Another derby and another pathetic defeat under the stewardship of Alan Pardew. Not good would be an understatement.
You’ve probably noticed the lack of a match report following on from that game. It’s intentional. As much as I try to take the rough with the smooth I’m not willing to put myself and everyone else through it all again.
Perhaps that is my inspiration for this article? As you can see I’ve called it ‘the tipping point’ because that is the point I feel I’ve reached with everything at Newcastle and feel that now we are stuck in a position we’ll never get out of.
It sounds bad having a moan and may even come across as reactionary after another defeat to Sunderland. It’s not at all. They fully deserved the win on the day. This is a culmination of many things.
Alan Pardew
I’ve been stuck on what to think of him for ages now. On one hand I do feel sorry for him having to work under the constraints those above put on him. On the other hand I’m guessing he knew the deal when he signed up.
Motivationally speaking the guy just doesn’t get it. After the derby he said perhaps we were too pumped up? Balls. That isn’t what I saw. Instead I saw a group of players who didn’t look up for it at all.
Players have suffered under him. Papiss Cisse has been a 1 in 2 striker throughout his career yet we are unable to give him the service or chances regularly enough.
Hatem Ben Arfa is another who seems to have gone backwards as has Sylvain Marveaux while there are plenty who have stagnated as footballers.
If part of our philosophy is to buy players and develop them, does it not fall down with the coaching and, ultimately, the manager?
Mike Ashley
It’s pretty clear what the aim of the club is. We are to sit in the Premier League without aiming for the Europa League because it’s an inconvenience but with no chance of ever going for a Champions League place due to the amount of money it would take to give it a go. Also a domestic cup is out of bounds as it just doesn’t benefit the balance. Sod trying to win things.
Now I’m not blindly saying that Ashley hasn’t done anything for us. Our finances are tip-top and they needed sorting out with the losses we were making at the tail end of the Freddy Shepherd era. Those figures are there in black and white and are not the result of some propaganda machine.
However there comes a time when sitting on a load of cash and selling top players has to end. I read somewhere that our net spend over the last five seasons is something like -45 million quid. True a lot of that is inflated by the sale of Carroll and Cabaye and the picking up of players at knockdown prices but it’s still staggering if true.
In this game you need to spend to stand still and we just aren’t going to do that. In fact the last and only time we’ve seen a rush of transfer activity was when our Premier League status was on the line which says an awful lot about the ambition of the club.
Joe Kinnear
What does he do apart from chat a load of lies? He is supposed to be Director of Football but at the moment he’s just basically doing nothing. I didn’t think we could get worse than Derek Llambias but it just shows how wrong I was.
In conclusion change has to happen from the top but how can it be engineered? A stay away protest? Generally I’m against things that harm the team but being as we’re pretty much safe, which is why in my eyes we’ve not invested again, why can’t we also use that reason to stay away?
We need to get our point across somehow…
@Aussie
I wouldn’t rule that conspiracy theory out yet. 😉
Troy Stavers(Quote)
Much as I respect JFKs past achievements in Football they were very much in the past and not the present. Never understood his appointment as DOF. Happy to see him go.
Premandup(Quote)
@AUSSIE 😆
aye, the Kinnear takeover from Pards didnt wash with me, unless Pardew has been a stubborn ****** and refused to jump
mark(Quote)
Sounds more like it came down to a “he goes or sack me” challenge from Pardew, which explains his words since Saturday.
Who can Ashley get now to be worse than Wise or JFK? A Colin West and Eric Gates double act?
Gallowgate Terrace West(Quote)
Troy, I rule everything you say out! 😛
Aussie Magpie Fan(Quote)
I reckon the media spot-light, chants from the crowd and JFK’s reluctance to carry out MA’s policies has led to him leaving.
For all he was a friend of MA he was a football man and probably didnt like the bullshit he had to feed to the fans
It aint over yet tho. Mike will still run it the way he sees fit..
mark(Quote)
Mark, aye that’s what worries me mate, we’ve had the high with joe going, now get ready for the next low, and there will be one there always is 🙁
KIMTOON(Quote)
Well thats my tipping point to lose Cabaye is one thing but to lose a man of such experince… 😆
CC(Quote)
@Kim
aye I wonder who the next patsy is. Money talks and dignity walks for some people.
I bet Pards isn’t quick to say hes sad to see him go 😆
mark(Quote)
See ya later, Kinnear! 😆
What a waste of half a year’s wages.
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
I guess with the loss of JFK it also means the loss of our direct line to all the top managers in world football, which will result in it being a lot harder for us to bring in players.
This could be a real chance for Jabba to try to turn things around by bringing in a real good replacement in for JFK and Lambsass
Big Dave(Quote)
Dont bother with a new DoF. Let Pardew handle transfers with Carr. We then see what he’s really made of.
Shamrock(Quote)
Joe has gone but the fool, Pardew , is still here.
I would have been a lot happier if Pardew had also gone.
I fear that Pardew might now have a stronger hand to keep his ‘favourites’ at the club.
sidekick(Quote)
@Aussie
You know you hang on every post I write 😉
Troy Stavers(Quote)
Did Pardew ever work with Cortese at Saints?.
What worries me is that Damien Comolli is also still out of work as well.
I think if MA decides to leave it to Pardew and Carr, then it would make sense to add another coach/ head coach to concentrate on the players.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Well . . . I did mention yesterday that JFK didn’t actually have a job at NUFC. Didn’t realise how right I was!
georgio(Quote)
Sharpy I’d like that to be the case too, in that scenario. I believe Pardew needs somebody strong and astute next to him to help with Plan B’s, which Pards appears to repeatedly struggle with.
Shamrock(Quote)
Derek Llambias is the obvious choice.
He was tipped for the S’ton job and is still looking for a new role 😯
mark(Quote)
Shamrock – Stu Pearce?
Mark – I want the club to move forward, not backwards mate. DL left coz he had taken us as far as he could
Sharpy17(Quote)
@Sharpy.
We all want that m8.
We’ll see if MA feels the same with his next appointment.
mark(Quote)
ssn are saying that the club wont be bringing in a dof for the time being.in pards we trust.lol
hitman(Quote)
There’s a thought. Nicola Cortese would be great.
Supposedly MA isn’t thinking about a replacement yet. Which to me feels like a disaster waiting to happen, unless Pardew/Carr/Charnley is going to be the long-term transfer team.
What are the odds that Ashley decides to hire a new DoF in the middle of the Summer transfer window again? Thus wasting ANOTHER opportunity to strengthen the squad.
blip(Quote)
the whole thing is a ploy,kidding the fans he is doing something,its a straight exchange owlheed will walk back in and start talking a right load of ****
icedog(Quote)
Mark – I’m not going to pretend I know how to run a football club or manage a team, so I can throw names round with everyone. But all I want from MA is for him to realise that these positions are worth their wages. He’s paid peanuts and got a monkey, so go out and get the best possible people in, ones with the experience and who have recent experience in being in football.
Sharpy17(Quote)
the only time owlheed spoke the truth was when he said; fans dont know how evil we can be,nowt changes with jabba
icedog(Quote)
See a couple of journos saying it might be the tipping point for Ashley. Maybe ready to finally sell and get rid of the club. Hope so and hope if serious he’ll be realistic with asking price.
Stuart79(Quote)
SHARPY you keep on dreaming mate nowt wrong with that,me ill stick with a nightmare 😆 😆
icedog(Quote)
STUART,you keep dreaming too,no way will jabba give up a money making machine for doing nowt
icedog(Quote)
Ice – I’m trying not to dream mate. It’s amazing some of the names being thrown about. This article starts with them all being ******* and us wanting rid of them all. Then JFK resigns and we all think MA now gives a ****!.
I would like to think that what I hope for is more realistic than a dream.
Anyway, now JFK has left MA has ran out of mates to give a job to 😆
Sharpy17(Quote)
Pardew having anything to do with transfers is the last thing I want. Obertan anyone? I think we would end up with a team of hoofing, kick and rush giants totally lacking in technical skills.
Groucho(Quote)
SHARPY sorry mate but imo owlheed will walk straight back in,jabba offered him the rangers job but it was to far for the poor lad,he will return
icedog(Quote)
Ice – I don’t want Owlheed back but I’d take him over JFK anyday mate!. At least he worked for his money.
The thing is, Shearer hit the nail on the head on MOTD last night. It doesn’t matter who you get in, there’s only 1 man who signs the cheques and if he doesn’t put pen to paper then nowt happens.
Sharpy17(Quote)
so mike has put uncle joe on zero-hours – you’ve gotta laugh like.
it would be a crying shame if he has bought his silence & we miss out on his comedy classics over the next few days.
howay joe – get it off your chest!
roy cropper(Quote)
GROUCHO spot on mate
icedog(Quote)
What if Kinnear walked because he refused to put up with Ashley and Pardew’s facade. 😉 😆
Regardless. We can now be reasonably assured that he won’t walk into Pardew’s role as manager if he gets the boot. So lets sack Pardew and get a decent manager. 😆
JJ(Quote)
Roy I dont think it matters if Jabba bought his silence, once he gets a few drinks down his neck and gets a phone call from talksport or someone im sure he will talk 😆
Big Dave(Quote)
big dave – fingers crossed 😉
roy cropper(Quote)
I think toonsy can’t believe how great that the moment this article was published out, Mr Joe resign. 😆 😆
Can i request toonsy to publish another “Tipping point” article targeting Mike Ashely? 😈 😆 😆
AngelOfDeath(Quote)
Groucho – I think Obertan was a one off to be fair, and I don’t think Carr would see a signing like that again. I don’t believe the likes of Cabella or Grenier was JFKs idea like.
Sharpy17(Quote)
The Queens Legs pub-
{Harry} – Hey Joe, you’re back quick, how’s that new job going aap norf?
{Joe} – Oh I packed it in ‘Arry, well Mike slipped me some purples to say I resigned.
{Harry}- Already Joe, you weren’t back long!
{Joe}- It was a nightmare ‘Arry, it’s a frigging circus up there, they called me Coco the clown and took the ****, I’m registered dyslexic ‘Arry, what I ‘aint seen in football you could write on a stamp, I’ll show them!
{Harry}- Oh well Joe, you got some beer money in that’s the main thing, get them in Joe!
{Joe}- Too right ‘Arry, I’ll tell ya! Have you got the number for Lambeesze? Mickys lost his blowa aghain!
DJG(Quote)
I have an idea. Why not Alan Shearer himself as Newcastle Sporting Director?
Same like how Zidane in the past works for Real Madrid.
2 Good points of the appointment.
1. A legend in Newcastle.
2. An ex-player with great reputation and spending 1 decade in Newcastle, surely can do persuading/attract players on the greatness of playing in Newcastle.
1 Bad point.
1. Will Alan Shearer wants to work with Mike Ashely? 🙄
AngelOfDeath(Quote)
AoD – I understand where you’re coming from mate but I don’t see Shearer EVER working with Ashley!.
I’d be happy to see Stu Pearce added to the team though.
Sharpy17(Quote)
For all the names that are going to be bandied about over who gets the job next , it could be for nothing . Maybe Jabba has finally sussed that a DOF does not work in the English game and will finally let his Manager manage the team and make the signings alongside Carr and the club secretary . It did not work with Wise and it hasnt worked with Kinnear maybe finally the pennys dropped even though JK knew all their is too know about football and is much cleverer than all us Geordies 😆 🙄 😉
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Mark Douglas @MsiDouglas · 2 hrs
OPINION: He lost his phone and then lost his job. Thoughts on Kinnear leaving #nufc & dark chapter coming to an end: http://www.thejournal.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/mark-douglas-joe-kinnears-resignation-6669707 …
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Stuart Rain @swrain79 · 2 hrs
@MsiDouglas Good piece. Interesting theory about Ashley selling. Businesses are often prepared for sale and maybe it’s the case. Buyer?
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Mark Douglas @MsiDouglas · 2 hrs
@swrain79 No buyer, that’s the problem for all parties. But the same whispers I heard about Kinnear suggested MA is now open to it..
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KIMTOON(Quote)
I think Shearer as DoF would be a bad idea.
He’s said himself that he doesn’t ever think he’ll get back into the profession as manager & i don’t think he has the necessary knowhow to do the job right.
Should Pardew be able to decide who comes in, who stays & who goes?
No way!
This is the same guy that would like to give Shola a new contract & would like to sign Darren Bent!
Our transfers in have been the best in the league so lets not change it.
@Lionel Speed
Yes, we’ve played some good football & we’ve played some bad football. Is that enough to justify a League One manager being our manager? No.
Which other clubs in the Premier League would rather swap their manager for Alan Pardew? Probably none.
That should be enough to tell you that he’s not good enough to be managing in the premier league.
I honestly believe he’s as good (or as bad) as Sam Allardyce & Joe Kinnear. At least Joe Kinnear had achieved more in his career.
Pardew was ripe for being sacked last summer. The only thing to stoo those calls was when Kinnear was hired.
Pardew is ripe fpr being sacked now. Hopefully we’re not so easily appeased with the departure of Joe. I’m not but you sound like you are?
KK(Quote)
says it all really
http://www.nufc.co.uk/articles/20140203/club-statement-joe-kinnear_2281670_3652469
KIMTOON(Quote)
KIM dare we dream? not holding my breath mate,did lewis manage to get a kip then?,and you of coarse
icedog(Quote)
David O’Leary is desperate for a return to football or Dennis Wise ?
I don’t think it’s all Joe’s fault. Ashley will **** up again and i’m prepared this time. Joe probably got his 3 year’s wages paid in full.
Joe Kinnear(Quote)
Our performance on the pitch was down to Pardew, not Kinnear
KK(Quote)
http://talkingbaws.com/2014/02/04/newcastle-airport-respond-to-requests-for-joe-kinnears-smooth-exit-from-the-city/
KIMTOON(Quote)
Ice ,Yeah he was so tired, been to my folks with him this morning as dad had a gp visit arranged. Lew is full of cold and has a on/off nose bleed too plus a hacking cough poor thing . He’s chilling on the sofa with me now. 😀
KIMTOON(Quote)
KIM you keep chilling mate 😉
icedog(Quote)
K.TDé @KTD89 · 23 mins
The Daily Mirror on Kinnear: “A serial loser of his mobile, which was often found with dozens if missed calls from agents..” What a mug.
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Mark Douglas @MsiDouglas · 20 mins
@KTD89 Just wait until my stuff tomorrow…
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Andrew Bradley @Grimble5 · 14 mins
@MsiDouglas @KTD89 why did this wait until he resigned to come out? Surely in NUFC interest to know before now?
KIMTOON(Quote)
KIM keep up with the imfo mate 😉
icedog(Quote)
Interesting from Don Hutch, the bit about his dads funeral is shocking 😯
http://www.thejournal.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/don-hutchison-gives-view-tyne-wear-6670477
KIMTOON(Quote)
Fair points, KK, but I don’t believe he deserves to be sacked at this point. Last summer, I was hoping we would go for Poyet but Pardew has done enough to show he can get the team playing, though, I absolutely agree he was responsible for the way we played on Sunday, even if their were reasons, just as there were at the beginning of last season when we didn’t support him and the mood was soured in the squad.
I believe he should be judged on the good he has done this year so far and then, most importantly, on how reacts and how we are from now to the end of the season. If he unites the squad and gets them playing good footy and keeps us in and around 4th- 6th he should stay, if not he should be sacked. It is the way and the style of play we go for from now until the rest of the season that I will judge him in. If he thinks decent football was only because of Cabaye and plays hoof ball for the rest of the season, he can go back to The Championship.
I am actually interested to see what he does, after all we are not under pressure from relegation. So, now we will really see what he is made of. If you are right you are right, we’ll see.
Lionel Speed(Quote)
not sure about the stories regarding him wanting to sell up now. hasnt that always been the case? finding a buyer is the problem.
mark(Quote)
When I said “we didn’t support him”, I meant Ashley [in the transfer window] not “we”.
Lionel Speed(Quote)
I know a few fans who have given notice to cancel their season ticket , but I have heard that up to 4000 fans may have done this.
That is far more than I thought would do so and , if true , would certainly have concerned Ashley.
sidekick(Quote)
@lionel speed
Interesting point of view. I think it’s safer to change managers now rather than in the summer though.
So are there better managers that would come here & would mike ashley hire them?
Yes, you gave a good example – Gus Poyet.
I think Poyet is a decent manager but not a good manager. However he’s certainly improving.
If there are other managers like poyet that are realistic improvements on the current management, then we should bemaking the change now.
It’s the same with players. Could we get a better right back than Simpson & if we could then we should.
We did replace simpson (who was solid for us) with a much better Debuchy.
Whether we like Patdew or not, he’s taken us as far as he can.
The big worry is Kinnear deflecting attention away from Pardew as he did last summer.
Perhaps Mike Ashley is playing us?
KK(Quote)
SIDEKICK,hope your reet mate 😀
icedog(Quote)
No new players cause he’s too busy expanding his empire.
http://www.myretailmedia.com/blog/10431/sports_direct_moves_to_usurp_elverys_buyout.php
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Adam Llambias @AdamLlambias · 3 hrs
Thanks to the #nufc fans for their comments about my dad. Nice or not they all show what makes the nufc fan base very special #passion.
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Ross Palmer @rossp77 · 2 hrs
@AdamLlambias bet you’ve heard some stories. Any that you can share
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Adam Llambias @AdamLlambias · 2 hrs
@rossp77 I think you already know that would be a very foolish thing to do and most certainly not my place either. Sorry
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Ross Palmer @rossp77 · 2 hrs
@AdamLlambias any chance he will go back. As soon as he started to communicate things got better at nufc. Think he would do a good job.
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@AdamLlambias I’ve always been #TeamLlambias
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Adam Llambias @AdamLlambias · 2 hrs
@rossp77 as I said yesterday mate your guess is as good as mine as to what happens next for nufc.
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KIMTOON(Quote)
careful what you wish for in regards to a new owner.. we could end up with some ***** way worse than Ashley.. Everyone is thinking that it will be some rich arab fella when it may not be the case at all.. We could end up like Blackburn!!
I really understand the frustration but not the blind desire to get rid of Ashley regardless of who buys us.. All I see is more misery if it is some mug that doesnt really give a **** about the club..
Aussie Magpie Fan(Quote)
There is a Singapore billionaire named Peter Lim who once tried to buy Liverpool but got rejected, and now is attempting to buyout Valencia…
If only i got the contact of him, i sincerely persuade him to make a bid to buy Newcastle. He is genuinely a football guy.
http://www.forbes.com/profile/peter-lim/
AngelOfDeath(Quote)
To be honest, Pardew/Charnley/Carr is probably what we need in a transfer team.
As much I agree with people on here that Pardew will probably try to buy all of the Carlton Coles of the world, it’s pointless Carr finding him technical players that he’s not going to play.
IF we’re going to keep Pards as manager, he should be talking to potential signings and letting them know how they’d fit into his plans.
Whether we should stick with Pards is another matter altogether…
blip(Quote)
Blip,
Spot on. If we can’t find a better manager then let’s buy some tough physical players that run like dogs and a quality target man so that they suit Pardew.
JJ(Quote)
KK, you say he has taken us as far as he can, but I would say that is because he keeps being shafted by those who buy the players, whoever they are. If he had got what he wanted in the Summer or January, and i doubt he was asking for too much, it seems like we would have been challenging in and around 4th-6th again. Apart from the elite, Mourinho, not sure many other managers would have done much better with the circumstances here.
I am really not sure what “good” manager you are thinking of who, one, would come here, and two, would do better than Pardew – given he finished 5th once and looked certainly on to be challenging in their again, with better football emerging. That is why he absolutely deserves to show us what he has got for the remainder of this season.
The only Managers (forgetting Mourinho and Wenger) in The Premiership at present that I would have replacing Pardew – based purely on ability – would be Rodgers and Lambert.
Lionel Speed(Quote)
Gouffran is a Pardew type player but he needs someone to find those players for him or we end up with Obertans. De Jong may be a Pardew player. I think he may settle in and be of some use. Sammyobi also but we will need a lot more in the summer.
DJG(Quote)
People seem to be forgetting that Sunderland still have to play all of the top 7 with six of them away from home and have some enormous six pointers against teams in and around them; Matches they havent done particularly well in. Poyets flash in the pan reputation could be on its **** again in a couple of months time.
Pardew like Poyet has also got to a cup final, Has promotions and lower league tin pots on his CV but unlike him has also led us and west ham back into europe, Won both manager of the season awards and is on for his 3rd top half PL finish as a manager would be his 4th without the west brom farce a couple of years back.
Poyets done **** to justify replacing Pardew there are better managers out there who possibly could do a better job (Few of which would work for Ashley) Poyet isnt one fo them…
CC(Quote)
Aussie they wanted a “football man” in to replace Llambias they got what they wished for. They contradict themselves with every argument or point they make. Don’t let logic stand in the way of peoples ranting and raving.
Shearer is a tool i don’t want him to have any power within the club.
I see the bullshit brigades are out in full swing all over the web, spreading misinformation and lies.
Santii(Quote)
So what if Kinnear’s gone? The big change is no change. Unless you count Williamson reverting to hoofball again.
georgio(Quote)
@Lionel Speed
‘The only Managers (forgetting Mourinho and Wenger) in The Premiership at present that I would have replacing Pardew – based purely on ability – would be Rodgers and Lambert.’
Pardew is certainly not better than Pellegrini, Pochettino, Martinez or even Moyes?
I also don’t think he’s been shafted in terms of transfers. Our transfers in have been fantastic. We have the best squad since the SBR days so i’m not sure how he could have been shafted.
If Villa fans, Everton fans, Spurs fans, Man City, Man Utd fans etc would not want Pardew, it’s because they ALL think Pardew is a worse manager than what they have at the moment.
KK(Quote)
JJ & BLIP have got it right.
For us to get the best out of the players, either:
1) Replace the players we have (& Carr) with Robbie Savage, Shola Ameobi, Darren Bent type players or
2) Replace the manager with Frank De Boer, Phillipe Montanier, Fatih Terim type managers.
I know which option i’d pick.
It’s 3 years now & we still haven’t aligned the players we buy with the playing style that Pardew wants to play.
Carr or Pardew out. One of them needs to go.
https://www.nufcblog.co.uk/2013/05/21/carr-or-pardew-to-go-mike-ashleys-big-decision/
KK(Quote)
Not my words but an article written on here 9 months ago yet it still describes what happened a couple of days ago!
‘You can see during a match that there is no movement, no shape, no idea as to what to do, there is no support, belief, culture and ethos for each player.’
‘There is no point of another transfer window buying skillful hard-working players that Carr targets if Alan Pardew is here, as that’s not what he wants. Pardew will never get the best out of that type of player.’
‘Our current players and no doubt targets clearly play football at a level above his capability or understanding for him to get the best out of them.’
KK(Quote)