Estadio dos Barreiros – Home of S.C. Maritimo
The group stages of the competition kick off in earnest and Newcastle have found themselves drawn together with S.C. Maritimo of Purtugal, FC Girondins de Bordeaux of France and Club Brugge of Belgium. Together the four of us make up Group D with the top two progressing forward to the round of 32.
It’s in the small island of Madeira, off the South-West coast of Portugal that our European campaign really begins. The island capital of Funchal, home of our opponents S.C. Maritimo, is actually closer to Casablanca in Morocco than it is to Lisbon in Portugal, but I’ll spare you any more geography lessons!
Team news: Newcastle
Hatem Ben Arfa serves the third and final game of a suspension earned during his days with Marseille. Cheik Tiote, Ryan Taylor, Tim Krul and Danny Simpson are all out and Fabricio Coloccini is highly unlikely to feature. Papiss Cisse misses out through illness whilst Demba Ba has been left out of the squad entirely.
Team news: S.C. Maritimo
Maritimo have just one absentee going into the match. Midfielder Rodrigo Antonio was sent off in the second leg of their play-off clash with FC Dila of Georgia and will miss the game through suspension. Apart from that they have a clean bill of health.
Team selection
Once more we are likely to see a change from the side that played at Everton on Monday night, and with a Premier League game against Norwich City to consider on Sunday afternoon I’d tend to agree with that. However it’s all about striking the balance between trying to do well in the Europa League and trying not to impact on our domestic season.
Alan Pardew has already admitted that he will change the team around, but what changes can he really make? And how far do you go with said changes?
In terms of defence there isn’t a lot we can do. Perhaps we could bring in James Tavernier and Shane Ferguson at right and left back respectively, but then you are relying on Mike Williamson and Steven Taylor playing three games in six days. Perhaps Tavernier could slot into central defence in place of either Taylor or Williamson instead?
In midfield I’m actually not too worried. We have the resources in that part of the pitch to completely change things around with players like Gael Bigirimana, James Perch, Sammy Ameobi, Dan Gosling, Romain Amalfitano, Gabriel Obertan and Sylvain Marveaux all able to fill in.
Up front we are struggling again. Shola Ameobi and Adam Campbell are the only two fit recognised strikers we have taken to Portugal. Mind you Campbell scored again for the ressies yesterday!
Did you know?
This is the fourth side from Portugal we have faced in European competition. The other three are Sporting Lisbon, Vitoria Setubul and FC Porto.
This is United’s 17th season of European football.
We have played Maritimo before, way back in 1982 in a friendly match that we won 1-0 courtesy of a Chris Waddle goal.
Shola Ameobi is our second highest European goalscorer ever with 12 goals, including that goal in the Nou Camp all those years ago. Mind you, he is some way behind Alan Shearer who has 30 European strikes for United to his name.
Final thoughts
I want to see us do well more than anything else, and whatever team that plays should go there in the belief that they can win. Realistically a point away from home isn’t a bad result if we make sure we win our home fixtures so I’ll be happy with that.
Maritimo struggle with scoring goals and have done since they sold their start striker to Sevilla over the summer so there is always a chance that we could get something if we can keep things tight at the back.
Now is the time for some of the young lads and fringe players to shine. They will be given a chance and it’s up to them to take it with both hands.
Howay the lads!
Date: Thursday, 20th September, 2012
Time: 6pm (UK time) – Live on ESPN
Venue: Estádio dos Barreiros, Funchal, Portugal
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1st
I posted a starting line up on the earlier post and I’ll stick with it. I want to see Tav RB and Fergie LB and Vukic and Campbell up front.
I have no idea how the result will go, simply because I don’t know enough about our opposition. But I do think it’s important for these players to get game time for the rest of our season – and it’s time to see if they are good enough.
If it’s true they are having trouble scoring then if we can keep it tight at the back then we could get something out the game .
Be nice to see Fergie and Tav get game time looking forward to young campbell getting on aswell.
Very pissed off , I have ESPN but they are not showing the game in the Republic of Ireland for some reason. Arseholes.
does any one no if its on tv and which station please
Chris – did you get bored of the article mate?
Clearly you haven’t read it right to the very end have you?!
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I’m reliably informed Bumbling Boris has worked out an answer and it’s going to destroy me.
I’ve got a an excited feeling. I’ve been waiting all day. Let’s see this.
Wooo hoooo! Stormin Stavers has been texting me all day, urging me to get on the blog. He sees his latest blog persona caught in the vortex and disappearing rapidly down the plug hole. I panned him this morning as I’ve been panning him the last few days, and he still hasn’t answered any of my brick bats.
To be fair he’s a good sport. Just takes them on the chin without hitting back. I’m bent double every time with, “We might now be Premier champions if it wasn’t for his [Mikey’s] greed by him wanting all his losses and more back.” Followed by, “I’m not praising FFS, but many say we would have gone out of business if he had stayed. How does anyone know that?”
Troy Tempest is going to explode with that one if I keep quoting it though. The temperature’s rising and the powder he was keeping dry for Dekka is now primed for me. He’s just letting me slap him around, failing to put his guard up and hanging on in the corner, hoping desperately to regain his composure. He can’t keep this up much longer surely?
Troyer, Bumbling Boris is delighted you’ve finally come forward with his blog comment about Curtis Good because he couldn’t be arsed to trawl for it. You’ve been storing it like a professional blog assassin stores posts, but now you think Bumbling Boris has dropped another rick, you couldn’t resist bringing it out. The trouble is, by doing so, you’ve exposed yourself as misrepresenting it. Poor form, fella!
So, when you’re ready to re-print it, and then print next to it your representation of what I had said, I’m happy to start talking. In the meantime, I’ll keep slapping you about the face, fella.
Wooooo hooooooo! Let’s have another song while I slap you some more.
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Zoiks! Is that it?
Where’s your answer?
Gan canny on the key pad Stormin! Divn’t ignite the pile of dry powder you were keeping stored for the 31 August! It might not be just Stargate you take out, but the whole of bloody Gateshead!
He’s seething! Its coming like!
Zoiks!?
Troy Tempest’s turning into Scooby Doo, he’s been on about it so much!
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Hmm. I’m seriously embarrassed. I refuse to debate anything with anyone who bottles it.
I’m neither seething nor happy. I feel kinda let down. I can’t be any more honest than that.
If you don’t answer my questions then I can no longer communicate with you.
I won’t debate anything with Aussie or a few others who have hissy fitted.
Only those with backbones.
Yessssssss! Got him like a kipper! I’ve had the whole family around the table waiting for ages. I’ve hit the refresh button 60 times in expectation. The tension in here has been palpable. Priceless! Wooooo Hoooo.
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I feel numb. Your my brother. I thought you would have a back bone.
You need to answer or you are a shame on the family.
As Toonsy says we have very little depth up front or across the back four. I don’t mind seeing Ferguson at LB but Tavernier looked extremely shaky earlier on in Europa. Gosling played in the reserves but maybe we could start him at RB and see how it goes. Lots to choose from in the midfield. I would try Campbell with Shola in behind. Who else do we have? Shocking we didn’t replace Best or Peter. Should be a chance for Amalfitano in the midfield as well. Very interested to see what Pardew’s starting lineup will be.
That vortex is surely too much now?
You want to avoid the substantive points about the Carroll cash (still waiting for that response you promised before you disappeared for days), the due diligence, keeping your powder dry for 31 August, whether you had heard of our signings before we’d signed them etc.
Print my original statement about Good if you want to, and then print your misrepresentation. I’m happy to respond in full even though it is you just clutching at any straw to avoid the issues! Of course, you could always give us a song instead!
Did I mention I’m bent double every time with, “We might now be Premier champions if it wasn’t for his [Mikey’s] greed by him wanting all his losses and more back.” Followed by, “I’m not praising FFS, but many say we would have gone out of business if he had stayed. How does anyone know that?” ?
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All been done on numerous occasions over the last two days.
If you aren’t prepared to answer then I refuse to deal with a weak character.
That’s what I always do. You seriously have embarrassed the family.
I feel numb that you have bottled it.
What filing system do blog assassins use, Troyer? I’ve got to start keeping these priceless quotes for posterity!
“If you don’t answer my questions then I can no longer communicate with you. I won’t debate anything with Aussie or a few others who have hissy fitted. ” Woooo hooooo!
Gareth, get him his guitar!
Gareth, hang fire! He might smash it!
RE-PRINT, Troyer. Bumbling Boris is waiting on teh zip wire. Can’t hang around too long.
Answer my “Only Troyer could ..” post of this morning. Go on. Dare you. Or are you just too numb, fella?
Kim @ 3 we haven’t exactly been knocking them in ourselves
Troy @ 18 has he still not answered you
“That’s what I always do.”
wooo hoooo.
He’s fizzin! Sorry, no. He’s “neither seething nor happy”. He’s “just feeeling “kinda let down”.
Big Dave @ 22. No, that’s you on your favourite subject, due diligence. (sorry my smiley pick list has disappeared)
B+B
what 
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Yes Dave, Troyer will explain that one to you.
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@BD
No he hasn’t answered and it’s sad when it’s your brother. Embarrassing.
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Anyway, now I’ve disowned Bumbling Boris for having no back bone I might as well crack open a nice can of Stella and wait for some one with morals and credibility to debate with.
ESPN AT 5.30 PM
B+B he would need to explain as I can’t understand what you said
Troy don’t be too hard on him
every family has a runt 
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BD – Bumbling Boris offered to reply. No problem with that. He just laid out one simple condition. Was it too much to ask? Look above @8. There for the world to see!
Wait until Aussie sees this mother of all hissy fits!
One simple condition I asked of him, Aussie. That’s all!
Don’t give him that guitar until he’s calmed down, Gareth.
Dave @22 > I have faith in young Campbell to get us a goal
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Bumbling Boris suggests a song – no guitar needed.
Woops Troyer’s popped up in the middle of me smilies.
There’s only one Bobby Shinton, one Bobby Shinton, there’s only one Bobby Shinton …
Reet may get back do a bit, Troy if your about later maybe you could explain what B+B is on about cause after he took that massive hissy fit with me lastnight I can’t work out what he’s on about
Kim I would love to see young Campbell get one
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Don’t worry Troyer, your corner man’s still sticking up for you, fella. See 30 above
Okay, you win, I’ll take me foot off your heed if you speak to me Troyer! I’ll even take the disclaimer down. Sorry, I was wrong to wind you up so far fella!
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Dave – Don’t mess with Bumbling Boris.
He can lose the plot like you did (with Strumpet, was it)? 
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I’m doing my best on the texts to get Troyer back, but he’s giving me the silent treatment. Sorry, bloggers!
I know he loves it on here so we’ll have to look out for an anagram of “Troy Stavers” in the coming weeks.
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I’m sure Troyer won’t mind me using his disclaimer while he’s away. That’s what brother’s are for. Besides, he says Bumbling Boris copies all his best craic.
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@BD
It’s like the problems you had with Trumpet. They refuse to answer your questions so you might as well not engage with them.
@Kim
Have you seen much of Campbell? Weve had good prospects who flitter with the first team but never make it. Joe Allon, though he went on to play for a poor Chelsea side and more recently Chopra. Even Ranger when it comes to more recent. Do you see more in Campbell than those mentioned?
Time to find out if our youth policy is actually worthwhile!
Whey, welcome back Troy. I’ve taken down the disclaimer as promised, fella.
I still promise to answer your posts (even though they are a diversionary tactic) if you comply with my one simple condition @ 8 above.
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@Newkie
Would you play an under strength side away from home? It’s a risky policy.
I want us to progress to the latter stages and hopefully get another trip to Milan.
The best weekend away I’ve had!
If the youth get us thru to the latter stages, I wonder if Pards sticks with them or drops them.
Troy-well if understrength is anything other than our first 11, then it has to be understrength doesn’t it? The key as always is finding the right balance, but I do want to see time for Tav, Amal, Bigi, Fergie, Vuckic and sub roles for Sammeobi and Campbell.
Troy > In truth I have only seen Campbell the once on TV when he did impress the little time he was on and some you tube footage .I know there have been glowing reports on him on here from people who watch him a lot so really just hopeing he fullfills his potential
. It’s his golden chance to show what he can do in these European games ,just hope Pards gives him ample opportunity really.
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@Newkie
I personally would like to see us put our strongest team available out and if we look comfortable then bring a few youngsters on for experience.
I prefer the European games to playing the domestic cups.
Troy > Ranger didn’t make it cause he’s a prize twat
no doubting the lads got talent if only he had applied it wisely 
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@Kim
Has he been scoring in the reserves. Hope he makes it as there’s nothing better than local lads playing for the Toon.
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@Kim
Aye. Ranger I a complete twat! A total waster. Though he has something and would be a lot better had he stuck in, I’m not so sure he was a goal scorer.
Troy-Yeah, I kind of agree with you on both accounts but as this is the first game of the group I wouldn’t mind seeing a fair few of the youths out there. Strongest team out there for all the home games and then subbies for the youngsters.
Right now theres less/no pressure on the youngsters (best for blooding them in) and we can’t afford any more major first team injuries. When first teamers start coming back to full health we can get a better blend of youth and experience.
I find I have to agree with Pardew making the league the number one priority. After all, that is what will decide how long he remains our manager/coach thing.
But like Troy, I would have made Europe our number one cup comp, ahead of both domestic cups.
Its a shame we cant play our strongest team tomorrow, but likewise its a golden oportunity for the young pretenders to show what they have in their lockers. This will be there one real chance to shine and make a name for themselves. They need to really grasp the bull by the horns and give a good account of themselves.
I would be amazed if Shola plays 90 mins, so young Campbell will almost certainly get his moment in the spotlight. I hope he does well, as it would be great for another local lad to come through.
Howay the Lads.
0-1 will do nicely to get the ball rolling.
Also Troy “and wait for some one with morals and credibility to debate with. ”
I assume that means me, cheers buddy!
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@Newkie
Aye. I’ve got no time for people who can’t admit they are wrong and won’t answer questions.
I’ve never had that problem with you or many others. It’s the limited few. Get them in every group.
@Bootsy
I know nothing of the opposition so im trusting Pards to know what team is required.
I was just a bit alarmed on a few occasions during the qualifier as they were not meant to be good but they scored a cracking goal and caused a few problems.
May I take this opportunity to be the first to say how refreshing it is not to have to scroll through the brotherly bickering. I said afew days ago I found it funny but I have to admit it was getting a bit tedious. It’s an open forum for anyone to use but it was starting to take over a little bit.
Anyway, I would really like to see Vukic and Campbell up front and use Shola later in the game. I’d also like to see Abied play, I’d really hope he’d have a bit of fire in his belly and prove we shouldn’t send him out on loan.
2-1 the toon for me like.
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@Sharpy
I thoroughly enjoyed it but The Bumbler refused to answer or explain himself.
Shame, I don’t like calling my brother but I’m embarrassed for him.
C’est la vie .
well we dont have much choice other than to trust Pardew. But sometimes he does leave me scratching my head in amazement, with his team selections.
Clearly he knows more than me, but imo he over complicates things by constantly playing Lads out of their natural position.
Gonna be really interesting to see what line up he puts out tomorrow.
We have started every match this season poorly, I hope he gets a grip of the Lads before KO and sends them out fired up for a change.
Does anyone know what the problem is with Tiote.
i am a little surprised that Good has not travelled with the team to Portugal ,having captained the ressies against the Scum yesterday i was thinking the coaching team must think the lad has something . I would have thought taking him and giving him a sniff of the first team was good for his development .
Newkie @ 50 I see what you mean but if we don’t get through then well have through away a big chance.
I’m all for younguns getting a chance but IMO the way to do it is 2 maybe at the most played with the 1st team as they can look out for them etc, but if the younguns are getting played with mostly bench players the bench players are more concerned of not fuking up themselves and have no time to help the younguns
Axel im sure if Pards thought he was ready for the 1st team he would have took him considering how stretched we are, so maybe he isn’t as good just yet as some think he is.
After all Pards did say he was a future prospect, and I don’t think he meant so close in the future
I think Pardew has probably thought the home games in the group stages will be the games to win and the away games will be an opportunity to go and collect as many points as they can. I’m sure we may well see a stronger line up in the home games.
I really home we play well tomorrow night as well. I think Pardew could do with a break and the first team players could do with a kick up the arse.
Could you imagine spending an entire day with Troy and B&B. Do people still speak like they do? Feel like I’ve slipped back into the 17th century when they are debating sometimes.
Looking forward to some European football with the Toon. I am happy to play the youngsters. See how they do.
Just on a side note.
The more I think about the Everton game, the more I think it was a brilliant result.
Tiote, Colo and Krul missing. those are probably our three best players.
Anita looking useful on the right in defence.
I can see us giving Norwich a hiding if we get some players fit.
______________________Krul_______________________
Anita__________Taylor__________Colo__________Santon
____________Jonas___________Tiote________________
Obertan_____________Cabaye_______________Ben Arfa
_____________________Ba________________________
I know Pards likes to play two up front. But I wouldn’t mind seeing these guys in this formation.
BIGDAVE your right that Pardew said he is one for the future ,but he said that about Bigi & Amalfitano when we signed them but he has took them , just thought with the injured defenders we have , he would of took Good .
JJ – you may be loathed to say it but Simmo was also missing. Like him or not, he’s a regular first teamer and the rest of the players know what to expect. Also Ba was missing in the first half. Fortunately though, lady luck was wearing black and White on Monday night.
I do like the look of that line up for Norwich tho but my IPhone has cut off the left flank. I’ve got S for LB so guess it’s Santon, and B for LM
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Axel maybe he is taking a bit longer to settle, and I think Bigi and Amalfitano played at a better level than Good
JJ @ 63 so what about Benny is he not 1 of the best player
I really don’t think Harper for Krul made that much difference, because Krul is still a bit clumsy at times and his kicking is woefull and results in the other team getting it 8 out of 10 times.
Couldn’t have really had a more exotic game to return to European competition.
I haven’t seen Good at all so I don’t know if he is any……… oh dear.
SHARPY17 @67
‘Fortunately though, lady luck was wearing black and White on Monday night.’
Meh, she wasn’t when Cisse put a great chance wide of the post, or Anita had it cleared off the line in the first half. If Everton were that great they could surely hang on to a lead for 5 minutes right? Truth is they weren’t that good on Monday compared to how they played in the first 2 games.
Axel@ 64 I was saving that point for Stormin Stavers because, to read his posts in August (when he was keeping his powder dry for midnight 31st), the only signing of any real worth that we had made for this season was Anita. Bigi, Amal, and Good were clearly not on his first team radar for this season.
quite happy with the league so far. OK we are winding up gradually, but for me the next two matches (Norwich and Reading) are must win games, and will define our season.
No if’s or buts or excuses. 6 points are essential, If we are harbouring any notions of maintaining a top 6 finish this season.
Anything less than 6 points, and I’m afraid its mid to lower league finish which is more likely. We simply have to be putting these two clubs to the sword, home and away.
fingers crossed then.
Meanwhile I think we can look forwards to our european experience without any pressure on the Lads whatsoever. What will be will be.
I’ll put my neck on the block now tho and dare to suggest we will top our group come 6th Dec.
Howay the Lads
I’m watching you, Stormin Stavers. Shame on you!
The good thing about the blog is that, however hard you try, you cannot misrepresent someone and take their quotes out of context because it’s all there in black and white.
Your post @55 to Sharpy is typical of the misrepresentations you come up with, fella. “I thoroughly enjoyed it but The Bumbler refused to answer or explain himself.”
NOT TRUE. BORIS HAS AGREED TO ANSWER AND TO EXPLAIN HIMSELF. Poor Boris has been more than happy to answer all your questions and has laid down the challenge. He has explained that he is prepared to do this, and has all the answers ready at his fingertips. He is prepared to do this even though your questions are clearly a side show and a circus distraction from the questions you can’t and won’t answer. He is prepared to do this even though he has a bank of relevant, substantive questions that you have so far failed to address.
Boris has explained that his only proviso is that you should now quote his original post, and the few preceding posts that put it in context. He says this because, as everyone knows, it is very easy to take one line and take it out context, and it is something that the likes of you, fella, do when you’re looking in desperation for a diversionary escape. If you want to bring it up, you have to post it in full.
You have only just posted the small paragraph that contained it, even though you have clearly stored it like a blog assassin for weeks. Now post the full post and the few others that led up to it. That shouldn’t be too difficult for a blog assassin.
Now let me demonstrate a typical example of how you work, Stormin. As I have said above, you say @55 to Sharpy, “I thoroughly enjoyed it but The Bumbler refused to answer or explain himself.” I will answer like a typical Troy Tempest if the boot had been on the other foot, “How have I refused to answer or explain myself? Tell me? I’ve said I would answer and explain myself. Your statement is clearly not true, Boris. You are making a right numpty of yourself here, fella. You’re digging yourself deeper and deeper. It’s embarrassing. I’m not going any further until you tell me where Troy has said he refuses to answer and explain himself. Woooo hoooo. I’m waiting Bumbler. It’s all there. I’m only asking a reasonable request of you to set out my original quote in full where I have refused to answer and explain myself. Come on Bumbler! No twisting and turning. We must deal with this point first before we can move on.”
And if Boris had said, “Hmm. I’m seriously embarrassed. I refuse to debate anything with anyone who bottles it”? The Wooooo hoooo hoooos that would have followed!
Finally, Stormer, I note you say @ 40 to Big Dave, “It’s like the problems you had with Trumpet. They refuse to answer your questions so you might as well not engage with them.”
Wasn’t it your marra, Big Dave, who stonewalled when I disagreed with him on his favourite “due diligence” point? Even though it became apparent from his non-engagement that the poor lad was uncomfortable about answering my points, wasn’t it you who called me a bottler for having the good grace to drop it and not to press him?
“Cringeworthy”, fella! Remember that word of yours when you accused me of looking to fellow bloggers for support?
Stormin, you’re now an embarrasment if you continue to use that disclaimer. What’s Aussie going to say, fella?
You’ve gotta be looking a bit sheepish. Think about it. 
Let’s see if the Tempest (a mother of all hissy fits) can respond to 75. What’s the betting that he’ll continue to bottle it, gravitating to some high and mighty ground that he has just created for himself.
There’s only one Bobby Shinton, one Bobby Shinton, there’s only one Bobby Shinton, one Bobby Shinton …!
RIP Troy. Long Live Bobby! We want Bobby! 
Get Tempest’s guitar, Gareth. Tempest give us another Boumsong. Sorry, I mean song!
feck me, but is anyone else bored with all this shit
give it a rest eh lads ffs.
Try reading this link and commenting on it.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/demba-ba-wants-huge-pay-1332759
BB – How good is your mouse at scrolling fella?
Listen up mate. I’m on a mission to rid the blog of this shite, but I can’t do it without getting my hands dirty.
cant see Ba getting what he wants this time.
He is more likely to see out the next two seasons of his contract and walk away on a free. I’m sure some other clubs will pay what he wants if they can get him for nowt. But I just cant ever see Fat mick coughing up that kind of money to keep him.
Just do what everyone else does and ignore it.
If it carries on much longer, Toonsy will just end up banning both of you.
Its dragging the blog down to Ed’s blog level.
And now; a short, wee message to Demba Ba’s Agent.. I hope you get captured by Somali pirates. For all the good and charity you do the world.
DJG-Aye considering the whining you’d have thought they were robbed entirely by officials on our pay roll. I’d still say it was a fair result. More luck than Everton but they were hardly robbed.
Make him walk the plank. I would pay to watch that. £200, every audience member gets a winchester rifle.
To be fair, he is worth more than 50k a week, but then we’ve all seen where hardballing gets players with the club. And 100k? Quite clearly out of our price range, although I suppose when Xisco leaves we could just divert the salary to Demba.
He’d be like a new signing!
Not worth it though, esp if his knees could still explode.
Also re the mail
“is available in January for £7.5million, as the release clause which caused so much uncertainty over his future opens again.”
Surely that has to be bullshit.
Ba has played hardball all his career; first he did well in his native France, went to Hoffenheim in Germany, scored over a goal every 3 games. Left them for the prem and would have signed for Stoke but failed the medical. Had to settle for Wet Spam but intelligently put in a clause to screw them over if they went down, which they did. Came to us for a reported £50,000 per week and put in a clause to leave for £7.5M so if he did well he could try and double his wages yet again. Only this time he has hit a brick wall. Only way is down from the toon lad, and you good but you no Andy Cole. Nee Offense. After looking at all this information I just wonder, is he really loyal to us or are we just another cog in his big rise to wherever.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19655578
Ba is gone in January. I think we can admit the squad has issues now.
Wow, so it is still active? Very poor negotiations allowing that in the contract tbh, once maybe but active every window now? That was always going to cause trouble.
Feck it, play him constantly until his knees explode
Troy Stavers says:
September 19, 2012 at 17:26
I won’t debate anything with Aussie or a few others who have hissy fitted.
Good old Harry the Hypocrite is back
Nice one Troyster
It was active all summer and he didn’t leave. I think his knees scare clubs off at 7.5 m
TBH I think the knee thing is a load of crap. If there was something seriously wrong with his knees he would miss games (like Ledley King and other players have) I think Pulis, Moyes and co. have dropped a bollick, and they know it. Not least by his goal scoring antics at their grounds.
MDS-Thing is people were also put off coming into the summer by his poor performances in the second half. If he continues this scoring form into Jan then clubs will be sniffing around again. Unbelievable that the clause is still there.
And if the knees weren’t a problem before we should make them a problem.
Unhappy being a sub huh….play him in all the euro matches and ressie games until he’s proper crocked!
DJG-They may say that but still
It was a pretty nasty injury which left a serious fracture in Demba’s tibia and fibula (the front and back bone of the leg), resulting in him being out for 8 months.
As if he wasn’t unlucky enough to be on the injury list – the surgeon only went and did a botch job! Yup! This resulted in Ba struggling with knee pain due to muscle damaged on the operating table. it is believed the problem stems from a nail inserted in his tibia that touched a sensitive part of the knee when it was removed.
Pretty sure it’s a genuine concern.
Don’t panic, Ba isn’t going anywhere… I can feel the the panic & paranoia building….. stay clam people, stay calm
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@Bumbler
Until you man up and answer the questions I have posed over the past few days instead of hiding behind bluster then I refuse to engage.
Anyone, not that they’re interested can go back to 14th August and see all your quotes on your views on Good.
You then make additional quotes two days ago to justify it. Everything is on the blog. Not a thing to hide.
If you want to keep hiding and being a coward then c’est la vie. I only deal with people who have back bones. G’Day Aussie. Though I will pass pleasantries with you, I refuse to engage in a debate with you. Hence the disclaimer.
As for your comments about Dave, you going to print what I’ve said about Dave?
As I have respect for Dave I will be emailing him with all the texts you refer to.
This is not the forum.
As I infer in the text you are referring to, which will be sent to Dave is self explanatory. The fact you have brought this up will demonstrate what a scurrilous character you are.
Man up. Answer the questions. You are a real jessie.
I’m here to discuss football with others.
Troy – (THIS IS A GOVERNMENT HEALTH WARNING. THIS POSTER IS LIABLE TO TAKE HISSY FITS ) ,
I am pleased that you do not want to debate with me mate
You are an amusing fella at times but you only have to read the bs you bang out with your brother to see it is a pointless endeavor…. 
I’ll 2nd that.
Time to change the record Troy. You’re in danger of becoming boring………
……. Too late.
Perhaps you have a thought about Ba’s release clause becoming active again in the next transfer window. @ £7.5M.
His damned agent has done us up like a kipper, good and propper.
Cant believe Llambs arse let them get away with that like.
I’ll be gutted if he goes, but on the other hand, we dont (k)need this on going drama at the club. Take the money and find someone else.
DJG – granted Cisse had a good chance (which he really should have finished) and Anita had a shot cleared off the line, but please don’t convince yourself that we didn’t get out of jail on Monday. The first half was the worst I’ve seen us play in a long long time!, Everton were all over us and had a goal ruled offside (which wasn’t) and a goal where the ball clearly crossed the line. We done really well to come back twice but against a better side, and with competent officials we should have been well beat by half time.
As for the Ba situation, I really can’t believe we’ve allowed this clause to run over 2 windows (at least 2 anyway, it may be all for all we know), it’s madness. I think if Pardew wants to keep Ba we have to sort him a new contract to stop this stupid situation. Every time Ba has a poor game or is subbed or anything like that – the papers will be writing the same shite.
I would be sure that if the club allow Ba to leave, having been so inactive with incoming signings, then other players will defo look for the exit door.
Can’t believe we are going to allow off field stuff like player contracts to overshadow football matters again.
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@Bootsy
I’m totally with you on this one fella.
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If Ba keeps scoring like he did in the first half of last season then he is gonna be worth a fortune in January. But if he’s scoring and getting first team footy then he may want to stay. However the agent sounds like he has too much to say for himself.
Either his agent is a very clever fella, or else our legal team are completely hopeless.
No way we should have agreed to these clauses.
Beggars belief
Well Joey B had a big mouth agent but the only time I can remember him coming out to speak against the club was when there was shit going on between the club and himself.
So I suggest the samething id happening now with Ba and his agent, as I said the other day if Ba is happy and loved the club as some have said he would just tell his agent to wind his neck in and stop causing trouble. But to me it’s obvious that there is something wrong, and that there is some trouble behind the scenes, which in that case Steve Wraith was right ??.
We don’t know for sure what is going on behind closed doors but to me the players haven’t really played as if they were happy to be back to playing footie again after the closed season. Thinking of it now I can remember talk of the club wanting to get Ba to sign a new contract after his clause had passed, so has the club maybe said that to him to convince him to stay along with promising to play him in the middle, but they have failed to do what they said ??
People keep going on about clubs being put off by Bas knee. Yes he’d have a medical with another club but they will also have seen him playing and scoring regularly for us. If you don’t think a club like Lpool would folk out £7.5m on Ba with there ‘striker crisis’ then you’re mad.
If Ba is playing well come Jan then make no mistake, there will be a host of clubs sniffing around. I fail to see how we will get a replacement for £7.5m like.
Lambastard needs a good hiding for this. He’s a clown!, can’t agree fees and when he does, he then allows stupid clause to be written into contracts!, still, he saves cashley money so big mike won’t mind.
BB well the legal team that he had for the KK fiasco were hopeless.
Sharpy I think the thing with his knee’s isn’t that he should be missing games etc, but week on week they could be getting worse untill they start to go then they won’t get better. But I agree that £7-8 mil for liverpool or someone isn’t big money and if they got goals out of him to get them back to were they want to be then it’s money well spent.
Aussie you say to not panic etc ? You said not to panic about the Everton game that you were sure we would get the 3 pts
Big D – I may have missed something, but I dont understand why you keep banging on about S Wraith being right???
He may see more than most of us, but I’m certain he is no more ITK than the rest of us, when it comes to player contracts etc.
It was fairly obvious throughout the summer and into the start of the season that something has been wrong behind the scenes.
Isn’t it always the case at this club
One drama follows another.
BB last week he twitted that there was some player unrest at the club, so we were talking about it on here and a few were basically saying that he was talking shit, making it all up and just causing trouble because of his deslike of the regime.
You say it was obvious that there was something wrong behind the scenes all summer ? Well I would tend to agree with that.
I think we should always go into a game expecting to get the win and 3 points.
The lads clearly came out on Monday night with the belief that the best we could get was a draw. How has that happened???? Everton are no better a club than NUFC, yet we were beaten before KO.
The kick up the arse at halftime was needed and boom, we were far better in the 2nd half.
For some reason I am expecting better things from the kids tonight.
PMA.
Firstly, pardew has refuted any claims of a fall out with ba. Obviously he might say it regardless. but if you don’t believe it from the horses mouth then there’s nothing he could say to convince you.
Secondly why are comments from ba’s agent proof that there is club unrest? maybe he’s just trying to get ba a move? don’t see why one player allegedly not happy here means the club is falling apart!
Really looking forward to seeing young Adam Campbell use his pace with the likes of Shola nudging the ball onto him.
I know some fans want a more experienced team to to play tonight but you have to remember even Sir Bobby didn’t play Shearer in some UEFA games as to give a chance to the youngsters aka Shola.
Bigger picture people!!!
Re Wraith
is there ever a time when he hasn’t claimed there is club unrest
ST who said the club was falling apart ? Are you making things up again ?? Because to me some player unrest is nowt like the club falling apart, but you know that already
Then you ask is there ever a time when SW isn’t saying there is club unrest ? I haven’t heard him say owt bad about the club for most of last season, but sure don’t let that get in the way.
Its not just been about Ba.
having been linked with a move away all summer, he is now crocked. And nobody knows what with.
Cabaye has had a face like a smacked arse since the season began too.
Simpson still hasn’t signed a new contract.
And wtf is going on with Tiote
Now even Krul is linked with a move to Barca.
It all smacks of unrest in the troops.
ST – Pardew said he and Ba were fine but Pards doesn’t negotiate the contracts. You’re right, it came from the horses mouth. But so did Ba saying there were things going on that he wasn’t happy with – also from the horses mouth.
Ba may be happy football wise but there is clearly something going on mate.
@bd
I’ll leave the making things up to sw. are you joking? this time last year he was still claiming.player anger at the club! even if there are issues, broken clock and all that.
Don’t skew what i am saying again Dave. why does one slim proof that ba doesn’t want to be here mean that there is much player unrest?
And why can’t we take pardew’s assertion that his relationship with ba is good and.leave it at that?
Big Dave, I was only one goal and 2 points off being 100% right, but a negger like you see’s it as 100% wrong
@sharpy
he said he hadn’t been happy with how things had been going. i think ba is a good guy i don’t think he’d disrespect pardew. i think he was alluding to our poor performances and not being picked for Senegal. pardew slammed ba’s agent for his comments but hasn’t complained about ba’s comments at all.
@bb no way man!
Cabaye – (no offence) he’s French, these mood swings are expected. He looked happy vs everton. He’d been playing shit – i would be annoyed if he sauntered around vs villa with a smile on his face
Simpson – agree the contract issue is worrying. but nothing on his twitter suggests anything other than happiness here.
Tiote – he’s injured! injury doesn’t equal unhappy and i don’t see how you’ve made.that leap!
Krul – not taking that point seriously mate
Who to believe? An actual player who actually plays for the club and works with the team on a daily basis, or a sad old git who has absolutely feck all to do with anything other than promoting his own ego and some shitty bar. Hmmm… its a toughy like!
Steve Harper: “The spirit in the camp is fantastic.”
Steve Wraith: “Blah, blah, blah… unrest… blah, blah… Ashley is fat cockney cnut… blah, blah… come to my shithouse pub!”
TC
Exactly!
Response to your post predictions? “obviously harper wouldn’t say of there was unrest you dreamer”
off now. Positive people, we’re in Europe!
Misery loves company… bad news is always more easy to swallow because, heh why should good things happen to Newcastle FC.
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As far as I can see Steve Wraith says it how he sees it and has far more connections than any of us.
If the truth is not good news then so be it.
He’s been big enough to acknowledge publicly that he called it wrong over how successful we were last season.
If you actually follow him, he does praise the Toon. However bad news usually makes headlines and that’s how you only see the negative news he prints.
If you want a balanced view then follow him on twitter.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&sugexp=les%3B&tok=478pUUZbJacyocIRY-NF6A&cp=9&gs_id=y&xhr=t&q=steve+wraith&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&biw=1366&bih=643&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=LPhaUKagDIqU0QWdjYDgAw
Thats a bit unfortunate like.
The release clause, His agents fees and £100k a week wage demands is a bit more that the £7m the papers love pushing when its all totted up.
Bear in mind we paid £6m+ to sign him as a free agent from a relegated club, What would his agent(s) be demanding now when his reputation is at an all time high.
Not a prayer he will be off in january noone will pay that for an uninsurable player…
I’ve no doubt Ba may be a little upset at the minute but tough sh*t. It looks like we have been trying to renegotiate his contract since July and talks have stalled over his excessive wage demands (£90k a week according to one report). It is entirely possible that his agent’s quotes are designed to put pressure on the club over his contract negotiations.
My money is on Dekka not caving into that kind of pressure
Pardew’s comments about his release clause still being active make absolutely no difference – does any-one seriously think his agents won’t be already touting this around possible interested clubs between now and January just like they did over the summer? – not a chance.
Ba would also obviously be unhappy about being dropped by Senegal and benched for the Everton game so I can understand his comments. He would be better keeping this in house rather than being petulant on national TV though.
It’s interesting no clubs came in for him in the summer and therefore not a forgone conclusion that someone will come in and offer him a massive pay rise and guaranteed first team football. If he goes to a CL club he will probably spend more time on the bench than he does at the Toon.
Sharpy17 @ 116. This is also from the horses mouth:
Demba Ba [!]8207;@dembabafoot
@johnormond007 i am happy where i am my friend. How can’t i be happy? I play for nufc
Demba Ba @dembabafoot
Good night people. So proud for that 1,000th goal. I’m not a legend like people say, but nufc is a legendary club!!!
Dekka takes nee shit man, I remember reading how he stamped out of a meeting with Barton, Carroll etc. after Hughton got sacked threatening to slap one of them after it turned into a slanging match…
‘kin nails
Troy are you Steve’s spokes woman..
There are very few clubs that can afford 7.5M, plus insane agent fees, plus 90K a week. The clubs who can afford all of that are already fairly set at striker.
anyone know which shirt the Lads will be wearing tonight.
I reckon the day-glow green will be good for us.
Where has this 90k a week figure come from? Has Dekka been talking to the press again…
If Ba or his agents want more than what the club is willing to pay he’ll be away providing he can get it somewhere else.
One of them things.
Life goes on.
Toonsy- welcome to the blog.
How ya been?
MDS – Cheeky fok
I’ve been around, mainly getting articles out. Don’t have time to debate and don’t really want to get involved over who sent what text message to who and what it really meant
Been working away on dodgy shift patterns so by the time articles are done it’s time for bed then another day at work
Now I’m back home for two days I’m trying to get everything sorted for my holiday next week
whilst spending time with wife, kid, shopping etc etc.
Get meback to work. I need a rest
Careful what you wish for with days off when you have a family. Where you heading for holidiay?
By the way, ever think of adding an “ignore” feature to the blog that allows you to block certain posters?
MDS – I have thought about it but wouldn’t know how to do go about it
Only Spain for a week. Nothing exciting really but a nice break away. First week off for over six months
his can’t be tolerated: the player sulking, his brother criticising Alan Pardew on Twitter, and his agent crying to the press about some perceived ill-treatment. Demba Ba is becoming a real pain.
The player’s continual insistence that he loves Newcastle United and that the fans are ‘special’ to him becomes less credible with each passing incident. He loves the club, but insists on a release clause, he loves the supporters, but only when he gets to play centrally – sorry Demba, but you can’t always have it your own way.
At some point, Alan Pardew is going to recognise that the moaning coming from the forward’s camp is eroding his own authority – strong managers don’t tolerate this kind of behaviour, and Pardew should consider making an example out of Ba. The release clause, the chirping of third-party agents, the five months he went last season without scoring – add up all the elements, and the player is becoming more trouble than he’s worth. Just because he profited from two Tim Howard howlers on Monday night doesn’t all of a sudden give him a license to say whatever he wants.
The player has made a very decent contribution, but he’s hardly irreplaceable – cut the cord, take a fee, preserve the harmony in the squad, and move on without this nonsense. Demba Ba needs to stop behaving as if he’s a Balon d’Or winner and grow some self-awareness.
the above is pasted from the link below
http://thepremierleagueowl.com/alan-pardew-should-now-consider-selling-demba-ba/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=alan-pardew-should-now-consider-selling-demba-ba
i whole heartedly agree
MDS
September 20, 2012 at 14:26
By the way, ever think of adding an “ignore” feature to the blog that allows you to block certain posters?
Toonsy – that would be a friggin god send. I’d even donate money to the blog to make that happen… provided it wasn’t used to pay for South East Asian females with unusually large hands and adam’s apples.
TC – Or domestic bills
or a new computer…
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@Aussie
Got to love Brian Clough.
John McGovern was on talksport earlier and tells the story of him being furious with the referee about a decision.
He troops back in the dressing room at half time and moans to Cloughy about the referee.
Cloughy, LISTEN YOUNG MAN, THAT REFEREE HAS MADE ONE MISTAKE ALL GAME WHICH IS 5 LESS THAN YOU.
NOW GET BACK ON THE PITCH AND IF I SEE YOU ARGUING WITH THE REF AGAIN YOU’LL BE PLAYING FOR A NEW CLUB.
Now you all know I love Ba but …. gobshite agents , the clause still being there
, Play me up front or I’m off threats and Iwant £90k a week 
, exploding knee possibilities -Enough already , message to Ba -If you are really hacked off and think you can do better then go cause this is turning into a circus now ,oh and stop hiding behind your agent or sack him if he’s acting without consent.
Kim- I love Ba too but there has to be reasons why no one excercised that clause over the summer. Greedy agents methinks….
i have never worried about players leaving,whats the point,of coarse i want our best players to stay,but if they want to move on for whatever reason go for it, the days of loyalty are long gone,the club will always be there (hopefully) and we move on simples
Ice – Exactly
I don’t worry about it either ice if I’m honest- just don’t like when they leave on the last day of a window and you can’t replace them.
I don’t always agree when people say we need to hold onto our best players either. Look at Spurs. Pretty much their whole team was bought off the Berbatov/Keane/Modric sales. We certainly improved by selling Carroll and using the money wisely.
Ice your right if he’s not happy then he can get his agent to shut his mouth and start looking for another club for him.
because Pards can’t allow any player to dictate to him, we had enough of that when clueless Chris was Coach 
Toonsy
If your in Spain does that mean you’ll make the trip to portugal for tonight’s game?
Is there an airport on the island or do teams that play them travel across by boat? Would be cool to have to travel to an island to play your league match.
Is it definately the £7m clause again or is it the £15m one we were told it had been raised too after july the 31st ??
Either way tis boring as fuck hes good but hes not irreplaceable
Toonsy @139
i dont know anything about this admin business but i believe you use wordpress. Would this be the thing?
http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/bbpress-ignore-user/
Don’t know how it works like, i’m sure you’d have to enable it etc but not sure then if users would need to activate it in their profile or something.
CC ive seen one or two places say 7 but i think thats just an assumption. Pardew said: that situation is ongoing. So it could well be higher or indeed lower
Ryan Keane @RKeano101
My last retweet proves @dembabafoot is happy at #nufc it’s just agent talk Demba Ba is not going anywhere it’s up to Demba to sort it out
Retweeted by Demba Ba
The important thing is the season doesn’t become all about one player and his agent/clause or sooner or later it could disrupt the whole squad. I want the press writing about our football again, we were finally getting positive press last season and no longer a laughing stock ,admired even. Then the bloody window opens and the £7m clause rears it’s ugly head and all the other press crap that went on and we get shot of all that and now suddenly the clause is back
you couldn’t make it up , why the hell did lambias & co let the clause ride on to the next window ,just stupid practice imo and a bloody distraction we could do without.
Anyway ,back to tonight .Hopefully the youngsters and fringe players do us proud and give the press and us something/someone else to talk /twitter about.
Dave, I msintain he looks a better full back than winger whilet he has worn the Toon strip, however regarding his schoolboy position and where he plays for N Ireland I cannot argue with you as you know better.
Damn- 3 europa matches being shown here this afternoon but not us….
Elliot in goal
NUFCOfficial: #NUFC (4-2-3-1) v #Maritimo: Elliot; Perch, Williamson, S.Taylor, Santon; Bigirimana, Gosling; Obertan, Vuckic, Amalfitano; Shola Ameobi (c)
NUFCOfficial: #NUFC substitutes v #Maritimo: Harper, Tavernier, Ferguson, Abeid, Marveaux, Sammy Ameobi, Campbell. #newcastle #europaleague
MDS the streams should be good if its on espn at least
Team confirmed:
Lee Ryder @lee_ryder
#nufc Elliot; Perch, Williamson, S.Taylor, Santon; Bigirimana, Gosling; Obertan, Vuckic, Amalfitano; Shola Ameobi (c)
Anita has flown home as his partner has gone into labour
Dunno why but i have a feeling Vuckic is gonna have a good game tonight.
so are we looking to Gosling to be the creative spark in m/f or what?
I was kinda expecting Marveaux to start on the left wing too.
all very strange.
Gosling and Bigirimana
They have a good 3 man midfield that will boss the game methinks.
Also had a feeling we would keep STaylor safe for sunday.
We cant afford any more injuries to our defence tonight.
meh
Howay the Lads.
BB i would’ve thought him and bigi sitting more with amal, vuckic, oba creating for shola
fair ’nuff Dub.
New thread up now
so glad after all that hard work to get in europe were taking it serious by fielding a reserve team
To be honest Demba Ba is really beginning to annoy me, ever since cisse was signed hes behaved like a spoilt brat, like hes jealous of cisse for taking his central role. We played so well last season with Ba out on the left and cisse through the middle and picked up some cracking results, espeically away from home (Chelsea, Swansea, west brom) and now we seemed to have changed our system just to accomodate Ba and his whinging, no player is bigger than the club and Pardew needs to relocate his balls and sort this out!!!
Has anyone thought of the fact that the club may not mind peddling the “Ba has knackered knees” story to scare off other clubs ?
At the end of the day, this, plus 7,5 million pounds transfer fee, plus over 50K a week salary to fork out is a lot of cash. In the mean time the toon will stall on contract negotiations because for each month that goes by without Ba getting a pay rise is money under Ashley’s mattress…
The only ones willing to pay this crazy money are some Turkish club somewhere, cannot see an EPL club paying it…..plus he still has a couple of years on his contract I believe..
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