Both sides took the opportunity to rest players and to also reintroduce players that had been out for a number of weeks previously.
Cheik Tiote built on his substitute appearance against Norwich at the weekend by starting the match whilst Fabricio Coloccini managed to get an hour under his belt after a four week absence with hamstring/thigh complaint. For the home side Wayne Rooney started for the first time in four weeks whilst Darren Fletcher continued his path to fitness after over ten months on the sidelines.
The hosts were on top from the start and created the first chance of the match with ten minutes gone. Marnick Vermijl dleivered a fine cross from the right only to see Javier Hernandez flick the ball wide of the post. Newcastle responded by creating their own half chance as Shola Ameobi knocked the ball down for Dan Gosling who sliced the ball well wide of goal.
However from then on the hosts took control of the game. Anderson forced a fine save from Rob Elliot who palmed the ball wide of the goal at the expense of a corner before Danny Welbeck forced another decent save from the third choice ‘keeper. Tom Cleverley wasted their best chance of the of the half by firing wide from ten yards out after some good play which deserved a better finish.
For all the hosts dominance it looked as though a breakthrough wouldn’t be forthcoming and United would be able to head into half time with the scores intact at 0-0. That was until Anderson wriggled free from the attention of Dan Gosling, created some room for himself and launched a fierce shot towards goal that deflected off Rob Elliot’s near post before finding the back of the net. For me Dan Gosling should have been a bit stronger in the challenge but for some Mike Williamson could have done a bit more to block the attempt at goal.
Half-time: Manchester United 1-0 Newcastle United
The home side started the second half on top once more and Javier Hernandez sent another header off target, but from then on Newcastle tried to make a fist of things and started causing their own problems.
Shola Ameobi shot straight ad David de Gea before Haris Vuckic managed to make some space in the penalty area only to see his shot creep just wide of the far post with the Spanish goalkeeper beaten. If a goal was coming, it look to all intents and purposes that it would fall in favour of the away side, and with Papiss Cisse preparing to enter the fray things looked a bit more hopeful for the 700 or so vocal travelling members of the Toon Army.
But Manchester United have made a habit over the years of hitting back when they look to be under the cosh, and they did just that on the hour mark when Tom Cleverley put the finishing touches to a fine move on the edge of the Newcastle box by stroking the ball past Rob Elliot, who had little help from the Newcastle defence.
Game over, or so it looked until a few minutes later when two substitutes combined to give the away side a lifeline. Shane Ferguson was brought on for Fabricio Coloccini whilst Cisse replaced the uninspiring Vuckic, and the pair linked up almost immediately to restore hope as Shane Ferguson crossed from the left finding Papiss Cisse at the far post leaving the Senegal international the easiest chance to nod home and end his goal drought.
The Red Devils responded though and after a loose interception from Cheik Tiote the ball was fed to Javier Hernandez who rode the last ditch challenge from Mike Williamson only to see his ferocious shot ricochet off the crossbar with Rob Elliot beaten.
But Newcastle were still looking for an equaliser. Dan Gosling fired just high and wide with de Gea rooted to the spot. Then a much improved Papiss Cisse juggled a flick on from Shola Ameobi with his back to goal. After two “keepy-uppies” the 27-year-old unleashed an audacious overhead kick which rattled off the Manchester United crossbar.
With time running out Newcastle started to lose heart and the game started to fade away. There was one further chance for the away side though as Dan Gosling spun in the area and volleyed towards goal only to see his effort fall straight into the hands of David de Gea.
And that was pretty much it…
Full-time: Manchester United 2-1 Newcastle United
It always a shame to go out of any cup competition but being honest it was always on the cards at Old Trafford. Yes sure we could have named a stronger side, but we didn’t in favour of keeping players fresh for the weekend. At the end of the day we only did what a lot of other Premier League teams had done over the previous two nights.
However there were some positives for sure. The most important one for me being Papiss Cisse and his return to some kind of form. Not only did he find the back of the net, he also looked confident again and worked for the team just like last season. Hopefully this will be the kick start he needed.
I’d also like to give an honourable mention to James Tavernier. I thought he was excellent last night and not only defended well but also provided some threat going forward, both in terms of having a pop at goal and for sending crosses into the box.
Onwards and upwards I guess. I’d have liked us to go through to the next round obviously, but seeing the draw I just wonder how far we’d have gone anyway with a match against Chelsea in the next round, and they seem to be taking this competition seriously!
Howay the lads!
Man Utd: David De Gea, Marnick Vermijl, Michael Keane, Scott Wootton, Alexander Buttner, Darren Fletcher, Tom Cleverley, Anderson, Wayne Rooney, Danny Welbeck, Javier Hernandez
Subs: Sam Johnstone, Jonny Evans, Nick Powell, Ryan Tunnicliffe, Joshua King, Jesse Lingard, Robbie Brady
Newcastle: Rob Elliot; James Perch, Mike Williamson, Fabricio Coloccini (c), James Tavernier; Gabriel Obertan, Cheick Tiote, Dan Gosling, Sylvain Marveaux; Haris Vuckic; Shola Ameobi
Subs: Steve Harper, Shane Ferguson, Gael Bigirimana, Vurnon Anita, Romain Amalfitano, Sammy Ameobi, Papiss Cisse
Attendance: 46,358
I dont know what people want. The lads gave a decent acciunt if themselves against a top notch side away from home. Valuable experience for our youngsters too and Cisse off the mark. Happy days. Not sure we know what Gosling’s best position is, he just isnt clicking for us- but he always finds goalscoring opportunities. Think it would be a mistake to let him go, he still has a lot of pitential in my opinion. Obertan is not good enough at this level. His decision making is aweful and it undoes the good positions he initially gets into with his speed. Dave, I was impressed with Fergie’s crossing. You could well be right about him being a winger. Either way, he eill do a good job anywhere in our left and should play more often. Jim and Santon could be a good combination as he can drop back and defend when Sanyon overlaps easily. Feeling positive about that lad! Marv needs a solid run of games, just not sure we can risk his average performances whilst ge gets up to scratch. A short term lian would do him and us good I reckon. Elliot looks goid back up. Nice to see Tiote and Colo on the comeback trail. Things looking good for us
Shamrock(Quote)
These phones do me no favors with typing!
Shamrock(Quote)
Never nice to lose but there were important things to take from the game. On a positive note I thought Tavernier had an excellent game despite having to play two positions. Fergie looked a real threat (but not at full back) and Bigi looks more and more assured. Couple of nice things from Vuckic but will have to sharpen up considerably.
The negatives are a constant factor – Obertan, Marveaux, Gosling and Williamson are just not good enough for this NUFC! And this lifelong fan!
georgio(Quote)
Yeah, not too fussed with the result as this cup was the lowest priority of the whole year. Not surprised by the performance, given the blend of squaddies, youngsters and injury returnees but some individuals were certainly uninspiring when really they should be taking the chance to impress.
Ah well, three points please, and it’ll be a good week.
Newkie(Quote)
I think people need to rephrase their criticisms of players like Willo/Simpson etc.
“not good enough for this level” is objectively wrong. Williamson contributed more to last season than Taylor so clearly is capable in the Prem/cup games.
I’d agree with “not good enough to take us to the next level” though.
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
Also those questioning Pardew’s line up need to assess the line ups of the other teams playing in Europe, as well as teams like Everton’s.
Which of them played their first XI’s ❓
As said in the previous article, if we’d played our first team, lost, and suffered a couple of injuries, all hell would have broken loose!
Only change I would have made would to have been to have HBA on the bench, so that if the game was still in the balance with 15 mins left we could’ve let him terrorise.
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
ST I’m happy with Simmo and Willo as part of our squad. See no reason they cannot continue to contribute, they helped us achieve 5th last season in the 1st team after all. Obertan though, is not good enough at this level. He would make a great Championship player…
Shamrock(Quote)
Also out of interest for those who wanted us to win tonight and give this cup and the others a very strong attempt. Do you also expect us to reach the same league position or better? Because we all know how easily we went out of the cups last year which undoubtedly contributed to the league position. Do people honestly expect us to challenge properly on every front?… 😕
Newkie(Quote)
Yeah we should loan Obertan out for serious game time or just sell him now. I think when Pards was out of a job he must have been at some manure training sessions where Obertan actually looked really good.
Now the reality, over a year now with plenty of appearances. Nowt 😕
Newkie(Quote)
Obertan needs a stint in the Champ to toughen him up.
Still believe it was the making of people like Colo and Carroll.
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
Solano – the idea of Obertan toughening up is fantasy. What the guy lacks is belief and bottle. Despite being very intelligent he continues to produce the same old nothing.
georgio(Quote)
Newkie September 27, 2012 at 11:21
Also out of interest for those who wanted us to win tonight and give this cup and the others a very strong attempt. Do you also expect us to reach the same league position or better?…………………………………….Simple answer, yes…otherwise why even bother entering the competitions!. We’ve all pined for europe then when we manage to get in we’re happy to field weakened teams so as not to damage our best players in an attempt to gain league position….why?…So the club can [possibly] get into the Champions league?….why?…so we can field weakened teams in case it damages our league position???….There’s only one reason were not interested in these so called lesser competitions…money! Personally as a fan I’d rather win the league cup or FA cup than be an also-ran in the CL just so the coffers can be restocked. I guess it comes back to the difference between fans who are in it for the glory, and business men who are in it for the money! [I’m not an Ashley basher btw]
JoeSoap(Quote)
good game all in all cisse was good ,tavernier should be playing for england under 21s i feel ,ciises overhead kick would of been a snorter!!!
stevo(Quote)
Joesoap-Don’t get me wrong, I’d take a cup (well, Europa or F.A) over finishing 4th in a season, but personally I can’t understand the thinking that we have to improve on last seasons final position whilst at the same time challenging on all the cup fronts, starting with a first team in the third round of the league cup no less!
As for entering/playing youngsters, well, it’s worked wonders for Manure who constantly churn out good players. They have to get experience somewhere along the line. We can’t just have an U21 side, watch them play, then think “Crickey-that lad’s ready for the first team!”
Just think how people pined on Airey after he used to score in the ressies. It’s a completely different game and they need to get the experience somewhere.
Newkie(Quote)
And one thing I will say for Marv-he has a much better set piece delivery than Cabaye imo.
Newkie(Quote)
newkie tav was on loan to sheff wed carlisle and mk last season and done very well ,i just wish we could get more youngsters loan spells in lg 1 or championship,,thats where they learn best imo.does anyone know why abeid is not on the radar?he was mint preseason
stevo(Quote)
When was the last time so many of our young players got such a good run out? I think for years to come, we will reap the benefits of this game time the young guys are clocking up. This could very well be a defining season for us……….. or maybe not 🙂 🙂 🙂
aussie magpie fan(Quote)
Stevo-Exactly. I’ve said before I think we have a serious problem in terms of developing our youth which has led to a couple of false dawns. Those loan spells did Tav a world of good, but I can’t for the life of me work out why we don’t loan out others. We loaned out Kaz for sure, but then sold him (not that i’m fussed we lost him, just doesn’t make much sense)
I guess our problem is that because of our lack of quality in depth, the youngsters are always on the fringe of our first team anyway. But when players stay fit for the most part-like last year-they don’t get a look in….if they do, they can get criticised, or the club get’s criticised for not playing it’s first teamers…
Imo we need to loan out Vuckic and Sammeobi, possibly keep fergie around as he can offer something different. Two of the three should go though, hopefully to the CC. Loan em out for the next few months until Jan, call em back if we hit a massive injury crisis. To be honest they’re just as likely to injure themselves here, in training or in a ressie match than they are out on loan but at least there they will get serious experience.
Maybe see if the Heed or a non league side could take Campbell as he doesn’t seem near featuring for us properly..
Newkie(Quote)
In short, last night was a good performance with a disappointing result.
Elliott – very good shot stopper
Perch – another sturdy performance
Colo – looked good but rusty
Willo – wasn’t bad but just doesn’t look good enough for this level, fine as stand in but we are relying on him too much.
Tav – fair play to Pardew, I suggested it would be wrong to play him LB, but he looked very good.
Marv – another disappointing display IMO, hasn’t proven he’s good enough yet for me.
Tiote – good to have him back, but again looked a bit rusty.
Gosling – same as Marv, Gos reminds me of Tugboat without the finish!
Oba – again, same as Marv, just not good enough for me.
Vuckic – showed some good things and I personally prefer him as a CF.
Shola – typical Shola, solid with little goal threat.
Re the subs – I thought Fergie and Bigi came on and made a difference, which was very pleasing.
Cisse looked back after his goal and I fancy him to kick on now.
Sharpy17(Quote)
TC
“BTW – anyone who thinks that was Williamson’s fault knows as much about football as the South African’s know about good sportsmanship.”
Care to elaborate…
JJ(Quote)
I think Vuckic needs games. He needs a season or two out on loan playing week in week out. I think he shows glimpes of a good player , but until he gets a run of games he wont develop. And he isnt good enough at the minute to warrant games in the league with us. A season or two out on loan could really do a world of good for him
Johno Toon(Quote)
JJ-Uisng my powers of deduction, I’d say TC was on the windup 😉
Personally I don’t really think it was Willo’s fault, not soley his anyway. Probably could have done a bit more, Gosling basically got skinned, but it was a brilliant individual goal all things concerned, Anderson does score some screamers.
If we’re going to blame Willo for the first then Perchy should take the blame for the second, no? By not putting his foot out in time… 😕
Newkie(Quote)
Another great chance to win a cup thrown away for the impossible dream of CL.
#joke!!!
Stuart79(Quote)
I’ve only seen the goals but they both look to me like they have got the ball outside the box and either ran or turned and just had a shot and it has gone in. Collo looks like a statue and where is the DM? or Gosling? Pretty poor goals to concede IMO, even at Man U.
DJG(Quote)
I like how people say that this is a good chance to win a cup. It’s the first round- there was still a long way to go. It’s not like we were in the quarter or semi final. We have way too many games this season to send out full teams every time. If we’d gone all out today and then dropped players on Saturday people would be up in arms. Furthermore it’s a myth that the League cup is easy to win. Over the last 10 years Man U have won it 3 times, Liverpool twice, Chelsea twice and Spurs once. You still have to beat big teams to win it and even if we’d beaten Man U we would have had to get by a few more tests before we could even have been in the final. I think it’s not that much easier to win than the FA cup because it adds so many games to your midweek schedule.
SJP14(Quote)
@17- look at the season so far with Europa matches. You are right, we will benefit from playing these youngsters for a long time. Either by their future contributions to the 1st team, or by selling them on for a lot more than if they just rotted in the reserves/U21’s…. 😀
Shamrock(Quote)
SJP14-WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOOT MAN
WE SHOULD BEAT MANURE AND THEN OBVIOUSLY CHELSEA AWAY IN THE NEXT, FFS
Jesus, some people need to chill out 😛
Newkie(Quote)
ST – just reading back through some of the comments, I realise I have described Willo as ‘not good enough at this level’, which clearly contradicts your earlier post – which I hadn’t read to be fair.
I suppose I agree with you, in the sense that he is capable of PL level, but not the level we are at. What I mean is, he’d probably walk into a Wigan or Southampton team, but a team looking to sustain a top 6 position, he’s not good enough for how often we need to use him.
It was pleasing to hear Pardew has said himself that he thinks we are short at CB, but isn’t that something that has been obvious for a long time now?! – and something that should have been addressed in the bloody summer transfer window!! 👿
Sharpy17(Quote)
Poor Willo, he Is the only CB in the top 6 last season that makes errors and gets turned easily….. Rio, Lescott, Evans and Co don’t make any mistakes, I wish we had them playing for us…..
aussie magpie fan(Quote)
Sharpy-Ayup. Said in the summer CB was priority, to replace staylor and willo imo because they’re not that different, unless it was a youngster in the Colo mould..
That and a wing/forward, which we were crying out for last night, but I do hope Marv can come good and isn’t sulking constantly.
Newkie(Quote)
Just one of them will do Aussie!
georgio(Quote)
I’ve had a chance to watch the game a bit now and I think we should move on and take the positives from it.. which are considerable. Cisse scoring and looking confident is more important to our season than this whole match was IMO. 😆 Tavernier looks sound defensively and he gets forward nicely 🙂 I thought he looked great at RB and better than anything Manure had at his level. I would like to see him get some real playing time this season and I think he could replace Simpson next season I honestly do. It would be good he does and we can spend our resources in other areas. People say Marv had another poor game. Well he doesn’t look fully match fit but I thought his deliveries were okay and he didn’t look that bad to me. He just doesn’t look match fit.
DJG(Quote)
Aussie – with all due respect, I don’t believe I suggested he was the only CB in the top 6 to have made mistakes. As this is an NUFC site, I thought id focus solely on players at our club.
It would be interesting to hear your opinion on our players, rather than just the comments other people post tho mate.
Sharpy17(Quote)
new 8 year contract for padrs 😯
hitman(Quote)
Newcastle Utd announce that Alan Pardew,John Carver.Steve Stone and Andy Woodman have signed a new 8 Year-Deal!
hitman(Quote)
Re -the strength of last nights side. I said we should of fielded a stronger side for a couple of reasons – First of all I never expected the complete first team but Cisse or Ba should of played from the start for us to be in with a realistic chance of getting the win and progressing . For me the most important reason for a stronger team last night is two fold being that it was our most realistic chance of a cup this season but also that 700 odd fans travelled in shocking weather on a weeknight and paid £45 to watch an understrength team with no out and out match winner on show untill very late on with the introduction of Cisse. As much as I do want us at full strength for reading there is no reason Cisse OR Ba couldn’t have started last night imo.
KIMTOON(Quote)
I think its great news Pards and the back room staff have signed on. Shows a long term vision for the club.
Johno Toon(Quote)
I welcome the 8 year extension but we all know in reality it means ****** all ,contracts are a joke nowadays beit players or managers.
KIMTOON(Quote)
8 Year deal 😯 The ****? He was already on for 5 wasn’t he?…Maybe Ashley wants the F.A to pay a big buyout when they sack Hodgson in a year or two 😆
Seriously though that is surprising…very surprised about coaches as well, imo we could do a bit better….no offense to them like just.. 😕
Newkie(Quote)
Newkie ,I hadn’t thought about the England job angle 😯 ,you could be on to something there 😉
KIMTOON(Quote)
Kimtoon-It’s all about the cash with Ashley, first thing that comes to my mind is a buyout angle 😆
Altho its likely Pards was on pretty **** pay when he signed up, in regards to other managers around our level I suppose. Perhaps Ashley think’s it will encourage him/the team…onto greater riches! 😆
Newkie(Quote)
Johno Toon says:
September 27, 2012 at 15:33
I think its great news Pards and the back room staff have signed on. Shows a long term vision for the club.
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I agree with this. With this contract, plus the new contract for Carr, we finally have stability at the club.
Probably a big raise for Pards (deservedly so) as i believe he and the staff were on peanuts
MDS(Quote)
If the people who travelled to the game did not suspect the strong possibility that we would field a weakened side then, well, wirds fail me. It was the right decision in my opinion and will benefit us in the long run. No point having young talent if we are not going ti give them experience. We all expect the League to be our priority, all realise the squad is a tad short of depth in terms if 1st team players, so it makes sense to give experience to the youngsters in a Cup or two no? Or do we burn out our Cabayes, Colos and Ba’s and watch the league points disappear ❓
Shamrock(Quote)
MDS ,I thought he was paying off his casino debt 😆
KIMTOON(Quote)
LOL Kim I forgot 😆
Seriosuly though, what’s the significance of 8-year deals? That’s the same length of Carr’s new deal too…
MDS(Quote)
Newkie – I’d agree with a CB and RW/CF.
we were linked with a lad from Stutgart called Martin Harnik who if Utube scouting means anything looks half decent. Personally I’d like to see us go and get Tom Ince or Nathan Redmond – young English lad.
CB wise, I’d love for us to be working on a deal now for Yanga-Mbwia so he can come straight in at the beginning of Jan. Personally I also like Grant Hanley from Bburn – a young British no nonsense CB who knows that league.
Great news about Pardew and Co’s new contracts. As has already been said, its a show of stability and planning for the future.
I’d agree with Kims point, that it will count for nothing if the team starts falling down the league, but at least it is reward for Pardews hard work so far.
Sharpy17(Quote)
A lot less chance of pards ans staff being sacked. Payout would be huge. Means they are serious abiut our long term stability. Great news
Shamrock(Quote)
Shamrock > I’m sure those traveling didn’t expect all our first team but I can’t see why Cisse OR Ba couldn’t of started and given us a proper chance, obviously they were never gonna put Benny ,Ba and Cisse out. We all saw the impact Cisse made late on and still think we would of scored more if he had started .We’d still have Ba for the Reading game and Cisse as sub if needed. Manure was always a tough ask but we could of had a better attack imo.
KIMTOON(Quote)
Sharpy-Aye, I’d like a young English player as well but can’t see it, think they demand too much. As for Ince, he’s meant to be a right bellend isn’t he? Probably in regards to the monies….I fear unless we grow our own striker (i.e Campbell) it’ll be very unlikely we’ll ever see one.
I thought Johnson would have been a great aquisition, but again, hopefully we can get better value somewhere else…. 😕
Re Pards-Maybe more fan’s will get on Pard’s back now, as it seems some are already consistently unhappy with selections and formations, now he’s here to stay there will be more pot shots 😆
Newkie(Quote)
Newkie,
Correct, think Gosling was just as much to blame for the first. But I do think Williamson should have done a lot better.
Welbeck destroyed him on the turn time and time again, which was more of a concern for me.
JJ(Quote)
Wonder if Rangers are needing a striker cus we could use Ashley’s new relationship with them to loan out Campbell to them. Even scottish 3rd division is better than Reserve/u21 football (though not by much).
We played well yesterday, a few players look like they could challenge for 1st team (or a least a spot on the bench), others look like we should move them on, particularily Gosling, Marv and Willo doesn’t look good enough, though I’d keep him until we get two new CBs in. I pick these players out because I found that I shouted at them the most over the course of the 90 minutes. Williamson gets beaten easily and his clearances didnt once find one of our players they, just parried man u back slightly, whereas Coloccini was finding a player nearly every time and winning the tackle on a consistent basis. Gosling makes simple mistakes and was poor positionally(It may be that Pard’s told him to play there though). Marvaeuw was probably the most infuriating for me, he didn’t attack the defence AT ALL, his crosses were alright from set pieces but he provides little other than that, Ferguson seems a far better player and is about five years younger.
andymag(Quote)
People didn’t want the whole first team out, just an extra one or two would have won the game. So the “we cant put a full team out every game” lot are just being daft.
And those saying it’s less games so it’s good because we haven’t got the squad etc, all that means is our reserves are going to get less game time and when injuries occur and they’re needed in the first team they’ll be rusty and not played much so that is detrimental to the ‘growth’ of the club.
Gosling should never play again, Willo get’s a rough ride but it’s not his fault we haven’t bought a senior centre half since we bought him. He’s probably not good enough but he has to play really. Pardew said last night after the match Willo shouldn’t really have played and we’re short at centre half. The same guy who said it was a priority to buy a dominating, goal scoring centre half in the window and then said he’s happy with squad?!
Too busy finalising the details on his 8 year deal, hope that’s not the January kitty all spunked
BigiBigiBigi,can’t you see you’re just a mini Cheick Tioteeeee(Quote)
MDS@45
Its when Ashley predicts that we win the league, following which the world will end 😯 😉
andymag(Quote)
Newkie – yeah, as much as I’d like to see it, I think Bpool and Bham will want a kings ransom for Ince and Redmond like. RW needs addressing tho coz at the mo Oba isn’t good enough and there’s only Benny there. Fergie put himself above Marv for LW last night for me like.
Newkie/JJ – I think Gosling was MOSTLY to blame for the goal. Anderson should never have got that far, even if it cost Gos a yellow card. Williamson maybe could have stepped out and closed him off, but should have been dealt with by Gos for me like.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Re -Tom Ince , I was on a Liverpool forum a month or so ago and one poster asked another why they didn’t keep Ince and the general opinion from the sites ed was that him and his dad were a couple of knobs who wanted more money than what he’s worth. Reading between the lines it would appear theres some ego and greed issues there.
KIMTOON(Quote)
All in all a decent performance yesterday. Some looked promising like Ferguson and some confirmed that they probably won’t make it with us like Obertan. He’s a strange duck.Seems to know how to beat a man but then it all falls apart time and time again. Gosling had some decent chances on goal but showed no finish. Marveaux and Vuckic remain uncertain to me. A loan for Vuckic as others have suggested seems very sensible. Still we need a RW unless we intend to continue to play Ben Arfa there which I doubt. Tavernier was much better than I expected. Good to see Cisse finish from that brilliant Fergie cross. I don’t believe in 8 year contracts. It doesn’t mean much except to introduce complacency. What was wrong with the 5 year deal he already had? Let’s see where we are in another 2 or 3 seasons to see if this really makes sense (I doubt it will but impossible to say with any certainty). Has anyone ever heard of an 8 year contract for a manager? I hope this doesn’t mean Llambias will get an 8 year deal!
GeordieTwo(Quote)
Yes I’ve heard that before about Ince Kimtoon. Doesn’t sound like he would fit with us.
GeordieTwo(Quote)
Kim – sounds like typical Lpool supporters crack. Anyone who leaves them is a knob or not good enough for them!!. It couldn’t simply be that he wanted more regular football at a club who weren’t going to go out and spend a small fortune on a player who isn’t as good as him – meaning Downing.
I can’t believe he’s on more money at Blackpool, but is getting more game time to show his ability.
I’d imagine that Bpool will demand a big fee for him now due to his form so far this season, and fair play to them. But he doesn’t appear egotistical to me, seems to have a good relationship with the other players and just seems to be enjoying his football – but I could be wrong like.
Sharpy17(Quote)
BIGIBIGIBIGI,CAN’T YOU SEE YOU’RE JUST A MINI CHEICK TIOTEEEEE
Your right no one was asking for a 1st 11 team just more 1st team players with maybe 2 or 3 younguns thrown in to see how they go with experienced 1st teamers round them to look out for then and cover for any mistakes. 😉
As for the ones saying that its one less cup because we don’t have the squad ? well I wonder if any of them are the ones that said at the close of the window that we have a strong enough team ❓
Clearly our team isn’t strong enough and that is all down to our super kind owner that shifted out more players than what we brought in to an all ready weak and small squad but sure we have to be grateful to him as he is our saviour 😆 😆 😆
Big Dave(Quote)
JJ without trying to make anyone a scapegoat yeah Willo could have tried to put a foot out for the ball, if he had time to watch it sail past him then he had time to try , and I have said a few times during games that at times he doesn’t try to block shots and just moves out of the way 👿
Big Dave(Quote)
Why not do this 8 year contract thing at the end of this season if we play well and finish in the top 5 again? What happens if we slump because of the extra games and injuries? If we finish 8th for example will people still be happy with an 8 year deal for the manager? Where does this leave Llambias? Is Ashley going to extend his contract as well even if the squad remains thin in talent? It’s not as if every incoming player has been brilliant. Obertan has been anything but. Williamson has been just adequate but will not take us up the table. Marveaux is still a big question mark. This doesn’t make sense to me. Stability would be fine if we were an established top 4 side for the last 2 or 3 years but what are we actually stabilizing? We don’t know yet as far as I can tell.
GeordieTwo(Quote)
@52
Quite possibly the best username i’ve seen on here. Fairplay son 😆
Newkie(Quote)
Sharpy-Sometimes you can’t win though. If Gosling had hacked him out, people would slate him for being unable to tackle and being too slow. Then they could have let Rooney had a shot from a FK, that could have gone in and that would have been all his fault.
He should have done better, but at the end of the day Anderson has been in the manure first team a lot, far more than Gosling’s been in ours, and the shot was a peach.
Newkie(Quote)
GT
Pardew didn’t sign willo and as far as im aware he hasn’t had his contract extended in Pardew’s tenure so I don’t understand the relevance of blaming Pardew for him not being a top half PL CB.
Andymag(Quote)
What I’m saying Andymag is that I don’t understand how one decent finish in the league is worth an 8 year deal? Stability comes from performance year in, year out. Ferguson doesn’t have an 8 year deal with Man U and doesn’t need one. Wenger doesn’t have an 8 year deal and doesn’t need one. We are not emulating top clubs by signing the manager and his staff to 8 year deals. Is Ashley saying there are no better managers out there or is he saying Pardew is decent and will work on the cheap? I guess it all comes down to ambition again. If we are happy finishing somewhere in the top third of the division for 8 years then this should work out well. I still worry it means Llambias will be around for 8 years as well.
GeordieTwo(Quote)
Newkie – yeah, it was a cracking finish in off the post so couldn’t have placed it any better. I just meant that if blame was being laid at anyone’s feet, Gosling could have done far more about it than Willo.
Sometimes I think we all like to over analyse things a bit too much, and pull our own players to bits rather than give credit to the opposing players. I’ll hold my hands up to that at times.
Sharpy17(Quote)
GT – I think it means that Ashley is planning to be here in 8 years and is happy with the working relationship he has with Pardew. It’s not just about the best manager, it’s about how the whole club works – similar to Moyes at Everton, or Martinez at Wigan. Better managers tend to want alot of money to send, but Pardew knows what is expected of him and knows what to expect from the board. I wouldn’t get too hung up on the length of the contract, because like I said earlier, I’m sure if things turn bad, Ashley wouldn’t hesitate in giving them all the bullet.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Sharpy, replying from earlier re Willo ….. It pisses me off when all that gets focused on is the stuff he does wrong.. Where are the praises for his goal line clearance last weekend? No the focus is just on his errors, he is a Toon player that does the best he can and I am happy for him to be playing for us.. the only time I won’t back a player is when they are not putting in a shift out on the park.
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