I mean Harry Redknapp has been at it again today and claims that the release clause is less than the £7 million that has been previously quoted. I won’t go on a rant about him chatting about players contracted to other clubs too much. It’s unethical but hey ho. I expect nothing less from him so I can’t say I’m surprised.
The easy way to put a stop to it is for the club to come out and say something. On one hand, why should they have to say anything? On the other though it would clarify things once and for all. I’d hazard a guess on their silence being louder than any words would be however. There is almost certainly a clause in his contract, but what the clause is remains unconfirmed. Arguably as it should be…
Should we be bracing ourselves for the departure of Demba Ba though? Perhaps not now, but maybe in the summer? With the striker fluttering his eyelashes towards PSG and a whole host of interested suitors thanks to his supreme start to life at Newcastle Ba will have no shortage of options, especially if he is available at a knockdown price.
It’s easy to resolve of course, well, relatively easy anyway. Give Demba a new contract that reflects his ability. He’s proven that he can cut the mustard so there is an argument for the club giving him a contract that can reflect that which is a risk when you consider his knees. It’s a risk that another club will be willing to take however, of that I have no doubt.
I honestly don’t believe that Demba Ba is here for the long haul anymore. We’ll be lucky to get through January with him still in black and white and that, I feel, is only down to his participation in the African Cup of Nations.
I have no expectation of loyalty from any player anymore. Andy Carroll ended that particular train of thought for me. Ba will go where the best offer is, which you can’t blame him for really. We’d all do it. He may be happy on Tyneside at the moment, but I imagine he could be just as happy anywhere else. He’s not like us and doesn’t have an affinity to the area – it’s just a job. Plus you have to question just how long he intended staying around for anyway with such a release clause in his contract?
Make the most of it while you can!
@B&B
You jokin. The reality train is used to this.
Me, Batty and Big Dave leave it in the engine shed and polish it until the last weekend of the window. 😛
Troy Stavers(Quote)
We could win the European Cup but I would still have disdain for Jabba and Dastardly Derek.
They have no class and treat people, particularly football legends and fans cheaply.
No credit coming from this train. Despicable couple of people. 😯
Troy Stavers(Quote)
dave you have missed barton losing the plot on twitter 😆 😆
batty(Quote)
Troy, you surmise perfectly as the paranoid old dude i knew you were already – and i know you mean and would stand by each of the points you make – do respect you for that .. however, sadly KK and Big Al – legends tho they once were – were simply not the answer. The days of spending (KK) and old school footballers (KK + Big Al) running what are now huge business organisations with creaking balance sheets detailing practically unserviceable debt with a market of ever diminishing wealth resources are long gone aside for Man City which is an exception … The lies you refer to are also known as a change in strategy .. that happens when one strategy proves unworkable – say perhaps, the, unproven, rumour that the deal was to go with KK and tell him he could have say on who came in and went …. but realising that KK cudnt do it … i say unproven as i just can’t see MA ever allowing another person to dictate to MA what he shud spend his money on … by the way, you think that Dek and MA are really mean nasty people – boo hiss nasty bully .. well maybe they are, but do you know many people who run football clubs – who are you comparing them with? … can tell you that in my opinion, the sort of people who can afford to buy a football club are not all nice and sweet – if they decide to do something and it doesnt work .. they change it ….. TOON TOON
TOONPIPES(Quote)
and the little rat owen bumming him up 🙂
batty(Quote)
I liken it to a wife beater where the wife is frightened to leave cos they love their house and family.
That wife beater who treats his wife terribly should not gain respect because he has control of the purse strings.
Troy Stavers(Quote)
Come on TP what benefit to the club was the ***** that has been stated above by wor Troy and mesel ❓
Big Dave(Quote)
terry henry coming on .. with his stannah stairlift .. did he borrow it from you booby?
TOONPIPES(Quote)
Big Dave, the benefit is where we are today.
TOONPIPES(Quote)
TP can you just answer the question as a normal football fan and not a politician with an answer that doesn’t answer the question.
Batts how are you this fine evening 😉
Big Dave(Quote)
dave ive been asking joey how his brother Michael murderer is 😆
batty(Quote)
The old classics ,
Get behind the club , support the lads , BORING.
I have followed the toon home and away all my life and do not take kindly to being told my opinion of the current owner stops me supporting my team !
And it also annoys me that people say you dont like him because he is a cockney or because he was mean to keegan !
MA is a s@it owner because whilst he has owned the club he has lost a wrongfull dissmissal case against the first manager he employed ! then employed D Wise ! then J Kinnear !!!! then got us relagated ! then finished mid table ! then sold carroll and jose and nolan etc and did not reinvest the money into the first team ! then changed the name of sjp ! and most importantly shows no signs of change !
The good MA has done is reduce the clubs debt , improve our scouting , improve our youth setup . But to improve our youth setup and scouting system means very little if we continue to sell our top players !
So anyone can see the negatives of his tenure here hugely outweigh the positives therefor he is a s@it owner FACT .
If he changes and spends 25 million on four qaulity players and noone leaves then happy days untill then he is sh@t FACT FACT FACT 😉
keith(Quote)
🙄 keith i havent even read your post but i know its spot on as your a good lad 😉
batty(Quote)
Sorry trot i see you covered it already thought i would chuck my five peneth in 😉
keith(Quote)
@Poopsy
Very poor answers again.
It’s not the decisions that they make but the way they were treat.
Dont bring in Keegan if you have no intention of giving him the power to buy. The tribunal decided having heard all the evidence that the regime lied to Keegan and worse still, lied to the tribunal and fans.
Big Dave is making the point, not about the decision not to employ him, but the way they dealt with him. Never bothered to even contact him after he assumed he had the job.
I can go on but you totally miss every point, either deliberately or through ignorance.
As I say. Whatever happens, success or not, I give this regime no credit as human beings.
Dispicable rogues who have vasts amounts of money and bought their way into our lives.
Richard Branson, a far more successful man has more morals than Jabba has and ever will.
Get where I’m coming from?
Troy Stavers(Quote)
cheers batty its the same old stuff over and over but howay man if he changes and puts money in and the club continue to improve and stay where they are then fine but dont judge him on 20 games as owner judge him on 5 years !
keith(Quote)
Batts 😆 😆 your a bad Lad I bet he hasn’t answered ye 😀
TP dissapointed in you lad I thought you would atleast have a go at giving a decent answer but like most of the dreambus ticket holders you can’t answer a simple question if it means that the answer makes Jabba look like the c@nt he is 😕
Big Dave(Quote)
troy@165 , yep 😉
keith(Quote)
@BD
Poopsy always struggles, always has, always will. He’s fighting from a disadvantaged position. 😛
Troy Stavers(Quote)
Unfortunately there’s not much we can do if someone meets the magic number. His knee may put some off but if the clause is £5m or so he’ll be well worth the risk.
All in all I think we can say goodbye to him unless he gets offered and signs a new contract.
Stuart79(Quote)
Troy, the world isnt a very nice place. Get a grip. And it was us, the fans, who turned football into the moneyed world it is today – who shouts loudest for us to spend money on players and wages – you do, with BD not far behind – money hungry and money orientated fans – so dont criticise MA for buying his way into our lives .. Yes, i would love a geordie in charge that was salt of the earth and hewn from hadrians wall polite to the nth .. but look at all the big clubs – which ones are owned by locals? do you think Abramovich is a nice guy? do you think that the Glazers are always nice? .. its a business not a social club .. so my view is different to yours, i moved on from the old times to today. I want NUFC to be successful and i accept that some stuff that you dont like will go hand in hand with that happening .. otherwise, go off and support Hexham Tigers my old team. They are a nice bunch.
TOONPIPES(Quote)
bigdave@167, exactly they dont use fact , never answer yes or no but instead answer in 1000 words that dont actually say anything in a vain atempt to baffle people sad . 😳
keith(Quote)
Ba might not want to go, that’s kind of possible isnt it? And if he does, it wont be because he fancies a 5m quid move, it’ll be more than that by some way because for sure he’d be like a new signing right here for twice that.
Tsunki(Quote)
TP who is asking for loads of money to be spent ???
all im asking for is the Carroll money to be put back into the club as they said.
Also why can you not tell me what benefit the club got from Jabba and Co offering Al (a man that gave our club so much and the best days of his career) the managers job, then still to this day they haven’t had the decency to let him know they changed their minds ??? do you think our club benefitted from treating one of our own legend like a piece of ***** ❓
Big Dave(Quote)
Name me one player in recent history who has moved clubs after half a season where he has become a starting first team player? I think we would fail to find one. If Ba wants to leave then AC proved that contracts don’t matter.
But why would a player want to leave when he is playing in front of 50 000 fans. This release clause means nothing, he’d be foolish to go to a bigger club and sit on the bench, he’d be foolish to drop down a few levels and play in the French league for cash.
Release clause or 5 year contract doesn’t make any difference except how much we receive, the only players Ashley has ever sold are those who want to leave and I can’t see Krul, Tiote or Ba wanting to leave a team flying high in the league just yet.
One Foot Wonder(Quote)
@Poopsy
Sorry but another poor answer.
None other club owners have a track record anywhere near to ours.
I mentioned Richard Branson before about being a far more successful person than Jabba and he’s an example of being a people’s man.
Your point about me wanting him to spend cash is very poor also.
I don’t want him to spend beyond our means but reinvest the cash from sales back into the first team. If you’ve fallen for the water pump banter then I worry how you deal with people who lie to you.
Troy Stavers(Quote)
No other club owners *
Troy Stavers(Quote)
Big Dave,
Actually I think the club did benefit by the shearer episode. With shearers failed attempt at managing it has forever removed the cloud that was going to hang over every managers head of ‘when is shearer going to take over?’
One Foot Wonder(Quote)
BD .. dont worry about Al he will be ok .. personally i think there is more to the story than that which you describe … have you considered that it would not matter what MA said about what happened, he would never NEVER win that argument as we would all back Al? .. and would you want Al in charge? ……… personally i wouldnt – not yet .. the fans want money spent Dave, the 35 mill is a drop in the ocean + is no doubt more than swallowed up by the amount of debt MA has incurred maintaining the clubs going concern status + i trust MA to strike a deal for good players when the right moment comes .. i wudnt want him just to spend for the sake of it ..
TOONPIPES(Quote)
@Poopsy
Your answer to Daves question about Shearer sums you up perfectly. 😳
Troy Stavers(Quote)
Dont worry about me Troy .. i appreciate you taking the time to try and make a decent point .. i dont agree with you + think you probs a bit old fashioned and out of touch with business today, and like to moan and direct your ire at someone + MA fits the bill .. if Branson takes over – i would, as i have with MA, back him – you don’t really have a huge list of names tripping of your tongue tho, you had to mention Branson twice and thats a bit of an obvious one given the recent link + i think he would probably find it all a bit vulgar + probably find the vilification of MA more than enough to put him off for life – i did say to you years ago that the best chance of getting a new owner, if that what you wanted, was to ditch the vitriolic abuse + wait for him to make his cash …. negativity gets us nowhere and honestly i can see some decent signs that have not been witnessed for years. More good performances this season than the last 10 years. And it is MA at the helm ….. plus you are a wum!! TOON TOON!
TOONPIPES(Quote)
TP and OFW so we should just **** on our own legends then just because they will be allright or because they never saved us.
Alan shearer said himself that after the final game Ma said to him that the job was his fulltime, and up untill aboout 4 mths ago Al stated that they still had not got round to telling him the job wasn’t his.
I think Al deserves better than that and for fans to think that that is ok 😕
Big Dave(Quote)
Keith @ 172 well mate thats the usual.
Big Dave(Quote)
Oh dear, Troy is morphing back into Bobby. 🙄
And Stuart “All in all I think we can say goodbye to him unless he gets offered and signs a new contract.” Master of the bleeding obvious – he will leave unless he stays. 😆
Transfer windows bring out the best in people.
Brisvegas(Quote)
I have heard he loves it here…..
His family are happy……
He is loyal…..
Means **** all – if we get more then his worth and he gets a pay rise bye bye Ba, and any other player this applies to
Manc(Quote)
Ouch Poopsy. A WUM . Moi? 😯
Not about these issues.
You continuously miss the point over and over again. I don’t respect Jabba for the reasons I’ve highlighted over and over again.
There are positives about his dictatorship. I’ve mentioned them on numerous occasions on various threads. The finances can’t be argued with. But, I maintain we will achieve nothing but mediocrity under him.
I just don’t see him pushing for Europe as it involves bigger wages. I believe he’s happy to remain mid table or thereabouts.
If we don’t end up in 7th at the end of this season then it will be down to Dastardly Derek deliberately not investing in a striker last summer and Tiote leaving this month.
Let’s see. I stick my neck on the line and say we won’t.
Troy Stavers(Quote)
Hilarious .. so you slate the team and the club at the start of the season and now you expect nothing worse than 7th .. think you’ve gotten swept away with the optimism i (correctly) had … come on over to the dark side …. whhoooooops YOU ALREADY HERE HAHAHAHAHAAHAHA!!!! stitched yourself again there booby like you did the other day when you professed your love of spurs … booooby, of course he wants top of the table/europe – he will make more money .. but it will take time as we have to generate the cash ourselves to finance it .. but we (nufc) are doing well, did you know we (nufc) made 35 million profit on one deal recently .. couple more like that and the club will have the cash to go to the next level (fans happy) AND make MA more money (owner happy) ..
TOONPIPES(Quote)
I don’t think anyone expects M.A to spend outside our limit . What we do expect is a show of ambition to push on and get some credibility back as contenders for a european place. This cannot and will not be achieved if we let our best players leave.Spurs are a great example as last year when Modrics head got turned and they got offered silly money they dug in theyr’e heels and it’s paid dividens.
kimtoon(Quote)
If there’s one good thing come of this debate, it’s my leg has sprung from the back of my neck with laughing at Poopsy. 😛
Troy Stavers(Quote)
Shearer had eight games to get 6 points and maintain our place in the premiership.
I would expect he was offered the manager position on his performance in those 8 games.
He failed the test.
No club owner in their right mind would reward such failure with a full time manager contract.
Had he been given the job and failed to achieve in the championship then he would have been sacked. That would have gone down like a lead balloon with the Toon Army and the club would have been out of pocket in paying up the remainder of the contract.
I’m not an Ashley lover but in this instance he made the right call.
sidekick(Quote)
he wont spend money on players and we will continue to sell our better players under MA , all we will see is mid table mediocricy……..come on toonpipes get behind the lads and start supporting the team 😛 😛
keith(Quote)
thas cos you on the dark side now booby
TOONPIPES(Quote)
Truth is it was too soon for Al and too late too for that matter, if you get my drift. Having said that had it not been for Duff we’d of been o.k what then.
kimtoon(Quote)
Kimtoon @193
Don’t know, ask Chris Hughton.
sidekick(Quote)
TOONPIPES
January 9, 2012 at 20:35(Edit)
Big Dave, we’ve talked about this before .. what you call ‘s hite these 2 have caused our club’ .. is called making tough decisions in the interest of moving forward ..
TP what benefit did the club get from Jabba and Co offering Al (a man that gave our club so much and the best days of his career) the managers job, then still to this day they haven’t had the decency to let him know they changed their minds ??? do you think that was in the interests of our club
Big Dave(Quote)
Big Dave, im not convinced we know the full story – so im not prepared to condemn MA on that one .. as i mentioned im not that fussed about Al not getting the job, so i agree with MA decision not to appoint him. I reckon that any which way MA told big Al he was not going to get the job, Al would have been seriously seriously p issed off .. so it wud have always ended in tears.
TOONPIPES(Quote)
You can’t really judge Shearer on those 8 games on whether he will or will not make a good manager imo. If you do then you must be of the opinion that CH shouldn’t have been given the job either,
In the games both were in charge during the relegation season, both got 5 points, Shearer in 8 games, CH took 10. You would also have to consider that CH knew alot more about all the players after working with them all season, strengths/weaknesses etc, and obviously had years of coaching experience.
I’ve no idea whether Shearer will make a good manager or not, I’m just saying that to judge him on those 8 games, after taking over a demoralised(and poor)team is a bit ludicrous imo.
richietoon(Quote)
DAVE the big al thing was a disgrace,they then went on to undermine hoots telling him there would no *** manager when **** heed went to hibs
the fans knew sommething under-handed was going on they hung him out to dry before they sacked him,its no way to treat people imo
then again we dont know how evil they can be
icedog(Quote)
TP what do you mean by the full story ???? that he was offered the job by MA then was never contacted again ???
Big Dave(Quote)
Richie and Ice spot on lads we should have more respect for a man that has given the club so much.
Big Dave(Quote)
Haha – gan on Pipes. Bobby Bullshit predicting a relegation fight at the start of the season now says he’ll be disappointed if we don’t get 7th. Haha.
Dave – time to get off the bus big man – your blind love of Bobby is getting a bit worrying.
Toon Chicken(Quote)
A friend of mine is an everton fan i ask him are you worried about losing your good players Felleini ect , no he says not at all and everton are in a bad way financially !
Stoke have 3 or 4 good good forwards but do we here rumours of other clubs buying them , no we dont !
When liverpool sold Torres to chelsea he dident leave untill the deal to bring in carroll was done and dusted , did we have a replacement , no we dident ! and still dont !!
So is MA a good owner , no he definatly is not !
keith(Quote)
Keith – so you’re basing Your opinion on MA being a bad owner on your mate not being worried about Everton and no one wanting to buy one of Stoke’s strikers? 😯
Toon Chicken(Quote)
TC the only people I have blind love for is my Family of which Troy is not one, and the Toon 😉 I don’t follow no one and its not my fault that Troy and myself just so happen to think along the same lines when it comes to Jabba the c@nt and Lambastad 😀 so try again old bean.
TP the more I read your post the more I worry that yopur getting lost up Jabba’s *** you say “so i agree with MA decision not to appoint him”
but your completely wrong he did appoint him, then went and appointed Hooters without telling Al ❓
Big Dave(Quote)
Noo TOONCHICKEN! .. aye boobys tied himself in knots today and yd he was proving how spurs were bigger than nufc to anyone who would listen – not happy bout that .. Big Dave is gon come round too ..
TOONPIPES(Quote)
Big Dave
January 9, 2012 at 23:03
TC the only people I have blind love for is my Family of which Troy is not one, and the Toon ;)’
Batty will be in tears. 😛
DJG(Quote)
Ok Dave – just been reading thru the blog and for every “woohoohoo” from Bob there’s a comment after from you telling him how funny he is. Fair enough if he was actually making a valid point but the majority of it is utter bollocks as per usual.
Toon Chicken(Quote)
Keith…. I know what you’re saying with the worry of losing players, but we have 5 or 6 players who would get into top teams if not top 4, Everton and Stoke imo, probably have none, so we’re always going to have the big lads sniffing about while that is the case. What we need is the fatman to tell them to **** off, unfortunately that’s where our worry is 😕
richietoon(Quote)
Anybody believe this stuff about us possibly going for a striker in the next 10 days or more Sunday Sun bullshit?
DJG(Quote)
TC why does a debate or friendly banter between troy/dave bother you,if it does bother you just dont read them,simples,see nowt wrong with it mesel,to me its better than fans haveing a go at each other,just my thoughts like 🙂
icedog(Quote)
TC @ 207 your talking utter bollocks there fella.
TP cat got your tongue lad ❓ or have you not worked out an answer yet 😕
Big Dave(Quote)
I think half the problem is that we were all so used to Fat Fred spunking cash on ***** that it’s come as a bit of a shock to discover that other teams actually want to buy our players now.
Toon Chicken(Quote)
so if the o.g hadn’t gone in and destroyed what hope was left we most likely would of scored (was fighting to stay up afterall ) and survived. My point being would m.a have left big AL at the helm .thoughts.
kimtoon(Quote)
Ice TC is just trying to help out a fellow dreambus ticket holder cause he knows that TP is on the ropes and cant get outta the debate without admitting that Jabba is a c@nt 😆
Big Dave(Quote)
Big Dave, on the ropes? boobys been knocked clean out and gone off back to his texting and you just repeat what he says so if you are looking for answers read the comments ive made up above ..
TOONPIPES(Quote)
Alreet Ice. Just calling it how I see it. Think it’s quite funny that the guy who used to openly rip it out of you lot is now a fully paid up member.
Toon Chicken(Quote)
TP you still haven’t answered ❓ do you need TC to help out ❓
here it is again
Big Dave
January 9, 2012 at 22:40(Edit)
TOONPIPES
January 9, 2012 at 20:35(Edit)
Big Dave, we’ve talked about this before .. what you call ‘s hite these 2 have caused our club’ .. is called making tough decisions in the interest of moving forward ..
TP what benefit did the club get from Jabba and Co offering Al (a man that gave our club so much and the best days of his career) the managers job, then still to this day they haven’t had the decency to let him know they changed their minds ??? do you think that was in the interests of our club
Big Dave(Quote)
Personally I was glad that Shearer went, that last day all we need was a draw and the team were just all heads down and playing ***** when they should have been playing like their lives depended on it and absolutely thrown the kitchen sink at Villa, okay Villa were a better team than us at that point but they didn’t really have much to play for and we just didn’t do enough, Shearer just didn’t get enough out of the players and I’ve just never thought of him as the sort of personality that could manage, bit like Keane, talismanic captain yes, manager no (IMHO).
DJG(Quote)
TC 😀 😀
icedog(Quote)
TC when has Troy ever ripped me ? just outta interest 😕
Big Dave(Quote)
Dave – why should it matter if Jabba is a **** or not. I happen to think Fergie is a reet CU next Tuesday but that doesn’t mean he isn’t any good at his job. Same goes for a lot of successful football people – in fact a lot of successful people full stop.
Toon Chicken(Quote)
BIG DAVE – YES I THINK IT IS IN THE INTERESTS OF OUR CLUB AS I DIDNT WANT AL AS MANAGER .. THE FACT THAT MA DIDNT RING HIM OR SEND HIM A LETTER DOES NOT CONCERN ME PARTICULARLY AND FOR A BIG LAD YOU SOUND F UCKING PATHETIC BANGING ON ABOUT IT GET A GRIP THE WORLD AINT A NICE PLACE BUT BIG AL NOT GETTING A SORRY LETTER FROM MA RANKS RIGHT AT THE BOTTOM OF MY LIST OF NASTY MEAN BAD THINGS.. DO YOU THINK AL IS CRYING INTO HIS SHREDDIES? I HAVE SAID THAT SEVERAL TIMES ABOVE ALTHO ADMITTEDLY I DIDNT SIGNPOST IT FOR YOU BY SAYING ‘TO BIG DAVE THIS ONE IS FOR YOU ….. ‘ .. are you clear now?
TOONPIPES(Quote)
toonchicken@203 , No im basing it on fact which the MA loving knackers constantly fail to do .
I have looked at the pros and cons as i pointed out in @162 and there are way more CONS so as a sensible adult i say ,
BAD, Wrongfull dismissall of keegan , appointment of wise , appointment of kinnear , treatment of shearer , relegation , selling players and not reinvesting the money back into the first team , telling lies to the fans , changing the name of SJP , (soon to add selling tiote and who knows who else)
GOOD, Under soil heating , good youth setup , good scouting , (however if we scout good tallent of develop good talent then flog it for big bucks whats the point)
I then add up the bad and it comes to 8 wheras the good only adds up to 3 so from this i conclude using facts rather than what i think or want to happen and conclude MA is a sh@t owner 😛
Why are we selling good players when lesser teams than us in the prem with worse finances can keep theres imo MA is a greedy c@nt
keith(Quote)
so it shearers fault that 90% of the players didn’t give a fuk and were only thinking about their holidays 😕 yeah thats about right
Big Dave(Quote)
So 90% of the mackem mercinaries can give a fuk? 😉
DJG(Quote)