Hatem bomb strikes again
Ben Arfa was on fine form which helped us see off league rivals Tottenham 2-1 and bagged the winning goal from the penalty spot after being the one who was brought down for the penalty to be awarded in the first place.
Demba Ba scored goal of the game in emphatic style after bending the ball into Brad Friedel’s far far corner, but it was Ben Arfa who was involved in the move which led up to the goal. Ben Arfa flicked the ball around a Spurs defender with a cheeky nutmeg which led to the ball being crossed in to Demba Ba by Danny Simpson. Call it an assist to an assist if you like.
Then of course there was the penalty which Ben Arfa created for himself after a short corner was returned to him by Cheik Tiote. Hatem came up against two Tottenham defenders and opted to plough through the middle of them which paid off as he was brought down in the penalty area and the referee gave a penalty. Ben Arfa stepped up and sent Friedel the wrong way by drilling the ball into the bottom right corner of the Gallowgate net.
For me he was the man of the match. He was always willing to pick up the ball and have a go at the Spurs defence and caused problems throughout the game.
Since joining Newcastle from Marseille in 2010 on a season long loan Ben Arfa has always shown glimpses of his ability, but after picking up a horrific leg break against Manchester City in the 2010-2011 season after Nigel De Jong’s crunching tackle it left many people wondering if he could ever reach the potential he was always capable of.
Newcastle were aware of the potential he had already shown before the injury and decided to make the deal permanent regardless of all the risks involved – a huge leap of faith for a club that looks for value in the transfer market.
Last season he came back from injury and had a fantastic season and performed consistently well in pretty much every game he played. This begged the question why didn’t Ben Arfa attract any interest in the transfer market off top European teams, not to say Newcastle aren’t big enough for Ben Arfa, but he has incredible ability and also played at Euro 2012 which gave him a big platform for teams to look at him and maybe try to sign him.
Overall he is an incredible player who can help Newcastle achieve great things and you get the sense that he is vitally important to us. He may be a bit sulky and he may need to be managed a bit differently, but so far so good on that front. When he is on the pitch there is always a chance of something happening and we’re never quite out of a game with him in the side providing the rest of the team don’t collapse around him.
This will be his first full season in Newcastle colours and it’s an important one not just for him, but also for the club being back on the European stage.
But how important will Hatem be to our fortunes this season?
Thanks to Connor Carrington for sending this in!
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to be fair to the lad he hasnt had a real good run in the team for one reason or the another,i still think theres more to come from the lad and i look forward to it,other teams seem to get wary of him when hes on the ball imo
good subject matter conner
Players like him is why we love football,nothing like watching a player able to pick the ball up and just destroy the opposition.
Good luck for the rest of the season except when you come to the lane!
i agree with j j – i’d sell him.
Roy – you’re always watching
Stardust sits impatiently awaiting JJ to mount the climbdown of climbdowns
One baby Howler Monkey coming down the tree
well well the return of wor roy,were you been mate?
here we go again ffs,laters ime off
Jesus ,just when you think it’s safe to come back on
ICE @7 , Totally agree mate. 
alreet dog – just back from a 12 month holiday in the tramwell unit QE.
see ya later – am off aswell.
Icedog, it is Stardust methinks. Keeps forgetting to log back in properly. Hence the lack of an avatar now and then
HBA is a a great player who brings a different dimension to our play. His direct approach, ball control and finishing are a joy to behold. Like Jonas he wins free kicks. A player who combined the best of those two would be awesome. He will be very important to our season. I would not argue that he is our MVP though. That’s a different article though.
I think Ben Arfa is going to be a very important player for us this season. I’m hoping he grows into his role and becomes as big as Ronaldo did for ManU.
‘Ben Arfa stepped up and sent Friedel the wrong way by drilling the ball into the bottom right corner.’
Hmm, I wouldn’t say he drilled it, and it crossed the line a long way from the bottom corner. If Friedel had chosen the right way I reckon he’d have saved it. But I suppose you could say that Ben Arfa tricked him into going the wrong way. Any goal is a good goal.
I think the thing that Benny brings is a little bit of fear for the opposition mid and defender that face him. They know if the come too far forward and lose possession, he will be going back the opposite way at speed. It takes a brave player to not cover him properly. I like that he is in the team because he demands that kind of respect.. He can be quiet for 10 minutes and then bammm!!, he hurts you on the counter
… Have a look at Bolton last season, they were pushing hard for a goal and left Benny to his own devices… and we know how that ended up! 
So, so important.
Brilliant to have a selection of players that can turn a game on its head if we aren’t playing to well. If we can recreate the defensive resolve from the start of last season and just let Cisse/Ba/HBA loose we’ll be in for a very exciting season.
Come on Ashley, get Douglas in and I’ll be nervously happy. And counting down the days to Ivory Coast – Senegal
Troy has just made an absolute mug of himself on the previous thread.
What a troll.
Ice – you often accuse others of ruining threads. Your manner if often quite rude – you choose a certain character to support and are dismissive of others.
While I am not bothered – I find the hypocrisy in your comments as opposed to your actions astounding.
Its easy to skip past posters you don’t want to read. This isn’t your own house – its like a pub, full of characters. Talk to those who you enjoy talking, ignore the rest – myself included.
We simply have different outlooks and humour – its nothing personal, lighten up
Wooo hoo hoo hoo
I’ve just texted Stardust to see who the first snapper would be!
Hook, line and Trumpet!
Ben Arfa-class. Pure class. He’ll be important for us given how versatile he can be in an attacking formation….would be interesting to see him behind the striker at some point this season, when he’s on form and that.
You there Trumpers?
Who knows where Barfa’s best position is. I would imagine he would be the best to ask. He’s certainly been at his his cutting into the middle from the wing heading into the box.
Best player since Beardo into terms of natural ability IMO
Looking at it from the other side of the coin… I think the Toon fans are very important to Benny. He is a passionate person and you can see what it means to him when the crowd cheers his name or roars in excitement when he is on the ball. He is not someone that is driven by money but needs to feel loved by the fans. He is an entertainer and likes to express himself on the park. I can’t see him going anywhere as long as the Toon army calls his name…
Ben Arfa has been at the club for two and a half years now…
This is a huge season for him. He has incredible potential and he’s demonstated towards the back end of last season and in the opening game what a game changer he can be…
Still looking for a lot more consistency from him though.
I think Pardew has done well to find a formation that allows Ben Arfa to play a free role and drift around.
Players like Tiote, Cabaye and Anita, and even Jonas who has played a holding role, gives Ben Arfa the chance to roam and cause havoc.
He also has more mobile players like Cisse and Ba next to him meaning that defenders are either drawn away from him by their movement, or when they double mark him, it gives our strikers that extra space.
I had my doubts about him last season. However, we seem to have found a happy medium between us accomodating him, and him working harder for the team…
I still think he has A LOT more to offer in terms of consistency, but if he constinues to improve, he will be a very very important player for us…
Haha such a good joke Troy, boy you sure know comedy.
Can we get this man a comedy stand?
Internet trolls are scum Troy, you should try and look to move away from that tag.
Ice, I see you are the target today…
Stardust, you and I ruined a thread yesterday for a lot of people getting personal. Lets try keep the discussion on football today shall we?
@JJ & Aussie
Agree. But my only concern is his temperament. It wouldn’t surprise me if he can fall out of love as quickly as he fell in love with the club.
If things don’t go his way then he may show his moody side and fall out with the manager.
Le Wizard
@Trumpet
Don’t take life so serious fella
Move on
Defeated
And not a woop in sight.
During some of the lengthy arguments yesterday I took a break and ventured over to .org. Jesus. I prefer reading irrelevant to football arguments on here than some of the dross on there.
AMF-I do think he loves the crowd…but equally, I think he might love money too
Make no mistake, if he continues his run of form from last year/improves on that, he’ll be yet another player continuously talked about and linked with with other clubs 
Phil Neville saying Newcastle are Everton’s marker for this year
N’aww, bless these small clubs…
@Newkie
I like that our players are continuously linked to other clubs, it means we are doing well! Even under Sir Bobby we didn’t have a team with the potential that this one has.
Shearer and Given aside I’m not sure any of the players we had then could be pinned as world class, could cut it in the Champions League perhaps, but not properly impress in it.
Whereas we have a fair few players that wouldn’t look out of place at any team in the league and with the potential to be world class.
Testament to how well we’ve done in the transfer market and how well we’re doing as a team.
benny needs 2 be played central not out wide..he is wasted out wide simple…he can hurt teams more and he would do less work getting back..so he will have more enrgy to run at these teams u cant have the best attacking player in the league playing wide..
Trumpet – when did the humour gestapo attempt to dumb down the blog. Lighten up fella.
Too many folks on here far too sensitive and who are also draining on the soul.
Without characters with all their diversity this blog would die – we see it time and time again when those who discourage diversity dumb down blogs till there is no life left and threads lie dormant.
I feel a bigger point can come from ben arfas rise to top class player.
It is our treatment of injured players is top notch. A leg break is a hard thing to come back from but the way we handled ben arfa during his recoverery was very tactical. We let him go back to france in a bid to keep the player relaxed and we never rushed him back even when he looked class in certain games.
Maybe this ia why others stayed away, they werent prepared to put in the graft needed to unleash his full potential.
We have played a blinder with Ben Arfa and now we are reaping the rewards.
Connor another good read mate who ever you are
I have made my views on Benny very clear, he is the only player we have that can change a game in the blink of an eye, i know some fans didn’t like the fact that he wasn’t always a tireless worker, but imo them type of players arn’t that type of player, we should have enough workers in the team to allow Benny to be a destroyer. I can’t ever remember Ginola or Robert working as hard for the team as Benny.
Solano-True…what I mean is, I think that out of all our players, Benny might be the most “ambitious” given that he is probably the greatest “talent” in our team, and he’s also one of the youngest. Players like Tiote are a bit more “humble” imo, Ba’s career could end at any point, and Cisse is fairly late on the international stage and probably doesn’t have the all round attributes that would attract big suitors. Benny is different though.
JJ – playing the victim again Mr Baby Howler Monkey?
To be clear – you ruined the thread – I responded
smug grin,
But out of respect for Toonsy and others I will leave those issues there.
Feel free when you want to leave your sincere apology there
Oh and apparently Benny still has a european 3-match ban to serve dating back from Marseille?
Guess that makes selection easier
@Stardust
Do you ever post about football or do you always just post to get a reaction.
I’m not a spotty, teenage adolescent, I don’t find trying to bait people funny. Rodz drunken musings are funny.
You constantly causing non-debates – not funny.
I asked you a question the other day. Do you think that Saylor was much improved during our run at the start of last season, as many of us were won over to him by that spell. No response. You have no desire to discuss football.
Troy loves to wind people up but at least he actually adds something to the footy conversations on here.
@Big Dave
I think he has a lot of genuine respect for Pardew.
Still can’t believe with his past temperament he was willing to accept that he had to work harder on the defensive part of his game whilst Shola and Obertan were picked ahead of him
Dave-Exactly. Benny works so much harder than Robert its unreal. And I loved Robert, well, his screamers anyway
Bassong and Dawson both allowed to leave Spurs.
Depending on wages and cost I would love Dawson. Be a perfect competitor for Taylor.
We just need to snap up anyone, doesn’t need to be a first team player just needs to be better cover than Willo.
Trumpet – my views on Taylor are well known, he was marginally improved from previous seasons at the start of last but he is a poor poor player imo.
Yesterday the disagreement with JJ emanated from a football discussion re Taylor and I hardly post these days because, to be frank, folks that dumb down the blog bore me somewhat. So your accusation that I only talk about non football matters is moot.
Again I suggest there are two camps – those who celebrate life – live and let live and the hypocritical bores. Choose where you belong.
On Sunday I was impressed by Ben Arfas attacking prowess once again, but I was really pleased to see his game evolving in other ways. At the start of the game he was holidng off a player with his physical strength for about 10seconds and chasing balls down and tackling. He has also started to pass alot more after doing a bit of skill instead of just trying to beat everyone every time. He seems to be maturing into a skillful player with a footballing brain, knowing when and when not to take on players.
Unleashing his skill at the right time is vital to Ben Arfa having a good game or a bad game. Wrong time – lose ball and we’re on the back foot. Right time – BOOM!
I’d really like to see him play in behind Ba and Cisse. Or off to the right of Cisse in a 433 cutting inside. I think with Anita Tiote and Cabaye we can really facilitate unleashing him in his most effective positions.
Stardust @36
How classy of you to comply
Troy
Ben Arfa reminds me a bit of Juan Román Riquelme, not in his style of play, but more his remarkable ability…
When Riquelme was happy, he was unstoppable, however, the second he didn’t feel “loved” he went off in a huff and never performed to anywhere near what he was capable of…
That was the reason he was offloaded so many times despite his ability.
There was a stage last season which you’ve brought up many times Troy
that I was concerned Ben Arfa wasn’t happy and thus playing as too much of an individual.
They seem to have got the balance right, and long may it continue.
Think Dawson would probably be on pretty decent wages, not sure we’d pay much for a back up in CB
Would be a handy player though.
@JJ , & Trumpet & Aussie if he’s out there
Let’s move on and lets disagree with each other civily instead calling some one a prick or to fuck off.
That was my only issue yesterday.
I agree with you Dave. A talent like Barfa is in the same mould as ginola and Robert. Keegan and Robson couldn’t get them to work tirelessly as well but made sure they were accommodated in the team.
Their pro’s override the cons in their play.
For every ronaldo and giggs there is a ginola and Robert but they all are top footy players that entertain the crowd and that’s what we pay to see.
@Stardust
I wouldn’t call it a football discussion. You said you play football with some “ex reserves” and that they don’t think Taylor is very good and for some reason that makes it gospel. Despite the fact that managers within the game clearly rate him and not them.
Hypocritical
In what way is trolling people on an internet blog “celebrating life”.
Trolling is an utterly childish sense of humour.
You’d think we had lost at the weekend looking at the craic on here
The most amazing thing for me about Benny is that he has kicked off EVERYWHERE except here…top man management there considering the injury he had too. Apparently they give him a pease pudding stottie every time he’s a good boy
Right you are Troy.
Lets move on.
Are Everton a threat to us this season?
I was watching the game last night and was willing Everton on to win. But realistically, they are more of a threat to us then Man Utd.
Even losing Cahill and Rodwell, most of their fans will say they have had their best transfer window in years as neither did much for them last year.
Jelavic was a terrific signing for them and would have got far more praise had he not been outshone by Cisse.
They have a very good back four. And snippets of quality throughout the rest of the team.
If they start the season like the ended it they will have a very good season.
I’m probably more wary of them than Liverpool tbh.
We definitely have more potential worldies than them though.
@Moreno
I believe Pardew has been outstanding with all the players since he arrived. Even the ex players Barton, Nolan Carroll et al don’t have a bad word to say about him.
Barfa is more argumentative than me, though I find that hard to believe.
but Pards has kept him onside.
His next test is how he handles the Marveaux situation but the fact he hasn’t come out ranting and raving like others may, he may well have it in hand.
A group of people comprise of all sorts of characters and characters fall out. The skill is to get along with those you don’t care for.
“we’re never quite out of a game with him in the side”
That’s a fact and the reason Hatem will be so important and key to how well we will do this season.
Solano-they are indeed a threat, and i’d agree, more of one than Liverpool. Everton are basically what we were in the first half of last year, disciplined and strong at the back, except now for the first time in ages they have a great striker in Jelavic and now they’ve brought two more in.
I wanted them to win, but we need them to start badly otherwise they’ll be very competitive
@Trumpet
I never saw the Everton game. Considering they finished above Liverpool last season and the changes at the reds, the stability at Everton will see them victors again IMO .
I believe, if no players leave and we manage to get a CB and striker then we have a real chance of finishing top 6 again.
The window is shutting but it’s open til the latch is shut. Time yet. Please stand forward Andy Carroll.
@David H
I agree but the same can be said for Ba & Cisse.
I think it was about Ba’s first touch when he scored.
We have some real quality in this team.
Who did I tell to “f*ck off” Troy? Please enlighten me..I was giving JJ some advice, which he chose not to take..
Shall I troll back to the last line of you grass hopper post a month or two back, you know the one, you recycled it from when you used it on Andy too… That was abusive language if we are now taking the moral high ground..
@aussie
My god.
Tin helmets.
I didn’t say it to you and but I told someone to say it to you.
Please post my grasshopper one. It’s funny and I would like to see it again.
It’s not abusive.
I predicted Nagasaki would be Thursday not today.
Move on and get a grip.
Tll you what i do find these fall outs amusing ,but no ware near as good as the 1s i used to have on these blogs and i didnt have to use bad lanuage
Hypocrites.. one step below liars in my opinion…
Tell
@aussie
I’ve found that thread so now you’ve started it, which I have stated I wanted to move on, so I would like you to post the post prior to my grasshopper one in which you call me chicken shit Stavers.
And the post immediately after the grasshopper one.
Troy Stavers
1 mo ago
Just jokin Aussie
I’ve done the one immediately after for you.
That day was full of good humour and that grasshopper post is littered with smileys.
You knew it was a joke .
Hang your head in shame.
I want you to post my grasshopper one and put in all the smileys as they don’t cut and paste.
Also put in your first post and mine immediately after.
We are all waiting Aussie.
We are waiting Aussie.
Everyone note, this is Aussie bringing this issue up not me.
I would like to move on but Aussie needs to explain the rant he is describing.
@Aussie
You are looking like a liar and hypocrite here fella.
We are waiting for full disclosure.
The difference is Troy, and once again you blindly miss the point, I didn’t take offence and take you to task over it, yet some one else getting called a prick or allededly getting told to fuck off??? Causes you an issue… but hey, your the big man that decides we should move on and be civil..
This my last post today because this shit bores me to tears… good night all…
Woop! He’s gone. I’ve just zoomed in on google earth live and I can see him bashing his ute with a bush again.
You’re a rotter, a scallywag and vagabond Aussie
Let’s move on whilst Aussie gets over his epic huff.
Woo hoo hoo hooo hooo.
It’s an
Epic huff
He’s away to bed.
Close the door behind you as we can hear you crying
He never printed the post as he knew it would show him up.
That’s what I’m contending with here. Soft as clarts my Granda les used to say.
Anyway. I must go. So that gives the bores a chance to discuss an issue, agree with each other and them look vacantly at the computer thinking of what to say.
You know who you are . Try the fallback discussion which normally comes up, Xbox, computer games or plain old what you are having for tea.
Catch you’s later. Nighty nite.
Cheerist – here we go again!
Does it ever occur to you guys that logging on to a footie blog and finding it full of comments about the nature of football blogs is like buying a newspaper and finding it’s full of articles about printing presses??
For feck’s sake, guys – take it elsewhere, will ya?
Ok, rant over. Benny: just getting better and better. Possibly the best example of how Pards and his team seem to be able to squeeze the best out of players. No doubt he’ll be a bit, well… French… now and again, but his work-rate has gone from doubtful to impeccable in one season.
I love watching him play; he and Jonas must be a terrifying proposition for any full-back pairing.
Troy and Stardust,
Honest question…
Does your trolling ever get as tiresome to you as it does to every other blogger on here? What exactly do you achieve by “getting a bite”? Where is the excitement in this “game”? Is it an English cultural thing?
Does it give you some kind of sense of elation? Please explain?
nice to see this site become the “Troy show” again! ive really missed his cyber bullying mixed with hilarious humor
. hes a Legend in his own mind.
perhaps Aussie has ran off to .com to make new friends there
Troy make sure you put the lid on the laundry basket you don’t want to get a draft and it keeps it nice and dark
OT but has anyone got the new fifa game for xbox ? Any good ?
Back on Topic I have no doudt there will be times when Benny takes the huff, but I do think he feels the love and I think Pards has a good man management style, so I don’t worry too much about him. As Troy touched on Benny is the type of player that makes your ticket money well spent. I am a lover of hard working players but there is something special about a player like Benny.
@67 lol
woo hoo hoo hissy.. dont slam the … do’h!
Benny is by far our most creative player and the one teams fear most I think .If we look at Cisse and Ba they pretty much know what to expect and can plan to try and stop them but with Benny they just can’t be sure how to handle him. It reminds me of Tino Asprilla in a way ,I remember shearer was once asked how do opo teams deal with him when they don’t know what he’s gonna do next. Shearer replied “yeah ,nither do we ”
. The upside is when 2 or 3 guys are marking Benny they leave Cisse and Ba to cause havoc 
.
Kim,
I think when you look at our squad over, we have players who are goal threats absolutely everywhere.
Cisse, Ba, Ben Arfa, Cabaye, and perhaps Marveaux can create a chance out of absolutely nothing.
You can have a team like Swansea play pretty passes all around their own half but be absolutely useless and penetrating the last defences because they just lack that player that can create an opening or a goal from nowhere.
When you have that ability in attack and Benny plays a big role there. As well as the ability to control a possession with the likes of Tiote, Cabaye, Anita, Jonas and Colo who are all usually very assured in possession the team becomes a real threat.
When we mix in the passion and hardness of Taylor, which helps us cope against the Stokes/West Hams of the world then we have a squad that is the real deal.
In fact, I’d say the only thing we are lacking is a bit more of that hardness, against those long ball teams. So I would love to see Douglas and perhaps Carroll (at the right price) come in…
Problem with Carroll is he isn’t worth more than 10mil and he wouldn’t be a starter most games for me, plus Liverpool want way more so I really really don’t see that happening…
The only way to keep big players who offer something different happy sitting on the bench is to pay them very well (Dzeko at Man City)… Which we won’t do for a squad player. The best we can do is have someone like Shola… If only Shola had some pace and workrate.
I honestly believe we are a strong centre back, an attacking fullback, and a strong striker with excellent workrate away from being a top four team.
Dave @71,
Don’t encourage him. The thing with Troy is he does create interesting debate. But he fails to acknowledge when anybody else has made a valid point… which renders any debate pointless.
He then goes on to have some good fun in jest, but then the fun turns to pure irritation when he goes on and on and on and on and on… in a desperate attempt to make fellow blogger “think” he has bested his fellow blogger in a debate, by frantically typing post after post or sarcastic pompous garbage ridicule. If he did it once, fair enough, but he doesn’t stop and he completely takes over the thread.
This isn’t only insulting to the person who actually took the time to write the thread but also to the bloggers who get completely lost in the discussion.
When he reigns it it, Troy is an asset to the blog, unfortunately he doesn’t seem capable of doing it for any length of time.
(THIS IS A GOVERNMENT HEALTH WARNING. THIS POSTERIS LIABLE TO DISAGREE WITH YOUR POINT OF VIEW. DO NOT ENGAGE IF YOU ARE SENSITIVE AND LIABLE TO GO IN HUFFS)
@JJ
Ive just finished my bike ride.
What you fail to understand is, I only do the continuous ridiculing to individuals who use foul or abusive language.
My viewpoint that we were discussing yesterday was valid. I disagreed with you. What do you want me to do?
Agree with you?
It was as simple as that.
Today I moved on and made it plain to everyone I had moved on.
Aussie then jumps in again with his hands tied behind his back.
He’s a clown IMO and I wouldn’t dare show my face again if I pulled a hissy fit like that.
He’s a grown man. I wonder how half the people on here actually survive in the workplace. They must work from home and not see people.
Finally, this happened last time and I resorted to looking to .com to see if there were people with testosterone circulating thru their veins.
I have time for half a dozen on here at the most. The rest need to get some bollocks. One thing is for certain tho I will always engage in sensible debates but cross the line of slanderous comments and vulgar obscenities then be prepared for ridicule.
Anyway, I must shout too much as I might wake Aussie.
Hilarious performance from him over the last two days.
He must comeback under a different pseudonym surely.
@troy
obviously Thud and I are part of your fav 6. who are the other 3?
@ mark
You were the same as Aussie. Tried to play my game which I enjoyed but you too went into an ultra huff.
Please read my warning on the other post if you want to continue;-)
Troy,
Would you say my calling Stardust ‘a prick’ us any different from you calling someone ‘a mong’…
I might come from a rough neighbourhood but I don’t find either term overly vulgar…
I’ve called my best mates and Richie far worse…
round 10
lol im still fizzing now
lol I thought ‘mong’ wasnt so bad, his excuse for what he thought was a mong was even more insulting..
I also find it laughable how he took the morale high ground and then went on to call me a racist, amongst many other things…
Also, you eventually did agree during our debate that you had misunderstood me because you had taken my statement about selling Ben Arfa out of context. I actually mentioned in the same comment that Id just finished my article giving my full opinion on the matter … The same article which later appeared on the site.
You also agreed that nowhere had I ever called Ben Arfa useless or shocking as Stardust insisted I had…
So I think we actually made some progess. It wasn’t all bad, like you say, we won’t agree all the time.
2-0 to JJ
JJ @75: I agree. What gets me is, as you put it, the “sarcastic pompous garbage ridicule” from Troy. I wouldn’t mind it if he had actually won the argument and done you like a kipper, but he deliberately or unintentionally misses the point. I think it must be a defence mechanism for him to hide his limitations. I have a theory that this whole blog thing must be him confronting his fears. Either that, or he is a frustrated Rumpole.
He twists words, misquotes, gets himself in a knot, and bluffs, blusters and stonewalls when he’s nailed. His favourite tactic is to insist on sticking rigidly to his point, and accusing others of trying to duck the issue when they make a point and he doesn’t understand it or is not willing to see the relevance of it. He obviously sees himself safest when he does this. I don’t know how anyone dare do this and expect to have any credibility.
I noticed yesterday you were showing how your views on Benny some months back were very similar to Troy’s but he deliberately wanted to make more of your conclusion that you would sell him in due course if he didn’t get his finger out. He will manufacture the most non-contentious point if he sees an opportunity to capitalise.
He jumped on my comment that most, if not all, of the Carrol money had been spent and came out with some classic sweeping statements along the way that made him look more ridiculous. Such hypocrisy from the Sweeping Statement Police. Incidentally, I noted that after calling my appeal for support to fellow bloggers as cringeworthy, he said nowt when Stards did the same yesterday.
I didn’t half get him munching the other day when he came out with his his self-righteous treatise on “Abuse on the Blog”; a thousand words of complete blather. He was in such an indignant rage, I thought I would re-name him “Troy Tempest” or “Storm Stavers”. The whole thing could have been avoided if he had come out like a man and answered the many substantive questions I put to him.
As he failed to rise to the challenge, I have no choice but to rename him in accordance with the little man that he has shown himself to be. He was Humpty but from now on, he shall be known as little Vernon Troy, Chief of the Sweeping Statement Police.
JJ I think Troy knows me well enough
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and I used find it a bit uncomfortable to watch some of the shit that used to get threw at him, but he knows how to stick up for himsel and will always give as much back without resorting to lowering himsel to foul and abusive stuff
I will say in his defence there is a few on here that seem as if they go out of their way to try to get him to loss it, but I think he is wise to that ? actually I know he’s wise to it.
IMO he is a decent lad but maybe thats because we share the same views on things
But then at the other extreme I have a lot of time for Stardust who I don’t really share the same views with
I did say yesterday that I thought you deserved a break because I felt uneasy at watching you get both barrels even after you tried to call a truce,
But sure your a safa so you should be hard enough to take it
Here endeth my reading
must get back and do a bit, be careful out there it can be a dangerous place
Howay the Lads
BRISVEGAS @12
The thing is though, Ba and Cisse have took some awful penalties recently, so I wouldn’t have had much confidence in them taking one. Or should that be ‘pelanties’ as Waddle the mackem would say.
“I think it must be a defence mechanism for him to hide his limitations” – bingo!
The thing is it really isn’t nessessary. He’s a smart and funny man… But his exaggerated behavior only demonstrates insecurities…
Don’t stress Troy, we love you!
Honestly enjoy our debates. Win or lose… Just can’t handle the continuous trolling.
As for the Carroll arguement. I think we have spent the money. But were deceived by Lambase’ wording as to how we would spend the money.
Honestly though, that debate is dead now.
DJG – I was mouch more relaxed about Benny rather than Ba stepping up to take it. Your gut instinct tells you.
Dave
“JJ I think Troy knows me well enough I will say in his defence there is a few on here that seem as if they go out of their way to try to get him to loss it, but I think he is wise to that ? actually I know he’s wise to it. IMO he is a decent lad”
I agree, he does get unfounded stick as well. And I do think he is decent… Don’t really care what he thinks of me, it doesn’t mean I dislike him at all…
Just think he over does the whole trolling thing and goes on a bit much with the pompous ridicule…
I can take it… But some can’t and it can chase some bloggers away. Which is a pity. We need all sorts of characters.
JJ – you say the Carroll debate is dead now, but you haven’t got to live with little Vernon in the real world. I just hope he’s gone to the time and effort to print off our exchanges if he does bring it up.
The thing is that he lectures others about vulgarity and abuse. However, his form of abuse is different; its more subtle and far more insidious. IT MAKES YOU WANT TO SWEAR.
What about the spurs lads that have been on here? Cheeky little bighters.
I’ve always said the cockneys are salt of the earth, and would much rather have a pint with one than a scouser, generally speaking. However, they failed to mention how shite their support was. To be fair, they were great for five minutes. Yes five minutes, and then sat like goldfish the rest of the time. I don’t know what started them off, but their chant of “where’s your famous atmosphere?” was ironic to say the least.
If you’re going to travel that far, bring your voices.
B&B,
Correct, you can be just as insulting and condescending without swearing, but it doesn’t make it any better.
I’ve alway been blunt, no point flowering it up and being subtle when you mean the same thing… But that’s just me… I guess it makes some people feel more intelligent. I actually find it more abrasive than swearing because its sole purpose is to intimidate and be condescending.
I do feel very sorry for you living with him… But I bet you are close. Would love meet some of the characters on here in person.
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Well well well. Look what the cat dragged in Bumbling Boris comes out of his rage.
I take this opportunity to declare my allegiance to the upper class on this blog and my war of terror on the under class!
JJ & Bumbling Boris you are on the precipice of defeat. Declare your weapon you little toads.
Pen or pencil?
@Bumbling Boris
The Spuds atmosphere was the best I’ve seen from an away following all this season.
Seriously though, they absolutely outsang us until we scored.
It was embarrassing how loud they were and how quiet we were.
Troy,
Let me make a couple of points very clear mate. I was not in a huff at all. The moment you chose to ignore the point in question last night and go off on one of your usual rants, the conversation was dead to me. You see over the years I have seen how you debate & handle criticism. When someone calls you to task it normally results in you going off topic to try and cover your arse. In a typical, the best form of defence is attack fashion, you go overboard with irrelevant points and start name calling etc. Just have a look at your posts last night for example, and I must say I loved the careful editing you did with the grasshopper post. All you managed to mention was the smiley faces and the next post where you stated you were only joking. There was no mention of your abusive language at all – funny that. Now let me make this clear also so you can’t twist my words. I do not/did not have a issue with that post or call you to task on it. I have never had issues with language used on this site. But you “had issues” with me telling someone to “fuck off” (which I didn’t) and JJ calling someone a prick. Now that is really rich coming from someone that has hurled more abuse than most on here, but woo hoo hoo, you were only joking I guess.
So back to my original point last night. YOU were the one that dragged my name into this aurguement and then when I called you to task over it, you tell me to move on get over it.
You are a hypocrite and there is no escaping that fact, but unfortunately your ignorant nature does not allow you to see that within yourself.
So it is time for your next online persona – RIP Bobby – RIP Troy – maybe your new blog name can be Harry the Hypocrite
I am happy to discuss this with you if you are willing or able to stay on point but I fear that this will be impossible for you if history is anything to go by.
@aussie
Off to work but will respond later do keep an eye out.
Utter piffle above though.
But before I go, to say you weren’t in the huff is not putting you in a good light.
That was the huff of all huffs, bigger than Trumpets.
I will respond this morning hopefully if things are quiet at work.
If not later.
I await your drivel…….
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@Aussie
Your first point about not being in the huff needs no explaining. 9 out of 10 cats preferred to believe you were.
and clearly are still purring like a pussy. 
Your second pointer you make was about me ignoring your original point.
You didn’t have a point? The debate had nothing to do with you. You butted in mine and JJ’s discussion. We were having a healthy debate, ( stardust and JJ’s may have been more messy) and you jumped in and advised him to tell us to Fuck off.
Your third point is about me ranting as I normally do if someone brings me to task. Unfortunately, your head must be spinning like your boomerang.
It’s me that brings others to task only for using foul and abusive language. It’s at that point I ridicule them relentlessly and it normally ends up that the perpetrator (you in this case) cries victim.
This brings me nicely onto your third point.
You state I was the one dragging your name into the argument.
You need to reflect on this. It was YOU that brought yourself into a debate that had nothing to do with you by advising JJ to tell me to fuck off.
You need to learn in future if you wish to join a debate you do it civily.
Your fourth point is about me carefully editing my posts.
Au contrare my little Aussie friend. It was you who taunted me asking if i wanted you to troll thru previous posts and discuss the grasshopper one.
On my way thru trawling the blog to find it I never realised how abusive you’ve actually been and I’ve laughed every remark off.
I finally found the thread and noticed you are calling me Chicken shit Stavers prior to my grasshopper one.
Again I laughed that off as I saw it as a piss take.
I looked at my grasshopper post and you can clearly see it was a piss take.
Within 1 minute and the very next post I stated only jokin Aussie with a smiley.
Every man and his dog could see that thread was littered with humour.
YOU chose to bring that up yesterday and I encouraged you to print it for all to see.
You then disappeared and came back with an almighty hissy fit.
I was not the one who was going to print it. I was egging you on cos I wanted to see you fall down the bog into your own faeces.
You knew you had gaffed when I kept asking you to print it. You wouldn’t dare cos it showed you up as being a scurrilous hypocrite yourself.
Finally, there are so many bloggers on this site that I don’t have an issue with. They blog without swearing, name calling or misquoting.
If you analyse my debates then you will quickly notice that whoever I am debating with, other little terriers are biting my ankles trying to goad me into a bite. I never bite as I take the whole thing with a pinch of salt. I have no fear of being shown up or ridiculed. It’s part of the banter.
But whenever someone tries it then they better be prepared to take me on in the ridicule game. Unfortunately I always seem to make you and others bite like snappers and go off and play the victim.
There are dozens on this site that I don’t ridicule at all. I don’t need to, they don’t swear or be abusive or twist words.
I fail to see where I’ve deviated away from any point and I implore you to give me an example where I’ve done that with you.
Regarding getting banned, 9 times as Bobby Shinton and Troy, it was thru people like yourself getting upset because they started their ridiculing and when I responded they ran off to Toonsy.
It was quite noticeable that whenever I was banned there were many on the site supporting me and I was reinstated. Many came out and recognise the situation I repeatedly find myself in.
I suggest you change your name as you surely can’t comeback after your humongous hissy fit .
The only alternative;
An apology from you will draw a line under it for me and we start afteash.
Troy Stavers says:
August 21, 2012 at 12:00
@JJ , & Trumpet & Aussie if he’s out there
Let’s move on and lets disagree with each other civily instead calling some one a prick or to fuck off.
That was my only issue yesterday.
You didn’t have a point? The debate had nothing to do with you. You butted in mine and JJ’s discussion. We were having a healthy debate, ( stardust and JJ’s may have been more messy) and you jumped in and advised him to tell us to Fuck off. This brings me nicely onto your third point.
Like you always say Troy – It said that (get fucked) in jest….. I couldn’t have cared less about the arguement that you had butted into as well.
You state I was the one dragging your name into the argument.
You need to reflect on this. It was YOU that brought yourself into a debate that had nothing to do with you by advising JJ to tell me to fuck off.
See top of post…… Yep univited….
And as far as getting you banned….. I have never once complained to anyone about you and Toonsy can back this up… I never mentioned anything about you getting banned but I guess that it is everyone elses fault that you did get banned 9 times. It was never your fault I guess.. Like I said that had nothing to do with me…
Once again you have skirted the point nicely… You have been abusive in the past (when I get home I can troll back on my computer if you like) and yet you take the moral high ground and have issues with things I write…
Typical, it’s like the gaffs you make and yet you jump down everyones else throat when they make one. You seem like a good lad but by f*ck you have serious short term memory losses and I don’t like people that bully others when they are far from perfect themselves…
And to reconfirm, I was not in a huff…. Part of my job is dealing with difficult characters and I have dealt with way harder and bader than you mate… As soon as you ranted you lost my attention… I just couldn’t be bothered…
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@Aussie
I’m yet to see the gaffs you claim I have made.
The only issues I called wrong were the source info of players leaving which I have been humble about and put my hands up. Please list the gaffs and don’t make excuses. We will go thru them one by one. No gaffs fella;-)
You have failed to answer why you didn’t print the grasshopper post only to say it was in jest as was your post when you told JJ to tell me to fuck off.
Big big difference. Mine was clarified immediately with a clear statement it was a joke. Yours wasn’t.
There were times during my discussion where we were debating and it was getting heated. You then jumped in. You need to learn when and how to join a discussion.
You have been in a humongous huff of mega proportions and to deny it makes you look more foolish.
I await your reply with excitement.
Look how you two are playing so nicely again…
Troy,
In all honesty, do you really think “pr#ck” was that bad? I really didn’t feel it was that offensive. You think its just my lack of class that I don’t personally find these things offensive?
Troy, I generally work off a tablet and it is a mongrel to navigate. If you know the post in question please tell me the date and I will post it.. Or feel free to post it yourself, go for it.. Or when I get a chance to get on my PC I can go back even further and pull out a few more of your verbal gems.. I used the grass hopper post because it came readily to mind.. In response to when I should join a discusion… I posted that comment when no one else was online due to it being early am over your way.. didn’t seem like the wrong time to me… maybe you were arguing with JJ in your dreams…
Just admit you were hypocrtical with your post and apologise to me, and JJ for that matter and we can get on with our lives..
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@Aussie
I love it
Just admit you are hypocritical with your post and apologise. Woo hoo hoo hoo
Let’s move on and rip the piss out of each other.
Is your ute ok now since you’ve finished battering it with your bush?
Done deal….. now fuck off you prick
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@JJ
I still think calling someone a prick on a blog is wrong. I’m the least sensitive person on here it seems but when I first started on here a few years ago it was full of people doing exactly that.
It’s took a long time to get it cleaned up and I won’t allow you or Aussie to spoil it.
Troy @108
Well thank goodness we have upstanding citizens like you on here to keep things clean.
I agree the blog would turn to trash if we had people on here using profanatory languague like “prick” and “you absolute mong”.
Also thankful despite my name calling someone didn’t resort to any retaliation and held the moral higher ground…
God forbid they had gone on to false and unfounded accusations of racism without any proof or reason what so ever… Or resorted to childish condescending name calling like rotter, toad, rapscallion and other such speech which hasn’t been heard since the queen lost her virginity in 1562
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Could you imagine if we had people then resorting to completely fabricated statements that someone had called a certain player useless and shocking, simply to strengthen a pathetically weak arguement…
That would be shameful
I congratulate you sir, protector of the peace. You are the standard for which all blog morality is set…
I applaud you
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