Gutted with that. A 90th minute Steve Cook header made it two 1-0 defeats in a week, punishing another lacklustre display.
We could and should have been comfortably in the lead at half time, having created some really good openings in the first half – but it’s all about putting the ball in the back of the net and we seriously lack someone who can do that at the moment.
Bournemouth grew into it and were by far the better side in the second half, but it was self inflicted as much as anything and we really will be left regretting our lack of quality in the final third again – failing to score past a brittle Bournemouth defence despite 16 shots on goal.
Playing Joselu and Gayle initially looked like it could’ve paid dividends, with the pair linking up well in the first half, however the Spaniard’s lack of confidence in front of goal was evident once again here.
The way it panned out, there can’t be too many complaints with the result given our collapse in the second half, however it’s worth mentioning that Dwight Gayle’s disallowed first half goal should have probably stood?!
There are people out there who genuinely think Dwight Gayle was offside…..
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Rafa brought on Perez and Murphy in an ‘attempt’ to liven up a pretty dismal second half display, but he got his subs wrong for me. I’m not Mitrovic’s biggest fan, but he would’ve offered more than those two did.
With Man United next and no game for two weeks, it sends us into the international break on a real downer, however we are still 11th in the table and have to believe that this will be another lesson learned – as hard working and organised as we can be, we are always in danger of these sort of results until we see some more quality brought in up top.
I’m gutted and this week has been a real reality check, but this outlook below is probably a fair one for anyone who decides it’s all doom and gloom after two defeats in a row:
Feeling so gutted right now. Shafted yet again by the linesman and ref. If that goal stood up it would be such a different second half. We blew it in the end. Switched off at the last minute. ?. Not good enough.
Dubai Toon(Quote)
Newcastle stats wont be so optimistic come the New Year. We have had a very easy start to the season on paper.
Taken 5 points from last 18 and lost to Bournemouth, Burnley and Brighton – all games we should be taking something from if we are going to comfortably survive. Man U will thrash us and things will look very different. Only 6 points off relegation zone now.
Drop Joselu ffs. Mitro is the better player, even with his red cards!
shamrock(Quote)
Only comfort I can take from the game is what a top centre half we have in the making,pity he had to change sides when Clark came on and Clark was out jumped by Cook which would not have happened had the captain not gone off,small things but it made a difference,the Mitro thing beats me
Icedog(Quote)
Btw Amstrong got off the mark today. Lets hope his season takes off now!
shamrock(Quote)
Sunderland currently bottom of the Championship…
shamrock(Quote)
This may be clutching at straws but in the 92nd minute there was a clear foul on Gayle that the Ref did not give. I mean as clear as day. The commentators said it on first look and then on replay asked how the Ref didn’t call it as he was 8 yards away. It would have given us a free kick in a very dangerous area. Instead they go up the field and get the corner that led to the goal. Fcked by the Ref and linesman. But… the Joselu experiment must end. Hopefully Mitro will score a hattrick for Serbia and force Rafa’s hand.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
And Shelvey was an idiot today. He gave up a foul and then was called for another that was marginal and clapped the Ref. That is an automatic yellow. Then about a minute later he cleaned out one of their players on the touchline. Took the ball and the man. I have seen them given as yellows many times. It was near the half way line and was just plain stupid.
He should know by now that Refs are just itching to give red cards to NUFC and should not help them out in their continued bias.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
I knew as soon as Merse and Lawro started predicting wins we would have even worse luck. But lets get some perspective as well. Brighton and Huddersfield are being praised to high heavens and they have 1 more point than us.
Also, I see young Murphy being slated by some fans. He entered on 82 minutes. Some are saying he was a waste of money. We have played 11 games and Atsu has done quite well. Rafa needed a winger and he was available so we bought him. Who did we have? Atsu, who was really also an unknown in the PL and only came good for us in the last 6 games of last season. He played 2 games whilst on loan at Bournemouth. Aarons? I like the lad but he is young also and would you bet on his injury record? Maybe we should have got Arnautovic for 25 million?
It is painful to lose in the last few minutes in 2 games in a row but some people need to get a grip. This will happen all year against the other 13 who are not top 6. It will be fine margins.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Eric, your defence of Murphy is admirable and god knows I want him to come good, he’s a Toon fan too. But, at the moment he simply isn’t good enough . He has to get in the weights room like Anita did and get some bulk on him and while he’s at it get some attitude. He has to show opposition players they can’t hustle him or tackle him off the ball. Until that happens he’s a liability imo and it really saddens me to say it.
Watching the game I have to say, we really should of been ahead first half, the saves from Ritchie and Atsu’s long range shots were top class and another keeper wouldn’t maybe of saved them. Gayle was ONSIDE, so ****ed by the lino yet again, but really we need to be better up top and should have made mincemeat of B/mouths fragile defence.
Hoping Merino, Lascelles and Atsu recover very soon , we need them.
Oh and please Rafa give Mitro another chance.
kimtoon(Quote)
We are so toothless up front it’s unbelievable. Those three forwards amount to the worst strike force I can remember. Joselu’s no better than Frank Pingel or Riviere! Why on earth did Rafa spend £17m on Joselu and Murphy when that would have bought a half decent striker. Surely Arma or Toney would offer more and Mitro definitely would. Rafa really puzzles me at times and judging by his comments it’ll be the same again v ManU. We’ll be in trouble by January and it’ll be hard to entice good players to come.
georgio(Quote)
Georgio, I said the same last night, Chris Woods cost just £15m and I don’t understand why we weren’t in for him at all.
kimtoon(Quote)
i think even if we had kept Murphy until jan we would have had a better return imo
icedog(Quote)
Kimtoon: Murphy has started 1 game and been on the bench for the other 10, coming on for the last few minutes 4 times. He has been preferred to Aarons. Perhaps that is because of his price tag. He has played a total of 87 minutes in his NUFC career. I am not prepared to judge him yet.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
I also think it is harsh to say that we got Murphy instead of a striker. He came in early and I think Rafa expected both and then had to settle for Joselu. I am not defending our transfer business but I am reserving judgement on Murphy.
You know what it is like at the Toon. If results are bad there will be moans and scapegoating. Now with social media it is even worse. We don’t want to be ruining his confidence with murmurings in the crowd when he comes on.
That said, I would like to see Aarons get a shot as well.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
And, I thought Gayle was pretty good yesterday. He scored and looked like he had his pace back. He is a better option than Perez but I would not be surprised to see both start at Old Trafford with Joselu on the bench.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Yesterday was that ‘game of 2 halves’ game. I didn’t see us loosing that game in half time. Second half, Elliott was MOTM. We seemed slower in the 2nd half – don’t quite know what happened.
But certainly in the 1st half we looked better as a 4-4-2 with Gayle on there.
I don’t completely agree that we are toothless coz we had chances & Begovic made some good saves to keep us out – and a bent linesman helped too ?. But certainly we lack quality up top & ive seen little from Joselu to suggest he was a better option than Darryl Murphy. Glenn Murray is showing at 34 that he can still do it at Brighton in the PL, and Murphy is the same age.
I’d have take Crouch ahead of Joselu buying a Stoke striker!.
As for Jacob Murphy. I think it’s too early to judge the lad really. He hasn’t had much game time, and most of the times he has come on we have either been behind score wise or on the back foot & he’s been sent on to try and swing the game back in our favour. That’s not easy for an experienced player to do to be fair. I’m not saying he’s good or will come good, but he needs time and more playing time than he’s getting now – but Ritchie and Atsu would be ahead of him.
Sharpy17(Quote)
I sort of agree about Murphy but really he hasn’t even shown he can control the ball when it comes to him. I was expecting much much more. Yesterday he looked like he was someone from the crowd who’d strayed onto the pitch. Dreadful. You’ve got to wonder what’s happened with Aarons too. He scored a great goal in one game he played and was decent in the second but now he’s disappeared totally.
georgio(Quote)
Murphy’s regulation time sub appearances have been for 10, 2, 8 and 8 minutes. I agree he has done nothing but then he hasn’t had much time to make anything happen.
I don’t know if he will come good or not but I just want to get some “narrative” out there because there is a tendency amongst a certain section of NUFC fans to judge and scapegoat. Usually not on here. I am talking about some on Eds and especially Twitter and the Chronic comments which seems to attract a particularly odious kind of troll.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Not much of a consolation, but Mackems lose again. They really are on a death spiral. It will be interesting to see who will take them on.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Just watching the City match. Their 3rd goal clearly offside yet it counted, no flag. Our goal clearly onside and flagged off. There is definitely a different set of rules for the top 4 sides like.
Dubai Toon(Quote)
DT: we wouldn’t have got that Sterling penalty either.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
I don’t particularly like Chelsea or Man U but want Chelsea to win just to make Mourinho even more miserable. He used to have some charm and humour but now he is just one massive pain in the ****.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
well i thought mr Roy was very unlucky today you can see players are trying for him and should have won at Spurs
icedog(Quote)
Eric, I’m certainly not scapegoating the lad, just saying what I see. He is too light weight but I said the same about Anita at the start. Anita got in the weights room and worked bloody hard to build stamina and it pretty much worked. HE was and still is one of my favourite players to of played in recent times, very clever player too.
I want Murphy to come good, he loves the club and it can only be good for us if he does, but at the moment he doesn’t look too hot. I thought we did enough to get at least a point yesterday but the game was crying out for Mitro’s physical presence.
kimtoon(Quote)
I see Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal from Saudi Arabia has been arrested on corruption charges. Knowing our luck he will be the one who’s wanting to buy us…
Stuart79(Quote)
that would be bloody right Stu
icedog(Quote)
I watched the Man Utd game today & I don’t fear them to be honest.
I think Rafa can organise us as well as Conte organised Chelsea today.
Sadly we don’t have a Morata to nick a goal, but I think Rafa would have got something out of that Man Utd side today.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Toxin scores again today,this lad cannot stop scoring
Icedog(Quote)
I’m actually very concerned that our season takes shape like many newly promoted sides. Good start but then limitations are exposed and then a drop down the table becomes a relegation battle. 😕
Stuart79(Quote)
Icedog: the bottom 14 teams are all in the relegation mixer if you ask me. It will be hard for Palace to overcome their start but they would not be the first team to go down that was “too good to go down”. We have managed it twice under the Fatman. Even Burnley are in there as they have punched above their weight and will probably lose their manager.
The international break will be interesting as it looks like it might be Moyes to West Ham and Dyche to Everton. Strange choices really as I thought Moyes was washed up and Everton wanted to play more expansive football.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Basiktas look like they will go through in the CL so they would be mad to sell him. However, I bet we could double his wages so his Agent might well push for it. Depends on if there is a takeover of NUFC?
Eric Sykes(Quote)
I wasn’t referring to you when I said scapegoating. I read a few tweets and the Chronic comments on a few of their articles! Both place are where logic goes to die and where overreacting and kneejerk are the norm.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
I think we could raise the cash with the sale of Mitro ginger heed and a couple more,the club did inquire about Mitro,could there be a exchange there somewhere plus a bit of coarse
Icedog(Quote)
now a mass shooting in Texas church 🙁 worlds gone mad
kimtoon(Quote)
Ice, I read the other day that the lad favours joining us.
kimtoon(Quote)
Kimtoon: what do you think of Moyes to West Ham? Supposedly it could happen tomorrow. I read a while ago that Everton’s average league position in Moyes’ tenure (10 years, I think) was 9th and that they got into Europe once but went out early. I know Everton didn’t have a massive budget but there also wasn’t all of this TV money back then which has levelled the playing field for the smaller clubs. The smaller clubs would come up and if they didn’t go straight back down would last 2 or 3 seasons.
Then there were the yo-yo clubs like West Brom and Palace. And sometimes a club would just royally screw up like us with our first relegation.
Everton had relatively big crowds, an established academy, a big fanbase and some commercial clout. I think Moyes did about par for the course for them, but he was also capable of very slow starts. If he has a slow start at West Ham, they are fcked.
Plus, his demeanor will not get the fans behind him. If he goes in first day and says they are in a relegation battle like he did at Sunderland he is an idiot. He can think it, but he cannot say it. He threw in the towel at Sunderland and always talked them down.
And, you just know he is going to take the same ex-Everton backroom staff with him. At least there aren’t any Everton reserves for him to poach as he took them all to Sunderland.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Yes he does mate,the Sun is reporting that nice lady want deal to be done by December as deal moves closer as she wants to give Rafa funds in January,just hope none of those 11 princes arrested for fiddling are not involved in it or our goose is cooked
Icedog(Quote)
People actually say that Moyes didn’t do that bad of a job at Man U and wasn’t given the funds. Fergie won the league with the team he inherited. That was probably Ferguson’s biggest achievement because there were major holes in that squad. Did Fergie really set up Moyes as his successor to cement his legacy though? That would be Machiavellian even for him. Remember that “Chosen One” flag in the Stretford End?
Moyes at West Ham has the chance to be a disaster. People talk up their squad but it is not that good (any team that starts Mark Noble has a problem). Arnautovic plays well once every 4 games. Stoke must be laughing all the way to the bank.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Where has the ruthless Rafa gone? The one that sacked Sels and then dumped Darlow and didn’t even give Krul a second thought? The one that didn’t just put Colback on the naughty step but sent him to the corner with a dunces hat on. He was pretty quick to cut others in the window to raise money but now he seems to want to be Uncle and teacher to a few and give them chance after chance.
And where is rotation Rafa?
Maybe we have such a weak squad that he believes it picks itself. However, I cannot believe from what I have seen of Joselu that he is an automatic choice even if Rafa has his doubts about Mitro and Gayle.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
I am not full out criticizing Rafa I am just a bit confused, especially about Mitro and Joselu. Mitro has not been totally ostracized because he was brought on at Burnley and on the bench on Saturday. What has Joselu done to be ahead of him? 2 goals but from a scuffed shot and a rebound, every other chance has been squandered.
You cannot blame Joselu for everything but I think he has to be the impact sub now. He has not done it as a starter. If he changes a game or scores as a sub then he may have redemption. The Toon fans have turned and I think his role has to be redefined. He has to prove himself and should not start just because he was last in the door.
Rafa has done that with others and even allowed them redemption – Gayle, Shelvey, Diame even.
I have noticed that Rafa’s mantra is that a player has “trained well”. That has to translate to the pitch though.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
AND, IS THERE A SPANISH FAVOURTISM GOING ON? Manquillo, Perez and Joselu bring less than MBemba, Gayle and Mitro.
It is a mad conspiracy theory but I thought I would throw it out there for fun. This is a blog and it is International week after all- at least we will get to see some decent players in the friendlies, the Germans and Brazilians 🙂
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Eric, re moyes at west ham. I just don’t see that being a good fit at all mate. The fans won’t like him, he is far too dour for them. Will he keep them up? possibly, he manage ok at Everton but West Ham aren’t the cosy family club that Everton are, their fans are bloody toxic. Also the ***** brothers always have too much to say and I don’t see a happy relationship there tbh.
That Texas shooting is awful mate.
kimtoon(Quote)
Ice, I’m gonna be so gutted if we aren’t sold after all this. It could be the best Xmas pressie ever, fingers crossed.
kimtoon(Quote)
I see the Lilly livered liberal social justice warriors are up in arms that the uber wealthy have off shore tax havens. Ffs!! Is this news to them? They need to get a life and stop expecting other people to provide for them.
Stuart79(Quote)
I’ll be very surprised if any deal is done before Christmas.
Stuart79(Quote)
killjoy 🙄
kimtoon(Quote)
Eric
are you sure Mitro came on against Burnley. I don’t think he was even on the bench for that game.
He did come on as a late sub against West Ham and scored , and was brought on even later against Crystal Palace.
At least he is top of the premiership strikers for goals per minutes on the pitch this season. His current stat of 1 goal every 30 minutes is outstanding.
As for those punters who reckon Rafa does not play him because he is ‘a red card waiting to happen’, how many times has he been shown a red card in his career? I bet it is very few.
sidekick(Quote)
Do you pay taxes Stuart? At what rate on income? Do you use roads and hospitals where you live? I am by no means a socialist, but do you think that because you are rich then you should pay zero taxes because you have accountants to move your assets offshore when you are still a US Citizen?
I assume you are talking about Wilbur Ross now. That issue is as much about money laundering as taxes. Money laundering is illegal and there are prison sentences for it. But since you brought it up, let me educate you.
The rich in this country get most of their income from capital gains which are taxed at 15%. Does that sound excessive? If I earn 100k from working a day job my rate will probably be about 20% federal taxes, plus 6% state taxes on earned income. So that is 26% before we even consider social security which is 7.65% plus my employer has to match. Then there are property taxes (poll tax). Someone making 100k probably pays about 40% of their income in taxes in one form or another.
Somebody who is rich gets their money in capital gains and pays 15%, and wave the flag as patriots but want to shift their money offshore and pay nothing!!!
The argument of the super rich is based upon the nominal amount of taxes they pay. They will say it is unfair that if they earn 100 million that they have to pay 15 million whereas somebody on 100k only pays 40k. They say they are paying more than their share. But where did and do they get the opportunity to be so successful? In the USA, of course.
But back to offshore and Trump’s buddies. Manifort will probably go to jail for money laundering. Wilbur Ross invested in a Cyprus bank to get on the board and funnel Russian money there. They were laundering money when there were US sanctions against the companies they were dealing with.
If you want to get into an argument about this, I bet I know a lot more about it than you.
This is the scandal of the century unless there is another cover-up.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Sorry, I was thinking Palace.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
I won’t turn this into a tax and politics forum. Just had to say something against Stuart’s usual ill-informed conflating of issues. Money laundering of ill-gotten gains from corrupt governments is bad for everyone. Not paying your fair share in the country that allowed you to make your money is bad for everyone. Complaining about paying 15% when an average family pays 40% is bad for everyone. Not realizing that it was your freedom and the system in countries such as Britain and the US that allowed you to be successful and then skipping out on your obligations to move to Monaco or the Caymens is bordering on unpatriotic.
The super-rich don’t even give up their citizenship. They move all of their money offshore and rail against taxes, when actually paying less as a portion of their income as their secretary making $50k a year. They want their cake and to eat it too. They portray themselves as Uber-Patriots, have a war budget of the combined totals of all the next 7 countries combined, START THE WARS, but don’t want to pay for them.
I actually know a lot about how the tax system works but this will be my last word. STUART LOOKS UPON THIS SO SIMPLISTICALLY that I sometimes forget that he is relatively smart. Maybe his politics taint his view. Maybe he grew up reading the Daily Mail!
Eric Sykes(Quote)
GETTING BACK TO FOOTBALL 🙂
It will be quiet on here because what more can you say other than Joselu and Perez have been pretty ****, that we should have got something out of the last 2 games and that Mitro and Gayle at least deserve a go.
So we are left with a boring 2 weeks, but maybe some comedy if Moyes or Fat Sam are appointed, and depending on who the latest Mackem sacrificial lamb is.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
???? I’ll informed? I didn’t think I’d said anything actually wrong. This is a complex situation and not as easy as everyone thinks. If you have a pension there’s a good chance it’s invested in off shore havens. So it’s not the exclusive use of the wealthy.
And yes I pay tax. I pay VAT, income tax, corporation tax and then tax on my dividends. How much more should I pay ffs?!!!
If we had a fairer tax system people wouldn’t feel the need to move their money. Totally legal by the way. Don’t let that get in the way of you’re moral high ground though, Eric. The top 1% of earners in this country pay 30% if tax. In Jersey everyone pays circa 20%. They have the highest rate of tax collection in the world. Coincidence?
Stuart79(Quote)
20% of £1,000,000 is a hell of a lot more than 20% of £25,000.
Stuart79(Quote)
See Bilic is gone then. Moyes on the way to save them. We’ve seen how that works out 😀
georgio(Quote)
£800,000 is a lot more than £20,000
georgio(Quote)
Really, I do know the difference between nominal taxes and % taxes? Is it right that a billionaire should pay half the rate in taxes as their secretary? And puts all of their money offshore from the place that gave them the ability and freedom and opportunity to make that money in the first place? How many billionaires that are not corrupt politicians are there in Zimbabwe or Ukraine? How many people in Monaco made their money there?
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Let it be Moyes. Just for the comedy value of what the Mackems say.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
This latest **** is really not about taxes. It is about corruption and money laundering and dealing with governments that the US and Britain had economic sanctions against. It is about criminal activity.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
IR chasing my daughter for tax she doesn’t owe yet our queens finance guys ferret her money away in off shore tax havens, but apparently her mag isn’t aware of this, that’s alright then. 🙄
kimtoon(Quote)
madge
kimtoon(Quote)
Moyes is no less than west ham deserve.
kimtoon(Quote)
NEW THREAD
https://www.nufcblog.co.uk/2017/11/06/four-key-areas-nufc-need-to-strengthen-in-january-and-which-players-they-may-target/
A look at where we need to strengthen and who we might look at in January from Simon
Olly Hawkins(Quote)
If it’s not breaking any laws then why not? In pure monetary value the wealthy already pay a gargantuan amount more than others.
Stuart79(Quote)