see fit.
But I do oppose to players blaming the move on the club. Just admit you wanted to go. He came out with this “tell the fans I didn’t want to go, tell them I was forced out” tripe and people lapped it up.
Rossco
Gees Rossco, that’s basically a list of our best players
@Big Dave
My point is that those who claim he was forced out to Liverpool can actually now see that it was his own choice as he quite easily turned down West Ham.
Big D@152, I agree with most of what you’re saying, but regarding the crazy transfer fees we, i.e. the current regime, are untouchable as far as I’m concerned. That some radgies thought about paying 35 mill for Carroll is another issue. This is an old debate, but aside from the emotional aspect, the financial merits of the Carroll sale have been debated up the ying-yang…
Troy,
Still not convinced it wasn’t though. 
Hahahaha, I havn’t had time (and won’t) to go through the archives to check. If it wasn’t you I apologise.
Aussie Magpie Fan@517, I disagree with you there mate. Most of us agree, it’s just the ones who don’t agree, they are the big problem. I’m not sure if you agree with me though.
@JJ
It’s not hard to do. Type in google “Troy Stavers Cisse” and there are plenty of quotes.
All favourable as soon as he was bought.
Is Toonsy on holiday? We need a new post!
Troy@533, that doesn’t always work…
, maybe you know someone who can delete the contentious quotations from the Blog for you. If you need some help Big D can give you the name of someone who can help you out 
Munich. I think I am the problem. I find myself in two minds over my ambivalence towards the conflicted nature of my divided opinions.
Wow. I’m really fucked up.
@Trumpet
That is the lamest response today.
Any player can stay put if they are on a contract. Just ask Xisco.
I don’t believe for one second that Ashley asked his bodyguards to escort Carroll out the ground. Carroll is not suggesting anything other than he was left in an untenable situation.
If Carroll remains at Liverpool come the end of this window then you will have a point. I really don’t believe that will be the case though and he is waiting out for a better deal.
I believe he will be forced out and you will need to apologise to Mr Andrew Thomas Carroll for making rash judgements.
If he remains at Liverpool then I will apologise to you and you called it correct.
Fair do’s?
I think I may have just come up with a pleonastic tautology.
Look those two up and you’ve got a gag to impress any intellectual ponce…
Spoke to my journo pal about anita deal last night……he knows nothing about the deal which is odd and said he thinks something more sinister going on… Great eh!
On a more positive note pards is still convinced apparently that a new striker will come in even after anita.
However I would have thought a CB is priority as both taylor and colo are prone to getting knocks……
Troy you have a deal
will give us both something else to agonise about apart from our own clubs current failings!
@rossco
think that is one of the big problems facing the blog at the minute. you’d think with three days until kick off that all our chat would be on starting line ups, unfortunately the number of possible injuries means that it is a pointless exercise.
Whumpie @ 536. It’s a clever sentence – and could even be considered a valid sentence, in the sense of you reflecting on a reflection.
A divided opinion doesn’t have to be in conflict; you can have two separate opinions that are not mutually exclusive, therefore that part of the sentence is valid. Further, you can be ambivalent about how you feel about that state of affairs, and on another level of reflection be in two minds about whether you care about that ambivalence.
So, there is no redundancy. Therefore the pleonastic tautology joke becomes semantically empty with regards to the sentence in question, and stands only as a gag within itself.
Intellectual ponces aren’t easily impressed.
SolanosTrumpet@541
As far as I can see the blog is ticking along just nicely, compared to other blogs… Also considering minimal input from Toonsy at the mo, for whatever reason, all of them good most probably.
Why should supposed injuries render a discussion about starting line-ups pointless ?
You’ve got me baffled there big man ….
@MM
Well I tried putting together the line up that I would play against Spurs together and couldn’t. A team with Cisse/Ba/Cabaye/Colo/Tiote/HBA doesn’t bear thinking about..
without*
Krul
Simpson; Saylor; Williamson; Santon
Marveaux; Perch; Gosling (Vuckic); Jonas
Obertan; Shola
With all those wonderful young guys who are ready to step up on the bench.
Just shows how much we need another 3 players.
Big Dave
August 15, 2012 at 10:33
“MM I agree the fans pay so much towards the running of the club, yet the fans have no say in nowt and are basically treated like dirt. Look at the way they have treated the fans and local community they just steam roll there way over them with no thought or consideration for them.”
So pretty much how it is at every other club then yeah?
Bris….@546…. what is your point ? The line up you quote would avoid defeat against Spurs, that’s for sure.
Take Cisse/Ba/Cabaye/Colo/Tiote/HBA out of the team and we’re struggling ? Thanks for pointing that out, probably most teams would struggle
Oops, sorry Bris, my post at 548 was incorrectly targetting yourself, although it somewhat does indirectly. It was more targetting Solano @544
The centre of midfield might struggle against Spurs and Chelsea.
It shouldn’t do too badly against the Greek guys in the Europa.
@MM
What?
My post wasn’t a slant against the board or anything?! Just noting why I don’t think we are talking about line ups. It’s true. You can’t talk about line ups without knowing the available players
As for avoiding defeat against Spurs with that lineup, I certainly wouldn’t part with any money for that bet. Saylor has scored more Premiership goals than the rest of the team put together bar Shola.
And the midfield would be completely overran.
Whumpie
August 15, 2012 at 11:51
“Is Toonsy on holiday? We need a new post!”
Nope, just busy with not much input from other writers at the moment
@Bris
Shola is our second highest goal scorer in Europe isn’t he? Saves it all up for the big occasions! Scored at Nou Camp and still doubted by his fans
Toonsy, just because you bitched I sent something through. Its been discussed but now there’s a specific thread for it
Just for the ones asking about Toonsy As most will know he works as a Coach driver on the continent most of the time, so I think he’s only home a day or so at a time and also with his new child I don’t think he has lots of spare time at the Mo, and if I remember rightly he was having to get work done on the house aswell.
So bare with him also there’s not really much happening, maybe if we got a new player or something he would make time but up to now that hasn’t happened.
Troy @ 537 ” If he remains at Liverpool then I will apologise to you and you called it correct.
Fair do’s?”
thats what I like to see a man that is prepared to apologise when he’s wrong
JJ – Wasn’t a bitch directly. I have two articles in drafts, three with yours, but haven’t had the time to edit them
Anyway, because Whumpie bitched there is a new article up
Cheers Dave
Basically what Dave says
Plus I’m not one to whip my fanny into a frenzy because we haven’t signed anyone yet
Toonsy ye fuker where did you appear from I just wrote a speech about you
On the other clubs lots of them have a fan groups or a rep they mightn’t take much notice of them but atleast it shows that they value the fans. Lambastad at every chance he seems to get is having a pop at the fans, not exactly what I would call fan friendly.
SolanosTrumpet@551 why are you jumping to conclusions, I absolutely didn’t mention a “slant at the board”, those are purely your own words…
I simply questioned your statement that we couldn’t discuss possible line ups due to possible injuries, nothing more, nothing less.
Read my post mate…
Do you read everything you believe in the Chronicle ? We’ll see on Saturday what is brinksmanship from AP and genuine injuries…
Big D…here in Germany the fan groups have a bit to say with the clubs, and actually communicate with the owners… It gives the fans a feeling of belonging to the club… I think the owners of Borussia Dortmund would have real trouble closing the 17,000 strong singing section without the fans having something to say…
I’ve seen them at first hand, they are real die-hard Ultras 
Big D@558, there you are trying to defend Toonsy when all the time he was lying around in the back garden getting a bronze on…
Bronze on?
It’s pissing down here man
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