39 thoughts on “Taking the positives: An occasional series

  1. We have a second positive. Hatem Ben Arfa. Only HBA had the nads to take the game to Man City, and was not overawed by their all-start line up.

    Edin Dzeko cost Man City 35 million euros in 2011, he’s probably worth a lot more than that now. I like the way you managed to slag Shola off in the same description, even though the bloke didn’t even get off the bench !

    Agree 100% about Staylor.

    Oh, and we have a third positive, the fantastic Academy star Tim Krul. What a fantastic goalie ! Ashley will be expecting a bumper windfall when he sells him next season.

    So the bottom line is that the powerhouse of a football institution Manchester City with the spending power of a rich gulf state had too much skill, know-how, guile, power etc etc etc etc for a wee club from the north of England who are run by a gazillionaire with deep pockets and short arms. Nothing new there for me.

    I reckon your whippet puppy would be harder to shove off the ball than Cisse. In the blokes defence he isn’t a target man, but he lost the majority of balls because he quite simply lacked the aggression and willpower to put in the effort. Not good enough I’m afraid. Mentally not at the races. We can’t afford to carry 60% of the team I’m afraid, and that’s what we did.

    p.s. I watched the game til the end 😉

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  2. Do we have any midfielders or strikers for today’s game?

    Also I notice out pre season training must be working with Jonas put with a dodgy hamstring and Tiote our with a groin strain.

    Fckin shambles, absolute shambles!

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  3. The only positive was that the game only lasted 90mins 😆

    Fingers crossed for today. Injuries and suspensions impacting our already small squad.
    Sometimes in situations like this you’re forced into finding the answer. Hopefully that happens today and if so, hopefully Pardew will stick with it rather than reverting back to his favourites when they return.

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  4. That just about sums it up, Prem. Nice analysis. I tend to agree with just about everything there … even the lack of positives. I still think Taylor was harshly dealt with, and the Ivanovic matter at least gives me some kind of back up, but I’m not going to die in a ditch defending that opinion. If you throw your arms about like that you always risk being red-carded. He’s a silly silly man.

    ManC were head and shoulders above us all game, in every area of the park. Let’s hope we have someone our own size v West Ham. That’ll be a much better indication of where we’re at and whether Pardew has learnt anything from last season. Not just Pardew, the players also need to show some initiative as well.

    And btw I’ve been reading about the FFP rules and the adoption of new rules in the PL after you mentioned it on the last thread. Interesting stuff (in a bankers sort of way). It shines some light on why the tv money hasn’t been invested in the team. Not that I fully understand it yet – I’m not an accountant and have no interest in pretending to be one.

    Howay the lads.

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  5. And PS- I got up at 4.30am to watch it and stayed awake all game. I think the heavy sighs I made throught kept me awake. That and the constant shaking of my head and muttering words not taught to me by my parents … although, come to think of it …

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  6. Thanks obvious typo I don’t know my left from my right.

    I may do an article on FFP, I’ll see what time I get. I have a freeish day today but It might be better to wait til the window shuts. Then again, why wait.

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  7. Prem – please do that article mate, I think it will give us all a better understanding of things.
    What I still struggle with is why go for PEA and Gomis who will be on top end wages if things are THAT tight for us. Surely someone like Brown Ideye would have lower wage demands. If its that tight surely every 5-10k pw counts.

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  8. Prem ,Great read mate and wouldn’t argue against any of it. I think more effort should be going into off loading some of our fringe players tbh .Amalfitano ,Abied , Obatan and to a certain extent Gosling . If these guys have no future in the first team which seems apparent then they should be transfer listed at least it would free up some wages for one possibly two decent first team quality players.

    Worried about today as well ,I know some pros have us down for a 2.1 win but that’s based on West Hams woefull away form based on last season rather than our collective skill level 🙄 says it all really.
    Nolan to bag a brace I reckon ,hope I’m wrong though.

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  9. Sharpy ,Aye it’s about as clear as mud to me this ffp business .Swansea have a strict salary cap yet managed to secure Bony albeit he’s their top earner.

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  10. Kim, as far as I can understand it, it’s because they come from a low wage base, therefore have room to bring in a high earner – and I suspect they probably agreed to every demand his agent asked for in order to make a quick deal.

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  11. Prem good read and a lot of good points made, I like MM thought Benny was also a positive.
    As for Cabaye I think its a joke when you consider that Pards himself said the bid was made on the eve of a big game, so that tells me it wasnt a last minute thing.
    TBH I dont think it should matter when the bid was made he should still be able to play like most other players, I think we have seen the last of him.
    But I really don’t think the FFP rules is what has resulted in us still not buying 1 player yet.

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  12. Dave I’m not really trying to say that FFP has prevented anything, but it is a straitjacket which makes it a lot more difficult.

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  13. It’s the new financial regulations for the PL that need explaining to me. The FFP regs are pretty much understood (at least in a naive way).

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  14. Bris@12 yep probably right about the agent thing.

    Like I said if paying wages is such an issue under the new regulations then we need to offload the non starters imo.

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  15. So . . . no Cabaye, Jonas, Tiote. Well we can’t do worse than on Monday can we? Cabaye’s gone already just protecting his move from injury. Jonas and Tiote – I’m glad they’re out as they both needed dropping. However, what do we have left? Anita, Sissoko and ??? Personally I’d go for Bigi in Tiote’s position. That’s what the kid’s for right? Pardew will probably play Sammy instead of Jonas. No Marv?

    What a mess x 10 with Pardew orchestrating.

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  16. well i hope we can get our first win of the season today & pardew then proves most of us wrong by taking us on a decent run of results over the next few weeks.

    back to reality – i predict…

    an ugly 0 – 0 or a 0 – 1 watched by a unhappy & reduced crowd wearing wonga-less tops.

    with jfk’s second coming working out brilliantly for ashley’s pocket – & a discredited/injured frenchman our only signing to date – then the signs don’t look good for this season i’m afraid.

    over to you alan!

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  17. Is anyone else not a helluva lot more positive this game?

    I know I’ve waiting to see Taylor, Tiote and Jonas out of the team and Mbiwa play with Colo, Anita with Sissoko, and Marveaux or Gouffran instead of Jonas. I for one believe we will play well today.

    The only thing bugging me at the moment, is we seem to be flogging Cabaye with no assurances he will be replaced. Pardew saying today he wanted Downing proves he has no input at all anymore.

    team for today and i think we’ll be pleasantly surprised, or optimistic come 5pm.

    Krul

    Santon/Deb Colo Mbiwa Dummett (he is looking like our best left back)

    Ben Arfa Anita Sissoko Marveaux

    Gouffran Cisse

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  18. To be fair about the transfer situation in general, I think we haven’t had any new players because most of the available players aren’t good enough.

    I don’t think Gomis is able improve us as he is not good enough.

    Darren Bent can’t get a game at Villa so why would he here

    Aubameyang had the choice of Dortmund or us. We were trying to sign him in January but he wanted to finish the season so we had to wait.

    Bony might have been a good option but other than last season he has only been scoring 1 in 2 in the Eredivisie. The general consensus in that players score half as many goals in the Premier League as they did in the Eredivisie so a crude guess is that he’ll average 1 in 4 or 1 in 3 in the Premier League. That’s not a good enough return for a striker costing £12m.

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  19. Lets hope we manage to get it together today,im not convinced to be honest.Im amazed that because an offer goes in for a player he doesnt play,thats just a load of total bollox,bet he still got paid.This club is going nowhere under this regime and the saddest thing is we just take it as if its ok.Cant wait till the present owner and the rest of his underachieving satff all leave .Not holding my breath though as we are an amazing cash cow for the fat lad who no doubt sits and laughs his bollocks off after every game and counts the gate receipts

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  20. @KK none of our strikers are scoring goals or even look like they might in the future…..worrying times my friend

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  21. 02 February 2013 NUFC 3 – 2 Chelsea – Good win
    09 February 2013 Spurs 2 – 1 NUFC – Lose
    24 February 2013 NUFC 4 – 2 Southampton – Lucky win
    02 March 2013 Swansea City 1 – 0 NUFC – Lose
    10 March 2013 NUFC 2 – 1 Stoke City – Lucky win
    17 March 2013 Wigan 2 – 1 NUFC – Lose
    30 March 2013 Man City 4 – 0 NUFC – Lose
    07 April 2013 NUFC 1 – 0 Fulham – Lucky win
    14 April 2013 NUFC 0 – 3 Sunderland – Lose
    20 April 2013 WBA 1 – 1 NUFC – Draw
    27 April 2013 NUFC 0 – 6 Liverpool – Lose
    04 May 2013 WHU 0 – 0 NUFC – Draw
    12 May 2013 QPR 1 – 2 NUFC – Lucky win
    19 May 2013 NUFC 0 – 1 Arsenal – Lose
    19 August 2013 Man City 4 – 0 NUFC – Lose

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  22. Well I’m normally one to take the positives out of a situation but it is hard to be optimistic about the forthcoming season, especially after the horror show at the Etihad stadium. I’m not Alan Pardew’s biggest fan and think that he is tactically naive on a lot of occasions; its criminal that he hasn’t been helped out by Joe Kinnear or Mike Ashley because it is clear that we need reinforcements. We have the foundations and with some sound investment, we could be challenging for a top 6 position but under the current regime there is no hope.

    A club the size of Newcastle deserves ambition from the hierarchy and better than mid table mediocrity.

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  23. TLDR;

    Since 29 January 2013 (Villa game) we’ve had 16 games:
    2 good wins (Villa & Chelsea)
    4 lucky wins (Southampton, Stoke, Fulham, QPR)
    2 draws
    8 losses

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  24. Those stats sum up our form and its not likely to improve,I hope im wrong but ive got a feeling it wont.The fans need something positive to cheer about and selling players wont achieve that in my opinion,that said Cabaye was gash last season and was a shadow of hi former self but that can be said of a lot of our french recruits,most of them have failed to deliver or live up to their vaunted reputations.I watch every game and the same thing pops into my head,why did we tear up trees to sign Debuchy? he is an awful defender.Of course he is French,cheapish and is big mates with Cabaye,that bloke thats after a move to a bigger and better club,Arsenal.Never takes them long to realise we have no ambition at all apart from staying in the prem so Fatty can trouser yet more cash whilst neglecting to strengthen the squad,never mind the first team.We keep on going through the turnstiles though,its in the blood and its hard to say no to our weekly fix,but at some point we will have to make a stand because Fatty will just keep extracting the urine from some of the best and loyalist fans in the Uk and thats disgraceful!!!

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  25. brisvegas – You might be right about the Wigan & Swansea game. I don’t remember us playing well but it might just be me. I thought we deserved the loss against Sunderland but had the offside Cisse goal stood it might have been a different story (better or worse depending on the reaction Di Canio would have caused!)

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  26. ——————–krul—————–
    –Debuchy—Mbiwa—Colo–Dummett—
    ———–Anita——Sissoko————-
    ————–Marveaux———————
    —-Ben Arfa—-Cisse—Gouffran———-

    433 the system which Cisse and Ben arfa thrived in two years back that we dropped for some unknown reason.

    2-1 Gouffran and Cisse.

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  27. Cabaye is surely gone now? how could he come back after pulling out twice. I hope he is gone as I’ll have no respect for the spine-less shit, no player is bigger than the Toon…

    canny line-up. might have to change my score to 1-0 to the toon

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  28. Alan Pardew (without any bias) is definitely the worst manager we’ve had in the last 21 years, 6 months & 19 days since Kevin Keegan first joined us as manager. We’ve had 12 managers in that time.

    8 of those managers have been in charge for more than 50 games. Alan Pardew is the worst of that bunch.

    Team G W D L PPG
    Hughton 70 55.71% 24.29% 20.00% 1.91
    Keegan 251 54.98% 20.32% 24.70% 1.85
    Roeder 72 45.83% 33.33% 20.83% 1.70
    Robson 255 46.67% 25.10% 28.24% 1.65
    Souness 83 43.37% 21.69% 34.94% 1.51
    Dalglish 78 38.46% 28.21% 33.33% 1.43
    Gullit 52 34.62% 38.46% 26.92% 1.42
    Pardew 121 36.36% 26.45% 37.19% 1.35
    Allardyce 24 33.33% 25.00% 41.67% 1.25
    Keegan 21 28.57% 28.57% 42.86% 1.14
    Kinnear 18 22.22% 44.44% 33.33% 1.11
    Shearer 8 12.50% 25.00% 62.50% 0.62

    On another note, we only seem to hire people from the British Isles. The only ‘exotic’ manager in the last two decades came from 325 miles away in Amsterdam and lasted 52 games.

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  29. Team G W D L PPG
    Hughton 70 55.71% 24.29% 20.00% 1.91
    Keegan 251 54.98% 20.32% 24.70% 1.85
    Roeder 72 45.83% 33.33% 20.83% 1.70
    Robson 255 46.67% 25.10% 28.24% 1.65
    Souness 83 43.37% 21.69% 34.94% 1.51
    Dalglish 78 38.46% 28.21% 33.33% 1.43
    Gullit 52 34.62% 38.46% 26.92% 1.42
    Pardew 121 36.36% 26.45% 37.19% 1.35
    Allardyce 24 33.33% 25.00% 41.67% 1.25
    Keegan 21 28.57% 28.57% 42.86% 1.14
    Kinnear 18 22.22% 44.44% 33.33% 1.11
    Shearer 08 12.50% 25.00% 62.50% 0.62

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  30. I think Cabaye would be happy enough to play. Wouldn’t you want to show everybody how good you are?

    I think it’s Pardew that doesn’t want him to play because it puts him in the shop window. Bizarre because that’s what Pardew has been doing all summer with every player at the club…..

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  31. It’s a good line up but 433 under Pardew is actually 451 because Ben Arfa and Gouffran are forced wide and have to track back.

    All formations under Pardew regress in the following way:
    442=>451=>91=>10
    433=>451=>91=>10
    4231=>451=>91=>10
    4312=>451=>91=>10

    The 433 system which Cisse and Ben Arfa thrived in two years back only worked in a few games and only for certain periods during those games. It was effective up to a point but we were by no means blowing teams away. Remember, we were comfortably beaten in 3 of our last 4 games that season and the win at Chelsea was because of the imminent CL final (and a wonder goal!).

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  32. My negativity aside, i actually think we will win today.

    We’ll win today by two or more goals.

    I’m going for 3-1.

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