Can Cisse steal the show once more?
Newcastle inflicted revenge on our first home game back in the league after returning from the Championship as champions. On that day Andy Carroll grabbed a hat-trick, Kevin Nolan scored twice and Joey Barton scored a screamer which gave us a brilliant 6-0 victory over Villa. Hopefully Newcastle will be able to replicate that game on Sunday when Villa arrive at St James’ Park.
After our midweek Europa League win against Atromitos which saw us enter the group stages of the competition, I think we can expect to see many changes to the starting XI as the team who started against the Greeks was very much a second string side.
The United squad is growing thinner due to injury concerns and the Europa league clash didn’t help as both Ryan Taylor and James Perch had to be replaced due to injury, with Ryan Taylor’s injury proving to be a lot worse than Perch’s and could see the ‘over the wall’ star miss out on several months of action for us.
Injuries: Sammy Ameobi, Shola Ameobi (both hamstring), James Perch (neck), Ryan Taylor (knee). Check Tiote is a doubt.
In this fixture last year it was Papiss Cisse who stole the show as he made his debut for Newcastle in front of a packed St James’ Park. And he did not disappoint as he rocketed a left footed strike into the top corner and gave United all three points in the 2-1 win. I’m sure we all hope that he can nick a goal or two against Villa again as by his standards he has hit a bad run of form.
Anticipated starting XI (4-4-2) – Tim Krul, Danny Simpson, Steven Taylor, Fabricio Coloccini, Davide Santon, Hatem Ben Arfa, Yohan Cabaye, Vurnon Anita, Jonas Gutierrez, Demba Ba, Papiss Cisse.
And for Aston Villa (4-4-2) – Shay Given, Matt Lowton, Ron Vlaar, Ciaran Clark, Joe Bennett, Chris Herd, Karim El Ahmadi, Barry Bannan, Charles N’Zogbia, Nathan Delfouneso, Darren Bent
Out: Gabriel Agbonlahor (knee), Marc Albrighton (foot), Richard Dunne (groin), Gary Gardner (knee)
On paper our team is much stronger and should get all three points but as we know football is not played on paper, Villa are perhaps our bogey side aswell as we have only won three of the last ten meetings against them.
Overall I think we have enough quality to see of Villa and I’m going for a 2-0 win for Newcastle, Cisse with both goals.
What do you think?
Howay the lads!
Date: Sunday, 2nd September, 2012
Kick-off: 16.00 (Although not on Sky or anything like that)
Venue: St James’ Park
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Same result as Febuary and I’ll be more than happy.
hopefully
On paper you’d say we should win ,however strange things happen with Toon .we beat the big boys and mess up against the likes of Wigan etc. But I’m going for a Toon win 3.1 Cisse , Benny and a Saylor header
from a corner 
Drogba is a free agent
Sign him up, Pardsy sign him uuuuhp!
Cisse’s about due.
The Drog been released by his club now a free agent , would love him at the Toon .
Newkie ,Snap
2-1 win for me, Benny and Ba with Insomnia to score against us
Micky owen will be gutted that’s gonna push him down the list of wanted freebies now
Drogs. Imagine.
Kimtoon
Drogba can sign on and for payment Cisse can teach him how to score wonder goals like the one vs Chelsea
I fully expect QPR to sign up Drogba ,why not they’ve only signed 9 this window
Newkie ,Aye ,I loved the look on his face when that flew in .
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Obviously no game is a formality however if we expect to finish as high as last season, we should expect to beat Villa at home.
Yeah QPR must have about 40 players now, shame they’re all shite as some might have been worth picking up…Bothroyd as a 4th choice striker on loan if they’re desperate?
According to the BBC match stats we’re unbeaten in the last 10 pl matches against Villa. Right, that’s ignoring the loss where we got relegated then?
Oh wait it meant “home side” as the actual home side, rather than Newcastle…my bad
If Anita does start would like him to push up more as he was much more effective when (I think it was) Cabaye went off v Chelsea as he took his place. His energy is wasted at DM position.
442 formation will be used as Pardew likes to keep things tight at home. I feel the 433 formation is more suited away from home to hit teams on the counter.
Also, i may as well add my view on the transfer window. We have shown intent by holding onto the main spine of the team. The club was clear from day 1, we will only consider over the top offers for our best players.
Now where my opinion is different from others is our youngsters/reserves that are coming through should be given a chance to fight for the remaining 2-3 spaces when injuries occur. Why pay 6-7 million for a player when we have young and hungry players already on the books.
Always astonishes me when players dont get a look in when they are getting a wage from a club. If they dont then we may as well just burn money.
Quietly confident for the season ahead. No predictions from me I’ll leave that to the more experienced bloggers
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On a positive note about the window. Marveaux if he stays fit will be like a new signing.
It’s not all doom and gloom.
drogba would be a good catch it would never happen with fat man 3-0 benny cissie ba how way the lads
I think we start 4-4-2 but if we can’t boss the midfield we switch to 4-2-3-1. Ba drops to LAM Jonas CDM alongside Tiote which allows Cabaye to move up to CAM. All good except we seem to waiting till HT before we switch.
is there any stream ware the match is on
Belter-Ayup, I think a midfield 3 of Anita Cabaye and Tiote would be brilliant, Tiote and Anita have great work ethic and energy, as well as Cabaye obviously, but those two would allow our front three to cause serious damage and allow Cabaye to provide plenty of opportunities…
Come on Pards lad, switch it up please
Drogpa means we lose another to the ACON. Better than last free last minute signing.
Would we be able to sign Drogba after the transfer window, even if he’s a freebie? Thought it was only if ya had no strikers ie after Carroll we got Kuqi.
Free agents can be signed anytime.
Newkie – alreet. With those 3 i would prefer tiote to stay back and let cabaye and anita assist the front 3. With barfa cisse and ba.
Only thing with this formation is it leave a gaping hole in front of our full backs and as history shows us they get caught out alot and generally need help from the wingers.
wooo hooo hoooo nice one troy
“On a positive note about the window. Marveaux if he stays fit will be like a new signing.
It’s not all doom and gloom”
When did you ditch BigDave and the negger train? good on you m8
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@andymag
You can sign freebies but Drog will demand huge wages I would imagine and would expect to play every game or he would go in the huff.
Wrong player altogether for us.
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@Newkie
I’m looking forward to seeing Anita, Tiote and Cabaye in midfield to see if it works out. It does on paper.
Premandup-But its Ivory coast vs Senegal to get there, so we’d only lose either ba/cisse or droggy so technically he’d be the perfect one to get
Belter-Yeah….I’d prefer them to sit back and use their energy to protect the Cbs and Fbs and only come forward to knock in crosses/the odd long shot, if we’re going to use 2 dms and two forward wingers then the DMs need to be really energetic and have the legs for it, I think Anita/Tiote could handle it, just like Jonas. Guthrie couldn’t and I doubt any of our other CMs could either tbh..
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@Mark
Don’t jump in the deep end with your hands tied behind your back.
I’m still on the train and have posted many times regarding the transfer window and how I see it.
Please read my previous posts and the disclaimer before you continue. You know you are liable to huffs and hissy fits.
Troy-Yeah, it’s an exciting prospect
I thought the reality train was al about ashley taking us nowhere?
“We will never achieve either of those under Ashley.
Any of the big spending clubs are always capable of doing either.
You have to accept that we are always going to be a run of the mill club under Ashley” from relegation to Europe in 3 seasons doesnt seem run of the mill..
“The likes of us will have to be shrewd and buy as we have but you can’t expect anything other than mediocrity in the long run”…
you seem quite happy with Ashley now and can see how things should be run at the Toon, don’t be getting defensive! I was supporting your new stance against the negger train..
Villa are not gonna want to make it 3 league losses in the bounce ao I think they will try shut up shop and get a pint. Think Ben Arfa will be the key tomorrow. Will go 1-0 to us. Cisse to score. Ben Arfa with the assist
See Newkie, this management thing is piss easy
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When you start weighing up options in midfield its sounds promising. Its our defence that concerns most. I just feel though whenever perch/willo have been called upon at the cb position they have done little wrong.
Unfassionable players doesnt always mean bad players.
Anyone no for sure that Tiote is out or was it just a story to put off would be buyers.
The starting X1 is easy to pick but what is always crucial is the bench. Either to hopefully see the win out or go chasing the win. Goalie I am not bothered who it is. Would have Perch as defender. Obertan Marveux and Vuckic did enough the other night. Last choice would be Bigi or Amitalfrano. Tough on Williamson and Tavernier but if it was an away game I might have included them.
The Club tell you nowt so can somebody tell me how long Abeid is out for plus the Ameobi’s
Belter-Exactly, Andre Villas Boas is a lucky twat that he lived next to sir Bobby and got a shot, I could have done that like
I have to agree with you, whilst I think CB is the place where we could probably have improved the first team and squad the most with a signing, Perch and Willo aren’t as horrific as has been made out before. Same story as Simmo.
Don’t know that abeid is out. He played for the reserves against Spurs. Think it may be sign that AP thinks he ain’t quite ready yet.
wow that was easy!!. it was like Tyson v pee wee herman
Toby-No idea, I’m hoping it was just a precaution/put off clubs, or even entice them by keeping him injury free…Hoping he’ll be fine for the match.
No idea on the Ameobis
I think Perch is a perfect example on not giving up on a player or working with our backup squad to improve the squad as a whole. We dont always need to bring in new players.
What really helps players also improve at a squad is stability and we have finally got that here. All players seem comfortable around each other now so they can fully concentrate on improving their game.
Youngsters also look at players like Perch and think if they can break into the first team they have a chance.
AVB takes the mick out of managers who work their way up from struggling teams. But then again who would turn down the wages he was on.
Just goes to show some clubs go for reputation over pedagree.
Yeah, it’ll be interesting to see how he does at Spurs. Hopefully he’ll leave them completely fucked
Then again, you don’t just go out and win a European competition by sheer luck. Well, unless your name is Roberto Di Matteo…
Cheers Premandup & Troy, was just checking
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TROY @30 that will work if pardew plays 433 and pushes Cabaye up and gives HBA & Marveaux permission to just play and switch flanks whenever they want with Ba or Cisse as the lone striker . Marveaux has more to offer than he has been able to show up untill now .
dave are you about mate
KK dave still useing some of the hankys i sent him,his eyes will be red
dog ive messaged him just wonderd if he was about
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@Mark
Good to see you have manned up and are prepared for a discussion without going in a hissy fit
Aye. Since those days when I constructed the reality train with my bare hands, ( I knocked in every bolt and rivet, welded the iron framework during the night between work, collected the coal from seaton sluice beach and took my steam engine driving certificate) I have reflected .
It turns out that it was all worthwhile. Apparently Big Mick & Dekka read my posts and believed in my prophecies.
They went out and bought Cisse. Just the type of player I had been crying out for. The reason why I built the train in the first place was because Lamearse told us that £10m trophy buys were long gone.
I’m pleased he listened to the wise words of Troy.
No credit to me mind Mark! It was my deceased grandma Baba Vanga who told me thru the spirits that I had to build the train.
Grandma Baba RIP but keep in touch.
Someone get little Verne a bigger stool so he can see what’s happening, man.
Mark, I can’t believe how much little Verne Troyer has been all over the shop. Wasn’t he going to blast Llambias after the window shut? Just wait; just wait; little Verne’s getting his gloves on and counting down to midnight. Get running, Llambias!
TROY for all the sense you often make , i sometimes bloody wonder ,were do you get it all from m8 . What the hell do you put in your tea.
‘Kick-off: 16.00 (Although not on Sky or anything like that)’
Well it’s not on a Saturday so 15.00 kickoff is irrelevant.
@Troy
Well, what ever the excuse it’s just nice to see the positive side of you, Wolfie and Thud would be ever so pleased.
I havent manned up, I’m still fizzing, that’s why I haven’t posted on here for ages. I’ve been bed-ridden with depression since that hissy incident. My wife ran upstairs with the unbelievable news that you had come to your senses and believed in Ashley after years of bashing, anger and negativity, well your enlightened post regarding u being happy with signing Anita made my day.. cheers m8
I have to respond to Little Verne Troyer’s point on a previous thread. He says,
“The point of mentioning the players totally £20m – £25m was to show that the bids we had made so far totalled that amount. I really thought at long last the regime may be learning their lessons and started to listen to Pards.”
Wooo hoooo hoooo!
At last little Verne explains himself. Ignoring how bad he has called it, what a muddle he has got into!
As a reminder, Little Verne jumped on Bumbling Boris for having the common sense to recognize and to state the Carroll money was spent. If Troyer was expecting to see it spent, he was delusional. The transfer kitty is what Mikey says it is – neither more nor less. Don’t entertain the idea that they will spend that money because they have said its not there to spend. The accounts even show it.
Mocking Boris, Little Verne came out with the classic that the accounts that included the Carroll money were IRRELEVANT to the question of what had happened to the Carroll money! HE HAS STILL NEVER ATTEMPTED TO CLARIFY THIS COMMENT.
According to Little Verne, the money was still there, well £25M to £30M. As evidence he cited the anticipated purchases of Carroll, Douglas, Debuchy etc. “I really thought at long last the regime may be learning their lessons”, he says.
A reminder of Little Verne’s previous statement, “The club will come up with excuses again like they did with the Carroll money. Suckers like you always fall for the spin.”
So Bumbling Boris with his questions was trying to establish what the %$£* Little Verne was saying. The club will spend or it won’t? The club has got the money or it hasn’t?
Little Verne can add all that to these recent classics,
“I thought Bigi looked either rusty or out of his depth for most of his play.”
“Our fringe players who are expected to cover for cup games were kak against a kak team.”
“Tiote to Chelsea today I reckon. £20m will be too much for Jabba to turn down.”
Feck me its getting like .org used to be on here , every bugger picking childish fights with each other . Lets get a grip people and debate without the play ground fights.
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@Mark
Good comeback but I have my beady eye on you. Any sign of a hissy fit and I will activate my hissy fit identifier.
It sends an electric shock via Toonsys house electricity fuse box directly to your beds electric blanket. It costs me nowt but Toonsy has agreed to pay the bill.
@Axel
It’s not my tea it’s the red wine.
Little Verne says to Bumbling Boris, “…you seem satisfied with premier league survival as long as the players do their best. Incredible statement from an incredible person.”
A complete, convenient misrepresentation of what Bumbling Boris said. A typical, massive Troyer distortion. Put words in other people’s mouths and then shoot them down.
Bumbling Boris actually said, “I think we’ve got a good first team, and a decent squad. I’m looking forward to the season, and to seeing how the squad copes. I expect every player to dig deep and play their part. As long as they do that and we stay up, I won’t mind. Anything else is a bonus. I don’t see any point in your negativity.”
If the team Jabba has assembled plays to its full potential, Boris would be very happy because it is packed with quality and the whole squad is decent to say the least. The proviso about “staying up” just meant that, in trusting to fortune, obviously, Boris would not be happy if we got relegated. WHY IS LITTLE VERNE MOCKING BUMBLING BORIS FOR THIS?
As Little Verne wants to jump on the regime for the their transfer dealings or lack of them, Bumbling Boris asked and is still waiting for answers to:
“HOW DO YOU EXPECT US TO DO BETWEEN NOW AND JANUARY WITH THE SQUAD JABBA HAS ASSEMBLED?”
“WHY WOULD IT NOT BE BETTER TO WAIT UNTIL JANUARY TO SEE IF WE NEED TO STRENGTHEN UP FRONT OR IN DEFENCE, DEPENDING ON WHERE WE ARE HIT BY INJURIES OR LOSS OF FORM, PARTICULARLY IF WE CAN GET OUR TARGETS CHEAPER?”
“WHY DO YOU WANT TO JUMP ON LLAMBIAS AT 12 MIDNIGHT, BEARING IN MIND WE HAVE KEPT ALL PREDATORS AT BAY?”
Not much chance of answers from the wee man, who certainly knows how to hide from questions he can’t answer without contradicting himself somewhere or other. How long has Bumbling Boris been waiting for a response to “WHY DO YOU SAY EVERY CLUB HAS A WAGE CAP AND ITS RIDICULOUS TO SAY OTHERWISE?”
Lets see if Troyer answers.
Yeh, Axel, they should get a room and hug it out. They’re clearly in love.
I see Troyer’s indirectly claiming credit for the Cisse purchase now. His reality train helped Dekka come to his senses and bring it about.
Wasn’t that deal done in a January window, Troyer?
I see lame arse has encouraged streakers at SJP now!
He’s only got himself to blame.
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@Bumbling Boris
Do you recall the point in the Fox & Hounds when you explained about the Carroll money?
It was the point when halfway thru your explanation I started to salivate at the mouth and stared at you like a chameleon? One eye was fixed on your blank expression and the other on the customers chuckling at your ridiculousness.
I said at the time, you really have misunderstood the entire argument which has raged on for 6 months on the blog.
Wow! That was a day to remember. I came out the pub and stood in a huge dog turd which smeared up my trouser leg. It was at this point, having spent an hour in your company absolutely flabbergasted, that I genuinely thought, oh well things are improving !
What is it with you and your ability to understand simple things? I’ve now realised I’m not simple as you clearly don’t get me.
I will explain again, however I did reiterate this during our epic saga, I fully understand what Lamearse and Big Mick say about the cash being spent. The point that every om, ick and Arry has expressed over 6 months was either you were on the side of believing the terrible duo about how the money was spent on agent fees, signing on fees, underground heating, dugout seats or you didn’t fall for the bullshit they gave.
They quoted costs of fees but failed to mention Carrolls wages saved, Barton’s , Nolans, smiths et all.
Let’s clarify, I fully understood what Big Mick was saying about the Carroll money being spent. My whole point which myself and many others contested over 6 months was totally lost on Bumbling Boris who jumps in the debate 6 months later and all the previous facts fly over his napper.
The next time you feel like joining in a discussion, research the facts first. I’ve always done that
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@Bumbling Boris
Please explain the following whilst your on?
I see Troyer’s indirectly claiming credit for the Cisse purchase now. His reality train helped Dekka come to his senses and bring it about.
Wasn’t that deal done in a January window, Troyer?
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@Elvin
I’m not sharing a room with my brother, bumbling Boris, that’s incest man!
Why did we ever let Routledge go….
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@Bumbling Boris
You say I’m claiming credit indirectly for the signing of Cisse.
Not at all, I’m claiming direct credit for the signing of Cisse. I’ve got a feeling Cisse read my posts.
Troy funny enough there was a few of us protesting for a striker last window when everyone else was saying we would be alright then next you knew we got Cisse
I wonder where we would have finished without him 
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@Big Dave
Do you not find it humorous/annoying when we get accused of criticising the regime cos things turned out different to what we said?
We reacted to past mistakes from Ashley who is quoted as saying he fell woefully short as a club owner. His words not ours.
We had Lamearse telling us the days of trophy signings were over. Everything was on the cheap.
We explained that we understood about curtailing spending on the Freddie Shephers scale but to progress you have to pay for real quality.
If anyone cares to challenge me on the pre & post Cisse era then I’m open to debate.
That was the defining moment where I thought the regime were now changing tack and jumping on the reality train.
My feelings on the striker hype last season was that another would be good but that we had a solid team and we would do well even without one, whereas most people who disagreed with me seemed to suggest our team would struggle/be relegation battlers without a money signing. We did pretty well without the proven PL 20 goal a season striker that some were hankering for really.
Troy you know aswell as I do yhat some fans deep down will agree with our stance but they’ll still make excuses for Jabba and co because they don’t have the heart to say a bad thing about him.
But I was thinking about the Cisse one today and before the Jan window when we said we needed another striker I couldn’t believe how much abuse we got from some of the blogger about we already had Ba why did we need another striker, then bang in comes Cisse and now people are saying about how lucky we are to have 2 top strikers but if it was their call we would still only have Ba
As for criticising the regime while they still fall short I will still voice my concerns I would rather die on my feet fighting than lying on my backing submitting
Newkie do you really think we would be in the Europa lge if we didn’t get Cisse ????
Dave-No, probably not. Do you think we would have been in the Europa league without our brilliant half season without Cisse?
I wanted a new striker but people kept going on about proven PL and such nonesense, Cisse was exactly the kind of striker we needed and at a pittance, 9mil for a striker is nowt in todays market.
Quis separabit and goodnight all
There were plenty who didn’t rate Ba as well. Maddening. Then when he was one of the most talked about strikers in Europe people wanted him benched in the second half of the season, and even now. Crazy if you ask me as the jury is still out on who is the better player…even if Ba is out of position.
Night Dave, make sure you “get behind the lads for the Villa” match right?
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@Newkie
There’s is not one person on this blog (well maybe delusional Wolfie exempt) who predicted we would have done so well last season.
That credit has to go to Cisse’s arrival which went against everything the board had previously been saying in public about how much money they would spend on a player.
They actually tried to get him in the summer but were put off by the £14m asking price. Who knows, but when the reality train was in full steam with Batty shovelling the coal, and if they listened to us we might have finished in the CL.
There’s a lot of people out there that need to apologise to the founder members of the reality train. Me, Dave & Batty.
Wonder if we’ll play 2512 again today.
Newkie I don’t know about proven PL as I can’t remember that many calling that he had to be a PL striker, but I always maintained we needed a proven quality striker it didn’t really matter to me if it was Pl or any other lge as long as he was a quality proven striker
“There’s is not one person on this blog (well maybe delusional Wolfie exempt) who predicted we would have done so well last season.”
Now there’s a sweeping statement, Troy. Do you have facts to back that up? You being the keeper of all truth an’ all.
Troy keep the good fight going but you’ll need to do it without me as my lass keeps reminding me that even on our 25th anniversary you are always thinking of the blog
catch you’s tomorrow sometime 
Troy-How do you mean going against the club’s policy? Pretty sure they’ve said they’ll pay what a player is worth. Cisse was worth the price so they bought him. 10mil is not marquee, five years ago? Aye maybe, but now, really?
I never claimed we’d do so well, I just thought we had a good team and wouldn’t struggle, and we didn’t
Credit has to go to the whole squad, players who had been ruled and and continuously deemed shit, Perch, Simpson, Willo. People who claimed the foreigners wouldn’t work, that Ba would be shit/crocked, that Cabaye wouldn’t fit in, that Ben Arfa was greedy/would never fit in. Don’t see how you can lay it all on Cisse to be honest, the shaping of our team in a new formation combined with several players hitting super form all contributed…
Dave-Not saying you did, but t was certainly said by others
Ahh, Big Dave knows it’s not true because he’s been back and searched through the threads
Actually Troy, didn’t we bid 12mil for Nzogbia in Jan two years ago? Yet more proof, Ashley is a big spender
Troyer – TYPICAL ARROGANCE, NO ANSWER AND COMPLETE DISTORTION. You go on as if its “your” blog, and “your” argument. Why would I know about some argument you were having months previously, but more importantly, why did you jump to the conclusion that what I was saying was a continuation of it? That now appears to be the thrust of your criticism because you’ve got nowt else. Pathetic!
Furthermore, how do you explain the contradictions in your posts?
You obviously did think that the money was still there; and you even pointed to the rumoured signings as evidence of it. Naive in itself, but how silly to add up all the estimated fees of transfer targets to come to your total spend of £25M or so. What a hypocrite to call me one of the “suckers” that always “falls for the spin”, when you have clearly shown yourself to be exactly that on this issue. Even if you did believe it at the time, why did you think it was good evidence in support of your argument to point to the total potential fees to be paid for Anita, Debuchy, Douglas, and Carroll? Any body else would just suspect this lot could well be simply looking to buy any one of them but not all.
NO ANSWERS TO MY OTHER QUESTIONS ALSO, JUST AS I PREDICTED.
DON’T BE A LITTLE MAN. CLIMB ON YOUR STOOL, LOOK YOUR FELLOW BLOGGERS IN THE EYE, AND APOLOGISE FOR YOUR MUDDLED THINKING.
Bris, people actually do that? My god, I thought I was safe with my sweeping quotes and comments…damnit
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@Bumbling Boris
All your questions have been answered. In that there is no doubt.
I am still waiting for you to check back thru the posts and realise that two threads ago you disappeared into the night like blind moth.
I answered your question, then it was my turn. Please answer why you would be happy why you would be satisfied if everyone tried their best and we achieved premier league survival bearing in mind we finished 5th this season. ?
Secondly, in this blog you stated;
I see Troyer’s indirectly claiming credit for the Cisse purchase now. His reality train helped Dekka come to his senses and bring it about.
Wasn’t that deal done in a January window, Troyer?
Can you explain what you meant?
This is the second time I’ve had to ask you on both subjects.
I notice the blind moth sensed some light a few minutes ago but shed none on the discussion.
Yeah, Newkie. It happens. I love doing it. Archives used to be my job for 15 years; I love them. It’s a genuine historic interest of mine. Others, however, do it to embarrass people and some do it to clear their name.
It annoys me when contemporary records are misused (and abused) – especially when they are ‘re-written’ to serve a point. As Troy has done above.
“There’s is not one person on this blog (well maybe delusional Wolfie exempt) who predicted we would have done so well last season.” This is, quite simply, not true. And is used only to serve a personal point.
Happy Anniversary Big D.
You say, “But he didn’t insread of paying of the debt because it was his mistake he decide to pay it of by loaning himsel the money, which then becomes our debt but if/when he sells the club you can be sure his debt will be covered, but until then he is going to make our club pay.”
If I have followed what you’re saying teh club is no worse off. I see it like this. Please pull me up on anything that you think is incorrect factually, and obviously feel free to disagree about my conclusion. He bought the club without doing the DD. He had to act quickly to take advantage of the fact that FFS was in hospital. If he had left it, it might never have happened. Who knows, in five years time, he might turn a small fortune on it, so I wouldn’t say he was a silly fuker and he’s no more greedy than you or I in the same situation. He is a very astute self made entrepreneur.
After buying the club, he discovered that it had large outstanding debts on player transfers. He, therefore, decided to use his personal money and give the club an interest free loan rather than have the club pay to a third party substantial amounts of interest. The club is, therefore, better off on this score as a result of his intervention. If he sells the club, the new owner could keep the debt situation as it is i.e. repay Ashley his loan and replace it with a new one; or give the club money to pay it off. However, the crux is that this was a debt racked up by FFS on the likes of Owen. It would still be there if FFS had been there, but the club would be paying out heavily in interest.
Lets say it is a debt of £27M we’re talking about. That is a lot of money for the club to owe on top of everything else. However, Ashley has lost many more times that in one day, so he wasn’t too concerned. Rather, it was when the SD share price got hammered and hundreds of millions were knocked off his personal wealth that things changed. I think he went from £1.9 BN to less than £1BN in a very short space of time. Indeed, I got the feeling, when that happened, it gave him a hell of a jolt. It was bound to. He realised that NUFC would have to pay its way otherwise it too could seriously damage his wealth. I hate him for many things, but I don’t see how anyone can point the finger at him on this score.
If anybody wants to criticise him for the way he is running the club financially, I think they should put their money where their mouth is and buy it. Become a self-made man, earn the money and buy it. If he was putting the club in financial jeopardy that would be different. Would some fans want to go the way of Man Utd, for example, under the Glasers?
This is my analysis, but I am happy to stand to be corrected on any of the facts.
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@Begas
My god you take life so serious!
Absolutely incredible! Woo hoo hoo hoo
Do you ever look at yourself in the mirror and think to yourself, Begas you’re a prize chump who has no sense of humour.
Off to bed. Don’t wish me goodnight. I hate it .
So, it would seem you’ve been caught out. And off you go … into what you call a hissy fit.
Bris-Surely you’re not accusing Troy of such actions…Yeah, I can remember people saying that stuff because I actually wrote an article about it in response to people saying it. Not that I’m going to go back and name and shame people but they know who they are so meh.
Troy’s wrong on that, just like he was just now when I picked him up on the marquee signing bit, but it looks like he’s bailing because he can’t find an answer
Troyer @ 88. It really is so tiresome. You haven’t answered any of the questions I’ve put to you so who are you kidding? You’re only kidding yourself. In fact, let me call you a liar and see if you’ve got the balls to stand up like Big Dave does when anyone calls him a liar, and refute the allegations in full. List all of the questions I have asked and then show me where you have answered them.
As to the two questions you have just put to me again, I have already answered the first one and you’re too thick to see it. And as for the second one, it is so obvious what I meant, you are just too thick to see that too. Just forget the second one anyway, as it was secondary and only came on the back of your sideshow. I’d rather you answered the substantive questions.
Just so you know, I’m keeping a hard copy of all of this for the record.
Les Kellet’s Mini Me – I’m off to bed. I’ve wasted enough time on you. You want to lay off the red wine, fella. Your brain is addled.
you’re all most obviously talking shit
rubadubdub treemeninna tobyal!
fuck off
Hooo!
And, by the by, how come I haven’t heard anything about the medal tally at the paralympics?
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@Bumbling Boris
You’ve done it again. You never learn.
You asked the first question about the missing £25m which I answered in full. You’ve responded to that which was so lame that I think we should go back to it as it was our original argument. I’m not satisfied with how you have wriggled.
I asked the next question about you being satisfied with premier league survival as long as we do our best. You again gave a half witted reply and expect to get away with it. I want that cleared up as well.
Thirdly, I want you to explain what you meant about Cisse being bought in January. You may have a valid point but unless you explain I haven’t a clue where you are coming from. I’ve asked grandma Baba and she is at a loss too.
I’m off to play footy now but I expect clarification on the above by the time I get back.
No flannel Boris mind. I see right thru you.
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@Newkie
Before I go to footy. If Cisse isn’t a marquee player at £10m what is he?
brisvegas@100, Yes ,Paralympic medals .Aussies in 2nd place and doing well, GB 3rd .
Been loving the coverage some brilliant athletes on display . My lad has his team GB flags on his wheelchair 
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Troy ,what position do you play?
Without getting dragged too much into your arguments troy , Cisse did not cost £10 million so he is not a £10 million marquee signing.
begas have you a point your making or are you trying to be a smart ass
If you read what I wrote I never said people never said it I said I can’t remember, theres a big difference.
Van der Wiel heading to PSG. Debuchy sitting tight to enjoy Champs League and the mega bonus he’s been promised. Douglas not willing to move and jeapordise his fledgling international career with Holland, which will of course increase his value in the transfer market by 25%. Luk de Jong was NEVER interested in coming to the toon.
Man were we barking up the wrong tree in the close season…
Pieters will come though, cos he’ll cost us nowt. However at the same time we’ll lose the excellent Danny Simpson for nothing so nowt gained at the end of the day.. … oh apart from a growing injury list…
fb dave
Da ve are you gonna ware your keegan 1 shirt today ,bet you have never wore it
KK i’ll check shortly im on my phone
KK it’s actually quite a lucky shirt for me and the Toon
MM I think we knew what trees to bark at, as I said before it didn’t do the club any harm being linked with them and other players like Carroll etc because it kept some fans happy
I’ll be wearing my 1982 NUFC top today. The one Keegan wore on his debut. Well not the actual shirt lol but a replica of it anyways.
Mind that’s if I can get a stream. My internet has been shit for days and isn;t going fast enough to support a stream :/
Toonsy I don’t think KK’s sgirt would fit you anyway
Who’s your ip provider as I know mine was slow before and I phoned virgin and they upped the signal from their end, and haven’t really had any probs from then.
Marquee-Being an athlete of exceptional skill and popularity:
In football terms it generally refers to a big money move for said popular/exceptionally skilled player. Papiss Cisse was not popular in the UK, very few of our fans mentioned him, fewer still had watched him play regularly in the bundesliga. Hardly any pundits in the UK or managers or scouts seemed to know of him, and I think everyone in the world has been surprised by his skill at finishing, he’s scored better goals here than anywhere in his life.
And again, 9mil really isn’t that much for a striker. I don’t really class him as Marquee. Then again if you do and you claim we don’t go in for marquee players, can you explain why we tried to get Nzogbia?
MUNICH MAG i doubt we will sign Pieters he broke the same foot twice last season and he himself said last week his return will be after the Dutch winter break. Even if he regains fitness in time to sign him in January , you would have to question wether his foot will be strong enough to last a long run of games after 2 breaks .
Newkie, everybody in Germany new about Cisse. FC Bayern were seriously linked with him the season before last. I posted on here at the time we signed Cisse that I was ecstatic that we had managed to sign him, and for such a reasonable fee.
That the majority of the UK sporting press don’t know what is happening outside of “the best league in the world”…. is so typical it’s laughable.
I read one national hack in the UK claiming that the main reason Man Utd signed Kagawa from Dortmund was to enhance shirt sales in Asia. Embarrassing really…
Munich-That’s what I was referring to, I knew you knew him and a couple of others but most people in the UK didn’t and neither did the majority of Newcastle fans as we’re the victims of sky’s ignorance usually. To me marquee has to be popular with the fans, imo we were excited because we’d actually spent and strikers are always exciting, not because of his big name.
Newkie, I think the term “marquee” brings with it a hint of pompousity anyway. Not sure if it’s a SKY word …
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@Bumbling Boris
You state above;
“Why would I know about some argument you were having months previously, but more importantly, why did you jump to the conclusion that what I was saying was a continuation of it? That now appears to be the thrust of your criticism because you’ve got nowt else. Pathetic!”
That was all written down and cannot be disputed. The remarkable thing that stunned me, was when the subject was brought up in the pub and it was as if we were starting back and on hearing the same views again, it was as if you hadn’t heard them before.
Talk about being dumbfounded, I held my head in my hands and seriously thought this kid is bonkers. Those were my genuine thoughts.
You question why this was the main thrust of my criticism? It’s my main thrust because it’s vitally important and demonstrates how you don’t get simple issues.
Next you say above;
Furthermore, how do you explain the contradictions in your posts?
You obviously did think that the money was still there; and you even pointed to the rumoured signings as evidence of it. Naive in itself, but how silly to add up all the estimated fees of transfer targets to come to your total spend of £25M or so. What a hypocrite to call me one of the “suckers” that always “falls for the spin”, when you have clearly shown yourself to be exactly that on this issue. Even if you did believe it at the time, why did you think it was good evidence in support of your argument to point to the total potential fees to be paid for Anita, Debuchy, Douglas, and Carroll? Any body else would just suspect this lot could well be simply looking to buy any one of them but not all.
The money SHOULD be available as I pointed out with the sales of Enrique, Nolan, et al.
The club were making bids for players, totalling IRO £25m. Just like they astounded me when they bought Cisse and listening to Pardews quotes, I genuinely believed they were trying. The trouble is, they value a player and won’t be budged on the price and therefore if the selling club don’t accept then the deals fall through.
Now whether they have pulled the wool over my eyes, quite possible, or they really were prepared to spend that money, at this moment in time I’m not sure. What I do know though is, the money should be there and I won’t accept any excuses in the future, on the lines that the Anita deal used up most of the pot cos of hidden costs.
Of course it’s Ashley’s money and he can say what he wants and tell us the pot is empty. I just won’t accept the same excuses which you have.
I have been thru the threads since you reignited the debate and I cannot find any other questions that you are referring to so I can’t produce them as you request.
So as i can see all questions have been answered. In that there is no doubt.
I am still waiting for you to check back thru the posts and realise that two threads ago you disappeared into the night like blind moth.
So Please answer why you would be happy why you would be satisfied if everyone tried their best and we achieved premier league survival bearing in mind we finished 5th this season. ?
The only response in relation to that question was for you to suggest that you are happy with the squad and all you want from them is to do their best. You ask me what is wrong with that?
Try again and answer it correctly but include why you would be satisfied with premier survival, (which means we could finish 4th bottom) as long as the squad did their best. Bear in mind, we finished 5th in the league and had a great opportunity to strengthen and push on.
Secondly, in this blog you stated;
Wasn’t that deal done in a January window, Troyer?
Can you explain what you meant?
You suggest I go on as if it’s my blog.
Get used to it .
Axel@115 do you reckon that because of his previous injury record Pieters may disappear completely off our radar ?
We have a history of gambling on paggered players, especially when we can get them for nowt, and Pieters will be a freeby at the end of the season I believe..
NEWKIE you make some good points about Marquee signings for me a marquee signing is anyone that comes into the club no matter what price is paid and makes a difference . I think both Anita and Bigi will do that .
Wehey…laugh I almost got the beers in …..
http://www.sportinglife.com/football/news/article/2/8043996/sunderland-want-michael-owen
Just been flicking through German text and I can tell you man it is BRILLIANT to see the toons name in the Europa League postings. It does the club no harm being marketed in the lesser european league. By the way ALL of the German sides taking part in the Europa League show it full respect and play there strongest line-ups. It’s just our lot who seem to want to diss the tournament due to the fact that our national league pays more than the euro league..
Bordeaux will be a real tough nut to crack. If we send our bairns there they’ll come home with nowt. I only hope we have a top 2 place secured by the time we head down that way..
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@Newkie
When referring to Cisse being a marquee signing I believed him to be a top player who cost money which Lamearse had indicated was out of price range. Take out Owen, Robert, Shearer, Oba and Colo (of course there’ll be a few more) in our history, he’s up there in OUR bracket as a marquee signing.
MM I agree with you and I rate the Europa a lot higher than some, I just can’t see many bad things about it and the positives far out weigh the bad, imo most top players want to be showing there stuff in Europe and if it can’t be in the CL will then the next best thing is the EL.
But I think we’ll now have to play a stronger squad if we want to remain in it.
Because I don’t think the team carrying more than 2 or so younguns at once will make it.
Big D I agree I think it’s naive and disrepective of the tournament in general. I also think it’s disappointing for the fans, cos there are probably blokes who would love to go the europa league games (me included) but aren’t going to spend there hard earned euros travelling somewhere on a wet and windy Thursday to see a sub-standard toon 11 trying to wangle there way through europes second best tournament.
Actually I thought we were lucky to see off a “rusty second string” Greek side in the last round. The gamble of leaving out our big-hitters almost backfired on us. Remember the first game we were garbage, Raylor got us back into the game with an against the run of the play free-kick..
Troy…looks like your lad is giving you the rubber ear mate… … or maybe you need to let him in from your garden…
Troy-Pretty sure the board will pay what they think a player is worth (which is very annoying at times) and mentions of the marquee signings of old refer to those you mentioned, or the bad ones with Owen usually being the poster boy.
TROY at what point do you consider a signing as marquee ?if its say over 10 million then we have made a lot down the years and a fair few of them were shite Boumsong for example cost 10 m . I think a marquee signing should just be any player that comes in and produces the goods on the park and pushes us up the table . Cisse and BA are 2 examples of my theory one cost 10 mil one was a free transfer, both hit the ground running both helped us reach 5th in the premiership is then Cisse a marquee signing and Ba not?
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@MM
I’ve no doubt Bumbling Boris will return with a pile of dollop. He normally does.
@BD
I agree . The UEFA is very important. Players want to play there. Ok it’s not the top competition but its still competitive with some top euro sides in. We have to take it seriously and progress as far as possible.
Get in the Arse 1-0 up against the bin dippers
Yeah, Europa league is still a great competition. There’s no point fighting in the league for a place in it if we’re not going to try and win it. Rotation is to be expected, but that doesn’t mean we can’t show it respect and ambition in trying to win it.
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@Newkie
Cisse for me was a marquee signing for our club which I have outlined.
Ba came on a free and a huge question mark over his injury. At the time, he wasn’t a marquee signing though he has certainly proved he’s a top player alongside Cisse.
Where do you draw the line? Everyone has different opinions on this issue and know one is right or wrong IMO
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Sorry the last was meant for axel. I don’t believe we have had many players in our history over £9m. 6 or 7 maybe?
Troy-Fair enough, differing opinions.
What has happened to Jose Enrique? He’s shit these days
No pace, no strength…
wonder if Arsenal hold on and win what the reaction of the liverpool supporters will be . Rodgers out by xmas . Have read that Spurs fans were already turning on their manager yesterday .
Axel – It’s ok, here comes Stewart Downing
Toonsy-was just thinking the same. And he seems to have been taking tackling lessons from carragher.
TOONSY what did you expect , he was allowed to leave and ended up at a mid table team .
Well Liverfool have a 17 year old playing ,how long before we have our 17 year old striker starting a game .
Axel-Yeah Spurs fans were booing their team at the lane apparently. Want Spurs and Liverpool to limp along, we don’t want these clowns getting fired too early, esp Rodgers. Need to let them continue the rot for a while
As for Arsenal, we need them to keep drawing as well, so come on Suarez 
We need to maximize points now as I think spurs will struggle for awhile but come good later. It would be nice to get ahead of them a bit in the table
Not sold on pool at all. Its become the place where good players go to become shit
Lolerpool
Liverpools equal worst start too a premiership season Evans was manager the last time . Rodgers out end of september
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