Now I’m no Mike Ashley fan as you know, but the bloke must be tearing his hair out at what he’s seeing right now.
He has intrusted his board to spend the clubs money and equip us with the personal to right the sinking ship that was Newcastle united last season. The problem is, it was always going to take a lot more than £50m to put us back on track due to the fact other teams are so far ahead already and have strengthened in the summer, we are in effect playing catch up. The board should be aware of this and should of made it clear to him that a massive clear out was in order and some real Premier League experienced players HAD to come in.
The fact that this hasn’t been pressed home to Mike is either negligence on their collective parts or they are towing the party line. Maybe Mike Ashley is dead set on this young one for the future policy we have. Still I can’t help feeling, if the collective board all made it clear it could send us down because of lack of on field experience ; you would think being an astute business man he’d pay heed to such advice.
Well we have what we have now, until january anyway, given this situation we must stick with the manager and players until the next window. There has been talk of dressing room problems with one or two players, isn’t there always? If true they must be dropped from the first team and kept away from them and put in the reserves to rot until they can be sold. We have the whole football world on our backs we don’t need to have our own players and fans turning on each other, not 6 games into the season.
The amount of vitriol from ex pro’s, pundits and the media is looking like bullying now and we must unite to fend them off in my opinion. Ofcourse there is an argument that says this is what happens when you ban various press outlets and have prefered media partners . Frankly there is no excuse for some of the over the top slating of the club this week end. Yes we have young unexperienced players who may or may not make the grade but to write them off in the way some have is well over the top.
Right now some aren’t up to it, I would agree but that is not their fault, that blunder lay at the door of our recruitment department, but even Mr Carr may have his hands tied, who knows. Let’s try a different tactic and get behind the team and manager, and let the bully boys do their worst. At least this time they can’t blame the fans when it goes to rats.
Kimtoon
http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-united-cant-beat-watford-10129174
kimtoon(Quote)
MM, I’ll pass thanks all the same.
kimtoon(Quote)
Me too
icedog(Quote)
SM deems Aarons not good enough for first team so will send him on loan,can SM tell “who” is good enough for the first team,because I haven’t seen anyone good enough ffs
icedog(Quote)
I know I said we were forewarned about Thavin by L’Equip earlier, but there are other things to consider. This is basically the first few days at a new job in a new company at age 22. None of you can tell me you weren’t nervous at a new job and none of you had 50,000 watching your every move – good and bad. I don’t care how confident you are in your own ability, everything is unfamiliar and in Thauvin’s case literally foreign.
Some players hit the ground running and some take more time. Our newcomers are living out of suitcases in hotels coming into a team that is short of confidence and trying to implement a new system. We should not be too quick to judge, although in our predicament I can see why we are.
To get back to the thread. None of this is helped by it being open season on NUFC. Every newspaper hack, every pundit and every ex-player is chipping in in a race to the bottom to see who can say the worst thing about our club. You would think we had kidnapped all of their puppies, put them in a bag and threw them in the Tyne.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Of course what I said @380 can be turned on its head as a reason why we should have bought Charlie Austin. He knows the language and the culture and at 26 is more experienced. He also has the confidence that he has been to quite a few PL clubs and has worked his way up and travelled the country. He just got married, so he has family to lean on. We play so many games in London and the South he can even meet his mates every few weeks if he wants.
So, although I have sympathy for our young newcomers, I think our transfer policy is seriously flawed. We need to go balanced and not put all of our eggs in the young prospects from Europe basket.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Eric I just hope the new signing’s don’t turn out to be expensive flop’s and relegate the club ( which they will). It doesn’t fill me with that much confidence losing to Sheffield Wednesday and Watford especially at home. Steve McClaren deserves a hard time off the fan’s just like John Carver had to put up with otherwise it isn’t fair. The board and Ashley have messed up big time and next Chelsea. Lambs to the slaughter.
Terry(Quote)
Eric -All reasonable points about new players. There’s a really good argument to say that with 4 new players and a new coach that things will take time to gel and get right. My only worry is that if it carries on we will need Championship winning form to stay up if and when it does go right.
Stuart79(Quote)
Not impressed with this talk of Moyes as a possible replacement for SM. More of the same in my opinion.
I would like to see Callum Roberts given a chance possibly as a sub for Sissoko.
Groucho(Quote)
Stuart if this keeps up we will the “THE” Championship winning form soon.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/34340357
Really good article from Jermaine Jenas here, saying we lack leaders and work ethic. Also says the recruitment policy is all wrong. I agree.
Shamrock(Quote)
Eric, that was one of the points I was alluding to on the thread regarding our newbies. Gini and Mitro and De Jong who I still class a newbie due to his injury, were all class players and well thought of before joining us. It is important to remember how difficult it is adapting to a new culture, club and way of playing in a very physical fast league like ours. That said there has to be hard work out there, lack of effort will not be forgiven as easily as lack of experience. I do think Gini and Co are trying. A little too much in Mitro’s case 🙄 Even the hapless Thauvin is trying, he’s just getting his passes all wrong at the mo. No, the worry for me is the senior players with the exception of Janmaat and to a lesser extent Colback. Sissoko has looked totally uninterested likewise Cisse and Krul seems to of taken to hoofing the ball to Sissoko in the hope of getting a break on which rarely works. Colo looks very poor again and I still think he’s a poor Captain ,his contract extension, the cheap option for which heads really should roll imo. I do think we have some good players but we also have some utter dross and very mediocre players too. We lack a strong spine which every successful team needs and hopefully they will address this in January, and I also hope it isn’t too late by then.
Regarding the game tomorrow, I am hoping most folk will be watching the rugby and miss us getting humiliated should it happen which looks highly likely right now.
It’s got to be awful for the new guys to constantly hear all the hacks saying how **** they are. Imagine you are in a new job and trying to adapt to everything and people are writing you off at every turn, soul destroying I should imagine. Do they hide or come out fighting that’s the question.
kimtoon(Quote)
Shamrock: Jenas was always a better talker than footballer. I would often scratch my head and wonder what he actually did.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Kimtoon: I read your piece again and see I repeated a few things you said but I think it is worth it. I looked at the Daily Mail website and there were 2 articles by their main NATIONAL journalists, Ashton and Samuel, saying how **** we are and really putting the boot in. They don’t often tackle the same topic and certainly not for a club outside of London and Manchester. Then Craig Hope, the NE correspondent, had two articles laying into us. This is for just the one paper mind.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Over here in the US they put up negative things said by other teams or the press on a bulletin board to use as motivation. I am sure that it must be done in football dressing rooms as well. There has been so much material over the past week we should get a few billboard hangers and paper over all the Sports Direct and Wonga signs, therefore serving a double purpose of motivation and removing the tack from the ground.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Eric, the players need to remember the commitment that they showed in the last game of last season when we needed to survive. Pity Jonas isn’t here anymore eh.
kimtoon(Quote)
Kimtoon- You talk as if the West Ham game was a great performance. We were the only team playing for something thas why we won. Last season the games where we showed comittment and our best games were under Pardew, then Cup win at Palace, the winning run where Sammy Ayoze Colback Dummett Abeid Sissoko all had great games.
Cholo A. Sall(Quote)
KIm/Eric – it was always going to be difficult for the new lads. Even more so with the poor team they’ve landed on. However, the PL is a very unforgiving place to take time to settle and before you know it it’s a relegation battle. Some of our regulars – Sissoko, Colo and even Krul have been **** poor up to now not to mention the obvious long list of never good enoughs.
The international break maybe a blessing in disguise – there again half the buggers will be gone anyway.
georgio(Quote)
Had to laugh SM says Chelsea game could be the turning point you must be kidding you have to score to win games we cannot even put a shot on goal ffs
icedog(Quote)
New e-mail out from Charnley…
Stuart79(Quote)
Kim @ 387. Great post. Before the Watford game I added a post saying we had a new head coach, new coaching staff who were integrating 6 new players to the first team – I went with Mit, Gini, Thauvin, Mbemba, Haidara and Anita as I see those last 2 being new having not played much first team footy before Mc.
However as I was sat watching a horrible first half against Watford, it dawned on me that Watford were in exactly the same boat. New manager, 15 new players and newly promoted – yet here’s a team that looked well organised, hard working and able to create and score goals. What’s the difference? – is it simply the fact they are riding high off a promotion and they are on the up, where as our mentality is deflated.
There is no doubt we have talented players as footballers, so is it age or weak mindedness?!. I look at Leicester who have no real star players, yet the work rate of players Vardy, Mihraz, Albrighton, Drinkwater. Mihraz is clearly talented, but we have talented players in Thauvin, Marveaux – Cabella and Benny were – but they all seem to lack the work ethic of Mihraz. That mentality is down to the player themselves – they have to want to be the best they can be – if not, then there is little any manager or coach can do for them.
Sharpy17(Quote)
i agree with Charnley that there should be no panic or rash decisions, but honesty & action is needed. This rot now spans 3 managers, and is clearly more than just a new coaching team needed.
If it is a case that certain players need moving on, then we do it – even if it’s at a cost. If it’s a change in transfer policies, then we change it – even if it doesn’t result in a financial profit. If it’s a case of dropping underperforming senior player – do it.
It’s time to stop shirking the tough decisions.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Penfold saying what everybody knows
SHARPY who you going to replace some of the **** with?? there isn’t anybody even SM says we have to go with what we have
icedog(Quote)
Ice – agreed, but at least Penfold has come out and acknowledged it. In the past we would have had absolute silence from the club.
Ice – I’d replace an underperforming player with anyone to be honest. There are players in that side that see themselves as undroppable.
Kruls distribution has been ***** – drop him for Darlow. Can he be that much worse.
Colo has been poor – give Lascelles a go.
Sissoko hasn’t done enough for me – give Obertan a go. Hell put Gouffran as a rightsided forward
Thauvin isn’t doing it – put Perez or Aarons in.
Cisse isn’t doing it – put De Jong or again Gouffran in there.
I know managers have to show loyalty & faith in players. But if that loyalty & faith isn’t being repaid, then make the switch.
McClaren said it was a clean slate for ever player – well I don’t see that for the likes of Aarons, Obertan, Gouffran for example. I’m not saying these players are the answer – but Pardews fortunes changed last season when he made the changes and brought Obertan into the side.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Who would have thought we would have had injuries. Cisse and Tiote out, Aarons and Colback doubtful. Taylor out for 2 months…
Yawn yawn yawn
Stuart79(Quote)
Sharpy – what you said about watford being used to winning games doesn’t ring true with me. They signed 15 new players for peanuts and fielded 8 of them against us. How we’re a shambles and they looked organised and calm has got to be down to the coach.
I agree about Gouffran though. He should have played while Mitro’s been out, definitely ahead of SDJ.
georgio(Quote)
Up front I mean.
georgio(Quote)
Georgio – I’m not saying it was the reason, just offering it as a suggestion. I think the fact they had 2 up front made a big difference too – but as you say, that’s a decision the coach/manager makes.
I personally think Sissoko is being played out of position and this 4-2-3-1 formation does not suit him or Gini. They are midfield players, not attackers, so it’s not in his nature to get into the box. As a result we usually have nobody in the box when the widemen are putting the ball into the box. The players are wrong for this formation, and the formation is wrong for accommodating our best players IMO.
Sharpy17(Quote)
The formation does not work. Not even a little bit. Go 442 and play attacking wingers. It’s not like results or performances can get any worse…
Shamrock(Quote)
Sham – I don’t think we have the wingers for a 4-4-2 formation mate. Based on the players we have I think 4-3-3 is the way to go. Now I think players would need improving in the coming windows, but I would go:
———————– Krul ———————–
Janmaat – Mbemba – Lascelles – Dummett
——- Sissoko —- Gini —- Colback ——-
—- Gouffran — Mitrovic — Perez —-
That would at least have the most of our better players playing in their preferred position. ASAP upgrades would be left back & right side forward IMO. But in the meantime, I think at least Gouffran & Perez would get into the box to support Mitrovic. The 3 midfielders are all capable of making those runs forward in support as well.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Sham – I think if we did go 4-4-2 then Janmaat would have to play right wing for me.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Was away and just saw the news for the club. Lost to Wednesday and more signs of panic within the management. When you try to build with lies and deceit it finally comes crashing down. Ashley oot!!!!
GeordieTwo(Quote)
We just don’t have the players. We are woeful up front and very weak in defense. Nothing has changed. The owner has wanted nothing but a series of inexperienced (in the Prem that is) midfielders which he hoped to sell on at huge profit. Think of the number of midfielders we’ve gone through in the last 81/2 years. A list would include: Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Cabella, Sissoko, De Jong, Bigi, Anita, Thauvin, Vuckic, Barton, Tiote, Marveaux…….the list goes on and on. And how many CB’s have we brought in over that same time? Possibly 3, 2 of who are gone? And how many experienced strikers have we outright bought? One. Cisse. Ba was on a free and Remy was a loan. It’s a farce and the piper now has to be paid.
GeordieTwo(Quote)
Why didn’t we go after Vlaar to stabilize the defense? No sell-on value. Why didn’t we pay 15M for Austin? Because we plan to get him on a free next summer (if we’re still in the Prem that is). Why do we chase young, inexperienced French and Belgian players? They will sign for lower wages and could have big sell-on value. Are we building a team to win anything? No. We are a meat market for the idiot at the top.
GeordieTwo(Quote)
i see stevie mac has been bleating on about being in the process of change.
can someone tell him there’s no change – we’re still fcking shyte!
the bloke is deluded big time.
the race is on between him & dickie for who get’s hooked first – my dosh is on stevie.
roy cropper(Quote)
The most disappointing thing of all for me is the lack of commitment by the supporters to get Ashley out. Rallies bring a few hundred or a couple of thousand people. Boycotts are dismissed out of hand. But what happens when people just keep going to the matches and buying Ashley kit? What happens is what you get now. Complete failure. Foreign players who are too young and inexperienced to deal with the Prem. Poor management for year after year. An owner who is completely disengaged and wouldn’t know how to own a winning team if he was handed Chelsea. This won’t work under Ashley. It hasn’t worked and it in fact is getting worse not better. Carr is past it now. He should retire. But until we have a proper owner none of this will happen.
GeordieTwo(Quote)
Charnley saying there should be no panic or rash decisions. (Please Mike don’t sack me 😯 )
Troy Stavers(Quote)
The board is another farce. We need proper engaged football people on the board, and a decent football plan going forward which would involve competing for a top quality manager, and several experienced Prem players. We were better off with Barton and Nolan than we are now with Sissoko and Thauvin. Cabaye was a move in the right direction but he wanted to leave when he saw there was no chance of winning anything or getting into Champions League with us. The owner got a nice profit out of it but then tried to repeat the same process with Thauvin and Cabella before him. This isn’t going to improve under McLaren with Carr and Ashley. We are unlikely to get out of the bottom six this season and yet Ashley will follow the same plan again if we aren’t relegated. Time to vote with your feet lads. Boycott or wait for relegation. Your choice.
GeordieTwo(Quote)
Troy – yeah I would imagine that he & Carr are closer to the chop than McClaren.
Sharpy17(Quote)