The loan stars?

Tamas Kadar
Tamas the Terrier.
Tamas Kadar toddled off to Huddersfield yesterday in a one month loan deal for the young and highly-rated Hungarian central defender.

Kadar will team up with former Newcastle employess Lee Clark and Terry McDermott, who are currently manager and assistant manager of Huddersfield respectively.

This is a good move for Kadar and will hopefully help him get some form of match practice to help him develop. The 20-year-old has a bright future ahead of him and has impressed me whenever he has featured for Newcastle, but he has only featured in a bit-part capacity, which is kind of understandable given that he is only a young lad himself.

The opportunity that Clarky has given him at Huddersfield will hopefully enable Kadar to improve his game and come back to St James’ Park a better player. After all, the only way a player will really improve is by playing first-team matches.

Which kind of begs the question of just who else we could loan out? We currently have a few highly rated youngsters at the club, but they need proper games to develop. If they aren’t going to get them here then surely it would make sense to let them develop somewhere else on a temporary basis?

The first one that springs to my mind is Nile Ranger. The lad has bags of potential, but he lacks a strikers instinct. Certain players are born with that instinct, like Alan Shearer, whilst others need to put the hours into their game to learn it.

Nile has a lot of strings to his bow but, in my opinion, finishing isn’t one of them. The fact that he appears to have slipped down the pecking order under Alan Pardew could perhaps open the door for a loan move, although the fact that we are desperately short of strikers could prevent that. There is no doubt though that a loan to perhaps a Championship club could help him hone his finishing skills. I’d recommend Doncaster as they create a lot of chances, plus the night life is crap!

Another player that could benefit from a loan spell is Haris Vuckic. Although he is currently injured, the lad does have a ‘hot prospect’ tag and has been monitored by teams such as Manchester United in the not to distant past.

His injury would obviously mean that a loan deal is out of the question right now, but it could, and probably should, be a possibility when he returns to fitness.

Another option could be Phil Airey. The lad has been prolific with his goalscoring at youth and reserve level, but the step up from there to first team football is a big one. Why not let him learn the ropes somewhere else? Perhaps with Clarky at Huddersfield again? Or even better, Brad Inman? Perhaps Lee Clark could show the ‘Wor Jackie’ award winner just how to play the central midfield slightly attacking role?

The big problem we have is that whilst it is all well and good having these highly rated young lads at the club, they will eventually all need to make the step up to first team level. For that they need experience, and they aren’t getting that with us at the moment.

The saying goes something like “if you’re good enough, you’re old enough”, which is true to a point, but it only really applies when you have an exceptional talent like a Lionel Messi or an Alan Shearer for example.

The rest of them have to learn to be good enough.

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85 thoughts on “The loan stars?

  1. how many of arsenal young guns have been loaned and come back a better player now in the 1st team?

    i agree with what you are saying in terms of old enough good enough and loaning out to get experience. it seems to me that loaning out can be similar to when the board of a club come out and publicly back the manager. they have got no chance of making it

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  2. Disagree there Rambo – not all loans are like votes of confidence, I remember Beckam being loaned out to preston north end and Forster being at Celtic is definitely doing him and us the world of good.

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  3. A good few Arsenal players have been loaned out and later played regular first team football. Even those that haven’t have usually ended up playing for top sides.

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  4. There is a bigger issue here that we’re missing.

    That we’re talking about loaning out OUR emerging players rather than who we can loan in from other teams.

    Been a while since we’ve been able to talk about such an issue, and long may it continue I say

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  5. Off the topic, but an article in the Chron (can’t post here as at work) all about Graham Carr. He talks about how he had watched Tiote for years and was the one after Ben Arfa. So looks like it was him who did all the work to get them in

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  6. ok then maybe i was a bit outspoken at first and rushed in, but our youngsters are not all that young. vuckic is 18, but the others are about the 20 mark which i think they should really be pushing for the first team on. the only arsenal player i can think of who was loaned and done reasonably well should soon be wearing the black and white (larsson of course). wilshere it did wonders for but i struggle to think of any others.
    forster is doing well at celtic granted but what will happen next season? after 2 years of first team football elsewhere will he leave for pastures new, will harper retire or will krul be loaned out?

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  7. Think its great kadar is going out on loan for a month , if all rumors are to be belived , sol may be leaving us , and it gives Kadar a chance to get some much needed match fitness/sharpness , he could come back as 4th choice CB and maybe get a few first team chances.

    If we got between 2-4 first team players from the current btach of youngsters we have ( Vuckic ranger kadar etc etc ) we will be very lucky and getting them first team football will only help their development

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  8. Bans are only increased when appeals are used strategically i.e. to allow a player to feature in a particular fixture whilst the appeal is being considered.

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  9. Rubbish about Tiote. I’ll stand by the fact I still think it’s a fair tackle. Obviously referee’s have to go by the book but would it really hurt to use a little common sense. If he hadn’t won the ball it’s obviously a red card but the fact it was a forceful yet fair tackle annoys me. You see red card offences being shown yellow all the time, referee’s will constantly bottle it. There’s a huge difference between the likes of Tiote’s and Gerrards tackles at the weekend. All Tiote did was leave the ground to make up distance FFS!

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  10. ‘The first one that springs to my mind is Nile Ranger. The lad has bags of potential, but he lacks a strikers instinct. Certain players are born with that instinct, like Alan Shearer, whilst others need to put the hours into their game to learn it.’

    He had the striker’s instinct at all the lower levels he played at and was one of the top scorers in fact. He still does have a decent first touch ect, and is fast even at the highest level.

    What he needs is experience and goals at a lower level. Somewhere like Preston would be a good place for Ranger to go for half a season and I think he could even score a fair few goals for them. He needs to go somewhere where he will grow up a bit and mature as a player; like Pardew has hinted at, his attitude hasn’t been quite right I think thats partly to do with him being frustrated but he needs to put the effort in and rediscover his finishing because he can’t seem to hit a cows arse with the proverbial banjo atm.

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  11. agreed ross. awesome challenge, albeit he did leave the ground. i work with a couple of stoke fans and they have been on their high horse about how dirty we have been this season and fair play league etc. on the plus side they are not taking to kenwyne too well . . lazy, only good with his head, etc. haha 😀

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  12. Preston? Straight into a relegation scrap and having had most of their best loan players taken back by Fergie Snr and Pulis?

    Hmmm….

    This is why I said Doncaster as they create a shedload of chances.

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  13. It’s difficult to make unfair challenges when you’re not using your feet to play football, to be fair, haha. Nah I dont like Stoke at all but they’ve been alright this season. Shouldn’t be on their high horse though considering for years their most effective weapon was a throw in. We get carded due to the fact that the likes of Smith and Barton have reputations. If they don’t cleanly win the ball in the fairest way possible, they’re probably getting carded. Tiote will end up with a reputation because midfielders like him are often known to be firm, forceful players. I personally think he’s a good tackler, he just likes a tough challenge. He’s made his fouls definitly, but he’s booked quicky. He was booked inside about 2 minutes against Sunderland for nowt.

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  14. Aye maybe not Preston, dunno why I said them, just meant a club like that. What about Brighton where Lua Lua was doing so well up intil injury.

    I think we’re kidding ourselves if we think he’ll just walk into a successful championship club. Some of these clubs have some good players and won’t wanna blood wor youngin’s in games that are crucial for them. Donny… maybe.

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  15. This Larsson deal is far too dragged out, I’ve got a feeling it’s going to end up with him either signing a new contract or getting snapped up by Sunderland. After his and his teams humiliation at SJP Bruce will be looking to earn brownie points with those dirt bags.

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  16. It could be a few days until we find out for sure though, unfortunately thats just the way it is. He’s rumoured to be at the training ground and it was said yesterday that he has permission to talk to us.

    Kadar grabbed his boots and left on Sunday and its today that the official sites even mention it.

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  17. Looks like Bridge is going to West Ham then. I’m sure he’ll be the creative spark and score the goals to drag them clear of trouble 🙄

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  18. i do think that tiote is going down that road, and against the scum he did well to not to do anything daft in the next 88 mins! but he was so good that game. he will adapt to the game and time his tackles slightly better over the course of the season. the EPL is surely much faster than the dutch league. agreed about smith and barton with their reputations and smith has picked up an unbelievable amount of yellows. As far as stoke go they are now trying to play better football, fair play to them, but not playing to their strengths (aerial prowess and the throw in) could end up biting them on the ass! considering i live near stoke i would love it, absolutely love it if they go down!

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  19. Maybe some of the some of the younguns could be used as sweeteners to get a player we want from the champ.
    Example: we’ve been linked with gradel from Leeds and taarabt from qpr but both teams seem hesitant to deal as they push on to a strong finish and possibly promotion. Maybe they’d be more willing to do business if we offered to loan ranger and fergie for the rest of the season at a discount? I think it would be win win. We get the player we want and our youngun gets to compete with a squad that’s playing well at the top of the fizzy. Although qpr has been struggling a bit lately.

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  20. So annoyed about Tiote..still can’t say I’m surprised I guess. Smith for the first 20min till he gets carded then throw on Gosling :D? Can Gosling at least put a tackle in? I know he’s not too big but our midfield will get in trouble otherwise..we can hardly tell Barton to go tackle crazy in the middle :P, and even Nolan picks up his fair share of yellows. Cattermoles out though isn’t he? Not sure if that’s good or bad…he could easily have picked up a red against us but then again he might have broken Bartons leg to pick it up..

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  21. DJG I thought he was given 10-12weeks out from October so I thought he’d have been back by now..not too sure on his progress or if there were later complications though.

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  22. I don’t get West Ham, I really don’t. If you look at the goals they concede, it’s normally from cross and attacks from the wide. That’s why Hammers fans are always slaughtering their full-backs. Signing an attacking full-back who is p*ss poor defensively is hardly going to aid the situation.

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  23. People fizzing because he scored a couple of goals in League One 🙄

    Ignoring the fact that the rest of the time he was still running up blind alleys and losing the ball. Never a PL player in my opinion.

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  24. Its a damn shame you know because he had looked kinda so-so last season and in pre-season. Then he went down to Brighton, scored some canny goals and was starting to look like his brother a bit with the drop of the shoulder, powerful strikes and somer-sault celebrations. He was just starting to develop till he got a broken leg at Hartlepool, friggin monkey-hangin bin dippers. 🙂

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  25. Carlton Cole… 😕 🙄

    Both times weve played them they had Gabbidon at leftback so Bridge will definately be a better attacking option than him.

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  26. see toonsy thats where your wrong my friend because he looked poor last season, but with first team games down there his game was starting to develop. Same would happen with Ranger.

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  27. Not only will smith start, he’s going to get on the scoresheet for the first time on Sunday. I got a gut feeling and my gut never lies unless it’s not telling the truth, but it’s always one of the two. 50% of the time, it works everytime 😎

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  28. I’m wrong because I have a different opinion?

    I just don’t think he is clever enough to be PL footballer. He reminds a little of Routledge tbh.

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  29. Don’t see how he could turn out to be a worse winger than Routledge anyway, and he’s still much younger, and he can actually hold onto the ball if someone comes within five yards of him. Still aint gonna blame the pool, they’re my third team after Gateshead 😀 And the celebrations are brilliant, but just like his brother I’m ****ting himself he’s going to mess up and break his own leg 😐 Still, I’d like to see Ranger and Lua Lua go to champ teams-we could really judge them from that, because I don’t think the gap is as big as people suggest…just look at blackpool, even without their new recruits.

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  30. He’s nowt like Routledge. He was playing through the middle for the reserves with some success, you would never see Routledge there. He can shoot and score from outside the box, you’ll never see Routledge do that. He has the potential to be a prem player imo which Routledge who is much further on in his career will never be. We shall see but I’ve seen him have good games (reserves) Ive seen him have poor games (pre season at Carlise) when he’s good he’s good trust me. I think you need to take another look.

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  31. TOONSY off topic hows this new work practice you brought in at work going now m8 apart from your night-shifts like,is it working?

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  32. I always will, but the key to being a PL player is consistency. You’ve just said yourself he hasn’t got that.

    Time will tell, but when his brother was good he was very good aswell remember? Where is he in the PL now?

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  33. So-so mate. A times it has been a nightmare, and the bad wetaher didn’t help at all. It’s just a matter of tweaking things now to be honest. I need to ask my superiors for £80,000 back in my annual budget as that would fix everything. Considering I stripped out nearly £500,000 for them shouldn’t be a problem really, but you know what it is like trying to get money back from people 😆

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  34. Seriously, though. Is anyone getting a bit anxious about this Larsson deal? The silence on the Mackem side despite clearly being interested in the player is worrying. Also, if we have been given permission to speak to the player then why is it taking so long to negotiate?

    I think he will stay at Birmingham and wait for a better move in the summer. Maybe he just wants to see who will win our derby before deciding. Either way, I won’t mind missing out on him if we have other targets. That’s a big IF though.

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  35. I wouldn’t say worried mate. I don’t think he will make or break our season so if we don’t get him I’m sure we’ll just move on to the next target.

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  36. I can see why people think we should loaning players out, but this Kadar move doesn’t make much sense to me.

    Apparently he’s chomping at the bit to get in some playing time, which will be good for him, but I don’t see why he didn’t get a run out against Stevenage. Pardew might be trying to see where he can use Perch, but Kadar played a good few games at LB for us last season and did alright, might as well have given him a chance. He actually is left footed, and is the only natural cover for Jose we have. Think we should have kept him around if Pardew’s ‘tired’ excuse is true.

    As for loaning players, it might not do the likes of Leon Best any harm to ship him out for a month or two, let him get his touch and goalscoring form back.

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  37. Yep. Pretty much.

    I can start anytime between 6pm and midnight and finish anywhere between 4am and mid-day. Still, it pays the bills I guess.

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  38. I read a couple of days ago that 5cumder1and withdrew their interest.
    Right now I feel all signs say he’s gonna be announced tommorrow or thursday.

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  39. knew there was a medical booked at w/end,nowt happened,maybe it was for bentley but at 90 grand ime pleased if that was the case

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  40. At best’s age, any loan move would be with a permanent transfer in mind. You loan the younguns so they can develop. If he hasnt developed yet and needs to go out on loan, then he won’t be welcomed back.

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  41. It would have meant he was cup-tied for Huddersfield though, who play either Leeds or Arsenal at the end of the month.

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  42. Doubt Bentley was on anything near 90k. Probably closer to 40-50k. Spurs have a wage cap. Luka Modric is only on 35k.

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  43. i think guthrie could go out on loan view to perm,was hoping it would be smith but this 3 game ban on tiote has put spanner in the works as doesnt give gosling time to have a chance to get a couple of games under his belt to get ready for first team

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  44. I have a feeling Bruce has had him tapped up for a while and is waiting until the summer so he can get him on a free.

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  45. How can brum afford 90k if they were paying Seb 10k. Is Bentley even any good anymore he didn’t seem to get a sniff at spurs. If he was a 90k a week player surely he would get games.

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  46. Correction: Modric WAS on 35k when he joined, but has since signed a contract extension. He is more likely on around 40-50k as well now.

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  47. I’m not ready to give up on Danny boy. I think he is good cover for Barton and I believe his poor season may have more to do with the disruption of injuries and not lack of quality.

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  48. Larsson is on peanuts because he signed ages ago and is refusing to sign a new contract. He has done for about two years apparently. Birmingham are now a more stable prem team and have been take-over by wealthy businessmen. I think they can afford much more now.

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  49. Well we’ve had him tapped up for over 5 years, so he’s just going to have to wait in line 😀

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