A sign of desire?

Scenes of celebration after another late show
Scenes of celebration after another late show
We seem to be getting used to late shows as fans of United. Papiss Cisse’s winner against Fulham was just another addition to the list of late shows we’ve witnessed in recent weeks.

To expand on that, we beat Anzhi with a stoppage time goal, Stoke suffered the same fate as did Chelsea and, earlier on in the season, West Brom.

That’s five games that have been won beyond the 90th minute so far this season. Ideally I’d prefer it if we could get things done before the final few seconds. If we could then my backside probably wouldn’t have nipped so many holes in my sofa, which is a thought you probably could do without on a Tuesday. However doing it easy wouldn’t be the United way…

The question is, is this something to be lauded? Does this startling fact typify a never say die attitude amongst our players? Are our French foreign legion tougher than the average opposing fan would like to think? I mean if you listen to the stereotype these players should give up rather than fight back, right?

To put things in perspective, we’ve gained an extra eight points in stoppage time since the start of February and we’ve also got into the Europa League Quarter Final as a result of another late goal. Could you imagine where we would have been without them?

So are they a symbol of a spirit within the camp or are they covering up things that should have been rectified earlier on in the game? Personally I think it’s a bit of both but, in a perverse kind of way, you can’t help but love the scenes that these late strikes conjure up. The celebrations against Fulham showed that and showed just how much the players and Pardew actually care about things.

I’ve not done much research into this and I could be wrong, but I’m struggling to remember so many late goals in our favour. They just never generally seemed to happen for us. Now though it seems to be different and we can head into injury time safe in the knowledge that the players aren’t already in the dressing room.

Having said that, I don’t think my heart can take many more of them!

About toonsy

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150 thoughts on “A sign of desire?

  1. Good read 😉 yeah we do seem to be winning more games in the dying moments this season, which I would agree that that sugests that we sometimes have a never say die attitude.
    Yeah it’s not good for the old ticker but it gives the heart a good workout.

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  2. Also normally when we play I expext a a win when we get to half time at all square I then expect us to come out fighting and get a goal within the 1st 15mins then when that doesn’t happen I start to worry abit then start to think well if we get the draw it will give us a point.
    But then comes the last 5 – 10 mins I then start to dread a late sucker punch and praying that we get the draw, so when the last minute winner comes it is so much sweeter when i’ve went from expecting the win, accepting a draw, praying for a draw, to dreading a last minute loss.
    Fuk how life as a toon fans is just like a roller coaster.

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  3. I’d take being 1-0 up until the 93rd minute on Thursday then Pappis smashing one into the top corner!

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  4. @Bigdave – exactly my thoughts, I spend the last 15 mins or so thinking oh fook, we’re gonna concede which makes a last minute winner all the sweeter

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  5. I’ve learnt to stay reasonably calm thru out games now days. Too many late losses over the years have made me a bit hesitant to celebrate too hard until the final whistle. But I do get excited by late goals in our favour don’t get me wrong 🙂 🙂

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  6. Stu I know we didn’t get the result we wanted last thurs but I couldn’t help thinking how jealous I was of you as that game and just the occasion and everything about it proved to me just how much you miss Euro games even if it is the EL. As even Gus Poyet was at a loss as to why the EPL teams and fans don’t embrace it more as all other countries do

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  7. I am not sure about desire and our late wins because we have lost too many games with out much fight this season.

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  8. One thing I do think is we have a group of really determined players. Counts for a lot. Whether that’s desire Toonsy, I’m not sure but they sure as hell don’t want to be playing in the coca cola.

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  9. Call me a pessimist, yet I am not confident I will ever see Newcastle achieve anything in my lifetime of note.

    If we go through the season, stay out f trouble and produce a few magical moments then I am happy. Moments like the 4-4 against Arsenal…those sorts of feelings are what it’s all about if you support a team like ours who never win anything. So aye, I prefer last minute goals.

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  10. I think that is the big difference between this side and the one that got relegated to be honest.
    I know Cisse frustrates Pardew and he said that he was showing him footage of a missed chance or pass he should have made in the first half, but he never takes him off. Whenever Pards makes that sub it’s not Cisse and that’s probably because he knows the lad never gives up and is capable of that last minute winner.

    Whilst its great to see that level of commitment until the final whistle, I’d still love to see a little more urgency early on as well though. It was there against Benfica but against Man City and Fulham not so much. I understand that there will be periods of a game that the opposition will take control but at times in games I think we need to make more effort to dictate how games go, we have the plays capable of doing that IMO

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  11. Dave – Days like that make me annoyed that we aren’t in Europe more often these days. I know some games are a chew on but when you get to the QF stage it’s all worth it – as when you get here you’re in with a real chance of winning.

    It will be hard for us to win from this stage but I think if we’re winning 1-0 with 20 mins left we have a real chance.

    I actually think if we do get through on Thursday we will go on and win it – we will have nothing to fear at all.

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  12. Moreno,
    What do you mean. We won the Inter Toto Cup and the FA Championship. That’s more than most clubs 😉

    Ps. I couldn’t possibly call you a pessimist when you think so highly of Shola. 😆

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  13. Good article Toonsy, last minute goals are the best part of being a fan, when you think back to the truly great games (the ones that were close NOT 6-1 Manchester derby/5-1 Tyne-wear derby or 5-0 NU v MU) the Arsenal comeback with tiote’s late equaliser, the entertainers v Liverpool ect last minute goals are those that are remembered. It may be painful but that’s the best part of sport, the angst, the anticipation, and then finally the joy.

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  14. Moreno, knowing my luck Newcastle will win he premier league the year after I die. So as long as you out live me you’ll be right.

    But I was there on the terraces (standing room only) to cheer the lads against Ujpest Dosza, so maybe that’s as much as I’m going to get.

    Mind you,I have a more magical moment in my memory locker: the first game I ever saw. Walking up all those steps at the Gallowgate End in 1965 and coming out at the top and seeing the pure green of the pitch, ****! One of the best memories of my 58 years on this earth that one.

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  15. On a side note I haven’t seen anyone talk about it but wasn’t M’bengue supposed to be at St James’ Park to watch the game? If that doesn’t make him want to sign then we don’t want him, absolutely incredible from a neutral to see the sheer dedication of the side and the adoration of the fans to the players.

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  16. I like M’bengue as a player, but I don’t really see the need. Apparently he’s a toon fan (or, at least, a toon enthusiast), but we already have Santon/Haidara competing for LB berths.

    Unless the plan is for Santon to leave, or become Debuchy’s backup.

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  17. Moreno – in fairness the same could be said about many sides, but that’s what makes us fans and not glory hunters mate 😉

    Andy – you’re right there mate, any player who is considering a move to the toon in the summer should be shown that game. If M’Bengue was at SJP on Sunday tho I bet he told his agent to get a move sorted!.
    I see Pieters has been linked with a summer move to Stoke in the papers today as well. Wonder if he’s still on our list or if that ones dead now.

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  18. Good article Toonsy ,Yeah I posted yesterday about how many late ones Cisse has provided and Sissoko has done a 89th min goal too 😀 😎 . Idealy we’d get the game put to bed early on but I do like the passion of a late goal especially when it means the opposition have naff all chance of equalizing :mrgreen: 😈 😆

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  19. A strange one. Many and myself have at times thought how much slower we have looked compared to other teams. Stamina doesn’t appear a problem going by the late goals. Has to be something to do with training methods? If you’ve seen my waist line you would guess I am no expert on training methods

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  20. Brisvegas
    Was Jim Iley playing that day.
    He was captain at my first ever game and I have never forgotten his name despite my ageing years

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  21. On the issue of desire ,I think it does show it ,well from Cisse certainly. I think it bothers him a lot when he’s not scoring ,as it should and he does appear to keep going until the bitter end and never hides no matter how many times he’s previously fluffed it in front of goal. I thought against Benfica it was more a case of the stuffing being knocked out of us by them two silly errors having got the early away goal and so many missed chances like. Really feel if we can keep a clean sheet on thursday we are more than capable of getting a couple of goals against them and getting to the semi finals would set us up a treat for the Scum game. On the other hand lose badly and they will be gutted and tired as well, not good preperation for the Derby.

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  22. Good memories guys. I’m the same as Moreno really but obviously better lookimg and more well endowed 😆

    But anyway yeah, in my lifetime weve done nothing of note really. 31 years have been split bobbing berween the first and second division with not a lot else to cheer about apart from one title challenge (1996/1997 was settled way before it became mathematically impossible), a few seasons in Europe and a couple of FA Cup final losses.

    The competition the way things are mean its unlikely that we’ll see thr same unless we get a multi billionaire arab owner but I think even that ship has sailed so as long as we have moments to cherish im happy. Some will say I’m just settling for mediocrity and have no ambition but really I’m just following our long term trend from my lifetime.

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  23. Stu – Haha I knew you’d bite! 😆

    Think about it though, what is realistically open to us? Going for 4th place? 6th? That’s hardly anything to shout about is it? It’s deemed as success because of how uncompetitive the top of the league is these days and we missed our chance to get into that top echelon and establish ourselves nearly 20 years ago now.

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  24. Blimey look at all the oldies feeling sorry for themselves, surely it’s not because old maggie has popped her clogs and you’re about the same age? 😆

    I see no reason we can’t win a trophy, it just won’t be the PL or the CL-not for about 40 years anyway. You only have to look at Swansea and see how flukey they were to get gifted a few goals against Chelsea and end up playing in a final against bradford for god sake, surely we’re due some of that…I’ll take that luck for the Europa this year. If we beat benfica, benny comes back on the weekend and we keep our current crop of players fit I see no reason why we should be afraid. The only difference between us and Spurs was gareth bale. Chelsea edged us 2-1 in a game where we were poor and when all our players were *****, and when our manager refused to play anything but 4-4-2 or something like that… 😉

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  25. Toonsy @25

    we had a shot 10 or so years ago. Successive CL qualifications. We were the 4th biggest club pre-Roman, pre-Abu Dhabi and before Levy established himself at Spurs (what a good job he’s done by the way). Now we’re 7th biggest (yes we are, i know Everton outperform us but we are)… and the gaps are widening

    Our recruitment the season after we finished 3rd (Bowyer and only Bowyer!) and choosing Souness to succeed Robson the following year are the main reasons we fell away… (the creaking financial house-of-cards in the background the ‘200 pound gorilla in the room’)

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  26. Toonsy – For me its baby steps, although we missed a ridiculous opportunity to go another couple of steps forward in the summer. Top 4 MUST be our aim, from there we can build again – with the money generated from that and the exposure it brings the club could really go forward on and off the pitch. After that, who knows, but we’d have a better chance of winning a cup.

    I honestly believe we are maybe only two or three quality players away from having a team capable of finishing in the top four. It’s been a while since we’ve had players of the ability of Cisse, Marveaux, Cabaye, HBA, Debuchy, Sissoko, Colo and Mbiwa in the team with Anita, Tiote, Gouffran and Jonas in the background.

    I am excited about next season – especially if we had to the squad and don’t let good players go.

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  27. M totally agree we are 7th biggest and in the top 20 in Europe. So regular Europa football is a realistic target, and if combined with some domestic cup success we can take advantage of anybody in the top 6 under-performing. The problem at the moment is that they still have the finances to buy their way back up. But Liverpool are wasting their money and Spurs look like too much of a one man band. With Dekka managing the finances anything is possible :mrgreen:

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  28. How different would our outlook be if we had won just one of those FA cup finals.

    I doubt we will win the league anytime some but either the FA Cup or the Capital One Cup are possible to win Just look at Swansea Pompey Birmingham. Even Millwall or Wigan have a good chance of winning it this year. You never know when we might actually get a decent cup run going.

    I said the other day how ironic it is that our team of frenchies have become the last minute winner kings.

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  29. It doesn’t really bother me if we don’t actually win anything. All I want is that in every game we play we’re competitive and have a chance of winning. That normally guarantees you’re near the top of the league anyway. But win – not many geordies remember what that means.

    What really does get me though is what will happen to the team when I die.

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  30. Stu –

    “Toonsy – For me its baby steps, although we missed a ridiculous opportunity to go another couple of steps forward in the summer. Top 4 MUST be our aim, from there we can build again”

    There some baby steps mate, considering we are only 5 points from a relegation spot. All this talk of 7th biggest – 20th in Europe….. Bloody hell that win against Fulham has certainly inspired some hasn’t it?! 😆
    How about just a little bit of consistency for now. Establish ourselves as a top 8 side in the EPL and have a couple of good cup runs, improve our squad and then look to mount a challenge on the top 4 spots.

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  31. I think the CL is a realistic option for the club in teh next 5 years. I say that because of Spurs being able to do it. They aren’t signficantly bigger than us but did it with smart buys and smart sales. Our club has shown the ability to do both. All you have to do is get in once and make a decent run to collect the prize money, then invest and it can become a habit.

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  32. SHARPY17
    April 9, 2013 at 15:40

    They aren’t big baby steps. We put ourselves in a great position at the end of last season to build, but we didn’t. Look at the players we have. Why shouldn’t we be aiming for top 4?

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  33. I have to agree last season WAS the perfect time to build upon our success however flukey some may see it. Had Jabba brought in the calibre of player he got us in the january sales who knows where we may be now ,I would hazard a guess a lot higher than we currently sit ,but I guess we’ll never know. I don’t think I have ever gotten over us throwing the title away to the Mancs but finishing 2nd twice and the high finishes under Sir Bobby was a real achievement in my book.When you consider we didn’t have the financial clout of the Mancs , Dippers or the Stars of Arsenal it was a **** good attempt at breaking the monopoly of the usual suspects. Still think if Jabba shows some balls and gets some top quality in we could do great stuff again . I also think when SAF retires there could be a period of instability at Old Trafford depending on who they appoint to succeed him, but whom ever takes over they won’t have the Fergie effect ,on refs in particular 😉 .

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  34. Sharpy to deny that we are 7th biggest etc is to deny facts. In terms of our financial resources that is correct. We are.

    Stuart to claim that we should be aiming for top 4 is unrealistic we have 3 much bigger clubs in terms of finances all of which have to fail for us to come 4th. The team we had last year came 5th and this season we will be lucky to be top 10. To assume that our current squad with one decent window will be a regular top 4 challenger is deluded in my opinion. Europa league yes. Champions league we lost that years ago when SBR left.

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  35. MDS – The fact is that Spurs are far better off finically than we are. They can afford to pay higher wages and thus attract better players. The other thing about them is that they have the draw of being a London based club. As a Northern club we are on the wrong side of the compass for some players and sponsors.
    As for Spurs smart buys and sales. They sold Berbatov, Keane and Modric for big money – smart sales indeed. But could you imagine the reaction of the toon fans if we sold Cabaye, Ben Arfa and Cisse?!, the club would be slated for having no ambition.
    This is how I don’t understand other fans calling us a selling club – when you look at the players Spurs and Arsenal have sold between them and really we have only sold Andy Carroll – for £35m!!.

    The problem with CL spots is there are only 4 places up for grabs. When you have teams like Man U, Man City and Chelsea THAT rich then there is only really 1 spot to play for against teams like Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool, Everton.
    If we can compete with these 4 teams regularly in the top 8 fighting for as high a finish as possible.

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  36. Sharpy of the teams you just listed I would say Spuds and Arsenal are the hardest to compete with , I know that Liverpool are bringing in more revenue than us but I still think they are a club in decline ,they are still no nearer they’re glory days and I don’t ever see them winning the league again .Everton are very hit and miss and **** poor too compared to us and Liverpool ,so for me the real ones to catch are Arsenal and Spuds with Obviously the two Mancs and Chelski out of sight anyway.

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  37. Prem – I’m not denying it mate but it counts for nowt really does it. I mean Leeds were probably in the top 10 once as well – look at them now.
    Equally, all it takes is another super rich Arab to buy WBA or Stoke and we move down to 8th or whatever. We are also miles of Spurs in 6th position so as a fan it doesn’t really mean a great deal to me one way or another.
    I mean, I have no idea what position Swansea are ranked but I do know that they won silverware this season and that’s what I’m envious of most of all.

    Stu – I think I’ve kinda answered your question in the last part of my previous post. Yes we have a good first team 11 but I do think there is a gulf in talent from those and the back up 11 and our young players have proved that they are still a good few seasons away from being ready yet.
    Top 8 should be the minimum requirement over the next 4-5 seasons and then look to finish as high as possible from there. That for me is far more realistic and achievable for the squad of players we have with the addition of 5-6 changes in the summer.

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  38. We need consistency long term and short term. Starting with top 10 finishes every year, Beating the (No disrespect) lesser teams home and away, turning the away losses into draws and maybe taking a few more points of the big boys.

    We need to learn the right time to sell a player to get maximum value out of him and should always have a replacement or two lined up. If our finances continue to improve then we can raise our wage cap and attract even better players. I would also like a bit of investment in the facilities of the club.

    It seems expectations have risen a lot again since our great season last year. I think i would be very happy with a top 8 finish.

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  39. Kim – I wouldn’t disagree with that, I do Lpool are going through a bit of a transition under Rodgers and can still attract the players we would like to – the likes of Toby Alderwiereld who has said this week he’d consider joining them but not us.
    That said I do think their title winning days are along way off still.
    I’d still expect those teams to regularly make up the top 8 each season though.

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  40. Santii – that would be more in keeping with the baby steps I thought Stu was referring to and I think is probably closest to Ashley’s ‘8 year plan’.
    Unfortunately I don’t think Newcastle United is too appealing to the big money sponsors or invests at the moment but consistently finishing in the top 8 for the next 4-5 seasons may hopefully change that a little bit.

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  41. 155,000 people through the turnstiles in one week. Remarkable effort by the fans

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  42. Let’s just all give up the fcking ghost!

    Joke some views on here! Why shall we not aim higher? How did Spurs get in a position where they’re challenging for top 4 regular? Or Everton?

    The way some on here are going on I wonder why we bother turning up…

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  43. I’m with Stu.
    Spurs can be an example for the rest of the league. They have spent a fair wedge, but a good chunk was through sales.
    They appear to have much better coaches than us though.

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  44. Stu I agree 100% we need to be aiming for Euro footie every year because if we think we should aim for top 8 – 10 we’ll be in for a big surprise because half of our top player won’t hang about for that as most of them were sold the Euro dream, so we will need to do it or we’ll need to keep rebuilding every couple of years

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  45. Hadn’t noticed this until I read the Bigi interview but all three times that Campbell has come of the bench for us we’ve soon after scored a winning goal. Shola on the other hand (unless its against the mackems or QPR) is like a bad omen, fouling players, being offside and scuffing chances.

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  46. @Dave
    If we don’t become close to breaking top 4 most of them be off anyway.
    I doubt Europa is even going to slightly tempt them to stay here long term.
    I reckon they’ve been sold a stepping stone.
    Either we use the Europa as a stepping to stone to the Champions League.
    Or they use us as a stepping stone to a bigger club.

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  47. There has been alot of rumours since the weekend that Chiek M’Bengue was watching us from the stands on Sunday. Of course this has been followed by speculation that he might join in the summer. Now, I’d imagine its all bollocks but it has got my little brain going.

    If Obertan is leaving (and I hope he is) could Santon take his place as a winger in the squad and therefore free up space for another full back?

    It’s not entirely unbelievable…….

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  48. Dave ,that’s the thing that worries me ,we must keep investing in good players so we can keep up /get ahead of the pack .No more of this we can get by with what we got **** like in the summer cause it just causes our top players to look elsewhere as they think there’s no ambition .I am the first to acknowledge and say fair play to Ash for bringing bodies in ,in january but really his hand was forced as he could see the big bucks next season slipping from his grasp. My question is ,is he prepared to splash out on more talent as and when needed which is probably every season ,because as Big Al said you need to be spending £15/20m just to maintain the status quo every season. Talk about desire how big is the owners for the club ? ,I want to know it’s more than just a vehicle for selling his sports ware around the world.

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  49. Oblong @52 That’s not a bad shout ,after all Santon started out as a RW didn’t he .

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  50. ST atleast with the EL the players then know that we are nearly there and within touching distance, even Gus Poyet said that any players would thrive and jump at the chance of European football even the EL.
    So if we do finish top 5 -6 with a small chance of stealing 4th we have a better chance of keeping our better players, as without top 6 im sure we will lose them as they won’t settle for mid table

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  51. **** me Stu, you picked ya toys up yet or what mate?!.
    Nee ones saying give up the ghost or aim for mediocre, but we aren’t a club with the finacial clout of other teams going for that 4th spot. You can use Spurs as an example of a team achieving it but I could also us Leeds and Portsmouth as examples of clubs trying to rush success.
    Are you seriously telling me that you’d see us sell Cabaye, Ben Arfa and Cisse and think ‘great, there’s a sign were chasing CL footie?!’.
    Also Spurs have a squad heavily made up of players who have came through their youth system who are considerably better or more developed than ours are at the moment.
    You also mention Everton, who’s success has arguably come through Moyes having been given time to develop a team – which is exactly what I’m suggest Pardew is given – how is that giving up the ghost?!

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  52. I think the simple answer to the blog theme “a sign of desire” is …yes, now we are … At the same time our abysmal scoring record means that we will always be on the edge of our seats. We need to find more goals throughout the side… I fancied Staylor to steal a goal at the weekend, he looked dangerous at times..

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  53. yes, now we are showing a lot more fight and desire.. At the beginning of the season we were so lacklustre, thank goodness those days are behind us …

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  54. MM your right we need more goals although I did have a feeling that Goofy would have chipped in with a few, but I still think if we had Benny we would have scored more and won more.

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  55. Big D you are dead right with HBA. I also thought Goofy had a few more goals in him. We need to get this problem solved next season, hopefully when HBA is back and we can get a run with our settled best 11 things will improve.. Not to forget the fact that we also need to pick up a new striler in the summer imo.. we cannot be left to rely on Shola as back up..

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  56. Yeah I think he did Kim. It was just a thought I can’t see any of it happening. Santon has got pace and skill though and I think he would make a good winger!

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  57. MM Ice will be happy to hear that your agreeing alot with me as it shows your starting to catch on to this footie lark. As I did tell him I would try to keep you right while he was away.

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  58. Sharpy at 38. You make good points. But the club has already shown the willingness to sell a big player when a great offer comes in. I think fans will accept that (after some initial anger) if the sale moves the club forward like the Carroll sale did.

    It’s true we likley won’t have the revenues of Spurs but with the new TV money coming in, we’ll be able to pay higher wages than we currently do. Our club has shown the ability to find good players on the continent. If they continue to do so, with the new TV money, and a bit of luck, there’s no reason why we couldn’t contend for 4th on occassion. We came within 5 point of it last year.

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  59. You would have to laugh a little, as an otusider. Two or even one week ago we were certs for relegation, only 2 winnable fixtures of the season left and we would be lucky to win them with our **** players/manager.

    Now we’re 7th best in England and 20th in europe 😆

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  60. Newkie behave. I’m talking finances and they have not changed. Also I never subscribed to the doom view. Although I doubt that we will finish above the bindippers from this position.

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  61. MDS – If we sold 3 of our top players there would be riots outside of SJP mate. Ashley would be accused of lining his own pockets and destroying our club – as well you know. I still read now people accusing him of doing such and despite bringing players like Ba, Cabaye, Tiote and Cisse people were still asking when the Carroll money would be spent.
    As for the TV money – every club gets a share of that mate, including Spurs.

    Please don’t misunderstand what I’m saying. I’m not saying we shouldn’t aim for 4th spot. What I’m saying is that is that if we establish ourselves as a top 8 side first it’s a far better platform to mount an assault on the 4th place than where we are now.

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  62. Did anyone watch the Real Madrid V Galatasaray? It was a cracking game of footie and the Gala fans are amazing.

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  63. lol well you know what i meant 😀

    and i just yeah Dortmund got like 2 in 2 minutes lol poor Malaga 😀

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  64. Anyone else getting really annoyed at how many times we are being linked with Carroll and for £17m? I honestly think some of us on this blog could be better journalists than most of the professional’s 😀

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  65. Sharpy17 says:
    April 9, 2013 at 21:49
    MDS – If we sold 3 of our top players there would be riots outside of SJP mate. Ashley would be accused of lining his own pockets and destroying our club – as well you know. I still read now people accusing him of doing such and despite bringing players like Ba, Cabaye, Tiote and Cisse people were still asking when the Carroll money would be spent.
    As for the TV money – every club gets a share of that mate, including Spurs.
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    Oh I agree there would be riots, etc. But that nearly happended with carroll but now most if not all supporters see it as a great bit of business that helped transform the club. I’m sure Spurs supporters weren’t thrilled at the time their stars went either, but if you show progression (like we did last year) supporters get over it…

    As for the TV money, I know everyone gets it mate but the big 4-5 can’t offer first team footy to everyone.

    Anyways, that’s my hope….

    About the TV money, I know thta everybody gets it,

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