In fact this whole Carroll fiasco has made me wonder if we’re barking up the wrong tree in terms of where we should be looking to strengthen first.
Obviously we have the two young lads – Romain Amalfitano and Gael Bigirimana – already signed and initiated in the black and white stripes but I get the sense that they will be more for the future or for backup and will effectively replace the spaces once occupied by Alan Smith and Danny Guthrie. However there are a number of other positions we need to strengthen if we are to make the most of our jolly into Europe and look to try and repeat the feat over the course of the next season.
Yes we need to strengthen our attack but we also have a defence that needs bolstering, and to be honest I would prefer it if we looked at that first. Good teams are built on solid foundations and all that….
That is not to say that we have to be entirely systematic in our approach to transfers and I dare say things are being looked at that nobody knows about, but I would personally prefer it if I knew we had a new centre-back on the way along with a new right-back/left-back. Of course rumours are that Douglas and Mathieu Debuchy are being eyed to fill those roles, but as yet, nothing…
I’m fairly hopeful that it will all come together come the end of the transfer window but until then I do worry. Perhaps I shouldn’t? Perhaps I should have a bit more faith? Whatever. I just think that I’d be a little less apprehensive if we could get an actual first-team player through the door that would strengthen the squad in any number of places where we look a bit light on both numbers and quality.
The question is, where do you start?
ST – by the same token, you dont know that we didn’t, you also don’t know that it’s as difficult as we seem to be making it. Other clubs are signing players and haven’t – simple. It’s got **** all to do with paper talk or silos fucking computer games that I have never owned or played!!
This is an open forum mate and I’m not moaning, I’m voicing my concerns. My opinion does not shadow yours and that’s fine but that doesn’t make them ridiculous or moaning, particularly when others either agree or can at least see where I’m coming from.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Paulmag thats one player mate that Sloppy chops probably convinced to stay, but generally if a player is not happy and made it public it normally only ends one way
The Mildge Lovens Guthrie and Best all played last year as for Smith and Forster they mightn’t have played but it doesn’t me that the squad isn’t weakened
Big Dave(Quote)
JJ@66
Well done – 3 out of 3 correct.
Also, we will not buy Debuchy to strengthen the defence, he will be played as RM.
Like I’ve said several times over the last 6 weeks , Jonas will be played as a full back this year with Pardew currently deciding whether Jonas or Santon for RB or LB . Who were the full backs against Monaco?
sidekick(Quote)
Big Dave hope your right. It would be great to see Debuchy flying down the wing in Black and White. Also hope young Fergies back soon, i really rate him
paulmag(Quote)
Sharpy @ 76 thats one of my pet hates on here is that at times you can get people saying that we’ll be ok and we’ll get the players we need etc etc and that we need to give the club time, but they have no prove that that will happen in most cases they’re just living in hope, but I never see them being abused for their views. But some of the same people will have a go at people ( the neggers etc and all that **** ) that see it a different way from them and don’t see it all rosey
Big Dave(Quote)
Paulmag Debouchy coming in and Ba going out are the only transfers that I really believe will happen, there may be others but they’re the only 2 that i’m sure off 😉 I have nowt to base it on just gut feelings
Big Dave(Quote)
Sidekick > Jonas will be played as a full back this year with Pardew currently deciding whether Jonas or Santon for RB or LB . Who were the full backs against Monaco?
The last bit is like saying Simmo is going to be covering as a CB if your basing it on the Monaco game
Big Dave(Quote)
DAVE what are you doing on blog at this time?your always late on a wed,trying to catch batty oot like 😀
icedog(Quote)
agree dave to many on here have to much faith in the board,lets not forget that in most windows under jabba he has done fk all.
BEDSHEETS 😆 😆 😆 😆
hitman(Quote)
how long has pardew been saying we are going to sign a c/h,last window i think
icedog(Quote)
i can see debuchy going pear shaped like.
under bidding 🙄
😆 😆
hitman(Quote)
Ice I was off tonight as I was helping a mate get his new tat studio ready to open,
As for a CH yeah last sseason sure even Jabba said about getting one in the last window, and Pards said a few times that he wanted to get it wrapped up before the Euros 😕
Big Dave(Quote)
I couldnt put up with another season of Simpson going through the motions, back up centre half? On Monday he missed every ball in the air, got turned inside out and when he went to fullback, he either ran the ball out of play or passed to the opposition.
Got to be one of the worst defenders we have ever had.
Robert(Quote)
@Trumpet
We did and still have a wage . The train is still on full steam ahead. 😉
Troy Stavers(Quote)
Wage cap 😯
Troy Stavers(Quote)
thought cissie was oot of fettle,whats he doing in the water then 😆
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2175523/Newcastle-white-water-rafting-Germany.html
icedog(Quote)
Troy aussie was missing you this morning 😉
batty(Quote)
Robert well I think Willo is far worse than Simmo ❓
Big Dave(Quote)
I don’t think anyone here knows who.we are in for and how much we have bid or not bid for a player. I do think the club is moving in the right direction. The players who have left will be replaced within the squad by the young players like fergie sammy etc etc. And i think we will get 2 defenders and an attacker in. Who i haven’t got a clue but have faith they will be good players at the right price
Johno Toon(Quote)
Johno the problem is that the player that left were experienced players young Sammi, Vuckic etc have no real footie experience nevermind prem ex and imo will just smoulder away in the reserves waiting to get an odd 5 to 10 mins once in a blue moon, the way that Vuckic has went for the last 4 seasons or more, he hasn’t progressed at all because he needs regular footie ❓
As for the 2 defenders and an attacker I hope they get good players in but tbh I don’t really worry about the price
Big Dave(Quote)
Dave if they are good enough they are old enough and I have faith in pardew that he knows if they are good enough. I do care about the price. I don’t want the club to spend 35£ million on a player who is not worth it.
Johno Toon(Quote)
The main issue I have is we should be signing players by now for pre season and that’s not me being a panicky pete ,it’s just common sense.How can it be right that players may come in towards the end or god forbid deadline day and amalgamate into the squad straight away ,that’s a crazy way to do things imo.
kimtoon(Quote)
Johno I don’t care about the price because I know that Jabba won’t over spend, as for being good enough they’re old enough I have no probs with that but I still think they still need experience of regular footie
Kim I agree with you oh and the lad looks well in his new top 😉
Big Dave(Quote)
Dave ,thanks ,clashes with his combat trousers a bit though 😀
kimtoon(Quote)
Kim lol my lass is always going on at me about everything clashing with my combats as I normally wear them for work 😆 you don’t notice wee splats of ink on them as much 😉
Big Dave(Quote)
KIM long time since dave worked,unless you call stabbing people with needles work,i have a back back carrying dave on this blog 😆 😆
icedog(Quote)
Dave ,Ice 😆 you two are like an old married couple.
kimtoon(Quote)
Who in their right mind would want the club to spend £35m on a player who isn’t worth it though?
I would, however, like them to get on with putting a reasonable offer for Debuchy and Douglas (if they indeed are the targets identified by Pardew and the scouts) to get the players in quicker.
That will give Pardew and the coaches longer to work with them in the pre season which will help them gel with the rest of the squad enhancing our chances of a good start to the season.
Pootle(Quote)
KIM aye hes knocking on a bit,but as long as he keeps takeing the tablets he will be fine 😀 😀
icedog(Quote)
Ice your back most be sore cause i’m heavy mate, but think yersel lucky you don’t have to carry Richie 😆 so stop complaining and keep carrying.
Kim 😳 thats like me being married to my great granda
Big Dave(Quote)
😀 😀 😀
icedog(Quote)
Pootle no one I have heard have been asking for that but sure 🙄
Big Dave(Quote)
Well ,they say your as young as you feel . 😉
kimtoon(Quote)
🙄 or the one that you feel 😆
Big Dave(Quote)
aye your as old as the women you feel 😆 😆 😆
icedog(Quote)
Yeah. I always find it strange when people say things like “I don’t want the club to spend xxx amount of multi miliions on bad players”
I can’t imagine anyone ever sets out to buy bad players at all. I don’t believe any fan ever wants us to buy bad players.
I mean £35m??????
All people are asking for is that we hurry up and don’t mess about hugely underbidding as the longer it takes to get the players (that Pardew and the scouts have identified, not the fans, incidentally) into the club, the less time the coaches have to integrate them before the season starts.
Pootle(Quote)
Ice 😆
Pootle I know and your right even Pards said he wanted to get his players in before the Euros, but sure we just have to have faith in Jabba and co as it’s not as if he would let us down
Big Dave(Quote)
Ashley probably sees it all as one big game of poker. He is always bluffing and representing a hand trying to psyche out the opponent.
The Andy Carroll thing could be a inside joke between him Pards and Derrick to mock Liverpool. I would love to have him back for the homecoming aspect but in footballing terms an dressing room dynamics it’s a wrong move and they know it I reckon.
Glad to see us active in the market yet I reckon there may be a couple of aces up the sleeve that we don’t know about
Moreno(Quote)
It cracks me up. It really does: Them agents/newspapers/internet sites/twitter? Can’t believe a word of it – oh but I’ll use them as the basis to form an opinion. 😆 😆 😆
Do we really know what is happening in negotiations? Are we privy to conversations in the Newcastle boardroom?
I don’t know what Newcastle’s priorities are but mine would be to get in 3 defenders and a forward, and another Cabaye.
brisvegas(Quote)
Moreno
Ashley is extremely good at keeping his cards close to his chest when it comes to business. If by some miracle we do land Carroll and its for under 15m then he deserves the nobel business award for the greatest sale/buy in the history of the world. 😎
andymag(Quote)
See there’s a JJB sport ad at the top of the page. Ashley will feel betrayed whilst Whelen is snickering to himself 😕 😆
andymag(Quote)
FSOTC, are you a proper New Yorker? Big Irish Toon fan over here for the summer. Where’s best to go once the premiership starts?
Buddy(Quote)
Buddy- I used to live there. Nevada smiths use to be the big footy bar. Kind of a madhouse but they used to get a good toon presence
MDS(Quote)
Agree with Vegas at 114….. no one knows how much we have bid for a player, other than the parties directly involved… 😕
So why get wound up over fictional amounts guessed & printed by the gutter press….
Aussie Magpie Fan(Quote)
Also agree with Moreno @113 😉
F*ck, I am in an agreeable mood today 😯 😆
Aussie Magpie Fan(Quote)
Aussie – I think the point that most are trying to make – certainly the point I’m trying to make, is that if you forget all paper talk, all of the player we are supposed to be chasing, all the bids we have allegedly made.
The fact is that we still haven’t signed anyone yet!
Pardew will have known which players would leave this summer and which players he would want in and which positions he’d desperately want strengthening. He’ll have submitted his wish list before the end of the season.
Every team who will be fighting for the top 4 next season have already brought players in who will benefit from pre-season training.
We don’t have any in and don’t appear to be close to having one in, and that’s my biggest gripe.
I’m not too bothered we missed out on LDJ (although I rate him) as long as we get a CF in. I’m not too concerned Jan Vert opted for Spurs, if we were actually ever in for those players in the first place.
I believe we missed out on a CF last summer and a CB in Jan, mainly coz Pards said himself he was disappointed.
I just dont want the same scenario, let’s get the players Pardew wants in nice and early to integrate them. I don’t care who they are or how much they cost, just don’t leave it til the last minute.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Sharpy, I see and hear what your saying mate…. but every transfer deal is different and can not be compared…We are trying to pry Debuchy from Lille, who obviously don’t want to sell him, so it is not going to be an easy deal…. We have brought in two young fella’s with relative ease but they seem to get forgotten when we talk about not signing anyone.. If a club has no problem with selling a player and the fee is agreed then a deal can be done swiftly…… but I agree, the one issue we do stumble on is paying above our valuations.. However, I really want someone to put their hand up and say they would be happy to pay way more than what they were originally prepared to pay for an item. We all have budget restraints in everyday life to a certain degree, so to say we should just simply pay more is a big call…
Aussie Magpie Fan(Quote)
Aussie – I haven’t forgot about the 2 in, but I wouldn’t say the are first teamers yet and are yet more midfielders when it’s defenders and CFs we mostly need. I understand what you are saying about some signings being difficult as Debuchy is proving to be, but I would have thought at least one would be straight forward. As I say, Spurs, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal, Man Utd have all managed … They have money I hear you say – fair enough, Reading, Southampton, Fulham and QPR have all added.
Also though, let’s not forget that we have a Billionaire owner, so we aren’t short of a bob or two, and Pardew has said we have the money to bring in 2-3 without selling.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Come the start of the season I`m not so worried-any injuries and we`r screwed-come January and half our squad head for the African nations-YES I`ll be worried. We have a tiny squad and have done for years now-our first team can do wonders if kept intact but the top and bottom is we need players in, the good side of our “policy is we no longer buy “the best young prospect from Seychelles” and go after quality which is great but we need cover in most positions rather than trying to make players fit. The 2 lads we`v brought in have been bigged up to hide the fact that we`v signed nobody as yet-prospects are not whwat we`ll need in the back end of the season and during the African cup.We`v got a long and exiting season to look forward to but my concern is that injuries and players other comitements will spoil it for us. Who leads the line come January-Shola? saddly I fear not and Rangers a wast of space,at times he looks good (inbetween visits to local police stations) but cant score goals-get rid!!!.. Gonna be an interesting few weeks but the fact is we need to sign players.. Bring on the new season-good times ahead? Hope so..
Big-Al.(Quote)
I heard you were missing me Aussie yesterday morning. 😛 love is………. 😳
Afraid I can’t hang round . Off to work. 😈
Troy Stavers(Quote)
awwww Troy comes on line just to see if I have posted 😳 :
it’s kind of creepy actually 😕 😆
Aussie Magpie Fan(Quote)
it’s funny really…. our recent transfer successes and dealings are the envy of nearly every opposition team and their fans. the press seem to say we have done well and we have a great scouting network….to me, some focus needs to be taken off our short term trials and tribulations in the market place and more faith placed in the powers that be… I think they have done a fecking good job of it up to now… I think we will get the players we need and if not now, in January…
Aussie Magpie Fan(Quote)
I think it is all a game of brinkmanship,with the acon if ivory coast beat Senegal we only loose tiote in January.Interesting time in our lead up to new season.Still have not made up my mind about carroll ,current talk from dippers they will only sell if price suits ,thats us out of the bidding.Think we only want him back cheap.I still think we will get the players we want ,it is just harder now because our transfer dealings are fully understood.
Tommy Gibb(Quote)
Aussie – I take nothing away from any of those things. You’re right, they have worked some miracles and unearthed some real gems.
I’m not disputing that, and I’m not ‘negging’ on that at all, I’m simply quoting Pardew. He was frustrated not to get his CF last summer and equally frustrated not to get his CB in Jan. I just happen to agree with him, and would not be happy if we start this season short of the players we need. I seriously can’t see how you would be fine with waiting til Jan to bring the players we need in?!
Yes they done brilliant with transfers last summer but if we want to keep up with the likes of Spurs and Arsenal then it can’t be a one off. They have strengthened so far, we haven’t – in fact without Guthrie and Best, we are actually weaker
Sharpy17(Quote)
Sharpy, this may go against popular opinion but I would like to see our young guys get a real go, so I am not to worried about any shortages… If this means we drop a place or two and our young guys develop well, then I see it as a positive… A bit of short term pain for some long term gain if you will…
Aussie Magpie Fan(Quote)
or it could read – Newcastle still could get Douglas 😡
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/9824254.Magpies_could_miss_out_Douglas/
When you write a noncommittal article, you could put what ever title you want on it… 😕
Aussie Magpie Fan(Quote)
Aussie non committal articles are the jounro and chrons favourtie; then they tell everyone they told us about it months ago! Ho hum…..
Basically no one knows what the hell is really going on at the club;
Carroll – Pards confirmed could be a board deal
Debuchy – Nothing from the club
Douglas – Nothing from the club
Anita – Clearly agent talk
Thats the reality of the situation as we all cling on to ‘sky sources’ or some agent hoping to make a buck…..
Im still confident we will we sign completely random set of players and all we can do is second guess…
Someone mentioned gamerio/erdinc and after PSG signed ibra and lavezzi wonder what there futures look like?
Liam Southern Toon(Quote)
Liam 😉 with our transfer speculation in the press it seems that one day our cup is half full and then a day later, it is half empty…. just change the point of view and hey presto, you have a new article 😯 😕
Aussie Magpie Fan(Quote)
Morning all . Have we signed anyone yet ❓ 😕
kimtoon(Quote)
I see Buck Rogers has dismissed our loan bid as ridiculous 😆 😆 Would love to of been a fly on the wall when that request went in. 😆
kimtoon(Quote)
Sorry Brenda but before branding my club ridiculous:
Who raised the idea of loaning him out ??
Who offered him to newcastle last year ??
Who offered him to man city in exchange from Tevez ??
Who told him he is surplus to requirements ??
Who fecking paid £35m for him in the first place ??
Dumpy cunts blatantly had his **** paddles by the yanks, He’ll be gone by crimbo…
CC(Quote)
CC@136 😆 Love that. They are actually now a bigger circus than we ever were. 😉
kimtoon(Quote)
CC…. 😆 😆
Liam/Aussie…That’ll be the same Northern Echo that said we’d had a 5m bid accepted for Douglas 🙄 ……believe nowt until they’re holding up a **** quality shirt in front of some Sports Direct sign 😆
richietoon(Quote)
Put this up the other day but it was the last post on the thread so cos it’s quiet I’ll put it up again
Slightly off topic…and slightly bizarre but this is Bayern Munich’s new signing – Mario Mandžukić
go onto Google translate then copy and paste his name and translate from Croatian to English
richietoon(Quote)
Talking of the dirty ‘dippers – I just read this on Twitter…
Phil McNulty @philmcnulty
When Joe Allen to Liverpool was mentioned other day heard Swansea would use fee paid for Jordan Henderson as measure for any potential deal.
😆 😆 😆 😆 😆
King Kenny proper fcuked them up like!!!
Toon Chicken(Quote)
TC..if that’s the case they should be asking for £30m for Allen 😆
richietoon(Quote)
I heard 15m quoted for Allen
aussie magpie fan(Quote)
Saves us the feckin cutting and pasting and just tell us what that fella’s name translates to… sheeesh 🙂 🙂
aussie magpie fan(Quote)
rich
that is freaky 😆
IMO Allen is average at best, Same with Borini and their fans are saying we are going to drop down the league next season **** me they are in for a shock, Am i the only one who is looking forward to them passing the ball back to the keeper every 2 minutes like swansea, Cant wait to see the reaction when they do that at anfield when they are pushing forward…
CC(Quote)
Getting an inquiry from Liverpool about one of your players must be like winning the fooking lottery these days! 😛
Think of a number, double it and add £10mil!!! 😆
Toon Chicken(Quote)
To be honest if henderson is £20m allen must be £50m 😉
Liam Southern Toon(Quote)
TC 😯 😯 😯 😯 😯
Liam Southern Toon(Quote)
Rodgers will be the first bloke sacked next season…. he hasn’t had to deal with big personalities as yet.. poor old AVB found out what that was like last season…
aussie magpie fan(Quote)
I don’t know Aussie – I think everyone will be so mesmerised by their pretty little passes in and around their own 18 yard box that people will forget their only 2 points above the relegation zone.
Toon Chicken(Quote)
2nd their = they’re 😳
Toon Chicken(Quote)