Another derby and another pathetic defeat under the stewardship of Alan Pardew. Not good would be an understatement.
You’ve probably noticed the lack of a match report following on from that game. It’s intentional. As much as I try to take the rough with the smooth I’m not willing to put myself and everyone else through it all again.
Perhaps that is my inspiration for this article? As you can see I’ve called it ‘the tipping point’ because that is the point I feel I’ve reached with everything at Newcastle and feel that now we are stuck in a position we’ll never get out of.
It sounds bad having a moan and may even come across as reactionary after another defeat to Sunderland. It’s not at all. They fully deserved the win on the day. This is a culmination of many things.
Alan Pardew
I’ve been stuck on what to think of him for ages now. On one hand I do feel sorry for him having to work under the constraints those above put on him. On the other hand I’m guessing he knew the deal when he signed up.
Motivationally speaking the guy just doesn’t get it. After the derby he said perhaps we were too pumped up? Balls. That isn’t what I saw. Instead I saw a group of players who didn’t look up for it at all.
Players have suffered under him. Papiss Cisse has been a 1 in 2 striker throughout his career yet we are unable to give him the service or chances regularly enough.
Hatem Ben Arfa is another who seems to have gone backwards as has Sylvain Marveaux while there are plenty who have stagnated as footballers.
If part of our philosophy is to buy players and develop them, does it not fall down with the coaching and, ultimately, the manager?
Mike Ashley
It’s pretty clear what the aim of the club is. We are to sit in the Premier League without aiming for the Europa League because it’s an inconvenience but with no chance of ever going for a Champions League place due to the amount of money it would take to give it a go. Also a domestic cup is out of bounds as it just doesn’t benefit the balance. Sod trying to win things.
Now I’m not blindly saying that Ashley hasn’t done anything for us. Our finances are tip-top and they needed sorting out with the losses we were making at the tail end of the Freddy Shepherd era. Those figures are there in black and white and are not the result of some propaganda machine.
However there comes a time when sitting on a load of cash and selling top players has to end. I read somewhere that our net spend over the last five seasons is something like -45 million quid. True a lot of that is inflated by the sale of Carroll and Cabaye and the picking up of players at knockdown prices but it’s still staggering if true.
In this game you need to spend to stand still and we just aren’t going to do that. In fact the last and only time we’ve seen a rush of transfer activity was when our Premier League status was on the line which says an awful lot about the ambition of the club.
Joe Kinnear
What does he do apart from chat a load of lies? He is supposed to be Director of Football but at the moment he’s just basically doing nothing. I didn’t think we could get worse than Derek Llambias but it just shows how wrong I was.
In conclusion change has to happen from the top but how can it be engineered? A stay away protest? Generally I’m against things that harm the team but being as we’re pretty much safe, which is why in my eyes we’ve not invested again, why can’t we also use that reason to stay away?
We need to get our point across somehow…
Likewise if Ashley’s football blueprint is to be in line with Pardew’s then Carr will have to either totally re-evaluate what is a good player to him and find the “cloggers” or he, Carr, has to go. If Ashley decides Carr has to go, there should be a clear out of the skillful players to, and bring back the Barton’s, Nolan’s and Carrol’s of this world, but I had hoped we had moved on from that.
KK(Quote)
KK – would you swap Pardew for AVB?
Sharpy17(Quote)
Santi@371, Seriously, your having a pop at people for wanting someone who understands the modern game as DOF :shock:. I don’t think anyone had JFK in their mind for the job and it was an awful decision by Mike to appoint him, he is a dinosaur and has no place in the modern game, likewise Dennis Wise didn’t have the experience for the job. The common denominator was they were both Mikes mates, as was Lambias which meant they would tow the party line but not necessarily do a good job . When we asked for a football man I think most meant a David Dein type or a Nicola Cortese or even maybe someone like Steve Maclaren who was jobless around the time of JFK appointment would of done a job, good contacts too. While I agree Shearer is not the right guy for DOF he is not a tool mate, he has Ashleys number alright, which is why I suspect you don’t rate him. When it’s all said and done MA has made a lot of terrible decisions at Toon and that cannot be denied imo.
KIMTOON(Quote)
Yes, KK, and I can disagree with their opinions. Your “certainly” is not necessarily mine. And you are being seriously disingenuous about transfers. He was shafted because at the beginning of last season he didn’t get in the players we needed then,,which not only didn’t reinforce us but also demotivated the squad. He was then shafted last summer and this January. Yes, we have a pretty good squad now, which Pardew of course must take some responsibility for, but there is no doubt he was shafted on the above occasions and that it affected not only the depth and quality of the squad but the morale and motivation of the players.
Martinez and Pochenttino, jury definitely still out on Martinez, I reckon he’s very lucky to have the squad and motivation that Moyes left behind, plus some money to spend. I personally am not a fan and wouldn’t want him instead of Pardew. Pochenttino, nice pressing game etc but too early to tell. I wouldn’t at present have him replace Pardew. For my money, I reckon they are both flavor of the month at the moment, will see a couple of years down the line. While Pardew has proved he can get us in and around the mix with a bit of transfer support. Pellegrini, wouldn’t come and to be honest I wouldn’t want him, for the fact I would quite like someone to take the club forward over the years, which his age would prohibit. I also wouldn’t take Moyes, it is not as if he did that much better at Everton than Pardew has done here, and recently Pardew had us playing some decent stuff, Moyes at Everton was not famed for that.
Lionel Speed(Quote)
Wow, well at least the lads honest 🙄
http://www.themag.co.uk/the-mag-articles/remy-cabella-newcastle-good-springboard/
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@Santii
lol I think Lliambias was a joke, his communication was shocking and he told lies, not to mention getting naked on st James 😯
Were you happy with Kinnear? the guy was useless.
I can’t see how you can criticises ppl complaining about Kinnears 8 months here..
mark(Quote)
Yes, KK, and I can disagree with their opinions. Your “certainly” is not necessarily mine. And you are being seriously disingenuous about transfers. He was shafted because at the beginning of last season he didn’t get in the players we needed then,,which not only didn’t reinforce us but also demotivated the squad. He was then shafted last summer and
this January. Yes, we have a pretty good squad now, which Pardew of course must take some responsibility for, but there is no doubt he was shafted on the above occasions and that it affected not only the depth and quality of the squad but the morale and motivation of the players.
Martinez and Pochenttino, jury definitely still out on Martinez, I reckon he’s very lucky to have the squad and motivation that Moyes left behind, plus some money to spend. I personally am not a fan and wouldn’t want him instead of Pardew. Pochenttino, nice pressing game etc but too early to tell. I wouldn’t at present have him replace Pardew. For my money, I reckon they are both flavor of the month at the moment, will see a couple of years down the line. While Pardew has proved he can get us in and around the mix with a bit of transfer support. Pellegrini, wouldn’t come and to be honest I wouldn’t want him, for the fact I would quite like someone to take the club forward over the years, which his age would prohibit. I also wouldn’t take Moyes, it is not as if he did that much better at Everton than Pardew has done here, and recently Pardew had us playing some decent stuff, Moyes at Everton was not famed for that.
Lionel Speed(Quote)
Shearer is a complete tool…. have you ever seen him on match of the day.
Some of the stories i have read about him. Makes me think he is a complete douchebag as well.
My point was be careful what you wish for. They got their “football man”.
Cortese a “football man” seriously?
Santii(Quote)
@Mark
“I can’t see how you can criticises ppl complaining about Kinnears 8 months here..”
How have I?
Santii(Quote)
LS – I don’t think the jury is still out on Martinez. The style of football at Swans, Wigan and now Everton is light years ahead of what Pardew wants. If you remember Pardew wanted Caroll back, Bent and Downing in and maybe Tomkins. To play with Obertan and Williamson presumably. 👿
georgio(Quote)
Santi, For someone who ridicules bloggers for believing press and twitter you seem quite quick to believe stories about Shearer 😉
NUFC, owe an awful lot to Big Al, his goals helped make us a power house for sometime, as for being a tool, that’s personal opinion mate not fact.
KIMTOON(Quote)
http://www.alanshearercentre.org.uk/
Santi, ANYONE , who sets up a centre like that is a kindhearted person, as a parent of someone profoundly disabled I know the value of such places, I don’t think a douchebag as you put it would even think of others like this if he were.
KIMTOON(Quote)
SANTII how the hell you talk about shearer like that,now proves you know nothing on football matters,ime not saying he should not get the job,but for you to talk like shows you know nowt are not a toon supporter never have been and never wiil,i know who the tool is 👿 👿
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@Sharpy17
Nope. AVB, Laudrup etc are overrated in my opinion. They’re better than most English managers but they are still very average imo.
@Lionel Speed
Georgio beat me to it. Martinez laid the foundations at Swansea, Wigan & he’s doing the same at Everton.
Pellegrini would have come last summer if we had got to him before Man City were interested.
I’d agree, Pochettino is no guarantee but at least he’s put passion & belief into his players & the guy cant even speak English yet!
I think we’re a bigger club than Everton but Everton over achieved under Moyes whereas we’ve been underachieving for a long time.
Pardew said it himself – we’re supposed to be in a different league to them 🙄
Nobody in the world realistically thinks that Pardew is better than Moyes. That’s the equivalent of suggesting that Pardew should be manager of Man Utd 😆
KK(Quote)
@Georgio
You guys like your one sided arguments. Obertan was one of his early signings, who was relatively cheap and who they hoped could raise his confidence and get him to be the player Man. U expected. Williamson everybody, including Pardew I am sure, expected to be 4th choice at the start of the season, 1 million pound player now keeping the others out, can’t complain at that. The others, who really knows, though, he may well have wanted Carroll back, I was torn. He has also made some good signings, or are all the hearsay, **** signings his and all the ones we actually buy against his wishes.
Like I have said, if he returns to hoof ball through the rest of the season, get rid, but if he can get us back playing decent football, keep him.
Martinez, we’ll see. He got Wigan relegated and has benefited applying his techniques to Moyes’ hard graft over many years, we’ll see when it’s all his responsibility. Given our **** results recently, we are still not far off Everton. With Cabaye staying and one or two signings last Summer or January I am sure we’d have finished above Everton. We may still.
Let’s see what the rest if the season holds.
Ashley, Kinnear etc deserve grief, not Pardew, except for the kind of displays we saw last week.
Lionel Speed(Quote)
Pellegrini would have come if we’d got there first, don’t make me laugh!
I am not sure exactly, whether Pardew said it or not, how we are supposed to be in a different league to Everton. They one the league numerous times in the 80s, were always part of the top 6, and Moyes has had them near the top 4 for many years. Apart from having more fans on match day, because we have a bigger stadium, I am not sure why we are so obviously bigger than Everton.
Again, Pardew got us to 5th, he was looking like, with a bit of support, he would have got us close again. Not half bad!
Given the choice now, I wouldn’t take Moyes over Pardew. It is not like saying Pardew is good enough for United, it is like saying they both aren’t. You reckon Pardew would be doing any worse at Man. U than Moyes now, not sure myself. With the way we’ve played on occasion this season, old Pardew wouldn’t do badly when buying 30 million + players. He wouldn’t have bought Fellianni I am sure.
The jury is out on Pardew, in part because of the mixed styles of football we have played and because of last years shocking run of losses, but also because the jury is still out on how our club is being run and how the transfers aren’t being made.
Ps. Pardew has had spirit and belief pumped into our players on many occasions, it is just that they were sadly lacking last week.
Lionel Speed(Quote)
@Lionel Speed
I don’t see what’s one sided about it. Pardew is just another one of Mike Ashley’s cronies just as Kinnear was & Llambias was.
I want them all gone. Why would you want Kinnear & Ashley out but not the guy that is responsible for some utterly shambolic performances?
Hasn’t Pardew broken something like 3 long term club records in his 3 years here. None of those records are something to be proud of.
The worst defeat for the club at home since 1925.
3 defeats vs sunderland which is something that hasn’t happened in 90 years!
As for Martinez, he was manager of a tiny club (at least half our size) & got them finishing 5 points behind us + a trophy. If that is not a massive overachievement then i don’t know what is.
KK(Quote)
@Santii
Your post @371.
How can you say Shearer is a complete tool because of MOTD?
he’s an absolute legend.. 🙄
mark(Quote)
Why would it make you laugh to think that Pellegrini could have been our manage?
You do know that before Man City he was at Malaga, right?
The same Malaga that has had to sell players because of financial problems & gets a crowd of 30k.
Do you really think he would have turned us down despite Malaga being a smaller club & despite him confirming that he wanted to leave them?
Obviously as soon as Mancini left & Man City were interested, we would not have been able to get him. Prior to that though there is every reason to expect that he would have come.
We’re a bigger club tban Everton but it depends on your take on ‘bigger’. We have more money & more fans so that’s why i’d say we’re bigger.
KK(Quote)
Mark
John Terry is one of Chelsea’s all time greatest players doe’s that change you opinion of him as a person?
No he is a scumbag. Doesn’t mean he hasn’t been beast for Chelsea over the years.
Kim
there is plenty of douchbag’s who do nice things.
Ice
lolumadbro
Santii(Quote)
Glenn Roeder got us to 7th with a weaker squad.
If he was manager with this squad we’d finish 5th.
Let’s have Glenn Roeder back then, ehh? 🙄
Because Pardew, Roeder, Allardyce, Kinnear, Pulis know what real football is about.
Those Spanish, German, French, Brazilian, Argentinian managers etc don’t know how to win games, titles or trophies.
They play girlie football whereas we want to see cloggers & football from the old days, right? 🙄
KK(Quote)
I don’t really know what Shearer is like.
I get the feeling that he can be nice or nasty if he chooses whereas some players just come across as purely nice (Zola, Solano, Kompany etc)
I have question marks about what role he played in the dressing room when SBR was manager.
As the captain i hope he supported SBR but i have doubts based on suggestions that SBR lost the dressing room.
I don’t know but i’d rather just remember him for the goals he scored for us. He definitely doesn’t have the ability for a management role at the club (yet) so he’s not really in my thoughts
KK(Quote)
“I don’t know but I’d rather just remember him for the goals he scored for us. He definitely doesn’t have the ability for a management role at the club (yet) so he’s not really in my thoughts”
ditto
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Laudrupp sacked
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After the horse punching incident at the last derby day ..Northumbria police are investigating how 11 donkeys were slaughtered in front of 50,000 dissolutioned GEORDIES
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