Not purely because we’ve not done a lot in the transfer market, but mainly because we have problems in the striker department that have been heightened by the apparent breakdown of relations between United and star striker Papiss Cisse.
Long story short, Cisse is not happy about wearing the new club sponsor on his shirt as their exorbitant interest fees and charges go against his religion. The club are also not happy that he is currently refusing to wear the brand and with no agreement reached Cisse has found himself frozen out at what is arguably the most important time of the season for a professional football player.
Now I’m not so sure where I stand on this and I don’t want it to turn into one of those articles where religion is at the forefront of discussion. Yes Cisse has worn a short with Virgin Money on the front and on that basis there is little difference between one lending company and another, but companies like Wonga have come under ethical scrutiny in general just recently, even without the religious beliefs behind it.
At the end of the day a resolution needs to be found. There is precedent for a resolution as evidenced by Freddy Kanoute and Sevilla, with Kanoute being given special dispensation to not where the shirt of a gambling firm who sponsored the club. Surely something similar can be agreed upon in this instance?
Cisse’s argument is weakened further by the acceptance of his colleagues, some of whom are also Muslim, who seem happy enough to wear the shirt and the sponsor on the front of it. Does that mean Cisse has stronger beliefs than the rest of them?
I’m not interested in politics or religion in fairness, but I do feel slightly nervous about this one as it has such an impact on our team. Cisse is vital to us and even though he misses chances (as all strikers do I’ll add!) he still scores the bulk of our goals. Without him, or with him sat on the sidelines instead of being out on the pitch, where are they going to come from?
What’s going on?
Jesus this is going on far too long the NUFCBLOG wonga /religion war , i say fuk it and move on . Nice weather we are have eh lads and lasses will be doing the relaid pitch up on the hill the world of good. 😆
Axel(Quote)
ST… Last word on it, my opinion on Wonga is irrelevant, his religion is against the charging of interest…any interest as far as I know and have read there’s no room for a different interpretation. I’d suggest he happier to wear the old sponsors name due to the fecking big pay rise he got moving over here, and if he wants a move then fine, just be honest about it. If the Wonga thing is true then it’s to get a move or a pay rise absolutely nowt to do with religion imo, after all Kanoute’s shirt problem was to do with gambling and Mr Cisse doesn’t seem to have a problem partaking in that particular “sin”
richietoon(Quote)
ST…Though I do agree religion is one big hypocrisy…**** the lot of them…doh, I’ll probably go to hell now
richietoon(Quote)
Hell isnt actually in the bible if people sin etc so ironic really.
To be fair with the whole cisse situation we dont know any of the facts its all very very easy journalism
Liam Southern Toon(Quote)
Liam…exactly 😉
richietoon(Quote)
Whey off to do some gardening, it’s hot as hell out there 😈
richietoon(Quote)
See you in hell Richie ❗ 😉
JJ(Quote)
@Richie
Ay we all are 😈
I just want either the club or Cisse to go hard.
Either let him wear a blank shirt.
Or issue an ultimatum and if he refuses to wear the sponsor, transfer list him.
If he is looking for a pay rise, transfer list him.
They just can’t flap about all summer while other clubs have productive pre-seasons.
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
Georgio – agreed Pardew talks *****, but what I meant by that is those words were captured leaving his lips, everything else is simply assumption.
JJ – that’s my hunch mate. We’ll pay between £5-6m for Bent and I think we’ll take the chance on Remy building something into his contact or agreement that if he gets done for rape his contact is terminated. I’m surprise we haven’t went for Austin tbh. I know he failed his Hull medical but Ba failed the Stoke medical – Austin could be got at a knock down price with a player going the other way on loan.
Solano – the Islamic faith doesn’t work on the lesser or two evils mate – it’s ALL loans that carry interest and alcohol and ****** have nowt to do with it. I get what you’re trying to say but I’m sorry mate, it just doesn’t work on this one. Oh and NR ****** my grandad over long before the worldwide crisis mate. Maybe they haven’t come forward yet but I haven’t read of anyone bankrupted by a 30 day Wonga loan. NR screwed my grandad out of just of £40k and got away with it coz they paid him just over £2k compo – there’s your ethics mate.
As for wearing something I didn’t want to, it’s simple. I’m contracted to work for that company and therefore do what is required of me to earn my salary – if I don’t like something it is MY decision whether to say there and wear it or leave and find something else. Why would the company have an obligation to accommodate me?!
Sharpy17(Quote)
Maybe Cisse is politically aware too. Perhaps he or his girlfriend know folk who have been fcked over through the use of Wonga. Who knows. Personally I’m ashamed of our club for being associated with them. Hate seeing the logo on the shirts. I keep mentioning the regime followed by the words sleazy and seedy. It reflects on us all.
georgio(Quote)
SD profits up by 40% 😯
Dear Mr Ashley,
Could you spare NUFC some change please?
Regards
The mob (the real fans) 😉
Troy Stavers(Quote)
Could be what happens Sharpy. Cisse will just leave. I won’t be too upset as long as we get Shola back in.
georgio(Quote)
@Sharpy
I’m sorry about your grandad mate but no one knew NR would go under, and no one complained about them previously. You must see that there is a reason that people throughout society are constantly moaning about Wonga?
I don’t know anything about Islam, and I doubt you do to tbh. If it completely against their religion to wear interest loans then why do any of our players bother fasting having already worn Virgin Money shirts?
I doubt you are right on the blanket thing mate, it’s probably a traditional ideal thing that no one adheres to, again just like Christians and sex.
And it’s not in my contract to wear something I don’t want to. I doubt a company can just decide you have a new sponsor that you object to. If they wanted to advertise the makers of drones (legal) on my uniform I’d tell them wear to stick it.
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
Anyway, I can’t do anymore of this deep ****. The club/player should just be handling it better.
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
Georgio – I’m not sure Cisse will know too many folk who need the use of a payday loan company mate 😆 his lass might though. Speaking of which, what’s the stance on devout Muslims being involved with women from another religion?.
Troy – I read that this morning as well mate 40% profit in the current financial climate isn’t too shabby like is it. I wonder how much of that is thanks to the association with NUFC. With that kind of profit I’m surprised he didn’t sponsor us himself!. Didn’t Whelans JJB sponsor Wigan one time.
Sharpy17(Quote)
We’re predicted 8th by most betting websites.
http://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/winner
Isn’t that more reflective than some people’s wildly pessimistic views?
Next two years we have to establish ourselves as the 7th best club with dispute. It might not sound like a lot, but with Ashley in charge it would be an achievement and would leave us in great stead for when we finally get some investment.
Two signings and I think we could definitely get 7th & flirt with 6th.
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
SD is Ashleys business, Newcastle United is Ashleys passion. Please do not confuse the two…
Aussie Magpie Fan(Quote)
Big Dave 🙂 nice try mate 😉
Aussie Magpie Fan(Quote)
Hey guys, was wondering if anyone knew when the tickets for the st mirren match would be available to buy? Was on the website expecting them to be on sale there but it only goes to the Blackpool match.
Andymag(Quote)
Andy…. Tue 30.07.2013 St. Mirren (a) @ St. Mirren Park, 7.30pm. Friendly. On public sale now from the home club, not NUFC., £15 adults, £8 concessions, £5 U16s 😉
richietoon(Quote)
I thought you were gardening cuda ?
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SHARPY17
I was kind of at the other end right behind the goal when Vuckic scored in the first half so was hard to see a great deal, but he seemed to be fine playing as a attacking midfielder behind Gouffran. He has got some ability, I think it’s just a make or break season now where he has to overcome the serious injuries. Anita was good at this level, as you would expect, he was passing the ball around nicely and generally running the midfield, Sissoko and Marv were also good, as you would expect mate.
DJG(Quote)
pitstop mate, need to keep topping up on the old fluids 😎
richietoon(Quote)
Ah, cheers Richie. 😉
Andymag(Quote)
Yer right 😯 😆
Aussie Magpie Fan(Quote)
Solano – how can you assume that I know nothing about the Islamic faith?!, and just dismiss what I’m saying coz it fits your arguement!.
ITS AGAINST THE BORROWING OF ALL MONEY THAT CARRIES INTEREST – dont believe me, look it up bonnylad.
It’s similar to devout Catholics and abortions – which has only recently been revised to allow it under the risk of death.
Some people are devout, some casual and some against completely. If you’re devout then it’s followed to the letter. Casuals may observe aspects of the religion like fasting or Christmas, Christenings or Church weddings, but don’t attend church every Sunday or prey regularly.
As for the contract. It depends on who wanted to sponsor us to be fair mate – and lets be right, sponsorship is a good portion of money that helps us operate. Similar to the company my father in law works for. He’s an engineer for a company that bid on contracts to build off shore oil rigs – but if those contracts dry up they may have to military things – which may not sit right with some people. Does he leave? of course he could but the company won’t knock back contracts to please him.
Sharpy17(Quote)
@Sharpy
So where has he claimed he is devout? Maybe he is casual and observes some aspects. Most religious people do that to accommodate their faith into modern life.
As I said, for all we know Virgin Money pushed it, Wonga crossed the mark.
OK, so if it Islam is against the borrowing of all money that carries interest, where does that leave HBA/Tiote/Ba in their eyes?
They obviously all still feel they are religious, don’t they?
Why don’t you label them hypocrites?
You show me a devout religious person in a modern country that follows their religion to the letter, and I’ll show you a likely liar. It’s all one huge compromise these days.
Neither us, nor anyone else can decide how someone else interprets their religion.
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
If we were being sponsored by an abortion clinic and Jonas, Simpson or whoever didn’t want to wear it for their “Christian beliefs” would we all scream hypocrite?
People pick and choose what bits they want. Cisse has decided Wonga is the limit. The club can tell him to like it or lump it, or accommodate it.
I don’t want to lose Cisse so I think the answer is obvious.
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
Any religious folk on here?
Do you follow everything, or do you pick and choose?
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
Thing is if it was Colo or Tiote it wouldn’t be a problem but as he’s our main striker the camera will see the logo up close when he scores. The answer then is to buy a better striker
Andymag(Quote)
Football is my religion 😉 and golf
Aussie Magpie Fan(Quote)
ST
Pick and choose mostly 😉
Andymag(Quote)
Still no signings then and everyone getting tetchy in this heat. Never talk religion on a hot day is my motto 😉 .Right I’m off cause the club and Joe seem to be doing **** all ,maybe they’re too hot 🙄 .
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SolanosTrumpet
July 18, 2013 at 12:52
Any religious folk on here?
Do you follow everything, or do you pick and choose?
i usually say a little prayer after i place a bet – they genrally go unanswered like..
other than that – i never bother me ****.
roy cropper(Quote)
Yeah Kim that’s the issue, joe is too hot to sort out transfers, we would’ve had loads in by now if it had been a normal British summer. 😉
Andymag(Quote)
I try not to pick and choose, but I’m better at keeping some of my vows than others. won’t abandon those I struggle with though.
Premandup(Quote)
Solano – I’ve never labelled Cisse as a devout Muslim – nor have I criticized the lad, so I’m not going to judge or criticize the other Muslim lads.
The point I’m simply making is that IF (as I don’t know for sure) Cisse doesn’t want to wear Wonga for religious reasons, it carries no weight as he’s worn Virgin Money. If its for ethical reasons then fair play, but then if the club say tough you wear it or put a transfer request in or we sell him.
Sharpy17(Quote)
RICHIE has only one religion,food and drink,and plenty of it 😆 😆
icedog(Quote)
Cisse obviously doesn’t have stronger beliefs, or if he does he’s a complete bloody hypocrite for smashing mrs newcastle out of wedlock.
He just fancies a move, that’s the way I see it.
Newkie(Quote)
fairplay to cisse – i doubt he angling for a move, seen him out a few times and he loves it up here. he is just passionate about this topic and i rate him for it
more players should be like him IMO
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