Game On! Everton Vs Newcastle United

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United travel to Goodison Park to face Everton in todays Barclays Premier League (4pm kick-off). When the sides met earlier this season United were victorious in a five-goal festive thriller at St. James’ Park, with Papiss Cisse, Ayoze Perez and Jack Colback on target. Papiss Cisse serves the first game of a seven-match suspension but United are boosted by the return of Jack Colback following a two-game ban. French forward Remy Cabella and goalkeeper Rob Elliot also return to the squad after respective knee and thigh complaints, however Haidara (knee) and Mehdi Abeid (thigh) will both miss out.
Everton- Midfielder Gareth Barry will not be involved as he begins a two-match ban. Defender John Stones is expected to be fit following illness, while on-loan winger Aaron Lennon is available again after being ineligible for the Toffees’ Europa League tie. Left-back Leighton Baines faes a late fitness test on a thigh injury but Aiden McGeady (knee), Steven Pienaar (knee), Bryan Oviedo (hamstring) and Tony Hibbert (knee) are all ruled out.

Newcastle United Krul; Janmaat, Coloccini (c), Williamson, R.Taylor; Colback, Sissoko; Obertan, Gouffran, Ameobi; Rivière.

Subs Elliot, Satka, Anita, Gutierrez, Cabella, Armstrong, Perez.

Everton Howard, Baines, Jagielka (c), Alcaraz, Coleman, McCarthy, Gibson, Lennon, Osman, Kone, Lukaku

Subs Joel, Naismith, Besic, Atsu, Barkley, Stones, Garbutt



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290 thoughts on “Game On! Everton Vs Newcastle United

  1. My main point, Sharpy is that many on here thought we had a squad better or at least as good as last season. We have never in a million years had a squad even as good as last season. The stats show that now.

    The problem is that even after years of evidence people still try and see positives even when they aren’t there. Fair play but it does make people look rather strange.

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  2. Terry – I don’t disagree, but what has that got to do with my attitude mate? πŸ˜†

    Dave – maybe so, but the same comment could be directed to those who wrote him off as a flop ;-). I was hopeful of him getting 7-10 goals, which I think was reasonable. Had he played more regularly, maybe, but rightly so Cisse & Perez have kept him out.

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  3. Just out of interest, Sharpy. Why are you so hopeful of him getting 7-10 goals? What have you seen in his finishing that suggests he can score that many? Danny Ings has struggled to score that many and you rate him don’t you?

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  4. Stu – I don’t remember many saying the squad was better (in fact I don’t remember any), but I was one who believed the squad was as good – at the same time, I was annoyed that we yet again failed to progress by getting in that quality CB and CF we clearly needed.
    At the time of posting those comments I believed that to be the case – but then we allow Ben Arfa & Mapou to go out on loan without replacing them and we weaken that squad. We then allow Pardew to leave for Palace and don’t replace him – I know that’s not playing staff, but it weakens us. Then Jan comes & goes and we bring nobody in and allow Santon to leave and it weakens us further. Add to that all the injuries & suspensions, then I think the fact we are 12th and a win away from safety probably should be seen as a positive – depending on which side of the fence your say that is.

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  5. Sharpy sorry mate but I dont think he would have scored that even if he played most games, and I think the fact that he hasnt played that many games tells you that the club dont think he would score that many either.
    And maybe the ones that wrote him off, wrote him off after watching him play. I know I never wrote him off but as I said after watching him play I didnt have much hope for him

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  6. Hitman

    The player you rated, Riviere must have one of the worst goal records at the toon for a striker.

    Yet you believe Pardew has one of the worst managerial records at the toon?

    I think you’ll find he’s one of the limited number of managers to survive for over 4 yrs. First season 5th, last season 8th and mid table the others.

    Many managers percentage rates would have been far worse had they been given 4 yrs.

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  7. I have said many times you cannot judge any player coming from abroad into the PL its a wholely different ball game,you can hope or guess what they bring to any club even then very very few hit the ground running,that’s where jabba falls down again,keeping a bare bones squad injury kicks in but new players just don’t have time to adapt to the PL,the ones that do get sold on so get used to the jabba way

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  8. there you go again twisting things,i never says i rated him i says i thought he might get us some goals.troll boy.the stats are there for all to see on percy.

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  9. Stu – as I’ve already said, I thought he would have played more games than he has at the time I posted that. 7 goals would give him a 1 in 5 conversion rate, which is fair I think. A good winger or midfielder should be aiming for that I reckon. Leon Best scored 10 in 42 for us, and Shola was a 1 in 6 forward, and I was hopeful he’d do better than him. That was my rationale behind it anyway

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  10. Ice your spot on that you can’t tell if a player from a different lge will make it in the prem. But from watching hing him you can form an opinion if you think he could, and add to that , that you can normally see something in the players game that would give you hope. But in the time that Riv has been playing for us I still haven’t seen owt from him that gives me hope

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  11. DAVE I agree with you on Riv, in pre-season on tour he scored a couple of canny goals and his movement looked good but its wasn’t the PL where he’s showed nowt

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  12. Dave – I think my last post to Stu sums up what my thoughts and hopes for Riv were at the start of the season. I wasn’t being unrealistic with my expectations of the lad. I thought he’d be on par (hopefully better) than Best, certainly better than Shola in terms of goals. At the mo I’d just love him to get off the mark and see what that does for him and his confidence.

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  13. SHARPY well Carr must have thought he was better than what we have or jabba would not have forked out 6 mil or whatever for him,thing is proof the pudding is in the eating or maybe Carr thinks our coaches are better than what they really are

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  14. ffs the parsnip himself said we had the strongest squad we have ever had this season.
    I think he genuinely believed that to be true.
    muppet

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  15. Ice – Carr has obviously brought in Ba, Remy and Cisse so has an eye for a good forward. But he’s also brought in Luuk De Jong, Riviere and I don’t know how much input he had in Chucky – not much for that one I reckon to be fair. He obviously saw something there, but there are no guarantees I guess.

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  16. Hello all, long time no see

    The injuries havent helped, the fact the board are so inept is another thing. Carver just isnt good enough IMHO. Why on earth has Perez been rested/ He has been our most creative player. He shouldve been playing with Riv at least. How Cabella isnt in the team Ill never know. Why not a perez/cabella front line? Oh that would mean the long hoof ball tactics wouldnt work would they. Pathetic.

    I seriously hope that someone, anyone speaks to Mike and makes him realise that we need to get a decent manager/head coach in NOW to prepare properly for the summer. We are in real danger of being sucked down, especially with Villa finding some form tanks to our friendly mackem mates. We may well have enough points to survive, but thats due to there being 3 worse teams, and nothing to do with us being good enough.

    A new man in NOW to plan for the summer exodus which clearly has to happen, And a new skipper is a must for me

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  17. SHARPY well I see de-jong is banging them in now in fact top scorer I think,PL is hard or as I said are our coaches good enough to get the best out of them going by the way they have played some of our players in wrong positions there are many many examples of it in fact de-jong has said toon played him out of position so to do that “and”try to adapt to PL is rough

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  18. Parver could force the fatmans hand by quitting NOW
    He won’t of course despite how much he loves the club.
    He is SOOO far out of his depth it simply beggars belief.
    If it wasn’t so serious, it would be funny

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  19. Cheers Ice

    Im also sick to death of the, hes one of us, hes a geordie rhetoric. Doesnt make him the best man for the job. He clearly isnt.

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  20. Watching the higlights and Lukaku really did just dick all over us, and he’s not even in grreat form. That’s th frustrating thing with where we are, Everton actually willing to go out and spend on proven quality. Lukaku had a lot of doubters and people were jumping on him as evidence of misspnding on one player. He’s been mismanaged and given really poor service most of the season, and he;s still scored 17 goals.

    Meanwhile we’ve spread the money and only done really well with Perez.

    Cabella, Riv and Siem or Lukaku? Know what I’d have preferred.

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  21. I know where your coming from, but I dont think Riv or cabella have been played in their best positions. You could argue that a front three of Riv with Cabella and Perez behind would see the best out of them. Riv needs a partner, cabella is a #10. Neither have been played in their best position all season, no wonder they look like fish out of water

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  22. Lovely headline from NUFC.com :-
    Premier League:
    Rudderless and rotten

    Everton 3 Newcastle 0

    Newcastle’s aim of mid-table mediocrity was shown to be massively over-optimistic by relegation-threatened Everton, who wiped the floor with John Carver’s side of misfits at Goodison Park on Sunday afternoon.

    Beautiful

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  23. On the Rivi debate, he has been shocking no doubt but the little we saw pre-season showed a pacy, clever player and it’s not unreasonable to of thought we had bought a tidy player. As ever the adjustment to the premier league is harder for some than others. His pace and positioning is actually not that bad, it’s just his woeful finishing that does for him, sadly as a forward that’s the most important part of his game. If he could just bag a goal in the PL ( he’s done it in the cups ) it just might set him on a run of form. The truth is though we don’t have the luxury of time to afford him that, especially when we have the confident Perez who can score.

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  24. It’d be nice to have a decent football team to support instead of this bunch of donkeys (Sissoko and Colback excepted). This lot are well off the pace, except in some increasingly isolated patches. Luckily, most of the PL is as well.

    Carver has made no difference whatsoever to the gameplan we had under that other guy.

    Riviere looks way out of his depth. Obertan is next to useless – useless being Gouffran.

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  25. Carver is going to be subject to the same abuse as Pards. At least give the bloke a chance. Any formation with that squad is going to struggle. He’s playing teams from now on in without a striker.

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  26. Tut tut, Stu. Haven’t you heard that snide comments are not welcome on here and sarcasm is frowned on by … er… you.

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  27. This is Carver’s chance, Troy, and in game after game the team is set up far more loosely than under Pardew, and just about any team that can take the chances we inevitably give up will stuff a team set up to be that open. I don’t mind the decisions to rest Perez / actually give Riv a run, even if only to see if he really can’t make it, but Carver’s not showing any capacity for changing his open tactics or for game management. Like you, i always said that we should stick with a manager long-term and I always (until just before the Leicester game) said that Pards was as good as we were going to get – but everything I am seeing says that Carver is a big step down from Pards and that we need to get behind the next managers through the lows as well as highs, long-term, but that shouldn’t be Carver.

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  28. Tory Boy @ 257 – That’s his own fault, he knew the score before he begged for the job. Nee sympathy from me.
    Parver is trying to manage exactly the same way as Percy. For that he deserves all the abuse he is going to get.
    He should have made it clear the squad is too weak before taking the gig.
    He is just another patsy, giving us more of the same.
    Why should he be treated any differently πŸ˜•

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  29. GTE – Parver was always going to be a step DOWN
    He has virtually zero management experience.
    He is good at putting the cones out and making Tea.
    That’s about it.
    It’s laughable that he is even being considered for the job permanently.
    It will only end in tears.

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  30. It’s true Hitman – if we’re looking for crumbs of comfort then as well as the Mackems anybody from 10th down has cocked up. (Leaving the promoted sides apart).

    BB – too true mate. We’ll go into next season with one of the cheapest squads in the league. If we also go into next season with Carver in place, we can expect the relegation battle we’ll deserve. I find myself hoping that the mackem game is similarly embarrassing – just so the board invests in a new coach.

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  31. Our squad is lacking leadership and motivation. Both from the manager and the senior players. Carver is a blue collar manager trying to motivate highly paid footballers to better things..and failing..he is out of his depth and not the man for the job.. thanks for carrying the can until the seasons end John, but do everyone a favour and withdraw your interest in the managers role!

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  32. yes GTE a similar 3-0 defeat to the filth should hopefully seal Parvers fate.
    But with this regime that kind of logic doesn’t hold.

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  33. I’m waiting for Troy to dismiss this as not getting behind the manager / he predicted this etc.

    On a happier note, the mackems could get big Sam πŸ˜€

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  34. Its not only Carver imo our coaching and medical staff are a poor standard,players (the odd ones) that come into the club seem to go backwards,club needs a bloody good clean out top to bottom,will it happen no chance jabba will always take the cheap way

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  35. Something’s gone badly wrong there, Hitman – he looked like he really knew how to organise a defence and was going to build them a competitive team, which for them is miracle working, but whether he can’t take the pressure or he can’t handle the bigger players or there’s stuff behind the scenes, he looks to have lost it.

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  36. My view is that better coaches won’t come to NUFC due to financial retrictions in both player recruitment and their own renumeration. We are well known for not paying staff too well compared to other PL clubs and that is what will hold us back. You get what you pay for.

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  37. Well Stuart that can only go one way then, unless they get lucky with the cheap option.
    They got lucky with Percy, but even he bailed out at the first good opportunity.
    ffs he went from NUFC to a relegation threatened team.
    That says it all really.

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  38. BB – It says everthing when ALL Ashley’s appointments have been either out of work or already at the club. It’s becasue they’re cheap and inveriably sub standard.

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  39. The only thing I can think, is that Ashley is happy to dump us into the championship, debt free, with a cheap team and very low overheads.
    He will happily leave us there to rot.
    His ultimate revenge against the fans.

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  40. Said for years that the coaching set up at SJP is below par. There was an obsession with the manager “Pardewing” players, and running our set pieces into the ground, when it’s pretty clear a manager in the PL isn’t going to be directing the training down to the smallest details. Palace certainly don’t have any troubles scoring repeatedly from set pieces.

    Look at how Swansea have played under numerous managers – and southampton as well, they have been tweaked yes, but the ethos (coming from the coaches behind the scenes) has always remained.

    The drubbings we take so regularly – in part obviously to managers, but we have no bloody leaders. Said it time and time again. Cabaye was looked up to and even he wasn’t fussed about being here – and he would lash out in tackles just as Colo does when he loses his head.

    Colo has now had at least several more straight reds than Tiote has while he’s been here, just shows you he can’t control himself.

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  41. I just don’t get those thinking that Riviere might come good if it wasn’t for this or that. The bloke can’t even control a football. He is utterly useless, Gouffran’s little better, and Obertan worse. Watching the three of them yesterday trying to play football was embarrasing.

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  42. [email protected] – Spot on mate. The real problem as usual is Ashley. When the new guys came in at Rangers they couldn’t believe how few staff there were. Same at SJP. Who are the medical guys? Who is responsible for fitness regimes? Who’s monitoring it all? There’s nobody there!
    Watching those two thickos on the bench yesterday whispering to each other made my blood boil!

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  43. Georgio – the chief scout has to take much of the blame for the gash quality of our players.
    I expect he has his hands tied up by fatman though tbh.
    It’s time the old fella retired imho

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  44. Wow! Graham Carr is now getting hammered and advised to retire. πŸ™„

    It doesn’t occur to Betsy (the same Betsy that said Pards was out of his depth as a premier league manager and still believes that) that Carr recommends many players which would likely be great additions but the negotiations break down when it comes to wages and fees.
    Many of the players brought in will be 2nd or 3rd choices for Carr.
    He’s working on an absolute shoestring budget and it is not his fault transfer windows draw a blank.

    He’s done a crackin job for the club, one of the only plus points in the Ashley era.

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  45. It could be said of Carr that his hands are tight pretty tight. After all, he can only look at realistic players with a very low budget, who have a lot of potential and a sell on value. It’s quite a big ask.

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  46. I would say that paying second or third rate wages and only low transfer fees / out of contract or loans but still getting winners in Cabaye, Remy (we saw him first, remember), Sissoko Ben Arfa and Cisse, and young kids with evident potential in Santon, Haidara, Perez and Abeid, doesn’t make Carr look too bad – plus some of his finds, such as MYM and Marveaux and look to have had the skills but not the right management and jury remains out on Cabaye and S. de Jong. Yes, some duds as well – but I would say that our ratio of ‘hits’ to misses on incoming transfers over the seasons since return to PL is as good as that of any club.

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  47. Ive seen Riviere Obertan Gouffran play for years before coming to Newcastle, really a bunch of not even very average players and all those transferts made shocked me at the highest level. When you see them you realise we have far worse problems as players than Williamson

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  48. Now I just hope that Satka will get his chance, nothing to lose, nothing to fear. And put Jonas as DM with Colback, Aarons Sissoko Ayoze behind Ameobi upfront in 433

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  49. Ba>Carroll>Cisse>Remy>Ayoze>Best>Shola>Lovenkrands>Xisco>Riviere>Gouffran. And Chucky Ferreyra is also better than Gouffran and Riviere, but somehow there is an issue with him. Armstrong shows more, and Im sure Campbell can be better than both. Vuckic upfront is a better option too.

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  50. Cholo, we still havem’t replaced Ba and I wouldn’t bet against us taking as long to replace Cabaye or Mbiwa either.

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