What should we do with Demba Ba?

Oh no not this again…
As January fast approaches, so does speculation regarding the future of Demba Ba.

Once again the future of the Senegal international is up in the air with reports that the striker has turned down a new deal and is wanting a wage somewhere in the region of £90,000 a week.

This has lead to differing reactions from the United fan base, with two distinct camps forming. The blue corner we have those who say Ba is selfish, that he is holding the club to ransom and should be got rid of. In the red corner we have those who say that Ba has been our top scorer and one of the top scorers in one of the most lucrative and “best” leagues in the world for the last two seasons so deserves the money. There are also a number of people, such as myself, stuck in the middle who don’t actually know the facts and aren’t willing to form an opinion based on what is said in the press given the amount of sh*t they spout.

Now I’m not too bothered about wages on offer. For a start it’s not my money or my career so I can’t say one is being tight or one is being greedy. What I can say though is that this circus needs to end one way or another.

Every time the transfer window approaches we are subjected to the same old thing with Demba Ba and it’s starting to annoy me. He might leave, he might stay, but speculation won’t stop until either outcome is guaranteed and even then it will only stop until the summer anyway.

Perhaps it is worth looking at what hasn’t been said rather than what has been said? Has Ba ever directly come out and said that he wants to leave United? One of his “advisors” made hints suggesting that earlier on in the season after his client found himself on the bench, but to my knowledge Ba has never actually said himself that he wants to go.

I’m not purely defending Ba here as there have been enough soundbytes to back up claims that he was unhappy with certain things at the club, although he’s not actually said which things. Speculation has come to the conclusion that it was all about him being unhappy about playing on the left but again there is nothing concrete to back that up. Something isn’t/hasn’t been right though…

And something needs sorting…

72 thoughts on “What should we do with Demba Ba?

  1. I’m in the if we were getting £35m for him he could go camp. But since we are not can he please stay as we won’t get better for the money. Now can somebody phone the fire brigade to help me down off this fence.

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  2. sorry to disrupt a good thread early on. Well written Toonsy. Just loaded My FM 2013 on Android to my tablet. Eminantly playable but according to their database Phil Airey is our best striker and HBA isn’t good enough to get in the team. :mrgreen:

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  3. Has the £90k been proven or is it just press speculation???? If it is £90k I think we should meet him in the middle @ £70k as he is proven

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  4. Ba is prob the best striker , esp in terms of goals , that we have had since Shearer. Im not sayin he is as good as the man himself but he I dont think we ever got over losing Shearer to age and I think that played a part in our demise a few seasons ago. I dont think we could afford to lose Ba in Jan , esp with where we are in the league. He is joint top scorer in the league. But Im not sure if he is worth the reported 90k a week he is said to be looking for. Hopefully a deal can be done and I think it will. I think Ba wants to stay.

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  5. While I don’t condone anyone holding us to ransom Its Llambias that gave him the buy out clause contract in the first place and no doubt he was able to get this inserted due to his wgaes being (relatively) low.

    Whilst I dont think Demba is a complete world beater he his a quality goal scorer who works hard for the team and has proved this with his premiership record of what 40 goals in 70 games?

    Also the negative impact on the rest of the squad if he does leave would not be good.

    with that in mind he needs to be signed up.

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  6. Best for me is if everybody who has any ideas on transfers should just be quiet until January. I’ve got Christmas and some nasty matches to negotiate before then. Christmas should only be mentioned in December and transfers in January – thankyou.

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  7. (THIS IS A GOVERNMENT HEALTH WARNING. THIS POSTER IS LIABLE TO DISAGREE WITH YOUR POINT OF VIEW. ONLY ENGAGE IF YOU AREN’T SENSITIVE AND DON’T TAKE HISSY FITS)

    Where do we get another prolific striker for £7..5m?
    However, can we afford £90k per week?
    If he gets it, does Cisse demand it if he hits form again?

    I certainly don’t blame Ba for wanting to be paid top wages and if the Toon can’t afford it and a top club does, then he should leave us.
    That’s his entitlement and its not being disloyal.

    We got him for nothing. His career looked in tatters before we signed him and he faced the scrap heap. He needs to make as much money as can to secure his future. I see nothing wrong in that.

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  8. The club simply aren’t in a position to pay Ba 90k a week. If that is indeed the case.
    As Troy states. If he gets his way, does Cisse ask for a pay rise? Does Coloccini? Tiote? Ben Arfa? Cabaye?

    Sometimes you have to cut your loses… Personally I think that even if the board did do a deal to take the clause out, they would try sell him anyway.

    Unfortunately though, if the board do refuse to pay him 90k, which I feel they should and will. Then I believe they will have to invest in a player of quality. Which will cost a large fee but not such extortionate wages.

    This would keep the other players happy, both in terms of ambition and the own wage packages.

    If the board had sorted this out in the beginning of they year as they should have. It wouldn’t be anywhere near as bigger problem as it is now. Because Ba’s stock has risen since the season started and both he and his agent know it!

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  9. Ba is a proven propific PL goal getter. Sign him up or remain mid table dross. Nonody knows the in & outs of his contract demands so lets not judge him based on tabloid bolox. What we do know is that Llambastad will pinch every penny he can to the point where he has lost us some good players in transfer windows. Dies he do the same during contract re-negotiations and will it cist us Demba Ba? Very likely in my opinion.

    The club only have themselves to blame if we lose Ba. Who else is going to come in and score as many as Ba without the club having to pay shedloads for the privelege. Sometimes you gave to pay the going rate for quality.

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  10. Another way to look at it, IF the reports are true is like this;

    Ba gets £90k p/w for 3 years. That costs us £14m and he scores lots.

    Or;

    We take the £7.5m for him, sign a quality striker cheap for approx £12m, give him £60k p/w iver 3 years (if he accepts wages that low for a qyslity striker) and pay his sgent a couple if million. In total we spend £17m and HOPE the new striker is as productive as Ba was…

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  11. Thanks for the article Toonsy but I am sick of hearing about this Ba contract shit to be honest…. fecking over it..

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  12. we need ba to stay he is our best striker since shear and big les we wouldont get a player of his ability if we wont to move forword he has to stay

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  13. SCOTTIE
    December 5, 2012 at 09:40
    Has the £90k been proven or is it just press speculation???? If it is £90k I think we should meet him in the middle @ £70k as he is proven LOL so let me get this straight you want to give a player a 70k a week contract whos knee could go at anytime lmao over what period of time were you thinking buddy lol

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  14. I’m just fuked of with the circus surrounding Ba and his agents, I do believe he is worth more than £40k if that is what he’s on.
    But I think it would be a big ask to give him a new contract on £90, and imo it would cause probs in the team, what happens if he goes on a bad run or gets injuried and Cisse then steps up and starts knocking them in for fun like he did last season ? Does he then go demanding to be on the same ?.
    I have seen some say that we should pay him what he wants, but the funny thing is that some were accusing Carroll of being a greedy bastad for demanding more, and as far as I can see the main difference was that Carroll had a team that was willing to pay £35mil for himand were preparedto pay him £80-90k a week, so he was asking the club to try to match the wages he was offered, but as far as I can work out no team have offered to take Ba and pay his £90k a week?

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  15. Yawn. Ba wants more money if he’s to do away with the buy-out clause. That’s not the same as wanting out, and it’s certainly not the same as wanting to ditch the Europa League campaign in January.

    Anyone got a forecast for the teacup tomorrow?

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  16. Meant to add that imo there is no way Ba would risk the wrath of the fans by saying anything negative unless there was a big team ready to take him. So for me the fact he hasn’t said owt negative doesn’t surprise me, especially when he has his agents stirring the shit, and if Ba wasn’t happy with what the agents were saying well then he could just tell his agents to shut it, but I expect to hear more when his clause is active.

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  17. if ba can get 90k/week out of the tight-fisted x2 billionaire – then he deserves every penny of it.

    good luck.

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  18. Totally tired of the whole saga. I don’t need or want to know what the guy earns. It’s all chinese whispers anyway.
    It’s great having him around but I can easily picture life without him.

    HBA – Cisse – Marv

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  19. Georgio, thats a total change of formation and a reliance on two very injury prone footballers.

    Btw – considering Ba’s knee us knackered, he has not half played a lot of football both domestically & internstionally over the past 3 to 4 years…. Strange that.

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  21. pay him on performances.

    he’ll sharp settle for left wing duties if Pardew drops him for a couple of weeks and plays Cisse main striker.

    job done

    i thenk yow 😎

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  22. ime with DAVE where does it end we know we have some sort of wage limit what it is no one knows,but colo and jonas were happy to sign new contracts some say even a reduced wage,imo this just causes unrest in the camp will they all want pay rises to keep them happy,dont go down that road

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  23. Difficult to call this one as we don’t know the details. I think Ba needs to be paid at the appropriate level of a top striker. I would keep the new deal to 3 years as his knees are in question. Also if possible appearances clauses but this can’t be pushed too hard or he won’t sign. I can’t see him accepting less than 70K a week no matter what he gets now. Still not sure about Cisse’s ability to take Ba’s place if Ba leaves. Those that want to call Ba a greedy selfish git and get rid of him should think about Cisse’s performances so far this season. He has taken a huge step backward for me. His inability to stay onside more often is one of the most alarming aspects.

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  24. When you look at what players at Liverpool and Spurs to some extent earn then you see why we cannot compete withbthem in the long run unless we show a bit of ambition. Granted theses days they are overpaid or underperforming but the money we put on offer will not consistently atteact the type if player capable of pushing us into the Top 4. If we are happy being mid table, occasionally breaking 5th or 6th then fair enough.

    there is no reason our best players should not be paid a fair bit more than our less gifted players. If you want a gem, you pay for it. If you dint want one, fine. But you wont stand out from the crowd.

    Personally I’d rather see us consistently hovering sround the top if the Championship than settling for year upon year of mid table boring football in the Prem with no hope of ever winning anything. At least the Championship has a bits if guts & glory to it.

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  25. The MK Dons game v Wimbledon the ither day was the best game I have seen in years, far more entertaining than some mid table Prem derby match.

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  26. I think it is a win win for us in many senses. I think his knees are a timebomb waiting to go off. If we are lucky we may get a while out of him before they go. We got him in for nothing and obviously 7.5m is alot of profit. I think we would be daft to think Carr hasnt already got someone else in mind who would come in and do a good job for us. I hate to say it but I think we should cash in certainly in the summer and say thanks and move on. We cannot afford to have players starting to make these sorts of demands. I think we are still in a position of transition where we can expect players to leave us for bigger contracts and wages to better teams after a while. I accept that, its life. Who wouldnt do that for themselves? I would have a big problem if he did a Barton and went down in standard of team just for the money. Then we would see his character. As others have said it would then leave Cisse, HBA, Cabaye etc all in the office wanting bumper deals and then we are regressing.

    It would be with a tinge of sadness that I would say thanks Demba but off you go. We have Huntelaar for example whos similar age, equally proven and cheap as he is running down his deal so I think we can replace him, if we show the right ambition. Im not suggesting Huntelaar would come as his wage demands would be high too of course, just using him as an example.

    Right home time, hopefully see some of you later having ripped my post to shreds

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  27. But if Ashley wants to get back to mid table ice he had better be prepared to pay his top players more ice. If he won’t even do that then we will struggle in the bottom half of the table because we will lose players like Ba, and Ben Arfa. It’s a real test of his ambition mate as we all well know. If he won’t spend properly in the transfer windows and he won’t pay his top players competitive wages then I fear for us as Shamrock has also said @28. There is a limit to how cheap an owner of a Prem side can be especially with the new TV contract paying so much more money next season. Surely even Ashley and Llambias can see that they must spend to be around next season for the big money prize. All talk of a top 4 finish from Pardew must surely end now as it is more ridiculous by the day with the injuries piling up and no commitment from the owner.

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  28. Look at Torres (£50m) or AC (£35m). People are talking about replacing Ba with a £12m striker but both these lads prove that money doesn’t buy you goals or even a player performing well.
    I’m not saying that we should cave in and pay the lad 90k a week. But what we HAVE to do is get a contract drawn up – same terms as Colo, get Bas agent and Ba into the boardroom and give him one chance. If you love playing here and you’re enjoying your football, sign the contract. We are showing our loyalty by paying you the same as the club capt, so we want you to stay, but if you walk out this room without signing then there will be no other offer!.
    If that’s the case, come out and say it, get another club to buy him and end this shit one way or another coz its fecking boring now like!!!.

    I have read though that clubs who showed an interest in the summer were put off by the ludicrous terms his agent has set for potential suitors, so I don’t suppose this will be completely straight forward like.

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  29. G2 i agree 100% mate,but try telling jabba that,he showed how his line of thought in the last window,when every man and his dog knew how many more games we would play and injurys that were bound to come i just have no faith in him ime afraid 🙁

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  30. Another way to put this is I don’t think Ashley can send a message to the players (and indirectly to the supporters) that he won’t pay competitive wages, he won’t commit to a reasonable level of spending to improve the squad, and he won’t hire an experienced football man as MD but he will expect a top 8 finish. Does this make any sense? Would it work in any field of endeavour? How often does incompetence yield good results? Has Llambias consistently shown good judgement in his job performance or even his own behaviour? What level of incompetence would cause Ashley to sack Llambias? Would Llambias still have his job if we are relegated again? It’s easy to sack the manager but what good would it do if the Ash/Llam regime remained in place?

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  31. No one really knows for sure what he wants but if it’s £90k a week I don’t think there is a hope in hell of Jabba agreeing to that.Even if he does it will only be an open invitation to all the other players to try it on . What about Cisse ,what’s he on ,remember he is our number 9 ,so you would think it’s a fair whack but what if it’s say £50k and he sees Ba get £90k ,he’ll be well miffed and I don’t blame him , I would be too. Still think the club will call his bluff if he’s saying pay or I’m off as his knees will always put off a lot of clubs and especially at those wage demands ,if true. Makes no difference that his knees been fine with us it still an ongoing issue around him.

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  32. Sad to say you are absolutely right icedog. What level of performance would start the alarm bells ringing for Ashley? If we are sitting in 16th place on Jan 1 will that do it? Would he release some funds and tell Carr to recommend 3 good signings and tell Llambias to go out and get them? I’ll wait and see but I’m not optimistic.

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  33. But Kimtoon Cisse’s level of performance this season has been terrible. How could he ask for a huge raise on the basis of his current performances? If he had 10 goals like Ba and we were in the top 4 then Ashley would have a huge problem saying no but as it stands now there is no problem whatsoever. Cisse hasn’t a leg to stand on when it comes to getting a bigger wage.

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  34. Sharpy the club have been trying to sort a new contract out with him from the summer, but he still hasn’t agreed so what do you think they should do ?

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  35. G2 – I agree with what you’re saying mate, but a better arguement to go at Ashley with would be, ‘get this sorted or this player leaves for peanuts!’.
    If Ba was to leave for £15-20m then I think Ashley would willingly let him go.
    Personally though, when you have a goal scorer you break your back to keep him IMO, world beater or not!.
    Players like Lambert (saints) or Holt (Norwich) aren’t world beaters and aren’t gonna be snapped up by the top 4, but are vitally important to the clubs, and are playing week in week out.
    To let Ba go for so little would be as big a mistake as the lack of signings in the summer.
    There’s only so many risks you can take and still guarantee not only top of the table success but league survival, and the risks we seem to be taking put us at risk of the 2nd.

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  36. [email protected] ,Yeah I see what you are saying but what happens if Cisse suddenly starts to perform at last seasons level and the board have agreed to give Ba £90k ,they then have a huge problem on their hands imo.

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  37. Big Dave I think Ashley is in a poor bargaining position this time round. With the release clause in place teams like Liverpool can just take a chance on Ba’s knees because it will only cost them 7.5M pounds plus a decent wage. With Carroll Ashley just laughed at his wage demands and turned around and sold him for 35M. That was a mad price but it made Ashley look so clever. The shoe is on the other foot this time around though. Ba has a much stronger bargaining position and he is banging in the goals. Ashley will have to use a much different approach or risk losing Ba and having us be threatened with relegation. I think it would do that much damage to the team. What do you think mate?

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  38. Sorry Sharpy I didn’t see your post @42. I have said much the same thing @44 mate. The small transfer fee is the key here. It puts Ashley in a terrible bargaining position and that’s why a new deal is taking so long. Every time Ba bangs in another goal it makes Ashley’s job that much harder. It’s ridiculous but true.The more Ba scores the worse Ashley is going to look to the supporters if he lets Ba go.

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  39. I agree with you Toonsy in that I’m not going to form an opinion based around what the press write. If he is indeed after 90k well….I’d say that’s what he’s worth. Strikers tend to command the best wages at most clubs and if Colo is worth 80k I’d say Ba is worth 90, assuming of course his knees are all fine and dandy. I’m not a doctor…

    3.5 mil for him is a joke quite frankly and we’ll be lucky to see someone brought in of his quality, so unless he’s the prick he’s often made out to be I’d keep him and get that clause outta there.

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  40. Good point Kimtoon @43. But also the better Cisse performs the higher up the table we will finish and the more money Ashley will get in return. So surely some of the increased profit can go to improving the top performers’ wages? There is no way around this. Top players are not going to stay with us for far less wage than they can get elsewhere. We have already seen this over and over. And the young players are not coming on fast enough to just say let them all go because we can replace them for cheap. It just isn’t going to work (as it hasn’t worked this season with injuries). If Ashley tries this method we will be the ones who suffer, with more poor team performances and bottom 10 finishes.

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  41. This issue will continue to help us understand Ashley’s motivation. If he let’s Ba go and we get little spending in the transfer window I think there is no more point in saying Ashley has been a good owner. I think it says Ashley thinks he can make the bargain bin approach work in the football world with a bargain bin managing director and bargain bin players. If that gets us consistently into the top 6 then every club in the world will use the same approach but don’t hold your breath waiting for it to work.

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  42. Not that I’m in favour of caving in to a players wage demands straight away (and I’m sure dekka will hassle all the way, even if we do get Ba’s contract sorted, which I doubt) but 90k isn’t that ridiculous. Ideally I’d say go for 70k, or 80 to match Colo on 5 years or so. Then fatty can keep him for 3-4 years and try and flog him to some super rich arab or chinese club.

    Thing with Ba is that in Jan he will only have a year and a half left. Cisse still has 5 years…if he didn’t want his wages like this he shouldn’t have signed up for that long on what he’s got….should have been shrewder, like Ba. As for Ben Arfa-I would equally love to sign him up to 5 years on a good packet of 70-80k, he is a quality player who will probably leave us for greater heights at some stage. As for Cabaye and Tiote? I’m not sure they’re good enough to demand “that” much more than they’re on, if I’m honest…

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  43. Problem is we have to give Ba an incentive to sign up. It’s not greed (90k is), but he has a clause which favours him, why would he sign a new contract unless there is an incentive, ie a wage increase, to sign up.

    I think we’re just going to have to put up with the circus for a couple of seasons. He’s good, but which top club would buy him? Definitely none of the top 4 in England, no CL experience i don’t think, 27 so that young, “ticking time bomb” knee. It’s not even like with Cisse – most of us in the English bubble oblivious to his talents, people have known about Ba for yonks yet still noone would even sign him on a free!
    Unless he goes abroad I can only see Spurs & Liverpool in the fray. Doubt Spurs will go for him having just signed Adebayor. Not sure about fecking Liverpool though.

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  44. @Newkie
    So important getting HBA on a long contract. It’d be win-win, either we get to see an incredible player for 5 years, or we get a shit load to hopefully spread around the squad if a bigger club comes knocking.

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  45. Solano-Agreed mate. Ashley is probably put off by fear of injury, but now that De Jong is out of the country and won’t be playing against us until we’re in the CL again, we’ve got no problems 😆

    Surprised he hasn’t tried already. We only signed him on a four and a half year deal and that was two years ago now..

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  46. As for Ba I’d be amazed if Liverpool didn’t go in for him. 7Mil will be the best value for money they’ll ever pay by how they seem to be going nowadays. The fact we only get 3.5 mil will spur them on further, I’m sure they want revenge for us selling them that pikey for 35 mil 😆

    Doubt spurs would go for him, but Chelsea could do with him imo, even if they’ll likely just buy some other superstar striker soon enough.

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  47. Newkie

    I agree that LFC will be all over Ba in January. They have probably been speaking to him for a couple of months now.

    However, knowing their luck he will move and blow out his knee within the month, ha!

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  48. The Kid-it’s probably the one thing that’s holding him back 😆 ! I mean how many of their recent transfers have worked out? Suarez….Enrique is only really hitting some form for them now.
    ..
    Imagine where we could have been with that money…

    Imagine Swansea 😯

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  50. Liverpool won’t get Ba. Liverpool couldn’t afford Carroll’s wages so they shipped him out. If Ba is after 90k per week, there is no way they can afford it unless they get back into the Champions League 😯 😆 😆 😆

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  51. Aussie I don’t think they shipped Carroll out because they couldn’t afford the wages, otherwise why did they agree the wages ?.
    I think you’ll find that he had no part to play at all in Bucks plans so why let him rot away on the bench and have no real value, oh and pay him.
    When the Hammers were prepared to pay his wages amd give him game time and makesure he has some value.

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  52. Big Dave, Liverpool were still thinking CL footy when they picked up Carroll. I have read that he is on 80k a week and due to things tightening up finacially, they didn’t want to pay for him to sit about. Carroll was being linked with a move before he had kicked a ball under Rodgers… Says to me he was one they wanted off the books. Adams was another, Joe Cole would also be one if someone would actually take him..

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  53. Prem, Liverpool are wracking up the debt so obviously they can’t afford a big wage bill. Their earning potential is 4-5 times ours but they are still suffering financially.

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  54. Aussie they wanted shot because Buck made it 100% clear that Carroll wasn’t his type of player, but for me there is a massive difference in not wanting to have an £80k player sitting on a bench wasting away and not being able to afford him, so I beg to differ, IMO liverpool have no probs payying big wages.

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  55. Liverpool turnover in 2011 = 184m – Wages for the same year – 129m.

    No need to trim wages I guess…

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  56. Aussie you originally said liverpool shipped him out because they couldn’t afford his wages, I simply said they could but that there was noway they were going to keep a player that they had invested over £35mil in to rot away on the bench and become worthless because while he is on the bench he isn’t showing owt of what he is worth.
    So by loaning him out he gets much needed game time and is in the shop window, and they get his wages paid which is the way it should be.
    I just don’t believe they can’t afford his wages, and I would bet they could afford Ba’s wages aswell.

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  57. Big Dave, look Carroll was never going to be a Rodgers type of player… but I believe he was told that some fat in the wages needed trimming. Why else would he get shot of Carroll and Adam so quickly? They are paying big wages but wether they can really afford it is another matter.

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  58. Why would he get shot of Carroll and Adams ? Maybe because he knew they wern’t his type of players and it’s pointless holding on to them if they are not going to play any part, I would also say the players wouldn’t be too pleased to waste away either, as any player worth his salt want to be playing 1st team footie.

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  59. Big Dave, So around 70% of you annual turnover being spent on wages is not a problem?? If you ran a tattoo shop and you turned over 180k a year but you spent 120k of that on staff wages would you think there was a problem? And this is before you took out overheads like equipment, rent, tax etc…
    High earners that weren’t cutting the mustard have been farmed out to lower the wage bill… once again we will have to agree to disagree………… even tho you are wrong mate 🙂

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  60. Losing Ba in Jan should be a last resort. We should aim to bring in a player with passing and vision and rotate Ba and Cisse based on form. We can let him go in the summer if a deal cant be reached. Serious clubs don’t sell their best players in Jan.

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