Fulham v Newcastle – Premier League match preview

Craven Cottage awaits
Newcastle travel to Craven Cottage tomorrow evening where they will do battle with Martin Jol’s Fulham outfit.

Jol was once favoured by fans of NUFC to take over from Chris Hughton, but it was Alan Pardew who got the job and despite the views by some fans that Jol is superior, his Fulham side sit equal on points with us and are just one place above us in the league owing to a slightly better negative goal difference.

I normally view Fulham as a team who keep a tight ship. They sneak a goal or two and try to shut up shop, but this season has been different. They’ve scored more goals than us but also conceded more goals than us but don’t let that fool you. They can give anyone a game on their day and have players who can hurt us such as Dimitar Berbatov who joined from Manchester United in the summer. The Bulgarian striker is currently top scorer at Craven Cottage with five goals.

Team news – Fulham:

Bryan Ruiz has been ruled out for four more weeks after failing to recover from a hamstring injury whilst defender Zdenek Grygera has announced his retirement after struggling to recover from an ACL rupture suffered last 13 months ago.



Kieran Richardson and Alex Kacaniklic are available after fitness issues and Brede Hangeland is available after completing a three game suspension.

Team news – Newcastle:

Ryan Taylor, Dan Gosling, Haris Vuckic, Yohan Cabaye, Gabriel Obertan and Steven Taylor are still out injured although there is better news in general with regard to more players who had been out injured. Demba Ba, Cheik Tiote and Davide Santon could all make the game after Alan Pardew admitted their withdrawal against Wigan was more a precautionary move whilst Hatem Ben Arfa could be in line for a return after missing the last few games with a hamstring injury.

Should Cheik Tiote be deemed as fit enough to play he will need to be careful as he is one yellow card away from five bookings and the automatic one game suspension earning five yellow cards warrants. Jonas Gutierrez is in the same position.

Previously…

Last season we got hammered 5-2 at Craven Cottage so I’m looking for a stark improvement on that. However it will be a tough ask as we generally don’t do terribly well at Fulham. Our last win on the banks of the River Thames came in this week five years ago courtesy of a late Joey Barton penalty.

In ten Premier League visits we’ve won down there just three times with the other seven matches at Fulham ending in home wins for the Cottagers. In total there have been 31 games played at Craven Cottage in all competitions throughout the years. Fulham have won 18 times compared to just eight victories for United.

Stats and facts:

Fulham have won five of their last six home matches against United.

However they have not won in seven games and haven’t scored in over three games.

Alan Pardew celebrates two years in charge of United this week.

Final thought:

It seems to be one step forward and two steps back this season. Granted we managed to win against Wigan but we played against ten men for the bulk of the game and I doubt it would have been as simple had we faced eleven all night, but a win is a win and we can only play what is put in front of us.

Midweek was disappointing but it was also a very different side to what we are likely to see tomorrow. The question is will they build on what they managed against Wigan last week or will they fall back in the wake of the midweek defeat to Bordeaux?

Howay the lads!

Date: Monday, 10th December, 2012

Time: 8pm – Live on Sky Sports

Venue: Craven Cottage

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121 thoughts on “Fulham v Newcastle – Premier League match preview

  1. common G2 – its not JUST down to Cisse. Its about getting the timing of runs right as well as the quality and timing of the pass (ha!) from the midfield. Its also about developing a working understanding with your team mates.
    All these elements are missing, along with constantly over-hit hoofed balls over the top which does NOTHING for Cisse really.
    Its no wonder he seems disinterested at times.
    oooh get me defending Cisse after I have slated him all season. 😯
    But there has to be more to it than loss of form and being crap (?)
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  2. “We’ve put a new resilience in the team.” β€œI don’t care if Hatem’s fit or not, he needs to come in and understand there’s a different look to the team.” What on earth is Pardew on about here? He doesn’t care if Ben Arfa is fit he will bring him in anyway? What does that mean? How will Ben Arfa take a comment like that? Sometimes I fear for Pardew’s sanity. Perhaps becoming manager of Newcastle is too much for the poor lad. πŸ˜₯

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  3. I agree BB @76there is more missing than just Cisse seeming to have lost it. Lack of creativity from the midfield even when Cabaye was in there has led to a lot of problems. And without Ben Arfa we have been lost. A lot of his creativity is wasted though because other players seem to find it difficult to anticipate his passes. Very worrying and little seems to come from Pardew that makes any sense at all.

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  4. Troy – Remember your Xmas song back in September ridiculing Curtis Good and how he would be nowhere by Xmas? 😳 😳 😳

    Curtis Good continues to impress. He was β€˜exceptional’ last night for #bcafc, according to boss Phil Parkinson. #nufc
    Parkinson added: β€œCurtis has been outstanding since he’s been with us. β€œHe’s been a credit to Alan Pardew and Newcastle. He’s going to be a very good player and we’ll enjoy working with him for the rest of his time here.”
    πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜†

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  5. I will say it and say it again. The key tonight is our defence and whether they wise up to the need to man mark shirt tight in the middle in the box where it counts. I can’t see it happening unfortunately.

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  6. B and b, well done to good, genuinely happy he’s starting to find his feet. but that’s an embarrasassment to say that’s proof troy was wrong. i was an optimist and thought he may feature in Europe or cups, impressing in league 2 literally provides no help in an area that was in desperate need.

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    @Trumpet

    Don’t worry fella. It’s another misquote from B&B trying his best to get one on me because I’ve been ridiculing him about naming a manager to replace Pardew. He states there would be loads of top level managers prepared to walk over coals and work under Ashley. It’s been a week and a day and he still hasn’t named one. πŸ˜›

    @B&B

    Please tell me where I said Good would be nowhere by Xmas? 😯

    I have never said such a thing. Nothing close to it.
    I’ve only ridiculed you about stating he may be the best CB at the Toon by Xmas.
    That means he may be better than Colo. πŸ˜›

    You really are struggling and don’t forget B&B, all these posts are being kept. πŸ˜‰

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  8. Troy – I’ve told you why I’m not naming any. You on the other hand are not giving any reasons. You avoid supporting your statement. You said there were hundreds of top managers out there but Ashley would put them off. Names please! Waiting …. 😎

    Strumpo – Welcome back. I said Good could be decent cover for Colo and Sayls. Troy wasn’t having it. Good came at the same time as Bigi but neither registered on Troy’s radar. I thought Bigi, Amal and Good might do a job. I certainly wasn’t writing off all three like Troy was. The reason I mentioned Xmas was that we don’t know anything about Good so FOR ALL WE KNOW he could be the best centre back by Xmas, who knows? It was a throw away remark to make a point. Unfortunately, Troy likes to get his mileage out of such things. The way its going with Good, and the crap performances of Sayls, Colo, Willo and Perch, its not looking so daft. πŸ˜† πŸ˜†

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  9. B+B 😳 your not claiming you called it right on Good are ye ? you were talking about him being part of our 1st team not Bradfords πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜†

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  10. Dave – Talk in last week for a select few box owners; about 100 fans in all.

    Pardew went absolutely ballistic, spat the dummy out, swore, and refused to answer any more questions πŸ‘Ώ after someone had the temerity to say that long term contracts breed complacency, the team and manager appear to be complacent, and to ask Llambias whether there is any get out clause in Pardew’s contract. 😯 Good on Pardew for showing so much passion! The pressure’s getting to him though! 😯

    Llambias confirmed there were absolutely no get out clauses and the future success of the club is down to long term stability.

    HBA and Ba love NUFC and are extremely happy here. If they stay, it will be because the fans show so much apreciation for them. Llambias praised Ba because he negotiates such a tough contract and it is by no means certain that NUFC can meet his demands in January.

    HBA was impressed beyond belief that Llambias and Ashley visited him in hospital in France after his operation in Manchester went wrong.

    They intend to appoint a new PR man from the US after Xmas. It’s not Beckham. They said the communication with the fans had got out of hand when Mort was here and Mike and Mort would meet the fans in pubs. It all turned sour.

    Llambias re-itterated that they would not pay over the odds for players. They were delighted to get Anita. It was a difficult task to prise such a player away from a club like Ajax. It took an enormous amount of time and effort as many such transfers do. The fans under-estimate the size of the task.

    My mate was very impressed with what he heard from the regime, which was entirely reasonable.

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  11. Dave – I just wasn’t writing off Good for this season, just like I wasn’t writing off Bigi.

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  12. Eh up, Pardew’s on!

    We’ve got a re-newed energy back, πŸ˜† senior players playing at a new level, πŸ˜† only really missing Cabaye πŸ™ (So sayls is no miss). πŸ˜† πŸ˜†

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  13. @ 86 B&B
    I thought the same, however I think the fact that he is playing for Bradford when we know have Colo and Willo as our only recognised centre backs shows that i got it wrong!

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    @B&B

    Your statement that Good might be the best CB at the club by Xmas was now a throw away comment. πŸ˜›

    I asked you to clarify that point when you said it but you wouldn’t answer.

    Weeks later when confronted with it, you said you never said such a thing. You stated that you had said, he may be a decent stand in if Colo and Tayls got injured. I went through all your posts to prove you hadn’t said such a thing.

    It’s a good job it’s all written down. You certainly didn’t say it was a throw away comment at the time you made it. . You didn’t even answer me. πŸ˜›

    There is a pattern emerging here. πŸ˜›

    Questions not answered. πŸ˜›

    So please tell me where I’ve said Good will be nowhere by Xmas. The only thing I’ve said, is he won’t be the best CB at the club by Xmas. πŸ˜‰

    Mind, playing well at Bradford City in league 2 is lower than I expected 😯 😯 😯

    I was hoping he would be knocking on our first team door. πŸ™‚

    Regarding naming managers willing to take over from Pards. You really don’t understand how deep your hole is that you’ve dug. πŸ˜› 😳

    We asked you the question because you said there would be loads of top level managers who would walk over hot coals to manage us whilst Ashley was here. We asked you to name one.
    You say you haven’t got the knowledge to think of one. (Well I gathered that a long time ago but I thought I would give you a chance) πŸ˜›

    All I’ve said there are hundreds of top managers out there but they would not come here whilst Ashley is in charge.

    I’ve gave up on you naming some. I have no issue naming the following.

    Realistic Top managers to me are Redknapp, , Wenger, Hiddink, Moyes. – none of these would join Newcastle.

    So go ahead and name some top level managers you believe would join us. πŸ˜‰

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  15. Troy,

    What is the reason those managers wouldn’t come to us? It is not Ashley, it is just that we are not a Champions League club and we don’t have the money of the super rich. Wenger, Hiddinck, Moyes would only move to clubs with one or both of the above. If Newcastle was in London or Portsmouth, and Ashley owned us down there, Redknapp would have been here in a shot, recently.

    Any good manager, that recognizes that loads of money isn’t just going to be thrown at the problem would come here. We actually have some pretty good players, who should be playing better and in a better formation than have been doing recently- certainly keeping the ball better. Good managers would see that and think they could improve us and thus get us in and around the Champions League places, which would either lead to more money, or a good window for them to move on somewhere else.

    Just a few pre-match thoughts.

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    @Lionel Speed

    I don’t see how anything has changed since we last tried to get a decent manager. It was an embarrassment to the club.

    The trouble with us, are the high expectations of the fans, understandably, but the balancing of the books policy by Ashley.

    I simply don’t see any top level manager wanting to work under Ashley. It’s a poisoned chalice in the current situation.

    Who do you believe would join us if Pardew was sacked or resigned tomorrow?

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  17. Lionel Speed – You’re exactly right. Troy says there are hundreds of top managers out there who would come if it weren’t for Ashley. He names “Redknapp, , Wenger, Hiddink, Moyes” WOOOOOOO HOOOOO! πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜† No wonder you wouldn’t answer! πŸ˜† πŸ˜† Priceless!

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    @Lionel Speed

    I agree. I’m lost what you mean? I know we aren’t a champions league club. We won’t be under Ashley.

    My point is, we have Ashley. That is our current situation.

    It was B &B who suggested we could attract top managers not me whilst Ashley is here πŸ˜‰

    He just asked me to name top managers. πŸ™„

    He stated that under Ashley, there would be loads of top level managers who would manage us if Pards resigned tomorrow as he wishes.

    I named those type of managers as those are the level we’ve achieved in the past. KK, Dalglish, Bobby Robson.

    Morinho, Guardiola, Fergie are way beyond our dreams.

    I don’t believe that’s a hard concept to understand.

    So B&B. I’ve gave my answer, Lionel has agreed. What is your list. πŸ˜‰

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    @Lionel

    Just to point out. I’m fully aware Newcastle aren’t in London. But if we were like you mention, I might have a different opinion. πŸ˜‰

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    Ha! I’ve had a drink tonight and re read Lionel’s post. Absolute classic. πŸ˜›

    You are actually stating that good managers would come to newcastle under the present regime.

    Please help B&B out with some names.

    We’ve been waiting a week for these top level managers who would walk over hot coals to manage us if Pards resigned.

    πŸ™„ πŸ™„

    I’m waiting πŸ˜›

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  21. Troy – Least you say the better. I thought you must have had a drink to let your guard down as badly as that. Moyes and Wenger! WOOO HOOO πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜† “Arsene, forget about Arsenal”. Come to Newcastle and manage a good team. Bring Moyes as your assistant.” Wooo HOO! πŸ˜†

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    @B&B

    You asked me to name top managers? That’s what they are. 😯

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    @B&B

    Do you realise how daft your question was when you asked me to name top managers?

    Explain to me what you meant by naming top managers?

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  24. Troy – I have been asking you repeatedly to name the names of the hundreds of top managers that would come to the club if Ashley wasn’t here. You would not do it because you realised you’d boobed. Eventually, having had a drink, you let your guard down and state:

    “All I’ve said there are hundreds of top managers out there but they would not come here whilst Ashley is in charge.

    I’ve gave up on you naming some. I have no issue naming the following.

    Realistic Top managers to me are Redknapp, , Wenger, Hiddink, Moyes. – none of these would join Newcastle.”

    You still want to try and talk your way out of it! What is the point or relevance to any discussion, let alone this one, of providing a list of top managers? If all you were doing was providing a list of top managers, where is Ferguson?

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    The below are our recent text exchanges. Please note the post directed at Mark where YOU originally picked up the hook.

    @B&B

    Text From Troy

    Are you gonna answer on the blog. This is brilliant banter
    I can’t think of a top level manager to replace Pards. You say there are loads who would walk over coals who have proven track records.
    Unless I get some names I won’t know. Can you assist πŸ˜‰

    Text Reply By B&B

    You don’t need to worry about it. The club’s work full time with agents and back rooms to do that. It is very difficult to know who is available. It needs a two week search by an HR team to draw up a short list. Relax.

    Text by Troy

    You gonna answer what you believe I meant when I said there are hundreds of top managers out there.

    Take into account the original post I said it on and what it was in response to. I’m waiting . πŸ˜‰

    Reply by B&B

    That has never been in doubt. There are hundreds of top managers that NUFC could attract if it weren’t for ashley. You said you couldn’t name them because it was hypothetical. Then you come out with moyes and wenger! Classic!=))

    Text by Troy

    Yeah. That’s what I kept saying. I couldn’t name them. The names given are top managers. I want you now to name one manager you think would walk over coals. Do you realise how bad you’ve come across on the blog?

    Text by B&B

    You just resort to lying. Who asked about or what is the point of naming top managers? We were talking about top managers who we could get if it weren’t for ashley. If I could get the computer from alison on facebook I’d show it. You’re pissed!
    You can’t follow a logical thread when you’re sober. What chance when you’re pissed!? You’ve drank so many bottles of wine over the years, your brain’s pickled!

    Text by Troy

    I love it. You’ve lost half the blog off with your past debate and you blame me. I like it. Ha.
    You tell blatant lies about what I said about Good and don’t respond. ha.
    You then suggest we were talking about top managers who could take over if Ashley wasn’t here.

    Please read the following post;

    @Mark
    There are plenty of good managers out there, its whether they want to commit career suicide with us. I don’t believe anything has changed since a we last looked for a manager 2 years ago.
    B&B seems to think different but doesn’t evidence it.
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    That was the post you picked up on.
    ——————–
    You then go on to pursue this and keep demanding who the top managers are that I’m referring to.

    All I’ve done is state there are top managers out there, obviously there are, but no top manager will entertain us in the current situation.
    Nothing about if Ashley wasn’t there.

    How can anyone judge what manager we could get if Ashley wasn’t there unless you knew who was in charge and what their wealth and ideals were.?

    Please don’t text but write everything on the blog on the now defunct thread we’ve been on, so we’ve got a record.

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    @B&B

    Please tell me how you interpret this paragraph?

    β€œAll I’ve said there are hundreds of top managers out there but they would not come here whilst Ashley is in charge.

    Take it into context of all the posts we’ve exchanged.

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  27. Troy
    What is all that shite @ 105? Just answer 104 directly and not a whole tome of shite that’s meaningless drunken drivel.

    As for Good, I’ll come back to you separately on it.

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  28. Troy @ 106: You’ve just said by text in answer to my statement that you said there’s hundreds out there we could get if it wasn’t for ashley: “I never once said we could get hundreds.” 😯 Then you kindly provide me @ 106 with the quote I’m referring to β€œAll I’ve said there are hundreds of top managers out there but they would not come here whilst Ashley is in charge.” 😳

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  29. I didn’t watch the match as is a 4am match for me. πŸ˜•

    Did Jonas play as winger again?? In my opinion he should be station in midfield than out wide player.

    Always sad to see newcastle lose, but i gonna trust pardew one last time and hope that genuinely there are really new players coming in by Jan.

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  30. B&B

    To clarify;

    You picked up on this post;

    @Mark
    There are plenty of good managers out there, its whether they want to commit career suicide with us. I don’t believe anything has changed since a we last looked for a manager 2 years ago.
    B&B seems to think different but doesn’t evidence it.

    You then started asking me to name those managers I’m referring to.

    I refuse because I’ve already asked you to name those that would currently walk over coals to manage us whilst Ashley is there.

    You won’t let this lie and continue to play on it and state its just as relevant for me to name the top managers I’ve referred to, as it is for you to name them.

    All I’m doing in context with the posts that are being discussed with Mark is, there are top managers out there but won’t come under Ashley’s reign.

    That’s all I’ve maintained from the outset.

    The text you are quoting is your text you buffoon! πŸ™„

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  31. In answer to your rant @ 93: I have already given you a massive document answering all your charges on Curtis Good and you had no answer. I will send it to you again if you wish.

    You say β€œI went through all your posts to prove you hadn’t said such a thing.”
    YOU DO NOT THINK IT IS FAIR OR REASONABLE FOR SOMEONE TO PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THEIR POSITION WHEN ASKED OR CRITICISED ABOUT IT? THAT IS ALL I DID. I DID NOT RE-WRITE HISTORY AS YOU DO.

    You ask, β€œSo please tell me where I’ve said Good will be nowhere by Xmas. The only thing I’ve said, is he won’t be the best CB at the club by Xmas. ” I SAID WE HAD SIGNED A CB, EVEN THOUGH YOU SAID WE HADN’T. I SAID WE DIDN’T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT HIM SO WHY SAY HE WON’T GET NEAR THE FIRST TEAM, BIGI HAS. TO MAKE THE POINT ABOUT NOT KNWOING ANYTHING ABOUT HIM I MADE THE REMARK β€œyou might be saying by Christmas he’s the best centre back in the club”.

    I never said β€œI am claiming he β€œmay well be” the best CB”. There is a big difference. I don’t know very much about him to predict how well he will perform, other than the good reports in the press; the fact he is part of Mikey’s plan to have a clear out and get in good new talent; and the fact he comes under Graham Carr’s tenure. The simple point I was trying to make was that he seems to have gone completely under your radar as a possibility, and neither of us knows how good he is.

    You have gone on to ridicule that statement in a Xmas poem which indicates that you believe Good will be nowhere this season, let alone by Xmas!

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    God you are mind blowing.

    I don’t have numbers next to my posts as its on my mobile so its no good referring to post numbers.

    Can you not grasp a simple matter? All I’ve stated from the outset is there are obviously many good managers, later, having been hounded by you, I state there are hundreds of good managers, but none willing to come to us whilst Ashley is here.

    What part of that do you not understand?

    I could not understand why you kept asking me to name good managers as it would prove zilch. But you kept asking and in an effort to commit you to answering the original question, I named good managers with no relevance.

    To this time, I still don’t understand your crazy logic. πŸ™„

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  33. Troy : You need a lie down. You’ll cringe in the morning when you rush to check how badly you’ve let your guard down.

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    Oh my god. You are bonkers! I’ve gave you that in the file of evidence about Good! That is the most embarrassing thing I’ve ever seen.

    Got to go. You are seriously mental.

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    I vow never to debate anything again with you.

    I seriously believe you are twisted.

    You crack on with the bloggers. Good luck. πŸ˜‰

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  36. Troy – You want to give in the drink and your mobile! 😯 Crazy f*&^% logic! πŸ™„

    You’re not seriously trying to slide out like that, are you? It goes like this, make no mistake:

    1) Your whole point has been Pardew is the best we can get under Ashley.

    2) There are hundreds of good managers but none of them is willing to come to us under Ashley.

    3) My whole point has been there are plenty of managers in the world who are better than Pards and would come. Logic says there’s got to be better than Pards.

    4) You hound me to name them.

    5) I explain that I haven’t looked into names and bet fellow bloggers could come up with a few. Ashley himself should spend a long time and do his research and due diligence so why would I answer that.

    6) You keep on and on. So I say the question applies equally to you. Who are the hundreds of top managers you say we could get if it weren’t for Ashley? You weren’t expecting that.

    7) Time and again you refused to answer, just like the other questions you won’t answer on where you ranked the squad that Ashley had provided. Still waiting for that just as months down the line I’m still waiting on wage caps.

    8) After having a drink, you give examples as Moyes and Wenger πŸ˜† πŸ˜† β€œAll I’ve said there are hundreds of top managers out there but they would not come here whilst Ashley is in charge.

    I’ve gave up on you naming some. I have no issue naming the following.

    Realistic Top managers to me are Redknapp, , Wenger, Hiddink, Moyes. – none of these would join Newcastle.”

    9) You now deny you were talking about managers who would come here if Ashley was in charge but just any old top manager! πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜†

    You absolute prize buffoon! πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜†

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    @B&B

    No. This is my argument;

    1) My whole point has been Pardew is the best we can get under Ashley. I see no logic in sacking him now. The reason I say this, a few years ago the club were in turmoil and tried to appoint a manager. We ended up being the laughing stock as we failed to attract one. Harry Redknapp being one who knocked us back. Hughton ended up getting it almost by default. He was sacked following a relatively successful period and Pardew appointed. Certainly not a top level manager, he was in fact on the scrap heap in management terms when given the post.
    That was Ashley’s decision. I see no reason, as evidence suggests, that a top manager would work under Ashley’s transfer policy. 😎

    2) In addition and to clarify, There are hundreds of good managers but none of them is willing to come to us under Ashley. πŸ˜₯

    3) Myself and others made the point to sack Ashley now would be ludicrous. The only person countering our points of view for 24 hrs was you.
    After 24 hrs you announce you never said you wanted him sacked now. This despite me accusing you of it during the debate, not denying but countering the accusation. 😳

    4) Your whole point has been there are plenty of managers in the world who are better than Pards and would come. Logic says there’s got to be better than Pards. πŸ˜•

    5) Not once have you evidenced your viewpoint that they would come. Why would they come? Based on what? Why didn’t they come last time ❓ ?

    6) Not only me, but several others hound you to name them. πŸ˜›

    7) You explain that you haven’t looked into names and bet fellow bloggers could come up with a few. Ashley himself should spend a long time and do his research and due diligence. πŸ™„

    8) The bloggers ridicule you for almost a week and number 7 was your best response. πŸ˜› 😳 πŸ˜›

    9) The best names to come up so far by the bloggers are Martinez & Lee Clark. You aren’t committed to either, other than to say they couldn’t do any worse. 😯 😯

    10) I post a reply to Mark, and state there are hundreds of good managers out there but none willing to work under Ashley. You in a desperate attempt to turn things, but seen by all the bloggers, latch onto my post and ask me who these good managers are. You pursue this line for days. I could not see the logic in your question. We all know who good managers are.
    You ask Dave the same question and those that challenge you to name a manager that you suggest would walk over hot coals to manage us.

    11) The blog becomes like Dragons Den, as blogger after blogger realise they are talking to a buffoon, announce, “I’m out”. πŸ˜› πŸ˜›

    12) Over a week has gone by and my point of view has not changed. After giving up on you naming a top manager with a proven track record who would walk over hot coals to manage us under Ashley and constant squirming by you, for me to name a top manager, i state in a post last night;

    “I’ve gave up on you naming some. I have no issue naming the following;
    Realistic Top managers to me are Redknapp, , Wenger, Hiddink, Moyes. – none of these would join Newcastle.”

    13) From this post, in desperation to save face, you state – “you now deny you were talking about managers who would come here if Ashley was in charge but just any old top manager!”

    14) No. For some unknown reason, logic defies it, you pursue a question for over a week for me to name a top manager. The reason I chose the above names were realistic names that knowing our history, they are the best calibre of managers we have attracted. We’ve never had the best managers in the world but certainly had the next tier down in the form of Keegan and Robson. I rate the managers above in that category.
    Fergie would only ever entertain a club like Real or Man Utd.

    15) You pursued a hypothetical question and you got a hypothetical answer. ;-).

    16) You claim, – I havent answered where I. ranked the squad that Ashley had provided. Still waiting for that just as months down the line I’m still waiting on wage caps. πŸ™„

    17) I continuously point out this fault to you but you never learn. I ask a question then you respond with a question. It’s very embarrassing.
    The wage caps one was a side issue which you tried to use to divert the pressure heaped on you by the Andy Carroll debate. You embarrassed yourself with that and I’m surprised you dare being it up again πŸ˜‰ πŸ˜› πŸ˜› 😳

    The ranking of the squad question, was used exactly for the same purpose. Diversionary tactics.

    18) Its an absolute lame question that can only be answered if research is done. That means totting up all the transfer values of each squad member from each club.

    My guess is somewhere around 7th or 8th in the league. The purpose of the question is what?
    At the time of asking we were round mid table having played a third of the season? I’m absolutely lost on the lameness of the question. πŸ™„

    19) Finally, it is not me who fooled everyone into believing you wanted him sacked now, but later state you only want him to resign and not sacked, but expect him to be sacked within the career average of a manager of 2.13 yrs, (which incidentally will be next month), dont see him getting us out this mess, but would rather wait and take a risk in case you are wrong. Of course it could be too late by then.
    That is really believing in your judgement that B&B. like Mark said, ” You will feel good when you say I told you so”. You can’t lose either way in your eyes can you? We can all see you sitting in the fence with a spelk the size of Jabba’s wallet sticking up your arse. πŸ˜› πŸ˜› πŸ˜› πŸ˜›

    Oh, but if you were the owner with Β£20bn you would sack him now! Woohoo hooo hoo hoo

    Priceless! πŸ˜› razz: πŸ˜›

    You absolute prize buffoon! πŸ˜›

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    Regarding your Curtis Good post above. That will be added to the file of evidence. πŸ˜›

    I sometimes wonder how you manage to find your way out your garden. πŸ™„

    Wow! 😳 😳

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  39. Troy for your own sanity I think it’s time to declare yourself out.
    It’s obvious that even though B+B states that there is loads of top managers that would walk over hot coals to take the Toon job, that he can’t really believe that or he could easily throw one name in a hat that would take the job, but oh no he would rather bring up 2 names that other people mention ( Martinez and Clark ) then say’s that they’re not his choice so why name them when asked 😯 😳

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    Dave,

    He won’t see it. He’ll be adamant he’s in the right. He doesn’t realise how embarrassing its looked for him not to name a manager. πŸ™„

    It’s worrying as he’s my brother. 😯

    The only saving grace is that he is a goldfish and he won’t remember any of it tomorrow. πŸ˜›

    He’ll be back on asking the same questions as if they are new ones! πŸ˜›

    In the words of Hilary Devay ” I’m out”. πŸ˜‰

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