Is it time to give Cisse another start?

Time for Cisse to be given the nod?
Having warmed the bench for the best part of the last two games, it is safe to say that Papiss Cisse must be chomping at the bit to get back onto the park as a part of our starting line up.

While resting Cisse for the games against Sunderland and West Brom, Alan Pardew has put his faith in Shola Ameobi to fill the breach on the back of some solid Euro performances. Shola was unlucky to get substituted against Sunderland due to an early red card to Cheik Tiote but had a solid 60 minute hit out against the Baggies.

No goals were to come from Shola’s inclusion but he did help set up the first goal against West Brom with a nice headed flick into the path of Demba Ba, which the big Senegalese forward duly put away. In fairness to Shola, he was playing out wide on the right side of the park for much of the Baggies clash and really struggled to get into too many scoring positions. However, there was a scuffed shot from a tidy Ben Arfa cross which I think has yet to fall back to earth.

Given 30 minutes to make an impact by Alan Pardew, Cisse came on in place of Shola and began to put himself about. To me he had a bit more energy about his play compared to what I had seen in previous games and to his credit, managed to get into some good positions. As it turned out, the best position of all was to get in the way of young Sammy Ameobi’s last minute shot. In the midst of trying to get out of the line of fire, the ball deflected of his back and ultimately into the back of the net.

Goal to Cisse!

Now I don’t believe for second that Cisse would claim that it was a goal that he had any willing part in but it has been credited to him and we picked up the win as a result.

So where does Pardew go from here?

Does he start Shola against Liverpool or does he give Cisse another chance at rediscovering his goal scoring form?

Or has Shola shown enough in the past two games to warrant another start?

For me Cisse has to start alongside Ba, providing our top scorer can prove his fitness ahead of the trip to Anfield. It will give us much more mobility and hopefully it will force us to keep the ball on the floor and play to feet. Being an away game I can see Pardew setting up with a 4-4-2 formation so we will be requiring two strikers.

What combination that will be is anyone’s guess, what are your thoughts?

By Aussie Magpie Fan

74 thoughts on “Is it time to give Cisse another start?

  1. Good stuff Aussie – Hope you’re wrong about the 442 though. I’d stick Bemba out leftish like the back end of last season and bring Cisse in. If Bemba doesn’t work out then bring Sammy on instead. I’m getting a little tired of the Demba must be through the middle business. What does that mean – we have to start Obertan to accommodate?
    So, 433 for me and tell Benny not to stick to the touchline.

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  2. I wouldn’t start Cisse.

    I would go with:

    Krul / Simpson, Tayls, Colo, Santon / Perch, Anita, Cabaye, Jonas / HBA / Ba

    Pack the midfield, give Ben Arfa a free role and let Ba feed off the scraps. We can’t let them pass it round our midfield.

    Pards however, will probably go with:

    Krul/ Simpson, Williamson, Colo, Santon / Perch, Cabaye, Jonas, HBA / Ba, Shola (Cisse)

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  3. your lass did a canny job there aussie 😉 i would always go with a goal-scorer which shola isnt imo,cissie will come good at some point soon

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  4. I think Cisse should start against Liverpool , Liverpool like to have their centre halves miles apart with Allan kinda in the middle of them , Cisse pace would casue them no end of trouble

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  5. I thought Ba was injured 😕 . Apologies if someone has already said this, my phone won’t let me view comments for some reason.

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  6. Definitely start Cisse if Ba is injured in a 4-3-3. That’s why I think it could be a blessing if Ba is injured, or a blessing for Cisse anyway. If he’s not injured then I’d start Ba and Cisse with Barfa behind in Manure’s diamond formation, but Pards won’t do that either.

    4-4-2 with Cisse and Ba? Certainly won’t be the end of hoofball 😆 Least if Bambi was on it would actually work too..

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  7. Cisse will probably have to play because I think Ba will sit out. It might end up being 4-4-1-1 with Shola sitting behind Cisse and Ben Arfa with possibly Obertan on the wings. Perch and Cabaye in central midfield. I would like to see Saylor and Colo at the back with Simpson and Santon as the fullbacks. A different formation such as 4-2-3-1 might work well but Pardew has shown no real inclination to try something new, especially away from home. With Liverpool having only 1 striker we have a good chance this time I think. A 1-2 win for us with Cisse and Ben Arfa scoring.

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  8. Not only won’t Ash/Llam not panic in the January transfer window they won’t do anything particularly positive either. We won’t spend even reasonable money and because of that we will slide down the table to 8th or 9th. No Europe next season but Ashley doesn’t care because of the big new TV contract. Attendance drops off a little? No problem, big new TV contract. Top players start to get fed up with lack of ambition? No problem, big new TV contract. 😥

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  9. Terrible English, won’t not panic? I guess I mean Ash/Llam are sitting with big smiles on their faces no matter where we finish and the spending will be miserly again. No problem, the cash will roll in, big new TV contract (Ashley loves the sound of those words).

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  10. if ba is out id like us to start with krul, simmo, taylor, colo,santon,jonas, perch,cabaye,ferguson,ben arfa in the hole and cisse up front. can see liverpool trying to keep the ball so we’ll try and play on the counter attack

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  11. Ba is doubuful (50/50) so let’s keep him as an impact sub and go with Cissie & Shola, Bet Fred have us as 5/1 to win, I recommend a little flutter lads. Suarez must be knackered and both thier keepers keeping dropping the ball.

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  12. only hope we dont go 4-3-3 cos i think we could get over run in midfield,il settle for 1-1 draw, having said that liverpool are nowhere near the force of old

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  13. So far this season every team has overpowered us in midfield, Sunday against Liverpool away will be no different. The clue to it all is to how our defence performs. If we can hold solid, we have the players up front who can score a goal from nothing. Would settle for a draw, maybe we can nick it if the defence do the business… Demba and Shola up front is a must. Cisse on the bench.

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  14. Aussie tell the Lass well done and thanks for another good read 😉
    Yeah I think Cisse needs to start, I really don’t see the point in starting Strolla as he will never last so will have to come off at some point, so why not bring him on if we need him as thats what he’s good at .

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  15. MM
    I genuinely reckon that replacing Saylor with Willo in the centre of defence will help to minimise this route 1 tactic that by-passes the midfield in an attempt to find our strikers who are poor in the air (despite what many think they are poor in the air). With Taylor next to Colo we have a physical presence in defence that doesnt just boot it away, he finds a man to turn an attack around. Perch at CDM also has the problem of booting it (except when he sent Ba through the other week with a good through ball), Anita isn’t the solution as he is poor positionally to make a tackle and his passing is shit, Bigi whilst still inexperienced is our best bet, whilst Tiote is out, as he passes along the ground and is strong in the tackle.

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  16. Cisse to start for me ,he needs game time and a vote of confidence from Pards. If Sterling plays I can see him being a real thorn in the side as will be the racist .Hard to call this one ,if the real Toon turn up we could nick it ,if we play like last week it will be a hard slog imo.

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  17. Dave
    I agree, Shola is and will be till the end of his career with us an impact sub, he can’t last more than 60 minutes and is at his peak for his first 30 minutes.
    ———————————–Krul————————————
    -Simpson——Taylor——————-Colocinni——–Santon-
    ———————Bigirimana———Jonas————————-
    ———————————-Cabaye———————————
    -Ben Arfa———————–Cisse————–Fergie/Sammy-

    I reckon that this should be the team to start against Liverpool, Bigi can stay on old man Gerrard and harrass him all night whilst helping Simpson deal with Sterling, Jonas can charge Allen so that he’ll inevetibaly panic and give the ball away, thats when Cabaye gets the ball and threads it through to one of the front three to either shoot or take on their man to shoot/cross.

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  18. Kim
    Colo should have the racist prick in his pocket if he plays as he did a couple weeks back, though if he plays like he did against WBA then we’ll have problems and even though Suarez’s succesion rate is beyond shit I don’t like giving him the chance. Taylor will be the enforcer of the defence, stopping the likes of Gerrard ad Sterling if they get too near the edge of the box.

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  19. Andymag… it seems that Pardew has a lot of time for Willo so I fear he’ll get a start of Staylor, which is madness really. Maybe Staylor is suffering from the disciplinary side cos of his outburst about Sunderland last weekend ?

    Willo will get destroyed by Liverpool running at him. Plus as you say he cannot pass the ball. I’d prefer to start Shola because neither Demba Ba nor Cisse can hold the ball up, and that puts pressure onto the midfield straight away.

    Would like to see …

    Krul, Simmo, Collo, Staylo, Santone

    Perch Cabaye Jonas Ben Arfa

    Demba Ba Shola

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  20. MM
    Yeah Pardew is pretty stubborn which can be irritating. Don’t think Ba will be risked with his shin injury on Sunday so I fancy Papiss to get the start and after getting a goal last week (even if it was his back) Pardew would be stupid to bench him. Also as I said I don’t hink Perch has a good enough passing range to play in the CM role.

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  21. From what SSN are suggesting, Reina and Johnson aren’t fit for the dippers.
    If that’s the case I hope we go 4-4-2 as follows:

    ————— Krul ————
    Simmo/Saylor/Colo/Santon
    Benny/Cabaye/Jonas/Fergie
    ———-Cisse — Shola ——-

    When Shola starts to tire then put Obertan on the right and allow Benny a free rein.
    Whilst Shola is on I’d like us to get the ball out to Benny and Fergie as quickly and regularly as possible.

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  22. Sharpy
    Shola doesn’t play as well when he starts, he plays best when he’s got a 30 minute role when the other team is tired and don’t register him as a threat unil it is too late.

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  23. http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/177484.html?CMP=OTC-RSS#
    “Glen Johnson is second only to Daniel Alves” 😐 The fact that he thinks Alves is the best full-back in the world just proves how little he knows about football. A good full-back should be better at defending than they are attacking or at least be equal at both, Alves is great going forward but is rubbish at defending, Johnson is a better full-back than him but that doesn’t make him great. Phillip Lahm is the best in the world, then Sergio Ramos, then Sagna and then Ivanovic. What do they all have in common they aren’t attacking full-backs, they are solid defenders.
    Sorry went on a bit of an off topic rant there 😕 .

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  24. Andymag …Phillip Lahm is all over the place mate, a solid defender, and great going forward. He’s also scored a couple of cracking goals for Germany…

    In the UK the English like to believe there own hype about being the best league in the world. You only need to see how an out of form Dortmund battered Man City on there own turf to get the true story. Glen Johnson one of the best right backs…yeah right … HBA would make a right mess of him … 😉

    Big D, I would play Shola because of his ability to hold up the ball. Neither of the Demba’s can do that, that and the fact that Tiote is missing means we’ll get battered in midfield on Sunday.. 🙁

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  25. Lahm is average for me…To be honest, until recently I’d probably have had Ashley cole up there as the top LB in the world..

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  26. [email protected]… 😯 I thought you knew your footy mukka… 😆

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  27. Munich 😆

    I remember thinking back then, Cole was the only Englishman who would get near a world 11. But Lahm? Yeah, I think he’s overrated. I think a lot of the current German side is/was overrated in England to be honest, that so many people had them down as favourites really surprised me.

    I think it’s something to do with the English psyche, Germany are similar to how England were/what England want to be like, and are clearly a lot better than England themselves. Therefore some sort of Germanic/Saxon bias creeps in 😆

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  28. Andy – that’s how I’d start mate, Shola looked dangerous against the Scum and WBA – although I wouldn’t put him on the right as he was against Albion.
    I think their CBs have a red card or penalty in them and think the physicality of Shola and Cisse would be a good start, then let Obertan run at them later on.

    Regarding the full back crack. For me Gael Clichy is best left back in the world and Sergio Ramos on the right.

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  29. Newkie, I agree about Cole, when he was at his best, he was brilliant, and would have certainly made a world 11, probably only Roberto Carlos was in front of him at the time….. Phillip Lahm is one of the best defenders in the world imo.

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  30. Nice read Aussie. I want to see both Dembas with HBA Cabaye & Fergie creating chances in a 4-1-3-2. Won’t happen though

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  31. [email protected] 😆 😆

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  32. Munich – do you follow a lot of German football?

    I was talking to German lad about footy when we were on hols earlier this year and he reckoned there was a kid called Julian Schieber at Stuttgart I think, he reckoned he was a cracking young striker and would really suit the English game.
    Was just wondering if you had heard of him or see him at all mate?

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  33. MM
    I’m a big fan of German football and in particularily Dortmund (and that was before they started consistantly dominating the bundesliga as I liked Subotic after I signed him in FIFA 😎 🙄 ) but generally don’t get the opportunity to watch anything of it. Did see the highlights of last weekends games though on ITV4 and was thoroughly impressed.
    Newkie
    I don’t know how you can claim that Lahm is overrated when we don’t see him on a weekly basis and rarely hear about him in the press over here. Munich Mag probably has the most valid view on him (if he does pay attention to the bundesliga).
    A player that I would add to great full-backs is Łukasz Piszczek who is the RB for Dortmund and Poland, may not have seen much from him but from what I have seen he is solid and very compitant going forward. He is of course relatively unknown being from the league he is in and to an extent the country he is from.

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  34. Andy-True, I don’t watch him on a weekly basis, but you don’t have to watch them every week to have an opinion on it IMO. Do you watch him every week, and if so how can you claim he is the best? And do you watch Danny Alves every week?

    Alves isn’t a great defender, but Barca don’t really need him for that, they need him for his pace and for his ability to create width-two things which the majority of Barca players aren’t that great at. Particularly their defence, they’ve always been a team susceptible to the counter attack. Abidal could cover for him as he was solid defensively, and obviously Puyol was one of the best CBs in the world.

    Anyway, I remember Lahms praises being sung several times in the media before matches like Chelsea v Bayern and Italy v Germany, Balotelli made an absolute mockery of him in the later 😆

    Don’t get me wrong, he’s still a great player, just not the no.1 for me. Although to be fair, there isn’t a lot to chose from 😀

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  35. Cheers for the feed back everyone. I am surprised by the amount of Shola love, he normally cops a battering on these forums 🙂
    Ice & BD, I will let my missus know that you enjoyed her article…….. Once I have finished my coffee and she has finished mopping the floors and cooking my breakfast. 🙂 🙂

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  36. Andy/Newkie – Lahm is a very good player but as I say, for me Clichy is the best LB in the world. Defensively he’s so sound but has the pace should he need to help out one of the other defenders, also he’s a threat going forward.

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  37. We will have the best lb in the world in another two years if Santon keeps developing as he is currently 🙂 🙂

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  38. Aussie – you may not have spotted the pattern mate, pre match Shola love – post match battering 😆

    Aussie – I’m not sure if it was abit tongue in cheek mate but I’d agree about Santon. I think at the rate he’s developing he could certainly go on to be as good as any mentioned tonight.

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  39. Serious as heart attack Sharpy 🙂 Santon is class, once he get fully hardened up to the English game, he will be right up there with the best of them.
    Spot on about Shola mate 🙂 🙂 good from afar but far from good 🙂 🙂

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  40. Aussie-it is funny, from one who regularly defends the Slayer himself, I’m surprised by how many people want him starting 😆

    Sharpy-Controversial indeed mate! Personally I think Baines is the best LB in the prem nowadays, but I’d need to see him line up for England more often. The best players should always carry their club form into the national side, and should be able to tailor their game to different styles imo. Right back is clearly….OVER THE WALLLLLLLL

    😆

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  41. I agree about Santon too, he looks better at left back and we need to sort out what to do with him when he cuts in, but if we can sort that out and he can start shooting like he did against WBA we could have a top top player with us.

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  42. Sir Newkie – Defender of the Shola! 🙂 🙂

    Santons game will develop as he cuts in more and more. He has at least started shooting in recent weeks 🙂

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  43. Indeed! And even I don’t want him starting against Liverpool! 😆

    Well, he has at least started getting them on target in recent weeks, he had some pot shots last season but the problem was, he’d cut in and run into two defenders, stop and then give it a kick going for the top corner as that was the only place open, and it never worked. With his pace and skill, I’d love to see him get into the box and then cut it back for one of our strikers, but he’s not too confident passing with his left. Then when he’s on the right, he can’t cut in because the ball is on his left foot…

    So if he’s going to play on the left, he’s going to need to learn to shoot properly. Give him lessons from Shola I say… 😆

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  44. Scuffing shots like shots like Shola does can not be taught, you are born with it 🙂 🙂

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  45. Aussie 😆

    I thought that only applied to the bits where he trips over the ball but also takes it past three defenders and the keeper and slots it cooly into the net, when attempting to pass?

    Sheer talent..

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  46. Seemed to repeat myself it that last post 🙂 🙂 wtf?

    Talent hmmmmmmm, your word not mine 🙂 🙂

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  47. Clearly talking of Shola gets you angry, upset, or nervous. So what is it, hate, fear, or just a little man crush?… 😀

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  48. 😯 😆

    None of the above… I would say “aggravated” if i were to choose a word..
    The guy frustrates the hell out of me… I want to support him but his casual nature on the park drives me mad… he can at least look like he gives a shit when he loses the ball..
    If anyone has a man crush it would have to be you Newkie :mrgreen:

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  49. He’s just a chilled out kinda guy, he does give a shit though. Just take a look at him for the Tiote sending off to see if he cares 😀

    Aussie-No man crushes for me, well, unless you count the dreamboat. But I tell you, that Yohan is more than a man. A certain, va va voom about him doncha think? 😆

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  50. Cisse has to play to be fair. I know he hasn’t exactly been firing on all cylinders yet but he’s one of those players that can just explode again, on a whim and start scoring.
    Shola is still a good outlet for us, yet I feel that his presence is mainly as an impact sub for the last 20/30 mins in a game rather than starting and fading out against fresh, strong oppo.

    We are starting to give ourselves a few nice headaches about positional starts for players when you think of Sammi Ameobi being effective down the flank.

    Obertan is also sneaking in and showing glimpses of what he’s about,which in a way can release Ben Arfa to do some damage playing behind Ba or Cisse, or even both , depending on the formation put out.

    Ben Arfa is a good foil as well as he always attracts about 3 players onto him whenever he gets the ball as they know what he’s capable of, yet that leaves space that Cisse can exploit.

    I’m sure Pardew will adjust as necessary and it’s easy for us to think we know how to work the team out, yet in all honesty it’s an easy on the eye approach we are taking, in terms of trying to put as many flair players into the equation rather than the bread and butter players that actually grind out results, even if it’s not to our taste.

    To push on, sometimes you have to take a few steps back as well, or what appears to be a few steps back, in terms of trying new avenues with good quality up and coming young squad players…and this is what Pardew seems to be doing.

    As my Nana always says, ” it’s better to do 3 boiled eggs and eat 2, than to by a loaf of warburtons and feed it all to the ducks when you could have used a few slices to have as toasted soldiers, whilst selling the remaining soft boiled egg to your starving neighbour for 3 pence and feeling like you have saved a life”

    What I’ve just said, means nothing and to be honest, me Nana just comes out with this stuff after she’s pissed the bed on a morning, so it’s bound to make no real sense. 😀

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  51. Andymag / Sharpy17 I normally watch a lot of German footy, but this season due to travelling a lot with work I’ve lost touch a bit on up and coming talent. I’ve heard a bit about this lad at Stuttgart, but not enough to vouch for him.
    The main issue with the Germans is that any young talent coming through sits tight in Germany, cos to be honest he doesn’t need to move to England to get noticed, and they all want to force there way into Joachim Löwes international line-up. I reckon the Bundesliga is not far off the EPL to be honest. The only advantage the EPL has is the outrageous amounts of money that the likes of Chelsea and Man City can pay.

    Regarding Balotelli getting the better of Lahm, it’s cos Lahm is knee high to a grasshopper, and Balotelli outmuscled him in a central defense tussle. Lahm is a right back, and I haven’t seen it too often that a winger gets the better of him. He attacks brilliantly, and like all German players his distribution is excellent.

    By the way, we have a real gem in Santone. Thank goodness for us he’s got himself hooked up with a wee hen from the toon. Hopefully that’ll keep him on Tyneside for years to come 🙂

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  52. AndyMag I also like the look of Łukasz Piszczek, he plays really well at right back for Dortmund. In fact Dortmund have three excellent Poles in Lewandowski and Blasikowski (spelling 🙁 ?)….

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  53. I reckon we should start with Sammi and Oba out wide and swing Jonas into dm. We are lacking pace on the park..plenty on the bench but none on the park with or reg 11. Get it sorted Pardz! 🙂

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  54. Wolfie – bless ya nana, she must be in the money though coz mine could only ever afford Sunblest bread – never the Warburtons 🙁

    I agree Pardew has a bit of a headache, but I think it’s more due to the fact that he’s having to kinda ‘learn as he goes’ and a lot of the time with the likes of Oba, Marv and Sammy, he just doesn’t know what he’s gonna get. Added to that the fact that some of his first teamers like Cabaye, Tiote and Cisse aren’t showing the form they did last season – then yes, Pardew has a real headache.

    I’ve realised I’m a total hypocrite coz in stats article I said we needed to stop the long ball. But the true is that I want us to beat Liverpool so badly I couldn’t give a shit how we achieve it to be honest.

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  55. Aussie Mag….you are onto something there regarding lack of pace in the side… though maybe Liverpool away is the wrong place to experiment. Pardew and his tactics are in the spotlight tomorrow in my opinion. Liverpool seem to be in some kind of turmoil at the moment. If the right Toon turn up tomorrow this could be our best chance in years to come home with a point or three. Pity Tiote is missing though..

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  56. Eminem, I reckon it is why we get pinned back deep in our own half so often.. other than Benny we have no one that can break at speed..

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  57. Sharpy17, I reckon the opposite mate. With Oba, Marv and Sammy, Pardew knows exactly what he’s gonna get, and it isn’t consistently good enough to oust any of the current best 11 imo. Therein lies the dilemna, if they were good enough they would be in the team for sure. Perhaps this is the season the fringe players really come good., and the europa league is the perfect opportunity to bring them on..

    Marv has completely disappeared, not sure what is up with him, cos at times he looks like a class act, and other times as if he’s disinterested…

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  58. MM – what I mean is that they generally play well in the reserves but when they get close to the first team you may as well throw the bones in the air and see how they land. I understand that they get full games in the reserves and only sub appearances for the first team but when they get on they seem to play in a huff (if that makes sense). I like Sammy but there is a bit of the headless chicken about him, sometimes it’s brilliant and other times frustrating.
    Personally I’d stick with Fergie on the left. He may still be fairly inexperienced but he’s capable of getting those crosses in and works his socks off.

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  59. Sharpy17, Fergie and Obertan seemed to be improving slowly, and are knocking on the door at the moment. Sammy lost a bit of development time due to his injury, but I think he has enough tricks in his box to be a good steady Premier League striker.

    If those three players make the complete break through this season I’d consider that a real strengthening of the team / squad…

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