Anita signs on the line
The 23-year-old joins from Ajax for a fee that is officially undisclosed but is believed to be in the region of £6.5 million. He will wear the number eight shirt recently vacated by Danny Guthrie.
Anita will go straight into the squad for the Premier League opener against Tottenham Hotspur on Saturday having undergone a full pre-season campaign with the Eredivisie Champions, and he even kicked off the defence of their title last week in the 2-2 draw with AZ Alkmaar.
Vurnon is a product of the famous Ajax academy and has spent 13 years at the Amsterdam club. He has become an integral part of the current Ajax team and his, now former, manager wasn’t overly happy about losing him. However he does leave with the blessing of Frank de Boer who insists his former midfielder will be a big hit for Newcastle United.
“Of course he goes to Newcastle United with my best wishes,” de Boer told The Chronicle. “He is one of the hardest working young players I have ever seen. He deserves a move to a club like Newcastle United.”
“For me he gave everything during his time here. He never complained once to me about having to drop back into another position. In training he works like he is playing a game and that it means everything. In the one and half years I worked with him he did not stop working. That is what has resulted in his transfer to Newcastle,” de Boer added.
“Newcastle fans will see a player who can deal with the game in England. He gives 300% for you. He is always concentrating on his game and he never ever gives up.”
Frank de Boer concluded by saying: “He has a bright future ahead. It is a great move by Newcastle United. They are a great club and have a good team. They are one of the biggest clubs in England and Vurnon can be very proud of the move.”
High praise indeed from the 112 times capped Netherlands international who spent the best years of his career with Ajax when they really were a force to be reckoned with in the 90′s before moving on to Barcelona. How about the views of Anita’s now current manager though?
“We are delighted to secure the services of Vurnon,” Alan Pardew told the official club website.
“He is an exceptionally talented footballer with great technical ability, which is exactly what I’m looking at in a player. And, at 23-years-old, we hope his best years are at Newcastle.”
“He has come through the Ajax youth system which is world renowned for bringing up players the right way, and I am sure he will fit seamlessly into the squad of players we have here. Vurnon has done his pre-season, and indeed already played one competitive game, so he’s up to speed and ready to play when I need him.”
Of course some people started panicking when news emerged that Anota wanted to have a meeting with Alan Pardew prior to his move to discuss his role in the team. Which player doesn’t want to do that? Happily it’s all worked and Anita is happy with the role he has assigned for him.
“I talked to the manager (Pardew) and the coach (Carver) and they know that I want to play in a defensive midfield place and that’s why they brought me here,” Anita said. “But I can play at left-back or right-back, so that’s also no problem.”
“I won almost everything in Holland so the step was not difficult to make. Now I think we can also win trophies with Newcastle and it’s time to do that. In the Premier League especially, every game is tough so it can help me also to grow in my football skills,” Anita added.
Vurnon had made 138 appearances for Ajax since his debut back in the 2005-2006 season although his breakthrough really came in the 2008-2009 season where he started to feature more regularly in the first team.
I’m sure you’ll all join me in welcoming Vurnon Anita to the club.
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excellent signing, great work by Pards and Co..
hmm so he was bought as a defensive midfielder. does that mean we’ll play 3 in the middle with Cabaye, Tiote and Anita or are we planning on a midfielder to be sold?
Excellent news just heard it on the radio, but reading what his manager has said
makes me even more pleased, as he speaks very highly of him.
I don’t think he’ll play on sat as I think thats to soon for him to get to know his team mates and styles but I think it will give the team a feel good factor, to know thst we are adding to whatwe have.
Would still like to see a CB and a Striker so hopefully this is the start of more to come.
“For me he gave everything during his time here. He never complained once to me about having to drop back into another position. In training he works like he is playing a game and that it means everything. In the one and half years I worked with him he did not stop working.’
This is the type of thing I like to see. I have a very good feeling about this lad.
i do think one or two clubs will now try us out with a bid for tiote or cabaye now this lad has joined,just hope we give them the right answer
Well thats the best and forster money sold…..
Any more to come
Never happy
Ice don’t bring the happy vibe down mate
AMF got to do sumit with nee richie aboot to get stuck into
So many options now with this player. LB with Santon to RB or RS of midfield alongside Tiote and allow Cabaye to wander about a bit further forward which would scare the crap out of most defenses, or as RS of midfield with Cabs in the middle. Solid middle of the park and an all round hard working engine room. A backup CH now please and finish it all off nicely with Toivenen up top. Hawaaaaaaaaaaaay the lads.
@8. It also frees up Perch to play in defense exclusively which seems to be where Pards prefers his as he has played there exclusively in the preseason. Good old Perchy can cover across the back 4. (Still would like a CB though)
Ice, there is always the aussie performance in the olympics to tie you over in lieu of Richie not being around
Big Dave, did you find out what the story with Rich is ??
Sounds like an ideal replacement for Guthrie, who I always thought was underrated. Really chuffed to hear his old boss’s description of him – sounds like exactly our kind of player.
As for fears around fitting him in: we need to think back to the last time we were in Europe and how you look to have two, top-class players for each position. Sounds to me like that’s what the club has started doing.
Besides – with Europe, cups, leagues, ACN, Ramadan and Tiote’s never-ending quest for the record number of suspensions, Anita’s going to see plenty of action!
Apparently he may have only cost 6m euros according to dutch reports….if thats true my word
Any bets on Douglas being the next one in ?
AMF @10 i would mate if they had come over
striker in t/morrow
any way what we going to call this new guy little vern maybe
I think this is the key to controlling midfield that Pardew was going on about at the back end of last season. I’m in no doubt he has been brought as a starter so I reckon we’ll see Tiote and Anita holding with Cabaye playing more advanced.
LST aye mate £4.7mil cheap as chips
I reckon this is the end of Debuchy though now Anita has said he is willing to play right or left back….
‘He is one of the hardest working young players I have ever seen’. This seems to be a recurring theme with the players we are bringing in this summer. No more Nile Rangers, coincidence?
Ice crazy eh especially to think that allen cost £15m
Yeah but is he class?
Great to have this deal finally wrapped up, Hopefully we can get in another 1 or 2 before window shuts. Or even 1 now and 1 in Jan would do me
Good piece in the Independent on Anita: http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2012/08/16/vurnon-anita-versatile-midfielder-who-can-dictate-the-tempo-at-newcastle-united/
de boer rates him very highly what a coup he issont here for the bench he will start every game he will be the star performer saturday now a monster centre half good in the air as we are useless when against set plays is hernandes part of the deal with rvp if not him on loan wouldont be bad
Sorry Kim this was from the last thread
“The higher we finish the more the club earns after all”
But surely it’s the same with each progression you make each cup game? The prize money isn’t massive, but I’d imagine a sell out SJP would make more than the 750k you get for each league place?
Personally, I think our players care more about winning trophies, particularly European ones (because they do matter in Europe) than they do about finishing 7th instead of 8th.
(Btw it wasn’t only you I was aiming at, but people seem to stress that Europe is a must be then equally complain we don’t have the squad for it, I just don’t get it.)
Demba Ba isn’t a votable option for top scorer but Hernandez is? Eh
toonsy says:
August 16, 2012 at 14:17
I think this is the key to controlling midfield that Pardew was going on about at the back end of last season. I’m in no doubt he has been brought as a starter so I reckon we’ll see Tiote and Anita holding with Cabaye playing more advanced.
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I agree. He really gives pards some options:
-play with 2 holding mids
-cover for Tiote during ACoN, midweek Euro matches and cup matches, and Tiote’s inevitable supension or two
“I talked to the manager and the coach and they know that I want to play in a defensive midfield place and that’s why they brought me here,” he said.
tiote and anita? two dms?
ok; interesting. i now expect to see some sort of all out attack. debuchy and another striker would be icing on cake
Aussie @ around 10 ? Richie hasn’t been on cause he’s back home at the mo cause his Dad isn’t well
but he will be back soon to abuse you and asked me to abuse you until he gets back, but you know im too much of a nice guy to do that 
On Anita I hope it means Cabaye getting forward because he is a waste of talent as a holder.
Also on topic-Excellent signing, good to see about the position thing that he shouldn’t be causing any trouble in that regard, and ideas about him being greedy were ill founded
guti dropped? i like this. options
does any body no if the hernandez is part of the deal with rvp if not would any one like him on loan at the toon
Speaking of hernandez, although only a couple of us on here will appreciate it , it was great watching him kept completey in pocket last night by Geoff Cameron ….
——–Cisse———Ba
————— Benny—-
———–Cabaye———
—–Anita————Tiote
-Santon-Colo-Staylor-Simmo
—————Krul—————–
Ba gets to play centrally, as Pards stated and can drop back into the mid as much as he wants at a given time. Cisse constantly forward. Benny get’s to play as a trequartista or advanced playmaker which Pards stated he believed as his best position, and Cabaye can focus on his forward work whilst lending a hand in midfield, suiting all his attributes. The best 11 all in their best positions.
Anita covered a range of positions for Ajax last season but their return to form – Ajax were 11 points behind leaders AZ after just 12 games – coincided with the footballer of Antillean descent playing in his natural defensive midfield role. Ajax began their impressive run of 14 consecutive league wins following the defeat at home to Utrecht, with Anita at left-back. Following that defeat that could have ended their hopes of retaining the championship, Anita returned to midfield duty with devastating results for Ajax’s title rivals. Anita provided defensively stability, ball retention and helped de Godenzonen move the ball quicker and play a quicker tempo.
I think the plan appears to be. ‘We have a good squad now starting to take shape with the signings since we returned to the premiership. (Tiote, Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Santon, Demba Ba, Marveux, Obertan and Cisse) The plan is to keep what we have and add some cover whilst getting rid of some deadwood. So Bigi, Amalfitano and Good have come in and Smith, Lovenkrands and Guthrie have left. Of those I think Guthrie is a loss so the club have replaced him with Anita, a player ready to go into the first team. We have tried to sign Debuchy as well which hasn’t worked, which is fair enough IMO, it doesn’t always work. The problem remains that we have a good first 11 and not much in the way of proven cover. If Ba and Cisse are out we have Shola, if Taylor or Colloccini are out we have Perch or Curtis Good who we don’t know is er.. experienced enough. The fullback areas could have been strenghened but havn’t, which is why I think Anita might not get to play his favourite position.
Newkie we should be in it to win it, the E L should be more than just a Euro jollies, imo it doesn’t matter how much money you get it’s the prestige that comes from being European regulars and it instantly ups the clubs profile and at the sametime gets Jabba’s SD out there, so wee all benefit from it.
Chris-Pretty sure he’s not part of the deal. I think Fergie will still be making plenty of use of him, think he’s only really got 4 strikers. I’d rather try loan a city player (they tend to pay plenty of the wage) plus they need to offload them plus there’s a chance they could actually join us-unlike Hernandez.
Guidetti on loan….or maybe Adam Johnson
Newkie I have a replied to your@88 on previous thread o.k . No ,I know you wern’t aiming just at me ,I think we all want the same thing really ,I just would rather we concentrate on what’s really important right now .When we have developed more as a squad then we can all out attack everything. As you said the players care about Europe ,in which case we best finish top 6 again or win FAcup.
@35. I agree. the only deadwood left really is Xisco. (Some may put Shola in there but I think he has his place witht the club). A pretty remarkable transition since relegation- we had a ton of high-earning garbage on that team
Dave-Exactly. And it’s a great excuse to go to another country and piss off the locals
Ahh to be European regulars again…
Cheers Big Dave, give Richie my best regarding his dad.
You are a nice bloke mate, people just have to look really deep deep deep down to find the niceness
Kim-Ah right sorry, my mistake. Yeah I get what you mean. It should be an interesting season anyway…there’s plenty of young players I wouldn’t mind seeing more of on the big stage, particularly Bigi and some of the early euro/cup matches should provide a good bedding in ground.
Aussie i’ll tell him mate
Right catch you’s later
Howay the Lads and Lasses
Oh Kim I meant to add-or just go out and win the Europa league itself, we autmatically qualify again if we do
I can’t see Jonas out of the starting line up.. He is one of Pardz’s go to men, if you are putting a team together on paper, you will need to add him…
MDS@32-
Chicharito did have the one completely free header he sent wide, but Cameron did play well for us, and it was a huge win. As big as it can get in a friendly. I’m going to be torn this season between wanting Cameron to progress and wanting Stoke to get thumped every time out.
On Topic, Very pleased with this signing ,he sounds a model pro according to FDB reference .Look forward to seeing him play. IF we can get a CB and forward maybe we can really try for that Europa cup.
This is a great signing for Newcastle.
It’s always great to hear an ex manager speak so highly about a player they have just sold. Don’t get me wrong, not seen too many managers slag them off but for De Boer has not only gave high praise to both Anita and Newcastle. It just gives me confidence that we could do business with Ajax again without bad feeling – which I think is quite important.
Im a third happier than I was last week, a CF and a CB and I’ll be one happy chappy
I think it’s fair the say that I’m alot happier than alot of Gunners will be today. I’m sure most expected to loose RVP but to Man U …
I was so happy when I read this I almost started crying during a trip to my hometown in the northern parts of Sweden! Finally a big signing!!! Howay the lads!
Aussie@45-
Jonas is dependable, and I’m sure he’ll see plenty of time this season, with Europa League and everything, but I just don’t see how he fits into our best XI. Cabaye, Tiote and Anita all fit better in the midfield, and I would put Ben Arfa and Marveaux ahead of him on the wings.
Laters Dave
@46. I thought cameron was immense and has been for a few matches now. I think he is a late bloomer who has the qualities to succeed in england.
Interesting, I read an article yesterday that claimed Newcastle and West Ham both tried to sign hm at the last minute but he had already agreed to personal terms with Stoke…
Oh- and you are right….If forgot about that free header….
Newkie ,is that right ,I didn’t know it was the same as the CL where you can defend the cup
Still we must exercise caution all the same ,I would hate for our league form to suffer and end up out the cup and out of a Euro place in all. 
Would feel much better if we could only get a quality CB in ,but I’m starting to sound like a bloody broken record now. 
Charlie, I agree he should be on the bench but Pardz always fits Jonas into his team.. Marv will be on the bench I reckon..
Pardz is saying that he expects one more through the door before the window shuts… so if that is the case and we get a CB in, it will mean the Debuchy deal is dead and vice versa…
Aussie-Jonas is a great pro, unfortunately he’s a bit of a handy man that doesn’t exactly excel anywhere on the pitch. I guess we could play him at full back? Otherwise he’s competing with Anita.
That being said, I fully expect him to play every minute in “second string” games where the formation would be different, and he could cover for a couple of positions. He might not even be that bad in Benny’s position….
MDS@52-
If we had gotten Cameron, I would have been pretty pumped. As excited and hopeful as I am for him coming to the EPL, I’m not sure how quickly he’ll adjust, but if we don’t get a quality CB in, I’ll wish we had him. Either way, I think it’s pretty much a lock that he’ll be starting for the U.S. in Brazil.
Newkie, I would put money on Jonas starting on Saturday and the following games…
MDS@52 It’s that red hair ,there is special powers in that hair ,goes all the way to the feet.that’s why only 15% of the population have it.
Aussie@55-
I know what you mean about Pardew fitting him in. I guess I’m just hoping that having two DMs on the field will give Pardew the confidence to play an all-out attacking front 4, at least against teams we should be beating. I would expect to see Jonas start against teams like Man United, Chelsea, etc., with someone like Marveaux coming on as an impact sub. Against lower teams, I’d hope Marveux starts, with the super sub role being handed to Obertan and his speed.
mDS
I should really wear my glasses ,thought you was talikng about Camball 
Feck sake wake up kim.
Kimtoon-Aye pretty sure you do, I think the common mistake is thinking we get into the CL via winning the EL. Pretty sure if you win it they let you defend it though, auto qualify to the groups (unless we qualified for the CL of course
Agree about that centre back…ah well
AMF
I think, playing the same formation as last season, Anita will take Jonas’s position. Jonas will probably now be competing with Marv/Ba for that left wing role.
He doesn’t fit into Newkie’s formation, which I think would be our strongest team.
Great to have options now. Have the talent such that we can choose whether to focus a game through the middle, down the wings etc
aussie magpie fan says:
August 16, 2012 at 15:06
Pardz is saying that he expects one more through the door before the window shuts… so if that is the case and we get a CB in, it will mean the Debuchy deal is dead and vice versa…
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It seems like as soon as they rejected our last offer for Debuchy the Anita stuff heated up so imagine it was one or the other.
As for CB, I still think we’re waiting on Douglas….
That’s what I get for skipping through threads
.Is Anita playing on saturday ,I havn’t seen Pards press conference .?
If we have good defensive mid, it will allow Jonas to attack with more confidence down the wings. He has had to do that much back tracking to cover our back men… Jonas will start…
MDS@64-
What’s the deal with Douglas, anyway? I know he needs to stay in the Netherlands until a certain point to become eligible to play for the national team, but what are the specifics? If we did have a deal in place, when could he actually come over?
Aussie- I agree I think he’ll be playing, but only because of injuries. Imo and because Pards often likes to let players like Anita adjust, I just don’t think he would be in our “best” 11. Well, unless he can out take Simmo’s place
Newkie,
I think you have the formation spot, on… the problem I have is that I don’t think that either Simpson or Raylor have a place in that style of play.
If we are going to play with two definsive midfielders, then we need two attacking wing backs… Santon and … ??
Simpson is good defensively, but poor going forward and in possession.
Raylor is decent at passing, but doesn’t have the stamina nor skill to get up and down the flank. So we’d definately need to get someone like Debuchy in OR play Jonas as a wing back.
Still most important to get a centre back in for me. We have Perch and Willo as back up but that isn’t good enough IMO.
Debuchy, and Douglas would be great. But Pardew seems to think one more at most.
The thing Jonas has in his favour is that he is a seasoned pro in the pl and you know what you are going to get from him. Pardz won’t gamble too much and Jonas is one of his main guys.. On paper and potential he is not in our best 11 but for runs on the board, he is for sure..
With two DMs and plenty of options for the other midfield/wing spots, maybe it is Pardew’s plan to use Jonas more as a wingback. Depending on how quickly Tiote and Anita gel, you could easily see Jonas and Santon starting at fullback against teams we need to attack, with Simpson (and maybe Raylor) playing when we’re looking to go more defensive. At this point, if we got Debuchy in but no CB, I’d be disappointed. Debuchy would be somewhat of a luxury, whereas our lack of depth at CB could be a big problem.
Not sure who said this , but somone over last few days was saying we need to get to the point where we cant argee on our starting 11. I quietly thought to myself they were dead right , its healthy to have a competition for places and I think this signing is giving us all thoughts ( in the midfield area atleast ) who is our in our strongest team. Interest few weeks a head!
CP @67. I’m not sure I totally understand it, but I think you are right. At some pijt in the comming weeks I think he becomes elegibile for the dutch national team at which point I believe he won’t need a work permit to play in england since he will be a citizen of an EU country.
Despite a clear need for a CB, he is the only one where it has been confirmed that we were in for. That makes some people think we are just waiting to pounce once the citizenship goes through…
Aussie@70-
I think we’re pretty much on the same page – Jonas WILL start at the beginning of the season. If things go well (Anita settling quickly, Marveaux staying healthy, etc.), I think (or maybe just hope) he’ll take on more of an injury cover/cup game role.
I think defensive income is either Douglas or Debuchy – simply because there hasn’t been anyone else as heavily link and there’s isn’t much longer left in the window – but this is NUFC of course so anything is possible.
It’s the forward option that interests me though – I have no clue who Pardews preferred player who be?!
I’d go:
______________Krul______________
Santon____Taylor___Colo______Jonas
_______Tiote_________Anita_______
_____________Cabaye____________
Ben Arfa_________________Marveaux
______________Cisse_____________
or…
______________Krul______________
Santon____Taylor___Colo______Jonas
_______Tiote_________Anita_______
_____________Cabaye____________
__________Ben Arfa (free role)______
_________Cisse_____Ba__________
Johno@72-
I agree that it’s a good thing that we can’t agree on a starting 11 – we have versatility now, and can trot out different lineups and different formations depending on the opposition, injuries, suspensions, etc.
MDS@73-
My concern with Douglas (aside from his mental composure) is when this citizenship thing goes through. We only have two weeks left in the window, right? I just haven’t seen any concrete date as to when he’ll be OK to move. I assume Carr and co. have it figure out, but if it comes down to a FIFA decision, we could be left in the cold.
JJ@76-
I think that first lineup you’ve got there is our best XI. I don’t think we’ll start the season that way because of injuries and everything, but I hope we see that lineup moving forward.
You gotta feel for the Mackems mind ,Louis Saha on a one year deal ,not exactly a stellar signing like
Well we have signed up just about the best midfielder in the Eredivisie
Ajax fans are going to be well pissed off , this lad was so important too them that i think they have sold away their title chances this season .
CP@77 ,If FIFA are involved ,you can be sure we’ll be left in the cold.
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JJ-Agree, Jonas as a wingback on the right would be interesting-I don’t think Simmo getting the ball whilst forward is bad-he’s energetic and makes smartish runs which can open up space for the player on the wing, or he can get the ball and deliver decent crosses. His problem is running with the ball, and perhaps decisions, he certainly won’t get to the byline and try and take on defenders.
Jonas’s acceleration is a bit of a problem defensively, and he can be unsure at actually *tackling* but obviously for hassling he is superb, so he might be a little weaker than simmo defensively but a lot better going forward. As for Raylor, I don’t count him as a full back (unless he has Jonas to play in front of him and do all his running)
As for Tav…never really seen him bomb forward either, but he looks better on the ball than simmo.
newkie spot on have we got room for johnson guedeti would be a welcome asset dont think city would stand in his way can you see pardew going in for him i still think we are going to struggle this season our defence issont good enough a powerfull centre back is priority now with a rb or lb have a solid back 4 and we could have a deasent season
great signing……any one know what side euro game is next thurs? cheers
CP @77. I thought I read it was supposed to be sorted later in August??? I;m not saying it will happen, but it would explain the lack of CB activity. Unless of course the club thinks Tavs and Perch provide sufficient cover for Collo/Staylor/willo.
Axel @80. Glad to hear that coming form you. I’d be right bothered of I was an Ajax suporter. Not too long ago they were a titan of Europe.
As long as Saha doesn’t play against us like he did when he was at Spurs
mds pards must think tav is cover at cb as he has played him there preseason moved from rb ,perchino can cover back with willo n raylor no problem
Just seen Anita talking on SSN ,excellent english .
JJ-Agree that the first one would be a very handy one as far as rotation goes, it means we could have either Cisse or Ba leading the line, along with a mish mash of our other midfielders that would still be a top class side.
I just can’t see us leaving Ba out of the team…and I can’t really see him playing anywhere but the centre-due to Pards’ statement…although personally last years 4-3-3 was fine.
douglas would be a great signing powerful good in the air good bringing the ball out scores he is what we need a big comanding centre back
kimtoon do you know if next thursdays europa game is on tv cheers
Chris-I’d go for the opposite, I think we need a defender comfortable on the ball, composed and good passing ability so we can play out of defense and don’t have to hoof it.
Staylor is obviously a centre back capable of scoring and good in the air, and whatever people say Willo can header a ball out of defence…most of the time
If we ended up with a back line of Simmo, Willo, Staylor and Raylor it would be pass it sideways until under pressure, then hoof…
Chris-Unfortunately can’t see us going in for either of them, it doesn’t seem like we’ve shown any interest, which is a shame really. We need a young striker and whilst I’m happy for Campbell to get a few cameos as a sub if he’s ready, I’m not expecting any sort of impact-which Guidetti could definitely provide..
Stevo ,it’s usually on chn 5 , but there’s no prog info for thursday yet ,tommorow it may show 5′s listings for next thursday.
cheers kimtoon…newkie dont think cambel will be ready at 17 needs his stint at confrence level then lg footy under pards in afraid ,hopefully we can get him a place on loan
Stevo-Aye, I agree, for whatever reason though we seem reluctant to loan players out for decent spells. It would probably be too early for Campbell in any case and they may not even have considered loaning him yet.
two years ago we had airey ,adjay,mcdermot etc all big stuff about them but not a lot could even get a decent loan spell ready for their next step up ,but im sure those lads will go on to good things as they are tallented to be at nufc for at least a few years …a lot of people dont realise how tough it is for these young players
but cant wait for nufc this year ….gona be a busy one at that!
Kim and Stevo – I think Channel 5 have lost (or given up?) the rights to the Europa now. It’s all on ESPN and ITV. ITV4 are showing Hearts vs Liverpool, but there’s no match on ESPN as far as I can tell
Stevo ,Jon@99 Beat me to it ,just been searching internet and discovered that itv and espn have rights now. Apparently itv will show games on itv4 and itv.com and Espn will show one match per week and both have highlights shows too. ITV 1 will show all teams that reach the quater finals. Can’t find any games listed for either yet though.
Jon, Toon may be on ITV.COM if not ESPN.
Kim, yeah you could be right. Personally I find ITV.com live streams to be bloody awful though, disconnecting every 10 mins and making me go through the adverts all over again
“I think it (keeping players) is key to a club like ours, where we are vulnerable to the Champions League clubs and the salaries and fees they can pay,” said Pardew.
“But as I’ve said all along here, Mike Ashley and the board don’t sell cheap, so they would have to come and pay us a hell of a lot of money to take one of our players.”
Pardew
why does he keep saying this? just be buzzing about new signing. no one asked him about keeping players. why keep bringing it up?
Kim – I saw Anita on SSN – also Pardew speaking just after him and reading between the lines, they are only looking to bring ONE other signing
I think Douglas or Debuchy but I’d like it to be Yanga – Mbiwa who would give us more defensive cover as can play CB or FB.
CF wise – Tiovonen would be a good buy, but for youth and development I’d love to see either Guidetti or Rhodes. I wouldn’t be against a loan deal tho for someone like Henandez or Carroll as long as it came with an option to buy as I don’t want to benefit rival clubs by developing their players with game time just for them to bugga off at the end of the season
@Do it
The way that question is answered he was almost definitely asked!
I don’t know why people keep complaining about this approach. Basically Pardew can’t win. He could say they are not for sale but then get stick over the Carroll sale. At least he’s being very honest. Arsenal ARE a champions league club and can’t compete with salaries.
Along those lines, I think the best we can ever hope for is emulating Arsenal.
That may bring success, it may not.
It will definitely have a lot of criticisms from our own fans though as we’ll be deemed a “selling club”
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/7995459/Bale-confident-over-fitness
Fingers crossed eh
with regards to one player being brought in i think it wil b a striker, we will only go for a for Debuchy if we sell simpson. But maybe we will get a suprise when Douglas becomes a Deutch national on the 25th.
ALEX thanks for that date! didnt have a clue what it was
ST – whether people want to accept it or not, you make a very valid point.
that’s one hell of an achievement.
Arsenal may not have won anything for afew season and my not have been title contenders for sometime now – but they HAVE qualified for the champions league for the last 11 years in a row
However it clearly doesn’t give you guarantees, and of course Arsenal charge the most of all league clubs for tickets – yet the fans loose their top players. In fairness, they have added some good players this summer but if you don’t pay the wages you risk loosing your stars and that will always be a real threat to Newcastle in either signing new players or keeping the ones we have.
Alex – I was thinking that mate, is this a case of Pardew covering his bottom just incase a transfer doesn’t come off – but then if it does they can big the board up?!
off topic for a mo,at pardews talk-in he said ranger would never play for toon again as long as hes manager,rangers reply via twatter was; i have 4yrs left on my contract so there is nothing he can do about it,what a dick-heed
Icedog. That so fits in with our transfer policy. We have a ready made replacement for Xisco at half the wages.
Ice – we could pop a cap in his ass
On a serious note tho, I think Ranger would be stupid to stay at Newcastle if he has no part to play and I know reasoning with a moron is difficult but let’s hope he has some sensible advisors around him
SHARPY cannot see him going anywhere until jan mores the pity,cannot see a club touching him until after his court case in oct
On topic. I was advocating Jonas as DM last season and when it happened he did well, but also showed how Anita will fit in. Great buy. Could even play 4-3-1-2 or similar with all three. Good away against the top teams.
Wonder who else is coming in.
I see Swansea have made another decent signing in Bartley….Would of been a decend 3rd/4th CB for us at 1million he is a steal IMO.
Ice – think you’re probably right there mate, when does the loan window close for the lower league clubs again? I know it’s later than ours so he may get a loan deal.
I kinda get the feeling that Pardew is a man of his word when it comes to thinks like this like and it won’t matter if Ranger gets his head out of his own arse and knuckled down – think he’s had all the chances he’s gonna get now like.
Oblong – youre dead right there mate, Bartley for £1m is an absolute bargain there. He’s got loads of potential for what I saw of him at Rangers.
I must admit i havnt seen a lot of him but what i have seen at both Shef Utd and Rangers i liked. He looked quite pacey as well for a CB and can play RB. Oh well…..good luck to him at Swansea and lets hope we get someone better in…..
Start of new season syndrome.. Dreaming has arrived…
For us we know we can have faith on our starting XI if they stay fit.
However as it stands chelsea are relying on torres to come out the shadows. arsenal are hoping their two new strikers adapt with ease. spurs hoping to get anyone in to aid defoe! Liverpool.. well. just Liverpool.
We have the most settled team outside the top 2 basically.
So excited.
OBLONG wonder if he could be a replacment for their c/h there been quite large bids for him
I certainly wouldnt complain if Williams arrived on tyneside Ice, He is a quality defender. Can’t see it mind
thats what i was hinting at mate,but i agree
Ice – reckon he’s been brought in to replace Caulkner who was there on loan from Spuds last season. But if Ashley Williams was on his way I could live with that.
Scott Dann is available from BBurn as well like for about £3-4m I think – he looked decent at Birmingham and he’s only about 25
@ SolanosTrumpet
I can’t wait for Saturday. Personally i think both Chelski and Arsenal have made some good additions and i expect Torres to be on fire this season (He better be…Ive got him up front with Cisse in my Fantasy football
) Liverpool and Spurs are nothing for us to worry about though. I think the battle for top 6 could be the closest for years with us pushing for 4th again. Slightly optomistic maybe with the amount of games but why not we are good enough IMO.
I think Scott Dann looked a bit shakey last season for BB at times but it couldnt of been the easiest place to play. He was class at Brum and still looks to have potential especially as back up.
I reckon next in is a forward ,just can’t seem to land a CB for some reason ,how long we needed one for now
.Wouldn’t be surprised if we had another by the weekend ,bit like buses . 
Personally I think we have explored a few options. I think the Ivory Coast v Senegal game is key. If IC win we don’t need another Striker. But Remy has been sounded out & Carroll may be the subject of a last day bid. Defensively I think both Pieters & Douglas are waiting on injury & citizenship respectively. Debuchy I think is dead unless something major changes. Can’t see us buying from the membership as there is no value there .
Kim I wouldn’t be surprised if we have arranged the Douglas deal and are just waiting for his Dutch citizenship to be finalized
Oblong I wouldn’t write the Dippers and Spurs off mate
Damn phone. Premiership not membership.
Ha Oblong I’ve got him in as well. Surely got to return to his world class self at some point.
I’d take either Roger Johnson or Dann. Very happy with Saylor as first choice for the time being so either would only be 3rd choice. Neither shone last year but both proved with Brum that they have the capability to play in the Prem.
Finding it hard to decide whether I think we need another cultured defender or a brute. I’m going for brute. Preferably British. Just because Colo seems to do okay on injuries (touch wood..!) and when Saylor was out we lacked a vocal leader.
Prem ,still got a feeling Carroll will turn up.
Hope Toonsy updates my article. RvP was not on. Nor Anita or Modric. Not that that affects my predictions.
Kim, that’s my thoughts too.
What happens if Carroll stays on the bench til January ? What’s his value then?
Wonder if we were ever really after De Jong? I wonder if we have helped Twente get more for him from Bayern Munchengladbach – and our real business with them is Douglas.
Just a thought.
Stardust@135 ,now there’s a thought
Prem@134 I can’t see him staying on bench picking up loadsamoney when they can use the cash for him for a new player. Having said that if Agger goes they should get a fair bit in for him like ,Difference is Buck wants him to stay unlike Carroll.
what a strange one daves mate on the move
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11711/7996833/Barton-set-for-Marseille-loan
Stardy
tbh why would we go after a player that only wanted to join Munchengladbach it just didn’t make any sense, and I don’t think we work that way
Ice could have told you that today mate but I didn’t know what club but was pretty sure he would be going.
OK, by now most of us know what Anita is like out of possession, but take a look at this video for a true indication of what he is like IN possession.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMWMUVjT5Eg
Count how many times he loses the ball
Dave – we already have a relationship with Twente.
Llambias was reported there in the middle of buying De Jong ( But supposing it can’t be leaked we are trying to buy Douglas – who can’t be seen to leave or will invalidate his upcoming Dutch citizenship) so we ‘help’ Twente by leaking we want to buy De Jong (and protect ourselves at the same time – as a EU Douglas is guaranteed a UK passport and is worth more).
This would be backed up by Douglas’s confusing and contradictory statements. As I said – just a thought.
KID havent seen the kid much but he wont get that kind of time on the ball in PL that he got in that clip like
Stardust
I agree. I see Douglas joining and have done since it first came out we had made a bid for him. It just fits NUFC so well. A player who is allegedly very close to breaking into the Holland squad if he gets his citizenship. We are all about signing players JUST before their price tag increases.
Ice
You’re right, he won’t. He gets a lot of time on the ball there, but it’s more about his decision making. He is one of those players who is thinking about the next pass prior to receiving the ball and it’s something I tend to admire in players.
@The Kid
He looks very impressive doesn’t he. Pretty comfortable with both feet. Decent short and long range passing.
Three in midfield with Cabaye pushed further up could really dominate teams next year.
@Stardy
Yeah, I thought it was possible details weren’t released as Twente would be charged extra for any replacement defender. We’ll see in time anyway.
@ Big Dave.
Im not writting them off as such i just think we have (as things stand) better team than both. Might be mindless optomism on my part but we will see. Hopefully we will see a couple more additions to the squad before the end of the window and the kids step up to the plate…I just cant wait to get under way on Saturday!
@Solano
Id go for a brute/solid defender as well. To be fair id take any decent defender at the minute just to boost the number. Im sure the club have a plan though….we will see soon enough i suppose
ST – I read an article today that Munsterman still wants sales to facilitate signings – the opposite to before De Jongs sale. Apparently Douglas is the most obvious to sell (other players ages and Douglas’s contact situation).
It just strikes me as extraordinarily NUFC at the moment. We are incredibly well organised – anyone who thinks differently hasn’t a clue
That’s an interesting thought, Stardust. That would be a very clever business strategy.
Mind you it means giving Llambias credit for having a brain, and it means he can cooperate with another human being. According to some on here that is impossible
To be fair Dusty, we’ve come a long way since we advertised interested parties in buying the club to apply by email.
In other news…….Joey Barton to Marseille on a season long loan with M’Bia going the other way………surely this is bollocks????
Troy (@203 earlier thread), you really are a prize tit. Is this blog about NUFC or about Troy Stavers and his one man crusade to criticise every “sweeping statement”? If you’re not accusing some poor blogger of making “ludicrous” statements, you’re accusing them of twisting your quotes when they defend themselves.
By their very nature, blogged comments are often sweeping statements. Bloggers shouldn’t have to take legal advice before they post in case they’re up on a serious charge of ludicrousness because some tit misinterprets them. They don’t expect the “Sweeping Statement Police” to jump on them when they haven’t crossed every “t” and dotted every “i” to explain exactly what they mean and leave no room for ambiguity. I’m sure I’ve made this point recently in defence of someone else you were attacking?
I have no choice but to deal with your last post because, as everyone knows, you will just go on and on crowing about some sort of victory. I will break it up into bite size posts.
Troy, you complain that my response was all over the place and didn’t answer your post. The questions you posed were not particularly important or relevant to your original crusade. In trying to stop you muddying the waters, I tried to keep you on the point, whilst answering as many of your “remote” questions along the way. I felt some of your questions, however, were just too remote to bother with but I could have answered them, if I really had to.
For example, you mockingly asked, “Who is the centre back that you believe is up to the standard to step in the first team now which is what we need.” We have just signed a strapping 19 year old centre back, who comes with a glowing reputation. I believe we would struggle to find two better centre backs than FC and ST and hopefully they can stay fit for the whole season. However, if they can’t, I would trust Pards and Carr that this lad could step up. If he can’t at his age, he’s probably not that good (pardon the pun, Troy, his name is Curtis Good).
I would still like us to sign another quality centre back, but I’m more relaxed than I was. I think that is a reasonable position, even if you disagree with it. Who knows, perhaps Pards and Carr are more relaxed than me? The fact is that you and I don’t know anywhere near as much about him as those two, so I don’t know how you can be so dogmatically critical. My concern and doubt comes from something I do know a lot about: Williamson and the fact that Pards still has him on the books!
So my answer to you is Curtis Good. He is the centre back. Now was all that really necessary?
Wow! How much have I rattled your cage. Wooo hoo hoo hoo
1st response a pile of piffle and you’ve made a right tit of yourself by even bringing that back up.
You would have been better off trying to sweep it under the carpet.
I don’t believe I’ve heard of one blogger who believes Good is the immediate answer to the CB position.
I knew we had bought him , he cost £400k from Melbourne Hearts.
Incredible!
Next
Troy, let me keep you on track. You said you are still waiting for the Carroll money to be spent. I simply said, “Most, if not all, of the Carroll money has been spent and we’re better off for it.” In my opinion, this was a perfectly reasonable statement. You might not agree with it, but I’d be surprised if anyone, other than you, would describe it as “ludicrous”. Unfortunately, however, this was the opportunity for the “Sweeping Statement Police” (SSP) to pounce and to start a crusade that becomes a saga. So, let’s be clear about what I was saying and let’s see if you were justified to sound the sirens and wield the peg.
Bear in mind that I wasn’t writing a legal treatise when I remarked about the Carroll cash having been largely or entirely “spent”.
(1) When you said you were waiting for the Carroll money to be spent, I argued that the money had been used to buy players and pay off debts. Also, it is common knowledge that the new regime point to £27M that was still owing and outstanding on previous transfers of the old regime. Furthermore, we know that Llambias has been shady, and appears to have “clarified” what he meant by spending; you might justifiably argue that he has broken his promises; I’m certainly no apologist for Llambias and his antics.
(2) I pointed to the last set of accounts WHICH INCLUDE THE PROFIT ON THE CARROLL SALE and which show that the club made a profit of £5M. Supporting your statement that “we’re still waiting for the Carroll money to be spent”, you said, and continue to say, that those accounts are irrelevant. I am simply saying that Ashley and Llambias will have used those accounts to decide on the size of the transfer fund and the amount of debt repayments. For that reason they are extremely relevant.
(3) Of course, Mikey is going to feel considerably richer following the Carroll sale, and it may well mean that this year’s transfer budget is more than it would otherwise have been. But nobody, with the exception of you perhaps, is expecting the club to spend the Carroll cash or even £30M of it.
(4) My only point (the target of your crusade) was, if you’re waiting for the club to spend the Carroll cash, you’ll have a long wait because it’s not there. Because you were still waiting for the Carroll cash to be spent, and because you went on with a massive bee in your bonnet about the regime’s broken promises, I got the impression you were criticising the regime for not spending big time.
(5) You say, “I repeatedly stated throughout and from the outset that the money should be made available to Pardew when he wanted a CB. This is the main thread throughout and I have re-iterated that at no time do I expect all the cash to be spent but made available when required.”
(6) I have scanned through your posts, and I cannot see on that thread, which was at 33 when you pounced, where you mention a centre back. As far as I can see, you have only mentioned this latterly after countless subsequent exchanges between us.
(7) As I thought you wanted all of the cash to be spent, I simply tried to clarify. I thought it would be prudent to pay off the debts so I couldn’t understand why you did not want to pay off any of them but preferred to want to hold Llambias to his promise.
(8) Your latest answer appears to be somewhat equivocal. At no time do you expect all of the cash to be “spent”, but “made available when required”. Surely, Pards is going to fight for as much money as possible? Surely, he would say, and I believe he has said, that he wants £35M to be spent on players? After all, nobody would argue that we could well do with another three, four, five, perhaps six quality players to do better than we did last time. Wasn’t it you who said anything else would be a failure? Is your one centre back going to make the difference?
(9) You say, “You try and muddy the waters again by mentioning a bet I had which I won and never had anything to do with the subject we were talking about. Why bring that up? Absolute desperation.”
(10) I mentioned the bet, because you were saying that we should have bought a centre back last year and we would have probably qualified for the CL. The relevance is that you’re working with the benefit of hindsight. As it happened, you did not think we had a cat in hell’s chance of getting anywhere near the CL, centre back or not; you may have won the bet but you were a whisker of losing your caravan at the end of the season. You wrote off the team the regime has assembled, and were as surprised as most of the rest of us that we did so well or came so close. You know it really is tiresome when people have to spoon feed you everything because you struggle to follow a logical thought process.
(11) I repeat that you ignore my many questions to you, preferring to ask a question in reply, the very thing you accuse me of. If you want to dispute this point just say so, and I am happy to give numerous examples. The last, for example, was my question, “If Pards wants a centre back as a priority, as you claim, why is the club using what money there is to capture another midfielder?” Very relevant to where you’ve taken the argument, but no answer.
(12) Perhaps you can see the relevance of this and answer it? What do you make of Pards’ comment today, “I wouldn’t mind it (the transfer window) closing now – I’d be quite happy to keep all my players. But if we manage to add another one that would be the icing on the cake really.” How does it square with Pards’ priority for a centre back that you claim?
(12) You accuse me of twisting your quotes but there is no evidence of it. Everything I’ve quoted has been your exact words. You on the other hand, in support of your argument, said Llambias said something, whereas you had to apologise when it was pointed out by CC that this was not a quote from Llambias. (I wasn’t sure who had pulled you up but thought it might have been JJ; turns out it was CC) As for Wellington, he said “This is false” when referring to your statement. I took this to be him putting you right, but I stand to be corrected.
Take it offline boys ffs…..
I agree with AMF @ 156
Troy, having read my defence, perhaps you can now explain why you pounced to describe my statement as sweeping and ludicrous. You may not agree with it because you’re a prize tit who can’t follow a logical thread, but it’s not “sweeping” or “ludicrous”.
To help you keep on track, I will reiterate my view that you will have a long wait if you’re waiting for the Carroll money to be spent because it’s not there. It’s not there in terms of profit in the accounts year in which it was received; it may well not be there in terms of cash; and, most importantly, it’s not there in terms of Llambias’ transfer budget.
The creation of Andy Carroll’s, great, great uncle, Lewis Carroll, was Humpty Dumpty (the real one not you or Mikey). He said when I use a word it means just what I choose it to mean – neither more nor less. When Mikey sets a budget, it is what he chooses it to be – neither more nor less. He has set it in his own mind, and it is no good waiting for him to spend £35M, or £30M. It is not going to happen, unless he sees a chance to make a killing. This is all I intended to mean in my original post – neither more nor less.
What irritates people is your inability to appreciate a fair comment when you hold a different view. What absolutely infuriates them, however, is your complete inability to follow a logical thread. You twist and turn, and often put words in people’s mouths and then take great delight in shooting down the words you put there. Ice sums it up exactly when he says arguing with you is like stapling water to a tree!
@B&B
I’ve just got in from lates and can’t reply tonight.
What I suggest you do though before you retire to your bed is read all the nature of the original posts and ask how my original question is actually a reasonable question or a pounce.
Then read through and see who starts the calling.
It’s very interesting and you might need to reflect.
You shouldn’t be so defensive fella it makes you look small.
I suggest you don’t reply on the blog because it is tiresome for everyone. Send me an e-mail.
@B&B
Not a chance of sending you an email.
I will reply on the forum we started.
Wow! I’ve seen him rattled before but this is the best.
I’m not sure I can take any more of spoon feeding you.
Listen to the bloggers. Send an e-mail. I note our possums have spoken, and they’re as tired and bored as I am at stapling water to a tree. I’m wasting some bloody good staples, and achieving nowt.
don’t reply to him B&B…… simple…….
I’m pretty sure Jonas will keep is place in the team. He’s a player who can keep going for the full 90mins on the majority of occasions. He really puts in the effort and pards loves him. I’m gonna put my money on a formation somewhat like this:
———————–Krul———————–
Santon—–Taylor—–Colo—-Jonas——
——–Tiote—————–Anita————-
——————-Cabaye———————-
—–Benny——-Cisse——–Ba————
I think that would be a great line up. A strong defence that’s helped out by the two defensive midfielders, cabaye with space in the middle to do his playmaker magic and then 3 players up front who certainly know how to get in position and finish.
I’m not convinced that Anita will be in the XI against Spurs just because he hasn’t had any time to gel with the team in training. But I’m sure that given his fitness having had a full preseason and 1st competitive game already that he’ll get subbed on at either half-time or on the hour mark.
I’ve heard mixed reports on both Tiote and Cabaye and whether they’ll be fit to play on Saturday… Anybody got any further info on this? Because if they’re both behind on fitness I can see Anita starting a more central defensive role and then Jonas and Benny or Perch joining in the middle…
I’ve watched a couple of vids of Anita now (thanks to a German guy down the road) and some internet grabs. It seems to me that he plays a different role to Tiote.
Whereas Tiote does a lot of harrying and tackling in the centre of the park, Anita seems to hang back and picks up loose balls, then prompt from behind, acting almost like an advanced centre back at times – in fact, historically speaking, like a continental centre-half, ie a defender who can pass the ball. He rarely, if ever, ventures into the penalty area.
Essentially, if he plays in the same team as Tiote, he’ll play behind Tiote, when attacking, and be there to help the defence if the opposition tries to quickly counter attack. This, I think, will allow the full backs to advance.
He looks like a good buy.
Just reading through the comments I noticed a lot of people on here have mentioned Douglas, and stated that he’s waiting for his citizenship to come through. The fact is that he already is a Dutch citizen and he received his passport back in November: http://www.rnw.nl/english/bulletin/douglas-hopes-play-holland
The reason why he has to remain in Holland for a while longer is purely because of a FIFA rule which requires that naturalised players have to be resident in the the adopted country for a period of five years before they’re allowed to play for the national team. If Douglas had had a parent or grandparent who was born in Holland there wouldn’t be a problem. It’s only because he doesn’t have that sort of ‘clear connection’ with the new country that he has to satisfy the residency rule. If anyone’s interested, this might help to explain things:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_eligibility_rules
Vegas, I’ve watched a couple of German vids with someone called Anita in them, I wonder if they are the same ones
And did this Anita have good ball control?
Good article on the beeb about us here > http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19096253
Chris so I take it the 25th is the last day of his 5yrs ?
oh and Richie said thanks 
Aussie watching them vids can make you go blind you dirty brat
Cheers Big Dave……
Vegas, you could say that!!
well just one more day till lift off and we can start to talk about footie again aswell as the never ending transfer stories.
1 day to go and it’s back!
Just been on the official website and looked through the training galleries to see who has and who hasn’t,
Benny, Cabaye, Tiote, Cisse all trained but it didn’t show Demba training.
Good news. Shola trained
I feel that Anita will start at the weekend but just don’t see how we are gonna play when everyone is fit. I believe Pards will play Anita full back in a 442 against smaller teams and pack the midfield against bigger teams.
So saturday for me; (my choice)
Krul
Santon taylor colo guti
anita cabaye tiote
benny/Marv Cisse ba(if fit)/Marv
Anita will serve us well I feel because as much as I love Tiote, I feel Anita will make us a little bit wiser in the middle of the pitch. We tend to be weak at stopping teams passing through us.
There was a common denominator was that we got beat heavily by teams who play ‘on the deck’
Fulham, Spurs, Wigan, and Liverpool.
We are more suited to a battle – Come on Stoke
Hanging out for tomorrow.. not before time
Even Big Dave and I have run out of things to argue about 
Ice has run out of piss takes with no Richie about 
and Troy……… well business as usual there 
What all this tells us though is that we really are on a shoe-string budget and last year and hopefully this year will probs be as good as it will ever get.
Fucking about for Debuchy was PATHETIC
Not signing a more Senior CB PATHETIC
And we are short of cover up front and on the wing for me, this Assaidi who L’pool have got was in our price bracket imo
Cheerist, it’s nice to get back to typing bollocks about team selections. Long, damp summer…
Assuming Cabaye and Benny are out, I’m thinking he’ll try to start with the old-timers and then sub in some new blood later.
Simpson – Colo – Tayls – Santon
Oba – Benny – Tiote – Guti
—–Cisse – Shola
Then we can see some subs into the middle – Gosling, et al. It’s so hard to guess without any knowledge of who’s been doing what during pre-season.
Nice problems, though – shows how well the club’s built up the squad.
How did you draw that dire conclusion BP??
Bigpapa will you just take your miserable, never-happy cack elsewhere? The .com site is where you post garbage like that. We’re the envy of the bloody premiership in terms of recruitment, we’re consistently over-achieving, the footie’s great, we’re in the papers for all the right reasons, we’re one of the only profitable clubs in the country, and yet
AND BLOODY YET
you moan.
(And yes, I suspect I just got hooked in. It’s that kind of morning.)
AMF – I just think it’s poor we haven’t kicked on and progressed from a position of strength, which is pathetic, we needed 3 first team players and have got one – the way Pardew said “thankyou” to Mike Ashley yesterday show’s that it’s gonna be hard to get another player, hope i’m wrong.
What have we spent 6mill? for a team that finished 5th – Pardew said Ashley was getting excited and motivated by our success, well it looks like it died.
2/3 players and we could be a really good team, just feels like negligence
Bigpapa the thing I don’t like about Tiote is that he’s a red card on legs, even if he gets booked early on in the game he still doesn’t reel it in, so at least if that happens now Pards can just take him off before the ref saves him the bother.
Aussie im sure Ice could start somemore piss takes if your missing them
Hang on Whumpie – where’s the “money for 3 top additions without losing anybody” gone?
We pulled out of Debuchy over what? Or how much?
We have a load of new injuries on the eve of the new season – great – one player injured and we are a hell of a lot weaker.
What happens – smart ass – if Senegal qualify for the ACN?
Idiot
Wow. That BBC write-up (@170) makes really good reading! Cheers, TC.
BP, why don’t wait for something bad to hppen before you go the doom mongering route.. the season hasn’t started yet and your complaining… Feel free to complain when there is something to complain about. We are unbeaten this season, what more do you want
Bigpapa, have you learned nothing from the past three years? If you measure everything with what’s spent rather than what’s achieved then you end up with… well, what happened 3 years ago.
Can you summon enough humility to admit that, after 3 years of the club doing stuff that invited exactly your kind of criticism and yet surpassing all expectations on the field, perhaps your kind of criticism is unfounded?
I DO NOT GIVE A SHIT what we spend. I DO NOT GIVE A SHIT what has happened before any given match or who was claimed to say what about signings.
I just want the Team to do well on the pitch and the clubmake us proud off it. If you want to jump at every chance to be pessimistic and have a go at our players, manager, recruitment team and sodding tea lady, that’s your shout – I just want to point out how pathetic it sounds when the rest of the world is banging on about how good our club is.
I suggest you read the article TC posted at 170 for a perfect illustration.
I don’t wanna moan but we could have two class players for not much money – especially after losing the wages and gaining the transfer fees of – Loven, Guthrie, Best, Forster, Smith and have we got rid of Xisco?
First day of the season. Is our squad in a stronger or weaker place than this time last year? Why? In what ways?
Actually BigPapa,
We’ve spent 2mil overall, because we got 5mil for Best and Foster…
If we don’t get a central defender I’ll be very disappointed.
Bigpapa I agree about the CB and Striker it is a crying shame we havn’t got them in by now, but there is still time before the window closes, so we might be better giving them the benefit if doubt.
Whumpie why should he go somewhere else ? Because he’s not happy with just getting one 1st teamer in, thats the thing that gets me about sime people on here, I have had to listen to some totaly ridiculous bull shit dreaming on here at times, but I have never lost it with the one that are spewing, because at the end of the day they’re only giving their opinion which they are entitiled to after all thats what blogs are for
BP, I have a feeling that our management have a little bit of a clue about what is needed to drive the club forward.. maybe even more of a clue than some fans that have only seen a player play once or twice…
Mike and Dekka have caused their share of grief for supporters but their player recruitment has been bang on…
Whumpie – Jeez, who you wanting to shag at the club like??
As I pointed out we have lost big earners, and got fees for other players, bought in 1 player and a few kids. We have Europe this year and haven’t recruited from a position of strength.
What happens if we finish 10th this year? We will end up losing our better players and without European football be unable to recruit any top-class players. It’s more fact than my opinion/moaning.
If you can’t agree that we should be strengthening from here to maintain this level then you are far too easily pleased, compadre.
BigDave – cheers!!!
Seems some people have really become too easy to please.
The worrying thing is as well everyone who finished around us have strengthened significantly. Even Everton!
AMF – so if they know how to take it forward why are we offering ridiculous fee’s for Debuchy and Douglas?
And didn’t Pardew the other day admit at the talk-in that we offered 7million for Carroll?
In the words of John McEnroe ….
BP, we do not buy players for the sake if it or to just make up numbers.. When the right player comes along (for the right price – unfortunately) we will buy.. We don’t seem to take players that do not fit the mould..
So if you don’t like the fact thst someone isn’t happy that we havn’t got the 3 players that we thought we needed and were told we could get, then just ignore them, because they’re within their rights to moan about it without getting abuse for it.
Why are the fees ridiculous BP… Do you pay over the odds for the stuff you need in your own life, or do you pay above what you perceive the item to be worth ? I don’t know many people that will pay more if it will be a drain on their finances…
AMF – would we be able to sign Debuchy for 6mill if we didn’t have Cabaye though? Yet we still mess about and haggle over 1million. The fact we have his best aswell should of been more incentive, keeping your best players happy at that price isn’t too much to ask
We need a RB and he is the best we could really hope for, if they want to take the club forward they could have.
Instead we buy another midfielder which just gets everyone speculating again about Cabaye/Tiote.
Why has the Chronicle done as story about players discontent at out transfer progress if, like Whumpie says, we’re continuing to make progress
BP – How have Everton ‘strengthened significantly’? They’ve lost Rodwell, Yobo and Cahill and only signed Naismith…
Bigpapa no problem its just that over the last couple of months I have noticed that the fans that arn’t pleased with the way the club go about things “the neggers” get quite a lot of abuse ‘me included’ from the people that are happy to go along with what the club does.
But I never see “the neggers” abuse the fans that are happy with the club and how it goes about things.
Big Dave: you must scroll past Troy’s posts as well then
Dave with one or two exceptions you are quite right. This time last year the position was reversed with “the dreamers” getting stick for not having first class tickets on the now defunct reality train.
Ross co – I think if you look they’ve signed Pienaar, Naismith and are close to signing Kevin Miralles, add that to their squad which is arguably better than ours.
I don’t think they’ll miss Cahill’s 1 goal from last year and Joseph Yobo who has been rotting in Turkey for 2/3 years. Rodwell barely played for them as well, Rossco
So you go look at a car to buy and from what u can see with the age of the car the amount of miles on it , its service history and within your budget you value the car at 5k. Now the seller , who is well within their rights , tell u they want 7k for it. Now the car is perfect for u. Everything u want in a car. Do you buy it and over stretch your budget? Or haggle with the seller? Or do you find another car?
Big Dave – Your right, nowadays your negative if you don’t buy into our stringent way of doing things. 1 in 1 out. But seriously the Carroll bid and the Debuchy situation are laughable.
After last season we should be looking to maintain our position, which now looks as hard as ever.
Bottom line is we should of at least have Debuchy in now to strengthen the 1st team.
Does any one else feel that because no one wanted Simpson that we are stuck with him now?
If we don’t get a CB I’ll be a bit concerned – but I won’t give a stuff if we still do well. But I do admit it’s a concern.
Big Dave – Dreamers? Candyfloss crew? La La land?
Loads of it mate. It happens both ways.
JohnoToon what about if someone advertises their car at 5k and you offer them 3k?
Big Dave – actually, I concede you’re right. It’s what blogs are for. But I do get embarrassed when people who have no idea about what’s going on behind the scenes (you seriously believe the papers when they say the Debuchy deal was just over a simple £1m?) call the club pathetic. It’s just so clearly not justified when the results of this ‘pathetic’ approach are so indisputably excellent again and again.
We know precisely dick about these transfers; why can’t people just have the humility to admit that the club obviously know what they’re doing?
Premanup @189: I think that we are in better shape, notwithstanding I still think we need at least 2 more in. My main concerns this time last year were 1. whether the new guys could bed in and handle the PL and 2. whether Pardew had the nouse to lead the team. Clearly both were unfounded.
This year, everybody has had a season under their belts and will hopefully be better players for it.
My concerns this time are 1. whether we can compete in all competitions and 2. whether we can maintain the standards set last season.
On balance I think we are better equipped. That is to say, at least my concerns are more positive than they were.
BigPapa – What if somebody advertises it for 5k, you offer 5k, then they want 7k because the wheels have just been shined a bit?
Mind you my house was on sale for £130,000 when I bought it. I didn’t pay that though and got it for less. I bet the couple I bought it off wish they sold it to some of you lot!
“Nah man forget £130,000, have £140,000 my love”:lol:
We’ve now got our tickets here and we’re ready to go.
I confess to being slightly confused about this window. There seems to be some contradictions from Pards.
He has expressed a requirement for a centre back in the past, but it now appears as if he is happy with his squad. I think we have a fantastic centre back pairing provided they keep form and fitness; however, experience tells us that’s unlikely. So, if we’re talking simply about back up, either Good is good enough or Pards is happy with Perch and Willo.
Or, as I’d like to think, Pards is confident we have Douglas in the bag (if he’s a star?). What we need is a class centre back who is equally good at left back, because we’re weak at left back too.
Pards has bought three midfielders and let one go. Centre midfield was never a priority.but I’m not complaining that we’re well covered there.
We can’t afford for Tim Krul to have a dip in form or an injury either.
My hope for this season is to see a good crop of young ones breaking into the team and strongly challenging the established stars for their places.
Bris @ 211 – I think that sums it up for me. I can’t actually think of a team that’s done better than us in the window, but I also have my doubts about competing in four competitions with this squad.
But without doubts, it would be boring, right?
I honestly feel a bit sorry for Citeh supporters: even if they win… so bloody what? So they should!
Aussie and the others I have only ever seen Troy loss the plot and abuse one person on thid blog.
I have seen him wind 100s up but never seen him abuse people.
Toonsy all thst candy floss clouds and sugar candy trees was a playful wind up and I really can’t believe anyone took that serious. Because I know a lot of people thst were on the receiving end of it that didn’t take it serious and give him stick back.
But it can’t be compared to telling people to go somewhere else, telling them to grow up, they’re ridiculous, childish, arnt real footie fans questioning their intelligence etc etc .
Prem I must disagree because it was the same last yr aswell, yeah Troy was winding people up again but IMO I think the proplem with that is that it’s not what Troy say’s is the proplem I think it’s Troy that some people have a problem with ? But I can assure you that I was on the receiving end of lots of abuse and childish name calling last yr too and not once did I abuse someone that thought differently ‘the dreamers’ I just don’t think thats on ?
BP – Pineaar – the player which was on loan to them last season? Can’t really count him as strengthening. Naismith is their only ‘new’ player.
Rodwell did play when he wasn’t injured and you can’t discount Cahill because he only scored 1 goal. He’s there to set up goals and dictate the play.
You seem to have a very positive perception of other clubs and a negative one of ours when the window is still open. I’d hate to see what you thought if we were genuinley doing bad!
Whumpie yeah I know but just scroll past it mate.
Toonsy so are you saying that the club offered what lille asked for, then they ‘ lille’ upped the price ?
@B&B
Grandad Les told me on his death bed that some people in life hate being told they are wrong and take it all very seriously.
We quickly set out our stalls in the debate and within half a dozen posts each the tone of the debate quickly changed.
Both made posts based on our opinions and as always both were valid in their own right. You may not be aware as it was me who got you into this blog and you don’t post or read it as much as me ( I’m assuming you don’t read it as much, as like me, you like to air your views ) but this Carroll money debate has been a long running issue that has been debated furiously on many occasions and there are two camps.
At post 160 13/8/12 you changed the whole tone by stating, “I DON’T NEED A NIT PICK WHEN TROY DELIVERS A SKIP LOAD OF SHITE, AS HE OFTEN DOES. I NEED A BLOODY SHOVEL”.
You accuse me of pouncing. I queried your opinion which is what a forum is about. I would suggest pouncing is a more accurate word to describe your actions.
Any ridicule on my behalf after that is justified.
At post 169 , under less than 10 posts each, we formed the foundations of our points.
At this stage, no other issue had been discussed orherthan where most, if not all the Carroll money had been spent, as was your original statement that I questioned.
I set out my stall and stated since Carroll was sold we had made sales IRO £55m and purchases of £25.
That was the basis of my argument. We were in profit IRO of £30m over that period. I would find it difficult to understand if anyone couldn’t get that concept.
Your next response @ 174
Only £20 to £25m to account for then. Sounds a lot but that could quite easily be eaten up in lucrative five year contracts to quality players and contract improvements to existing players.
You go on about burnt fingers by getting Xisco and smith etc BUT finish you post with this line.
Besides, when I said it, I knew I would reel you in like a catfish.
Reflecting at this stage in the debate, do you consider you have come across well.
Within a few posts you accuse me of talkin piles of shite and next you are reeling me in?
I genuinely thought you were talking shite and were reeling me in like a catfish. Nothing you had stated at this point that you were correct as I was about to ask you to consider the sales of Nolan, Enrique, Barton, Smith, Carroll, Best, Guthrie would offset contract improvements on others on the saving of wages alone. Top earners gone from the club saving a fortune!
At this point, I’m in a discussion with another about wage caps. A separate discussion not involving you.
Instead of concentrating on our debate which you appeared to be struggling with, hurling abuse, reeling me in, you then try and get involved in my wage cap debate.
Talk about muddying the waters. This is the start of you contunuously goading me into talking about the wage cap. It comes across that you are trying to get away from the debate we were having and moving onto another subject.
We’ve argued with each other since we I was old enough to speak, though you did take advantage of the situation a couple of years before that and argue with me when I couldn’t.
I’ve leaned over these decades, that you never stick to a point and you try to muddy the waters. I’ve learned to try and keep you on track and that is why I refused to discuss the issue until we had finalised the Carroll money debate.
The next post @ 187 In your response to me explaining about the offset of wages saved would cover the new contract improvements, you start your usual trick of answering with a question.
Troy- it was over to you to explain why we still had the Carroll money. However, you’ve completely ignored the contracts issue in your calculation.
I have simply been saying we may well have spent most if not all of it on contracts – we are even spending it on decent reserve set up and scouting system. How much do you reckon that will be costing? If you dispute it, you tell me your figures of the outlay taking into account contracts.
I start to think you are really reeling me in at this stage. I’ve already explained above about wage savings alone on contracts from our top players.
At no time have you disputed we have have a sales surplus of £30m
and you ask me to account for contracts. Are you really suggesting intake you seriously at this point that £30m could be spent on reserve and academy set ups?
Your next post is when you produce the irrelevant finances dated shortly after the sale of Carroll and before Nolan, Enrique, Barton, Smith et al left the club.
You ask me to tell me why the accounts are wrong which I keep relying cos they swallow up the cash by taking into account previous debts and commitments. No one, not even the club, suggested that the Carroll money was ever going to be used for that. In fact, though I quoted Llambias, it was Ashley who stated all the Carroll cash would be used in the summer for the team.
Does that not tell you that the finances, which you used to justify your point are not relevant. You even state that the money was swallowed on previous debts and contract commitments leaving a surplus of £5m.
How can you use those finances when Ashley stated all the cash we got for Carroll was going to be used in the summer for the team.
You conveniently go to bed at this point.
Next day, your first response;
Troy, face the fact, THE MONEY HAS BEEN SPENT. The accounts show it.
In the same post, not having convinced me that your foundations have even set, you start to sink in them and start to muddy the waters again.
You start to ask questions which totally take us away from the original point.
You ask;
1) are you seriously waiting for NUFC to spend a further £35m on players, having already used a substantial proportion of that money to pay off the debt hang over?
2) do you want NUFC to continue with the debt, which was money spent on players under FFS, or would you rather see it paid off?
THIS WAS THE POINT WHERE YOU MUDDIED THE WATER AND BROUGHT INTO IT A TOTALLY DIFFERENT DEBATE.
I stupidly got dragged into the debate which had nothing to do with whether the cash should be there, based on surplus transfer funds.
During all this going on you still try and get me to debate the wage cap statement. It’s the greatest attempt to muddy the waters ever seen.
I don’t feel as if I need go on, as my long posts correcting you after you changed the subject can be read til your hearts content.
Now I’m wondering how many staples you have left as @146
14/8/12 you are nailing concrete to trees and the next day stapling water. Woo hoo hoo hoo
Now I advise you to walk to the nearest mirror and repeat these words
“TROY HAS DONE ME BIG STYLE,”
You then need to reflect why, Granda Les left his wrestling trunks to Troy and Grandma Baba left you her knickers.
BigPapa sometimes u have to chance your arm in this world
Dave – I don’t know, but does anyone know any differently either way? Nope…
Question: Who is Debuchy more pissed off with?
A) Us
B) Lille
If we were really taking the piss you would think Debuchy would be a slight bit pissed with us wouldn;t you for not taking it all seriously?
Toonsy I don’t believe we met Lilles asking price and I really do belive that Ryder has been stirring shit about what we have offered by quoting lilles prices in £ and ours in €s but as you say no one knows. But I do believe he is pissed with Lille for pricing him at whatever they did and the fact that he wants away. He is hardly going to get publically pissed with us or speak bad about us when he want’s us to take him? I just don’t think that would go down to well with Lambastad do you
Reet must go do a bit.
I know that Wolfie would say that he copped a fair mount of stick for being a dreamer… so it does go both ways… when you call something PATHETIC in cap locks you are inviting comment to your post. If you look for attention don’t get upset when you get it.. I agree with Big Dave that people shouldn’t get shot down for an opinion but unfortunately that is the nature of the beast when you post something on a public forum.
As fr as Troy goes, I am not sure why BD mentioned me but I don’t have an issue with him,he doesn’t really talk with me since I got him wound up and angry a week or so back
@aussie
You know I’m speaking to you. I’ve missed correcting you and keeping you in check.
I’ve been preoccupied fighting with the genes.
Troy, I hadn’t noticed
@aussie
I think I’ve got away with it by keeping it low profile by being succinct with my posts.
How’s things anyway, you still got that boomerang stuck in your mouth?
You should try straightening the boomerang and call it a stick. That’s what we do in England. Much safer.
All good here Troy, really looking forward to the game tomorrow, must admit I’m a bit nervous for the boys
I was genuinely worried that I had got you too fired up the other week, glad to see the red mist has cleared for you.
I’ll be honest and say that I didn’t read any of your posts when you were at it with your bro, at times it looked like a book mark would be required given their length. It must have taken an age to type out on your phone
Aussie what or when did I mention you me old bomerang throwing friend
Aussie sorry I see now where I said your name it was your other fellow country man Bris I meant, so please accept my apologies.
No stress Big Dave, thanks for the apology but it was not nessesary mate
all good 
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