At the end of the day we are all fans of the football, and not the politics that surrounds the inner workings of the club.
Now the match is out of the way though I feel compelled to chip my two penneth worth of opinion into the whole Demba Ba debate that has spilled out as a result of the Everton game on Monday night. Ba may have made a point on the pitch, but for me he is becoming far too much hassle than he is worth and somewhere, somehow, a line must be drawn.
Ba was dropped to the bench for the Everton match which in fairness is probably harsh and perhaps Papiss Cisse should have paid the price for his substandard showings this season, but at the end of the day it was the decision for the manager to make and, rightly or wrongly, he made it.
The way Ba responded on the pitch was superb, the best possible riposte he could have made. If he wanted to show the manager he had made the wrong call by dropping him then his two goals, albeit courtesy of two rare Tim Howard lapses in concentration, were exactly the way to “shove two fingers up” at the boss and make him think twice about dropping Ba again.
What happened prior to, and shortly after, the match was embarrassing however. Soon after the team sheet was announced, Ba’s brother took to Twitter to lambast Alan Pardew. Then soon after the game we heard Demba Ba cryptically tell the world that he hadn’t been happy about some stuff that had been going on, although that was all we heard leaving the door wide open to speculation.
Then the very next day we heard from his agent how Ba would be looking to leave United if he was continually dropped or played out of his favoured central striking position, although he did also add that Ba was happy at Newcastle in that very same interview.
To me this whole circus needs to stop. Ba may well quite often say how much he likes it at Newcastle and how he loves the fans, but his actions seem to suggest otherwise. In fact looking back he has been rather ruthless at all of the clubs he has been at throughout his career which leaves me wondering whether we are just another stepping stone in Demba Ba’s path to financial greatness.
Firstly he went on strike at Hoffenheim in an attempt to force through a move to the Premier League with Stoke City. That move fell through due to a problem with his medical and he signed for West Ham instead. He was relegated at Upton Park and invoked a release clause in his contract which saw him sign for Newcastle where it has subsequently been discovered that he has another clause in his contract allowing him to leave for a fee believed to be in the region of £7 million.
Now let me clear this up, I would absolutely love Ba to stay and he is one of my favourite United stars at this moment in time. But there comes a time when it’s best for a player to move on, and I think Demba Ba is getting that way. He needs to learn to wind his entourage in, keep things private, and learn that sometimes you can’t have everything your own way.
Just my thoughts anyway…
Hmmmmm, good article. A brave article also.
Let’s face it, Ba is a class act on the pitch but if he thinks he’s better than us it’s best to ship out. Personally I don’t think he is too good for us and he could take a lesson from Carroll and Enrique if he thinks the grass is greener elsewhere.
To be honest though all this is probably a storm In a teacup, his agent can **** off, as can all the agents in the game. They take the spotlight off from the main thing….. The football.
Nobby(Quote)
Why do players need agents. ??? Hang the bloody lot of em. The players are supposed to be Professional so why don’t they sort out their own contracts through an appointed solicitor. Simples!!. No more money grabbing B*****ds.
Porciestreet(Quote)
And sh!tstirers.
Porciestreet(Quote)
Yeah agree Nobby I think storm in a tea cup is the perfect way to put it. I think Ba was left out on Everton for tactical reasons and it didnt work out. He came on , done the business and I think he will start against Norwich on Sunday.
Johno Toon(Quote)
Not convinced this is anything to do with agents stirring up a move. That idea failed in the summer. My guess is this is personal ego /status between the two Dembas. When playing for Senegal they only play one up front often Sow. and I think Ba hates the idea of being 2nd fiddle to anyone especially a fellow countryman. So when he’s dropped at the expense of Cisse he’s going to see it as personal. This is i think Ba saying he should be No 1 and Cisse dropped in favor of him. They can’t seem to play together, and maybe that’s ego getting in the way. Maybe we need to accept that “This Toon ain’t big enough for the both of them” and ship one out.
premandup(Quote)
Porcie , again have to agree about agents. They are ruining football in my opinion. If a player wants an agent or whoever to represent them on contract neogiations they should pay for those services not the club. I think if players paid you would see alot of agents leave the game and a lot less unhappy players. I do agree footballers should try make as much as they can as ther career is fairly short but agents promote greed. Which fans end up paying for in the end.
Johno Toon(Quote)
ba is a cert to play on sunday,i would like to see ben arfa playing just behind him and leave cisse on the bench bringing him on as an impact sub with 20min to go
bazza(Quote)
totally agree with you toonsy, Ba needs to stop acting like a child and do whats best for his team and club, he needs to suck it up and get back out wide to benefit the team
Instructatoon(Quote)
We are privvy to what Demba has told his agent, but I reckon ‘SHUT UP’ will be in there somewhere.
Demba never ever comes across as been aggressive or anything like that when interviewed, definitely think this was an agent trying to get a few more
$/£/€ in his pocket.
Demba has said more many times that he is happy at Newcastle, if the press and ‘our manager’ would let it rest, maybe we could all move.
We all seem to forget that he was banging them in for fun at the beginning of last season, this was curtailed a bit when he was asked to play out wide, but he’s top scorer again this season, and personally hope he is at the end of the season.
My pet subject – Stroller and last night, have this feeling that Demba in the same position as Stoller was would have had a hat trick. So those that want to see Demba leave think of the alternatives other than Cisse there is not a lot.
ash1001(Quote)
Premandup i was thinking that too . Otherwise why would 2 class strikers not be playing in tandem for their country .It could also explain why Cisse did not congratulate Ba when he scored against Everton , if 1has too be got rid of too protect the harmony in the team then i hope its Ba that goes .
Axel(Quote)
sorry but for me ship him out,it only causes un-rest with the other players these sort of things roll over to others (wages) we only need “team” players
at the club imo
icedog(Quote)
Good article.
Premandup @5- you might be right
MDS(Quote)
Mountain, meet mr molehill
I Love Mike(Quote)
Hope I’m not it was just a thought that seemed to explain some of the known data
premandup(Quote)
In answer to the question – it’s a no for me like.
I do honestly believe that Ba enjoys playing for us, and probably deep down knows that he’s not going to get more playing time at a ‘bigger club’.
I think he’d be better advised to part with his agent rather than NUFC, but his agent is there to get him the best contract possible and you’d have to say that he’s done right by Ba so far like.
I also think there is some weight to Prems theory, that there may be an element of jealousy from Ba in Cisses direction. In my opinion they are equally as good, and there is certainly an arguement that Ba has been better value for money. It must have got under his skin a little bit when Cisse came in and started scoring straight away, particularly when his goals dried up at the same time – and all the while his being asked to help Cisse settle in, translating for him and things but Cisse is pushing him out of position and grabbing all the headlines, when Ba was that player at the start of the season.
The reality is tho that whilst other clubs offer higher wages, this is always going to be a problem at NUFC, as it is at Arsenal, with RVP leaving there for Man Utd. I like Ba, but I think he is one in what will likely be a long list of players passing through NUFC, raising their profile then leaving for a club who pay higher wages, Carroll and Enrique has been mentioned but you could also add Nolan and Barton to that list aswell.
Hopefully it gets resolved, if not, life will go on without him.
Sharpy17(Quote)
If I had to choose then Cisse would be out. Ba gives more to the team in terms of link up play. He has also been more adaptable. Ideally though they would create a partnership but I can’t see it happening now.
griff(Quote)
its no good geting rid of ba he is a class player and couldont see ashley geting in a striker of ba class as he will not spend it would leave a massive hole that will not be filled we need all our top players including ba
chris(Quote)
Toonsy ,I said pretty much everything you have said the other night ,I’m sick of the whole circus as it detracts from our on field activities. I do really like Ba and I’m grateful for all he has done and continues to do but this cannot be allowed to fester on .He either has to tell his agent to shut it or sack him because he’s starting to make his posistion at the club untenable imo .Noone is bigger than N.U.F.C ,perhaps someone needs to let Bas agent know this. 😉
KIMTOON(Quote)
Erm…
I sense that many Toon fans are falling for the press propaganda that is constantly trying to cause **** out of something miniscule.
Really don’t see anything wrong. He got dropped once for one half of an entire season.
Who knows what he meant about not being happy. It could be something personal. Or to do with his performances or having to play on the left etc.
So what.
If the worst comes to the worst and he leaves. He and no other players apart from maybe Colo and Cheik are too irriplaceable.
JJ(Quote)
Chris @17 , If it’s true he’s asking for £90k a week and gets it then it will only make other players want more which could cause all manner of strife.
KIMTOON(Quote)
Players come and go. Think PRadew is open to letting hi
Go as he is not afraid of announcing the release clause to the whole world. My concern is Ba is class for us and he would be very hard to replace, but we’ll no doubt get over it if he goes. He also has to take some of the blame for being played out of position, if he was less selfish when up front with Cissein a 442 then he might get into better positions and we might score more often…. However, as things stand I dont think he’s neing that out of order and we need him, so my vote is for him to stay. For now… 😀
Shamrock(Quote)
I hope Ba stays and gets rid of his agent but that is unlikely. If he is asking for 90K a week he will be gone as it would destroy our whole wage structure. Unfortunately we would only get 7M and to Ashley that would just be pocket money. Even if reinvested it amounts to almost nothing as we would want a player, the agents fee, and any increase in the wage bill to be paid out of it. Totally ridiculous of course and who would we get for 2 or 3 M pounds? The best we can hope for is for Ba to settle for a lower wage and Pardew finds a workable formation for the team that incorporates Ba and Cisse. I really don’t know what the focus for the club is this season. Is it to finish as high as possible in the league as Pardew has said? Then we had better bring in a very decent CB and another striker asap.
GeordieTwo(Quote)
Toonsy good read and a lot of good points which I have addressed lately, I don’t buy this **** that its his agent is all to blame, remember we had Joey B who had an ******* big mouth for an agent and the only time we heard stuff from him was when things were going on with the player he represented ( Joey ) so IMO the agent is acting on Ba’s words or say so and not doing it of his own bat.
I also don’t buy this love for the Toon because he hasn’t been with us for long enough and has no ties to us except he plays for us and gets paid buy us.
Even last season when he was subbed he had a face on him like a wet kipper and often walked straight past his team mate with out a word and then past his manager without a word too, Funny enough I noticed that lastnight with Oba when he came off and blanked his team mate Marv 😕 so much for the great team spirit
Big Dave(Quote)
This will be a much more challenging season for Pardew than the last was. We are coming off our best finish in several years and the team did seem to have great spirit. Now we have players eyeing bigger wage packets and other clubs sniffing around. With Llambias we have a managing director who doesn’t really work together with Pardew but only looks to the bottom line for his beloved Ashley. This works well when the team is playing well and players who have been bought on the cheap have overperformed but what happens now? French teams are not giving good players away on the cheap anymore as we saw this summer. Other players bought on the cheap such as Obertan haven’t worked out so now we have difficulties on RW if we don’t play Ben Arfa out there even though he seems out of position there to me. We have 2 great strikers who can’t seem to play together. We have Cabaye running around smiling even when we are losing who seems to have no fire in his belly this season. It’s a real challenge to Pardew and I hope he’s up to it.
GeordieTwo(Quote)
DAVE @23 bloody dead reet,nee good skipping round the truth,some wont agree but the truth always hurts some,no one is bigger than the club 😡
icedog(Quote)
BIG DAVE i wonder if thats a typical french thing blanking the team mate that is replacing them and the all round petulance ? as for Ba not being here long enough too love the Toon ,i have to disagree . Everyone falls in love with the Toon after a couple of days in the place and i am not just on about the football club but the city and everything in and around it . 😉 😆
Axel(Quote)
Ice your spot on me old bean, and no matter what anyone says I honestly believe that there is trouble behind the scenes and I didn’t need Steve Wraith to tell me that, the players when they’ve been playing tells me there is something not right.
I don’t care what **** I get threw at me for saying what I believe because it’s what a blog is all about, and if some don’t agree well thats their right the sameway that it’s my right to voice what I believe 😉
Big Dave(Quote)
Axel I would sort of agree with that but maybe not when your a very well payed footballer who might be looking for a higher wage because he’s not getting his own way, after all in this world money normally rules 😈
Big Dave(Quote)
Have to say I think you’re right as well Big Dave. Something is definitely not right with the club right now. Whether most of it is coming from Ba and his agent I don’t know. The injuries have hurt us badly and the fact that we haven’t brought in cover at CB really highlights our problems at the managing director position. Several players need to be cleaned out as quickly as possible. I would put Obertan in that group as well as Xisco (this is the last season on his contract thank God), and Ranger (what a complete clown and terrible example for the youngsters). Can’t wait to get Colo back so that Willo doesn’t have to play, and Tiote to put some steel into our midfield.
GeordieTwo(Quote)
DAVE i said weeks ago on here sumit isnt right at the club,some said your nega theres nowt wrong but imo you can see it in the way they going about there game apart from the likes of bigi,ant,there isnt that fire in their belly imo 😡
icedog(Quote)
BIG DAVE your right ,it is apparent that something is just not as it should be , the problem now is what is wrong ? To be honest i dont think its the wages ,yes footballers are looking for the big pay day but the current squad joined under Ashley’s regime and they signed the contracts they are on now . I have a feeling its some players Oba , Ba & Marveaux not being able to take the fact that they are not automatic first choice and have a problem being part of a squad .As for Cabaye i have a feeling he was not happy being used more in a holding role than using his more natural attacking instincts . It will be interesting to see which team starts against Norwich that starting 11 could answer a few questions . I have a feeling Ba , Oba and Marveaux will not start and will not feature much between now and January .
Axel(Quote)
Kim @ 20
Where’d you hear that Ba is asking for 90k/week?
OHurley(Quote)
Axel I have a feeling that in Ba’s case it is that he was talked in to staying by Pards assurance that he would play all the games as the main striker, and his contract would be renegotiated with maybe a pay rise, but maybe it hasn’t happened.
I too think that Cabaye hasn’t looked himself and I believe that that could be down to the fact that he publicly spoke about the club signing his friend Debuchy and they never got him, there is no way in this world that Cabaye would have went out on a limb to get Debuchy unless he had a clear understanding from someone at the club that if he convinced him and persuaded him to seek a transfer to us that they would then swoop to bring him here, but they failed and it seems to be that it was because they didn’t want to pay the price that Lille wanted, and again there is no way the club wouldn’t have been 99% certain what the fee would have been. Also Timmy Krul came out and said we needed some players brought in 😕
Big Dave(Quote)
Geordie Two @ 22
4-3-1-2 is the answer. Allows both strikers to play in a central location while Ben Arfa plays as the CAM. Works a charm on FIFA like 😉
OHurley(Quote)
Oh here’s a bit about it http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/newcastle-united/nufc-news/2012/09/20/newcastle-play-hardball-over-ba-s-wage-demands-72703-31871150/?
Big Dave(Quote)
I agree Ohurley @34, I’ve said the same thing. It should be tried, and it seems so obvious with the 3 attacking players we have in Ba, Cisse, and Ben Arfa. Surely Norwich at home would be a good place to try it. Maybe Pardew is waiting to get Tiote back as a 3 man midfield would be a challenge for us right now. Cabaye doesn’t seem to be playing his best without Tiote and I think we need Anita to continue at RB. Also untile we get Collo back a 3 man midfield doesn’t give the back 4 enough cover. The injuries are a killer with no adequate replacements in the squad.
GeordieTwo(Quote)
I am going to repeat what I have said previously. I think Willo is a fine team mate but as far as skill goes he has very little. The main reason he is still in the squad is that he was cheap to buy and he is on a low wage (I think at most 15K a week). The reason we are struggling right now is the absence of Collo and Tiote. If we had bought a decent CB in the summer and focused on finding a formation that works for Ba and Cisse we would be far better off now. The Ashley approach with Llambias as MD won’t take us any further than we reached last season. Fifth is the best we will do under this owner with his pet MD who knows nothing about football. Sad to say but worth saying. Pardew is locked into a system he has no power in. We have a lot of very promising youngsters at various positions but no depth whatsoever in skill players with senior experience at CB for example. I hope I am proven wrong and we can rise higher in the league or win a cup but I am very doubtful. The biggest clubs will always find a way around some of the FFP rules as Man City already has. I hope Pardew can get the best out of the players we have in the short term and I really enjoy watching Bigi play. He is definitely a star of the future for us.
GeordieTwo(Quote)
I agree with people about the jealousy thing, I mean, Cisse even stole Ba’s trademark celebration 😉
I think Ba is a fantastic player, and other than finishing is a better all round player than Cisse in most terms. However, I think he’ll be going, I cant for the life of my understand why we allowed that clause in his contract or even why Pards admitted it was still there, other than giving it out now so it doesn’t cause surprise later on though I suppose.
He’s an absolute bargain at 7.5mil and I can’t believe any decent club wouldn’t take him off us. Even if he is a ****/surrounded by twats and his knees could explode..
Newkie(Quote)
Also re the 4-3-1-2 I suggested that would be our main formation when we bought Anita presumably for the first team, providing we had a clean bill of health.
It has also been tried, in the second half against Spurs I believe?
Newkie(Quote)
@34. OH that’s exactly the formation I’d use. At least give it a try. we would be very difficult to beat if Pards finds a way to get ba and cisse playing well together.
MDS(Quote)
Pardew must be worried about the Ba situation to be commenting about it to the press. I would think if he continues to get playing time and scores goals at a regular rate he deserves to be paid in line with what Collo gets ( I’m not sure what that is but around 70K a week). The situation with Cisse is less clear. He seems to be sick again as he was in the summer so I think it is unfair to judge him right now. If we can get our best 11 on the pitch for several consecutive games we should have a better idea of how the season will go. Again however as soon as we have injuries to key players we have no real quality subs either at CB or striker and with a huge number of games to play it is likely we will see more injuries. What are the owner’s thoughts on these issues?
GeordieTwo(Quote)
GEORDIETWO what are the owners thoughts ???
probably that you should be grateful 😆
Big Dave(Quote)
That sounds about right Big Dave but has he no football ambition for the club other than to get his money back and turn a tidy profit each season? I am dying to see us lift a cup and so are thousands of other supporters. Let’s get on with it. Put the players on the pitch who want the same for us. No sulking Oba, Ba etc, get out there and play! 😀
GeordieTwo(Quote)
GEORDIETWO you forgot the main reason that Jabba bought the club 😉 all the free advertisement for Sports Direct we have it everywhere now we play in a ground called sports direct arena that is covered from the ground up onto the roof with sports direct ads we now have sports direct all over the training kits.
As for ambition on the footie side well IMO he showed what that was during the summer window 😈
Big Dave(Quote)
Good points Big Dave. Talk about overdoing it with the ads! He has no class whatsoever when it comes to that sort of thing. All the talk about reinvesting all the incoming money on the team I guess is true if you consider we have just started to break even and show a profit each season but in the long term I just can’t see us rising into the top 4. Many of the players we thought might become outstanding a couple of seasons back have not really progressed. I am thinking of Ranger, Vuckic (a walking injury waiting to happen), Abeid (always spoken of in awed tones by Pardew but never breaks into the starting lineup even in the Europa games), even Gosling to some extent. The talk of us becoming a club very like Arsenal by our owner is just that to me, talk and nothing more. Arsenal’s owner clearly has ambition to win something in the near future. Does Ashley? I have very strong doubts about that.
GeordieTwo(Quote)
OH@32> It’s here says he’s seeking almost double his current wage 😯 .Sorry late getting back to you ,seeing to the lad.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/Demba-ba-wants-huge-pay-1332759
KIMTOON(Quote)
Dave@44 >You are spot on there ,it’s a matter of record that he stated that was the main reason for buying the club to help flog his waresto a wider public.
KIMTOON(Quote)
Good article and agree wholeheartedly.
Want what is best for NUFC. Positive mentality is everything and negative influences just need to be eradicated, one way or another. It comes down to the test of the manager again, his man management skills have generally been very good so he may be able to turn it round but you can’t bow to personal whims within a group of players like that….then everyone wants a say in their role.
A culture needs to be created that we are the management and you are the extremely handsomely paid employees…are you pulling in the same direction or not?
Moreno(Quote)
Geordietwo,
I always like a bit of Ashley resentment but I do believe he has ambition for the club to win something. He likes to bet, gamble and win at everything he does…he’s that kind of bloke.
He just doesn’t have enough ‘ambition’ required in today’s game, there’s people who want it much more and are willing to spend to get it.
Moreno(Quote)
Ah well, if his wage demands have been published in the Mirror then is must be 100% utterly completely true 😆
EvilFranky(Quote)
At the end of the day last season we got by with good team spirit, togetherness and all that *****. Average players like Best running the whole game and making chances for Ba to put away.
Kinda makes me wonder why we ever got rid of him, he was a handy player like Shola and he certainly wouldn’t be making dickish demands..
Newkie(Quote)
Newkie…
Look at how well Routledge has done…poor man management there as he clearly has the ability to contribute, Pards slagged him publically. He has dropped the ball with his gob on occasions 😆 or pushing match officials 😈
Moreno(Quote)
hello gang,
Miles off topic and I imagine youse are mostly off horsing around since it’s a Friday night and all, but does anybody know a good way to watch a full game well after broadcast time (and I don’t have tivo)? I’m going to miss the game on Sunday and am hoping against hope for some way to watch it on delay. Thoughts would be appreciated… thanks…
Fans Should Own The Club(Quote)
Geordie Two/Newkie
Yeah, the 4-3-1-2 just seems SO obvious. I know that FIFA is NO way to judge actual football success, but holy hell it made me unstoppable. Just seems like a much better way to organise what we have. That said, I also agree that we shouldn’t be straining ourselves without good cover at CB, a la Colo. Man, he needs to hurry up and get well!
Kim-
That’s shocking. He’s asking for double the wages… does he really believe he’s worth that? What a ***** precedent to set if the club actually saw fit to give him that… footballers and their greedy fukin agents.
OHurley(Quote)
Ohurley-Yeah to be fair I do think Pards is planning on using it, but seeing as Tiote has been out he’s a bit reluctant, I guess. There’s no crunch in the defensive pairing of Jonas/Anita despite their workrate, same for other other candidates in that area like Bigi.
Gosling might have a little bit too much crunch in him 😉
And fifa, are you kidding me! The only judge is Football Manager my friend….
Newkie(Quote)
4222 is the only way forward.. 🙂 🙂
I can’t believe Ice and Big Dave want to get rid of BA like they do..it seems they have been conditioned by the press and now they are turning on their own 🙂 🙂 🙂 I never thought I would see the day 🙂 mind you old age can play tricks on the mind 🙂 🙂 🙂
aussie magpie fan(Quote)
Laugh all you want Aussie…you know I speak the truth…
😛
In all seriousness, one problem playing Benny behind the strikers is that he’s probably just as selfish and imo he’s not even that good a passer…hmm.
Well, that’s what Pardy get’s paid for.
Newkie(Quote)
Newkie 🙂
aussie magpie fan(Quote)
Hah, hoots thinks we’ll be challenging for CL again, bless him. At least someone believes 😉
Newkie(Quote)
he is worth more to us than he is on now >>>>Having touted him across the continent over the summer in an attempt to get someone to activate a £7 million release clause, Ba’s advisers have since asked managing director Derek Llambias to extend and improve his £50,000-a-week contract.
Llambias has spoken to them, but with more than 18-months left to run on his current deal, and with Ba looking for at least parity with top earner and captain Fabricio Coloccini, who earns in excess of £60,000-a-week, the talks were brief.<<<< cant see why not if true but cant see 4 eyes and fatty doing it 😈
kkforever(Quote)
i hope we **** on norwich and pardew pisses all over cluelesschris from the stands
kkforever(Quote)
sell him….i dont like arrogant player…
sham(Quote)
(THIS IS A GOVERNMENT HEALTH WARNING. THIS POSTER IS LIABLE TO DISAGREE WITH YOUR POINT OF VIEW. ONLY ENGAGE IF YOU AREN’T SENSITIVE AND DON’T TAKE HISSY FITS)
This is the same problem that every football club has. You get players who outgrow the club. Arsenal have had the problem for years, likewise Spuds. It’s because we have a limit on our wage structure.
It’s understandable but it’s an issue that was mentioned way back on this blog. To progress to the higher echelons of the premier league then you have to pay top dollar.
We simply can’t afford to compete. Even arsenal struggle and they paid Fab over £100k per week.
The trouble manifests if the player is influential in the dressing room.
Hope Pards uses his silver tongue to sort it out.
Troy Stavers(Quote)
I’m hoping for some good flowing football tomorrow. Hopefully Hughton doesn’t set his team up to defend and block up the game. I can feel a 3 nil victory coming up 🙂 🙂
aussie magpie fan(Quote)
Batts I bet it will be hard for some, knowing who to gun for because of their love for clueless 😆
Aussie put that rod away you silly wombat, or atleast change your bait.
Big Dave(Quote)
Just jokes BD 🙂 no wind ups..
aussie magpie fan(Quote)
Aussie I didn’t think you were in to joking about people behind their backs, but sure if thats how you get your kicks 😥
Big Dave(Quote)
Yeah I am, where did you get he idea that I wasn’t 🙂 🙂
aussie magpie fan(Quote)
yeah Aussie right enough I forgot you were one of the blogs backstabbers
Big Dave(Quote)
Really?
aussie magpie fan(Quote)
🙄
Big Dave(Quote)
Are you pissed off or something?
aussie magpie fan(Quote)
😆 jump in Aussie 😀 and I bet you thought about replying thinking is big dave giving me a fishing lesson or have I done something on him 😉
Big Dave(Quote)
Pretty much 🙂 🙂 As soon as I posted the last comment, I thought this ***** is on the wind up 🙂 🙂 fair play to you good sir 🙂 🙂 🙂
aussie magpie fan(Quote)
😆 😆 ah well Aussie just think of it as another lesson, its not as bad if you make a right hugry wombat of yourself aslong as you learn from it 😉
Big Dave(Quote)