It is perhaps a bit harsh to judge him entirely, although it does seem that football chairmen seem to think differently these days and very rarely offer a new management appointment any real time to try and influence things, but the question I want to ask is whether or not YOU think Alan Pardew is doing a good job or not?
Now I’ve had this planned for a while to be honest, but I’ve had to change it a bit as I don’t want to be accused of copying anyone or stealing others ideas, so I thought I would start by looking at Pardew’s first ten league matches against Hughton’s last ten league matches to see if the comparison could give us any clue as to who is better.
I suppose the ultimate place to start is with regard to results. Hughton managed three wins, three draws and four defeats in his last ten games compared to Pardew’s three wins, four draws and three defeats. That gives Hughton 12 points to Pardew’s 13, and it could be argued that with games against Liverpool, Manchester City, Arsenal, and Tottenham (twice) the current boss has had a tougher run of fixtures and that Pardew has managed to gain those results without the use of Andy Carroll is seven of those ten games.
Pardew 1-0 Hughton.
What about goals scored and goals conceded though? Who organizes the team better?
Well Hughton’s team scored 15 and conceded 18 in his final ten games which gives him a difference of -3. Compare that to Pardew who has managed to get his team to score 16 and concede 16 which makes him all square on the goal difference front.
So under Pardew we have scored more and conceded less in a ten game period, and Pardew’s run of games has been, arguably, tougher than Hughton’s.
Pardew 2-0 Hughton.
In the final days of Chris Hughton we had started to seen some indiscipline creep into the camp. Joey Barton was retrospectively banned for punching Morten Gamst Pedersen whilst Mike Williamson suffered the same fate for his ‘challenge’ on Johan Elmander of Bolton, so how do the two compare in the Premier League foul play stakes?
Well Newcastle racked up 23 yellow cards and one red in Hughton’s final ten games compared to 21 yellows and no reds in Pardew’s first ten league games. It’s not a major difference, but there is a difference all the same.
Pardew 3-0 Hughton.
How about match attendances? Who is the bigger draw?
Both manager’s had five home games in their respective ten game reference period, but it’s Pardew who has come out on top again. In Pardew’s ten league games there has been a total of 246,730 fans through the turnstiles at St James’ Park compared to Hughton’s 228,611. This gives Pardew an average crowd of 49,346 compared to Hughton’s 45,722.
In the interest of balance though, it’s worth pointing out that the fixtures that worked for Pardew in the first couple of examples could well be responsible for this, but it’s still an increase of 8% so I’ll have to give it to Pardew again.
Pardew 4-0 Hughton.
Now please don’t think that this is an assassination of Chris Hughton, because it isn’t. I was as shocked and dismayed as the rest when Hughton got the boot and still feel sorry for the bloke over the way it was handled.
Still, I always give people a chance to prove what they can do before writing them off, and that is what I have, and continue to do with Alan Pardew. You’ll see, or read, no knicker twisting from me about it, certainly not three months after the event anyway.
What I have done here is gather statistical data together to compare the two, and Pardew has come out on top.
The results could have been even more impressive when you consider that, as mentioned earlier, Andy Carroll hasn’t been available for seven of those ten games, Cheik Tiote hasn’t been available for three games, and now we have no Shola Amoebi either. Make if it what you will, but these are the facts.
What do you think?
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That info looks a bit familiar Toonsy – just cant think where I’ve seen it before 😆
rothervalleymag(Quote)
got to judge early at toon,as there not there to long enough to take long term view 😉
icedog(Quote)
I think he has done a good job on the pitch , results have shown that.
Im not going to judge him as of yet on his transfers ill wait until the summer before i could comment on that.
I dont like how he handles the media and he seems like to like the sound of his own voice but in all honestly its results on the pitch that counts and he is getting them.
Johno Toon(Quote)
JT with you on the media side of things m8,big gob imo,lets see if his skill is as big as his gob!
icedog(Quote)
I too think he has done a good job and when you think of the turmoil the club could have went into after CH was sacked so I think he has done well keeping everyone onside.
I much prefer the style of play that we play under Pards 😉
Toonsy on the Goals part did CH have Carroll for all 10 games ?
Big Dave(Quote)
I agree that he talks too much But I would prefer that than being treated like a mushroom and not being told anything by CH. I guess its a matter of finding a happy medium.
Big Dave(Quote)
hmmm…
Under Hughton we looked better organized (barring the West Brom and Bolton game).
Pardew only knows one way to play his team that’s attack (which is not always a bad thing), but I feel a lot assured with a 1-0 lead under Hughton than under Pardew.
The best thing Pardew has done he hasnt broken the hierarchy which Hughto had set up with Nolan and Barton leading the team on the pitch, many people had asked Nolan to be dropped as soon as Pardew came in… Good thing Pardew did there :).
10 games in honestly I haven’t missed Chris Hughton, but it would be interesting to see whether he carries on in the same way….
neeraj(Quote)
RotherValley 😉
toonsy(Quote)
Neeraj – I think the opposite. I think we look miles more like a football team under Pardew compared to just a group of lads having a kick about under Hughton.
toonsy(Quote)
He’s been as good as we could have hoped for really coming in with all the drama etc….Still, I think we’ll have to wait till the end of the season before giving judgement-survival is key obviously, and then its a matter of which bodies come through etc. A lot of the time a manager change gives a short term boost to clubs anyway so you can look at it anyway you like really, although it rarely seems to be the case for NUFC, and the circumstances for Hughtons departure are a world away from Di Matteo
NewkieBrown(Quote)
DAVE aye he talks ok,ie no good any club bidding for andy carroll even 40mil as hes not for sale this club is going forward with our young players mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm,good speech like
icedog(Quote)
Dave – I’ll check that hang on…
toonsy(Quote)
Yes he did 🙂
Although he dropped Carroll for the Man City game, he was still available
toonsy(Quote)
I found our passing play better under Hughton, we had 46 to 47 percent of possession at Emirates, we out passed Everton at Goodison……
Hughton, I feel was more of a defensive minded manager, the players knew their role both on the pitch and off it as well…..
And team under Hughton had the habit of grinding out results and gaining points, even when we didnt play well (Wigan at home and numerous games in CCC)…..
If I remember correctly, teams playing us had the least shots on target against us, in the first half of the season….
Hughton had his worst games when we didnt have Barton and Nolan in the team and any manager coming now, would struggle, without these two players on the pitch….
neeraj(Quote)
Aye, but he also had Carroll who gained six points in Hughton’s last ten games with his goals. Pardew hasn’t had that luxury and is still doing better…..
toonsy(Quote)
We done to Hughton and the other chuckle brother, (who’s now doing terrible as Hibs manager) but Im happier with Pardew and Carver thanks very much. 😉
DJG(Quote)
yes we have improved under mr pardew 😉
batty(Quote)
Big Dave // May 5, 2009 at 11:02 PM
Bill F i dont think the red card was a major factor in it I think it was the responce to be pulled about it. I have to admit that I have allways liked him and thought he deserved the chance I even said he would make a good captain for our club. but not no more you can only give so many chances.<<<< cant believe tou wanted rid of wor joey dave 😆 😆
batty(Quote)
Agree 100% that we are a more improved team under Pardew.
dan4toon(Quote)
the footballs better under Pardew, and that’s not just talking about attack attack attack, which it hasn’t. We seem to be more tactically astute, more comfortable retaining possession and just generally a bit more professional.
It’s not all good but I guess it’s the football which is the important thing!!
Got a mate who is a journo and he reckons Pardew’s contract is performance based, anyone know if that’s true? He went on to talk about the different parts of his contract, how much was ***** I don’t know, and to be honest I think I stopped listening, but he reckons there is no other manager with stipulations in their contracts like Pardews, and stipulations all for the benefit of the club, not Pardew.
I Love Mike(Quote)
batty…. 😆
richietoon(Quote)
The Character and never say die approach was formed by Chris, the thoughtful way we played was formed by Chris, Situations (and difficult ones at that) were handled in house not in the press. Chris put the team first not his own shiny teeth.
For me Pardew hasnt even had time to have any great impact, he is still benefiting Chris’s work. His first transfer window was an unmitigated disaster – he makes cr@p up instead of shutting up (Barton to sign last week – and the week before, and the week before – and the signings that never arrived.
The headline and story makes the poll a touch biased Mr Toonsy! 😈 😈 😈 😈 😈 😈 😈 😈 😆
Stardust(Quote)
Here’s a one for you, how much you reckon Lukas Podolski would cost?
Cost Köln 10million Euro (£8.5mill) in 2009, and this season has scored 7 in 18. What you reckon? still only 25 with his best years in front of him, seems decent every time i’ve seen him, or you reckon we’ll go for someone a little less of the radar?
I Love Mike(Quote)
Podolski will be on huge wages. Bearing in mind the fans at Koln had a collection to help the club pay for him….
toonsy(Quote)
Stardust – You can’t argue with the facts though. Pardew has done fine since he came, better than I thought he would.
The headline is a question, so I can’t see how it’s misleading?
The stats are balanced out and take stock of circumstances for BOTH managers and the poll can’t be that loaded as it’s currently a 65/35 split, which roughly matches the comments to be fair.
Don’t be a Worky 😉 😆
toonsy(Quote)
aye toonsy there is still a bit of worky that i have too knock oot of stardust 😉
batty(Quote)
Lads,there is this question,what do you lots think about Klose? 😎
One weird thing is he keeps scoring for country,but hardly scores or play at club level,worth a try getting Him to “replace” Peter Løvenkrands?
AngelOfDeath(Quote)
As for the topic,is still to early for me to judge whose better. 🙄
AngelOfDeath(Quote)
After reading the article (initial comments were without reading it), how on earth can you compare CH and AP with CH’s last 10 and Pardew’s first 10 game in charge 😕 ….
And on CH having the luxury of having Carroll, Pardew very well knew that Carroll would be out for good part of the season around mid Jan, if the rumors abt him getting injured in the pub were correct, Why he didn’t buy a replacement? He had good 15-20 days to find a striker, didn’t he?….
Pardew’s way of handling the media is pathetic- especially the way he lambasted Wayne Routledge (not a good thing to do when the team is build around a strong team spirit and the player is coming back in the PL with his team 😉 ).
I still reserve my judgment on Pardew, I think the team is going to change drastically in the summer, would be interesting to see whether he holds on to Jose and Tiote, with Pardew doing a bit of marketing for the later 🙁 ….
neeraj(Quote)
Kuqi: Sir Bobby wanted to sign me for United! 😯
AngelOfDeath(Quote)
AOD i think klose is ready too collect his oap 😉
batty(Quote)
Batty good one mate 😆 in the heat of the moment I think it was because of Big Al
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Big Dave(Quote)
i know dave i called joey a dirty meff 😆
batty(Quote)
Batty im a big fan of Joey’s but when it comes down taking sides between him and Al there is only one winner 😆
Talking of Klose made me think this is the 1st window in yrs that I never seen us being linked with Skjelbred 😯
Big Dave(Quote)
Tactically, neither are world class, but Pardew is better.
As far as attractiive football goes, Pardew is better, but that may be because we don’t have Carroll to lump the ball forward to.
Substitution wise, I think Hughton was terrible. Pardew is ok.
As far as media, Hughton was better.
I find it difficult to seperate the two in terms of managerial ability.
I find them very evenly matched. However, I’d rather be watching a team attack than a team defend and thus Pardew edges it for me.
I don’t think transfer activity counts for much, because that is controlled by MA and our scouting network.
If Ashley won’t put up the cash, we won’t get anyone in.
History has shown our managers don’t have a big say in who comes in or goes out.
JJ(Quote)
@batty: Nah,he’s only 32. 😈
How old was our latest striker? 😉
AngelOfDeath(Quote)
For me, having watched the number of chances our midfield can create, we need a striker who can finish.
Someone in the mould of Huntelaar.
JJ(Quote)
Neeraj – I very much doubt that Pardew has much say on getting anyone in. It’s not the managers who do the deals and I suspect that Pardew will have his hands tied much like Hughton.
What’s wrong with comparing Hughton’s last ten games and Pardew’s first ten games? Is it because it shows Hughton to be outdone? I mean let’s be fair, the ten games of Hughton’s stretch right the way back to the defeat at Man City and includes the wins over Sunderland, Arsenal and West Ham so it’s a pretty fair reference point.
toonsy(Quote)
Just to check,does NUFC ever have german players before? ❓ 😎
AngelOfDeath(Quote)
AOD – Fair point about Kuqi’s age. Now it’s my turn…
How much, in wages, would Klose want?
I thank-you…
I also question the wisdom of bringing him in as fourth choice striker 😯 and also highlighting how he can’t score for club but still thinking about him as an alternative 😯
toonsy(Quote)
AOD – Didi Hamann.
toonsy(Quote)
The only big difference i see between the two managers is:
One will either bring a unexpected win or big losses ➡ CH
And other
Will bring more draws in. ➡ Pardew
AngelOfDeath(Quote)
Stardust
Posted February 13, 2011 at 5:25 PM
The Character and never say die approach was formed by Chris
No it wasn’t, Stardust. It was formed by Kevin Nolan, Alan Smith and Steve Harper after the Leyton Orient defeat.
Stuart79(Quote)
What about this young lad we were linked with no so long ago?
JJ(Quote)
Stuart – I think it was the players AND Hughton to be fair, but Hughton certainly didn’t do it all by himself I agree.
toonsy(Quote)
Haha, for got to say who. Eren Derdiyok… remember him.
JJ(Quote)
@toonsy: I am very sure the wages somehow sort out itself if he intends to leave bayern munich.
😆
Nah,is just a random thought,of someone i can trust to be more impact than Kuqi? Just does a check,Klose ain’t bad for club.
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Klose struggled during the latter half of the Bundesliga season. His total of 20 goals in all competitions — with an impressive DFB Cup record — did, however, play a significant role in helping the club to a league and cup double.
Klose’s second season at the club was a positive one. He finished as Bayern’s top scorer in all competitions with 20 goals, a figure that could have been higher but for an injury sustained in March. Seven of his tally came in the Champions’ League, making him the second-best goalscorer in that year’s competition; only Lionel Messi with nine scored more than Klose.
Klose sustained two injuries in the beginning of the 2010–11 season. After he had made a full recovery, he remained on the bench until late December when he appeared in a DFB-Pokal match against VfB Stuttgart. Klose came off the bench and scored twice.
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🙄 🙄
AngelOfDeath(Quote)
I agree Stuart.
The never say die attitude came from the players who wanted to stay and fight after relegation staying, and the ones who didn’t have the stomach for it leaving.
In that sense, relegation did us a huge favour. No more bottlers like Damien Duff.
JJ(Quote)
Although Hughton can’t be ignored. He played his part.
JJ(Quote)
Also needs to defend for Klose,Bayer Munich frontline of ribery and rooben,muller causes him to have lesser and lesser game,part of the reason why he hasn’t been scoring. cause he is mostly on bench. 😳
ps: told you i have fetish for german players. 😉
AngelOfDeath(Quote)
AOD – That’s fine, but having a fetish for German player who are on over the equvalent of £100,000 a week is a bit OTT 😉
toonsy(Quote)
have we improved…yes,i think pards brings attacking footie,when CH didnt….
have we improved as a club under ashley NO…
hitman(Quote)
we all now the erics like the whips 🙂
hitman(Quote)
If AP gets a win vs Birmingham Tuesday, then NUFC are in the hunt for a Europa spot. How AP manages them towards that goal is his real test. Under CH the goal was survival. AP’s goal now is keeping the team together by being optomistic about Europa or it being likely after next season. AP does not have as much to work with as CH, in terms of bodies, if he can keep the club upwardly mobile with this diminished cast, he will really have earned his spurs.
BeeGuy(Quote)
I think tactically, football style and substitutions under Pardew has been better. I think we look very well organised, just look at our defense since new year. Media-wise I think Hughton was better. We’ve seen Pardew talk maybe too much?? ( Bartons conctract + we are getting 2 players in), and Hughton rather keep things in-house and away from the Newcastle hating media, which I like too. All in all I think Pardew is better, but he is also benefiting from the foundation that St. Hughton lay. Pardew > Hughton. But I still think Hughtons work at Newcastle has been legen……wait for it…….dairy
AlanPardewProject(Quote)
Europa 😯 😯
No wonder we get called deluded 😆
Interestingly, I worked out how the table will look if each team continues to pick up points at the rate they have done so throughout the season. Here goes……
Man Utd – 2.19 = 83
Arsenal – 2.06 = 77
Man City – 1.81 = 68
Tottenham – 1.80 = 68
Chelsea – 1.76 = 66
Liverpool – 1.44 = 54
Sunderland – 1.37 = 52
Bolton – 1.26 = 48
Stoke – 1.26 = 48
Newcastle – 1.23 = 46
Blackburn – 1.18 = 45
Everton – 1.20 = 45
Birmingham – 1.20 = 45
Fulham – 1.15 – = 43
Aston Villa – 1.11 42
Blackpool – 1.11 = 42
West Brom – 1.03 = 39
Wigan – 1.00 = 38
West Ham – 0.92 = 35
Wolves – 0.92 = 35
First number is points per game, second number is that rate multiplied by the games remaining and added to their current points total.
Obviously form and other stuff comes into it, but it’ll be interesting to see how it pans out and how close that is. If we can manage a top ten finish on our return to the top flight it will have been a fantastic achievement.
toonsy(Quote)
batty needs one place lower toonsy 🙁
icedog(Quote)
hitman
Posted February 13, 2011 at 6:54 PM
“have we improved…yes,i think pards brings attacking footie,when CH didnt….
have we improved as a club under ashley NO…”
Good job the question wasn’t about Ashley then. If we finish top ten, which we haven’t done for six years, then it would be hard to say that we haven’t moved forward. After all, the league table doesn’t lie, and tenth place would be our best finish under Ashley 😉
toonsy(Quote)
‘Chris put the team first not his own shiny teeth.’
Stardust in that sentence you perfectly support my hypothesis that you and workyticket just dislike Pardew because of his appearance and reputation. Rather than what he is trying to do at the football club. Where is your explanations about why we are worse off, other than ‘Hughton was a nice guy’, or ‘We had good team spirit’, or ‘Everything was kept quiet and hidden by a man clearly out of his depth’. 😈 I might have made that last part up.
DJG(Quote)
david moyes just said that Everton are in a relegation fight.
They’re two points behind us 😕
Fair play toonsy for that, that’s actually how many points I think we’ll get!
I Love Mike(Quote)
Also if Hughton is so great, how come West Brom have gone for a faliure in Hodgson instead of him,,??
answer…. Experience.
DJG(Quote)
Just adding a little more into the mix.How many of CH,s games were played without an assistant and how many of AP,s were played with John Carver on board.Also has John Carver made a difference?
nutmag(Quote)
DJG – Hodgson was a failure at Liverpool where he got no money from the board and won only 🙄 42% of his games.
If you step out of your little bubble you will realise that Hodgson has been a success at many other clubs….
toonsy(Quote)
Best goal celebration
Hoots 1 – 0 Pards
Most trustworthy reputation
Hoots 2 – 0 Pards
Championship winners medal
Hoots 3 – 0 Pards
Win over Mackems
Hoots 4 – 0 Pards
I think Hoots is looking better in this poll Toonsy.
bobby shinton number 9(Quote)
In your opinion Booby, Unfortunately the bigger poll doesn’t back you up 😉
toonsy(Quote)
toonsy – What do you mean step out of my bubble. Whats he won in 35 years of management? He took Liverpool into the lower reached of the league and hadn’t won away in something like 30 games. He still had better players than most clubs can afford!
DJG(Quote)
DJG I think Hodgson done allright at Fulham 😕
But as you say he didn’t do to well at Liverpool but I just have a feeling that giving time he might have turned things round, but maybe he wouldn’t have.
Big Dave(Quote)
DJG – I mean the bubble where you just refer to him as being at Liverpool.
He got Fulham in the higher reaches of the PL and got them to a European final. He turned Blackburn from relegation candidates to a team that played in Europe. He has managed national teams and won more titles than I care to remember.
But now, according to you, he is a failure because he only won 42% of his games at one club that was never backed him and had a takeover going on in the background.
That’s what I mean by bubble, like looking at one thing. Very one-dimensional and shallow IMO.
toonsy(Quote)
Yes he did well at Fulham.
DJG(Quote)
TOONSY 100% spot mate sometimes you have to look further than the end of your nose 😆
icedog(Quote)
toonsy- 42% you keep talking about.
It means nowt at clubs like Liverpool and Arsenal. Now if he came to newcastle and got that win ratio, now then i’d be impressed. 😉
DJG(Quote)
Got some Worky in me – nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😆
For Stuart, DJG, Toonsy and all the Hughton naysayers – it takes a brilliant and real leader who defers power down to those beneath them – who gets them all working for a common cause.
Jim Collins in Good to Great writes about this implicitly – he states (as we have seen in this very instance) when this type of leader (CH) leaves an organisation – it doesnt crumble as the foundations are correct, well laid and true. He goes at great length to talk about the egotists, the charismatics, the “Alpha Male” who on leaving (because the success was based solely around energy and drive of one individual – th organisations invariably can not withstand the turmoil and will usually go backwards.
In my opinion we swapped the perfect long time leader for a short term egotist. I will support the club – but as Pardew himself said today – he will have to convince a lot of people as people still doubt him a great deal.
Oh ohhhh Ive just done another W**********
……………PS Stuart – I dont expect you to understand the above – you have noodles and string for brains
Stardust(Quote)
DJG – Fair enough. But remember the circumstances before passing a full judgement. The players never looked interested and did **** all to help him out. There was a takeover going on, which means he will have been unsure about his future despite what was said in public.
Despite that though, he still managed to win nearly half the games he managed. Yes it’ probably not goo enough for Liverpool, but FFS it in no way, shape or form, makes him a failure.
toonsy(Quote)
Toonsy – this should have read
“toonsy
Posted February 13, 2011 at 7:24 PM
In your opinion Booby, Unfortunately my biased evil snake trodden agenda ridden bigger poll doesn’t back you up ”
instead of:
“toonsy
Posted February 13, 2011 at 7:24 PM
In your opinion Booby, Unfortunately the bigger poll doesn’t back you up ”
😆 😆
Stardust(Quote)
Stupot – hows the melon trade?
Plenty of loose ones around?
Stardust(Quote)