Are we about to see incoming transfers at NUFC?

Luuk who is back...
Luuk who is back…
Earlier this evening some rather interesting news emerged from Newcastle United.

Quieter than expected but just in case you weren’t aware, the January transfer window is open which means clubs can do business once more.

Now generally the mention of transfer windows sends me to sleep. As a United fan I’ve kind of starting wondering who we’ll see leave rather than who we’ll see arrive with last January proving to be an exception in terms of activity rather than the norm.

However sources at Sky Sports News “understand” that Mike Ashley has sanctioned the arrival of up to four players in this window with no pressure to sell any current players to finance these deals.

Details are sketchy but one rumoured deal is supposed to regard the arrival of Luuk de Jong on an initial loan deal with a view to making the switch permanent in the summer.

It was well documented that we were in for the Holland striker previously but the former FC Twente front man opted to join Borussia Monchengladbach instead where he has since struggled to settle.

Another name mentioned has been that of Remy Cabella of Montpellier. The versatile attacker can play on either wing or as an attacking midfielder although a price tag in the region of €14 million would seem to me to be too steep for us.

If we do strengthen then great. It’s what we all want but at the moment there is nothing concrete in any of this and actions ultimately speak louder than words.

There are still obstacles however if this does turn out to be true. One of those obstacles is Joe Kinnear who might actually have to do some of the work he is paid to do and get players “over the line” to coin a popular phrase in these parts.

Of course its just as likely all rubbish and we’ll end up with nobody. Putting my tinfoil hat for a moment, how about the club leaking a bit of positive news like this following on from some defeats and a cup exit?

Cynical? Me? I never used to be…

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291 thoughts on “Are we about to see incoming transfers at NUFC?

  1. @STEM

    You’ve summed it up perfectly here:

    ‘more money than any other club had to spend in the 90s and early 2000s’.

    Most fans forget this & still think he performed some kind of miracle at the club.

    He didn’t. If he had done, Man Utd would have been the best club in Europe & they weren’t – not once.

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  2. Another perfect point Stem!

    Or, to put it another way, if we had one as much as they had, we’d probably need a 100,000+ stadium

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  3. I sound quite bitter about Man Utd 😆

    I’m not but i also don’t fall for this ‘Ferguson was the greatest manager ever!’ nonsense.

    Still, history is written by the victors & he won alot.

    I will enjoy see the club struggle this season though. :mrgreen:

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  4. 😆 Stem

    I say expand it all & let fans in for free. What better way to use the T.V. money??

    I’m not sure if most fans would agree though. Some of them would probably prefer to pay if it meant we could spend more on wages & transfers for better players.

    With the T.V. deals though, i really do think ticket prices should be capped.

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  5. KK – I didn’t say Pardew was negative, I said some would say that. I said his approach was disciplined, and I agree that there is a difference.
    I’ve read people saying that they want us to play more like Southampton or Swansea – well here’s the thing – 20 games in and we’ve won 3 more games than Saints scoring 3 more goals than them as well. Swansea – won 5 more games and scored 3 more goals than them.
    Let me offer you Everton as well – we won the same number of games!, and scored 3 less goals than them.
    No too bad for a **** English manager against 3 of the highest rated foreign managers I reckon.

    As for Shola. I like him as a human being, but as a PL footballer I think he’s gash mate. His goal record is anyway and he still hasn’t notched a league goal yet. That’s just my opinion though. But I do think we will benefit from improving our CF opinions and adding creative midfielders to the squad

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  6. I’d like a big name signing. Finnbogason isn’t bad, but nowhere near as big as Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink. But I’d take anything over 4 syllables. You can’t get better value per letter than that.

    I certainly don’t want little names like Ba. That just shows no ambition at all.

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  7. With Ferguson … if you ignore all his successes he was *****. 😆 😆 😆

    And Pardew … He’s very astute when things go right but hopeless when they don’t. 😆 😆 😆

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  8. Kim-of course they would, they were both attacking managers and Bobby was a great manager. Pardew isn’t. That doesn’t mean he is actively making our players worse than when they arrived though. That means that Tiote will now be worth 1-2 mil, cabaye 2-3 mil and Benny 4 mil. Somehow I don’t think so…

    Yes his tactics aren’t the best but he is not a total joker as has been and will be said from now until the day he wins the premier league with us-in fact he’d still get it then, not that it will ever happen 😀

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  9. looks more to me like there owner trying to sell the dude like a blooming 2nd hand car expecting a bid from newcastle in the coming days,is the dude phisic i wonder 😆

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  10. <<<<<, would not be surprised if he trys the old exchange and mart meself 😆 😆 😆

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  11. TAE – I think we will face some competition in signing Cabella because he’s a cracking young player. But I don’t think he’s gonna be Man Utds priority personally. I think if they were sat at the top of the league with nee worries then maybe, but the way their season is going I think Moyes will look for more experienced ‘bigger’ named players.

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  12. Mark-surely they could only demand that if they got promoted. Here’s hoping they don’t eh 😕

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  13. KK@144, yep I think that’s exactly right and the point I was trying, not very well to make.
    KK@147, again you are right last season on this very blog I posted a link that showed Cisse was far from the most offside player that season. I think RVP was above him along with many other so called ‘top strikers’ ,and yes I do think we are terribly slow getting forward which is why he’s timing his runs wrong. Now you could say he needs to adjust his timing but why don’t the others get forward quicker?.

    Stem@151, Agree, They couldn’t hack it ,gates would fall through the floor if they had our history.

    Sharpy@158, Whilst I understand your point here, I think our squad of players are better than Swansea and Saints and arguably Evertons but their style of play is better than ours . Imagine their managers implementing that style with our players ,imo we’d be brilliant and that’s the difference. I dislike our score a goal and sit back philosophy it only invites pressure and you need an excellent back line to make it truly effective.

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  14. Newkie, I can’t see him going back to QPR, more likely a CL club will offer a good price for him, his agents are probably going into overdrive on that as I write. The only fly in the ointment is the Rape case that is still looming.

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  15. TAE, yep, Harry does like to talk the talk, but there will probably be someone mug enough to pay it.

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  16. every time floppy chops opens his gob just have this urge to stamp on his face:lol: 😆 😆

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  17. @ SHARPY17
    not saying he wont turn into a cracking player 😀 hes overpriced in my opion 😯

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  18. any of you peeps rember pea from the summer the striker we were after is he in the 1st team were he transfered to ❓

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  19. TAE-He went to Dortmund and essentially yes he is first team, a few less starts than Lewandowski but he will probably go elsewhere making PAE guaranteed starter. He’s doing well for them, no chance we will ever get him now.

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  20. TAE – we aren’t having a whip round to buy him you know mate, nee ones asking you to contribute 😆
    If Ashley wants to folk out £14m on the kid then let him knock himself out 😉

    Kim – they might indeed. But then the Spurs lot thought that about AVB and it didn’t work out that way. All I’m saying is that Pards isn’t doing too bad. Certainly not to the point of people shouting for his head after every game.

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  21. Sharpy- unfortunately once it has been shouted for enough it will be ever present and always in the back of everyone’s mind, including the fans, players, manager and owner. Football is a passionate and people will rarely admit to being wrong. There will be people calling for his head after any and ever loss i’m afraid. Christ enough people wanted him gone when it was going well.

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  22. I’m not calling for his head but I do think we could do a lot better, certainly our coaching set up could be better. Ashley is obviously happy with Pards so he’s going nowhere anytime soon.

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  23. @ SHARPY17
    so you would buy even though he aint worth 14 😯 ya a very genrous dude with the clubs cash 😆 maybe if it was you footing the bill maybe you would not be so genrous 😆

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  24. Newkie – I know mate. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that there aren’t better managers out there and I loved our football under KK and SBR.
    All I’m saying is that changing the manager brings no guarantees of improvement. For every example of a manager going in and doing well, I could offer a manager who hasn’t.

    The players seem to have alot of time and respect for Pardew, and must buy into his way of playing, otherwise they would take their own steps to force him out – like the City players did with Mancini and the scum I’d with DIC. So if the players are behind him, and he’s picking the points up, then I don’t understand the poison and hatred directed towards him at times.

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  25. Kim-you might not be but there are plenty who are. Most clubs could do with a better manager or coaching. I’m not sure why people think we are some mightily attractive proposition, we aren’t, we’re an average PL side, always have been, without drastic investment, always will be.

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  26. Cabella has scored 15 goals for Montpellier since making his debut in 2009

    whats that in goals a season about 3 and a half 😆

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  27. Sharpy-exactly mate, we all know their are better managers out there but not a single person can guarantee we would replace Pardew with a better manager who would significantly improve our fortunes and supposedly get the best out of this squad. The only man who can do that is Ashley and his track record is sketchy at best. Was kinnear a step up from KK? Shearer from him? Hughton? Pardew? Each successive manager is of a likeness, and there were plenty each time who thought they were worse.

    If the players wanted him out they would have got him out. If they did not respect him and Cabaye was such an important character in the dressing room he would never have been brought to heel in the way he was after he had his sulk at the start of the season.

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  28. Sharpy spot on there is too many people getting on as it it was their money, they dont need to worry its not theirs.
    Oh and they dont need to worry about Jabba’s money either as im sure he wont leave himself short or get took on

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  29. TAE – do you think Cabaye is worth £22m?. If PSG offered that would you say don’t be ridiculous man, you can have him for half that?! 😕

    Is he better than what we have? – he’s different to what we have mate. He creates things further up the pitch. He would offer different options IMO so I think we should be going for him.
    He’s 23, so if he has a similar level of success as Cabaye is it feasible that he could double in value?.
    Well if Cabaye is worth £22m at 27, then I think it is entirely possible that Cabella could be worth £28m – if he does was well.
    It’s a totally hypothetical question that only time can answer. But just coz he’s £14m doesn’t mean it’s value for money. I think we were robbed of the £3m we spent on Obertan.

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  30. @Sharpy17 & Newkie

    I’m calling for his head. I have been for quite sometime & we’ve all agreed on the reason why. You both have said it yourselves:

    There are better managers that would be happy to do pardews job.

    Ok so there is no guarantee a new manager won’t screw things up but every argument made for a player transfer can be used for a ‘manager transfer’.

    I’m not sure but i think both of you would like the club to replace cisse with a new player (finnbogason?).

    This is no different. I want the manager to be replaced because a better manager could be the eqivalent of us signing a worldclass player.

    It’s the equivalent of having suarez, bale or ronaldo in the team. We have no chance of signing a player of that quality but we do have a chance of getting a manager that would have an eqivalent impact.

    We can keep signing better & better players but eventually we’ll get to a point (i think we’re already there) where the players are too good for the coaches & managers. At that point there is a bottleneck.

    We can’t get better unless we spend huge amounts & that isn’t going to happen for no reason.

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  31. Had a look at Cabella’s show reel. Skilful little guy but definitely lightweight and in no way a replacement for Cabaye. If anything he reminds me of Benny and his show reel makes him look the best player in the world.
    Cabella would get knocked all over in the Prem. Maybe OK as an out and out winger for maybe £6m. No more.

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  32. @ SHARPY17
    seeing as psg aint made an offer for caybeye it aint worth a comment same as newcastle aint made an offer for Cabella.this is there owner blantly trying to force a sale.

    <<<<<<<<<<<<< wants 14 million over here for the pc im selling,but is any1 ganna pay me 14 million for something that aint worth that are they **** 😆

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  33. I have to agree with sharpy17, it doesn’t matter if its £1.4m or £14m, it has to be value for money.

    If cabella is almost guaranteed to be worth more or to fire us up the league, we’ll sign him.

    Otherwise i doubt it.

    The price paid isn’t important to mike ashley, it’s just a number. All he cates about is that he gets value for money.

    Are there really no better players than cabella at €14m? I think there probably are.

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  34. KK-I’m not going over it again. Top managers want good budgets, they will want their own players and assurances about being backed in the market. Won’t happen with Ashley. Therefore we won’t get a proven top manager.

    Georgio- I think he would be seen as a player who could come in and change the way we play-with a proper attacking midfielder, and leaving our two defensive mids in Tiote and Anita where they are. He definitely isn’t a replacement. But I agree with you I’m not entirely sold on him, but I’ve not seen a lot of him I have to admit.

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  35. KK – re the managers. I understand what you’re saying mate, but you say it with such ease as if all we have to do is go out and replace Pardew with one of the managers from your list and we before a top 4 side.
    It would be great if it was as easy as that mate. But to use Spurs as an example again. Harry done a great job for them!. He turned them round from being at the foot of the table to a team knocking on the door of top 4. The fans loved him, the players loved him, the press loved him. Had they stuck with him, I’m certain they would have get there. But they decided to go for AVB – saying at the time that they believed they had signing the manager to take them to the next level!.
    He didn’t! – will Tim Sherwood?, I doubt it personally, so they are no further forward at all.
    Look at how many managers Liverpool have gone through trying to find that man to get them in the top 4 – they are still no further forward.

    Mancini won the league with City – was that coz he’s a genius or coz they through billions at the team?

    If we were doing badly under Pards I’d totally agree with you mate. But the fact is he’s doing better than ok.

    You might not like his style of play – Chelsea fans didn’t like Rafas style, but he won them the Europa league cup with little to no backing at all!.
    Not liking the manager doesn’t make him **** mate.

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  36. TAE – it would cost as much to wipe the many years worth of Frankie Vorn from ya PC mate – that’s what’s putting people off mate 😯 😆

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  37. <<<<<<<<<<< would not sack pards meself,new manager ussally means breaking the team up so he can bring in his own dudes,think we would be a bit silly to sack pards now.Couple of quality signings and we can still have a big season

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  38. Don’t worry Joe’s on the case. He has good negotiating skills. If there’s a player worth 20 million pounds then Joe will get him for 5-6 million. Ashley doesn’t hire fools.

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  39. <<<<<<<<<<<<< been thinking about what floppy face said about remy bet he cant buy any1 til he sells,probally why his floppy face is running off at the mouth again trying to force the deal 😆

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  40. the only way they could sell remy this window is if the buying team would be willing to wait til the end of the season 😆

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  41. @NEWKIE

    Why would a new manager need a big transfer budget?

    It’s typical English mentality where the manager is expected to do everything & sign players, negotiate contracts, coach players, manage the youth team, make the tea, take the bins out etc!!

    A manager’s job is to manage the players he has. It’s up to the DoF to decide how much to spend & which players to buy. The manager only gets to make suggestions.

    Who said anything about wanting to get a top manager in?

    Diego Simeone wasn’t a top manager before he went to Madrid. Klopp wasn’t a top manager before he went to Dormund.

    Both managers have got their players over achieving. Every player that plays for those two managers would put themselves on the line for their manager.

    If Pardew did the same, i’d have no problem with him being the manager.

    As it is, i don’t expect Pardew to improve anymore than i expect Shola Ameobi to improve.

    If neither of them are going to get better, surely it makes sense to get some replacements in both?

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  42. @Sharpy17

    Apologies mate, i don’t mean to make it sound easy but i do think it is the most likely way of improving the whole team as opposed to spending £25m on 4 players that might not be proven in the league.

    Spurs are a decent example but the lesson to be learned is that the new manager has to be the right manager.

    I’m no fan of AVB (he’s probably at Pardew’s level imo) but what else did Spurs expect when they signed so many players & gave them no time to adjust? Tim Sherwood is another mistake.

    I don’t think Spurs have had a good manager for a long time. We haven’t either.

    Liverpool have had quite a few managers but Rodgers & Benitez were both very good appointments. Benitez won the Champions League & had them challenging for the title & Rodgers has taken them up to that level again.

    I would say they are further forward.

    I don’t think Mancini is much good in the same way i don’t think Sven Goran Eriksson.

    I agree we’re doing ok with Pards. He’s a good English manager. I expect we will finish quite comfortably mid table with him as the manager. Where is the ambition with that?

    It’s not Pardew’s fault just as it isn’t Ameobi’s fault that he isn’t a 20 goal a season striker.

    If Ameobi had potential i’d want to see him stay at the club but he doesn’t so he needs to go.

    It’s the same with Pardew. He has very little potential so if we have no ambition we should stick with him. We’ll be like Charlton under Curbishley.

    Chelsea fans did like Rafas style of play. They don’t like Mourinho’s style of play.

    You are right though, not liking the manager doesn’t make him ****. Just look at Tony Pulis.

    I wouldn’t want him here either.

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  43. @BIGDAVE – 199

    It comes across as a tongue in cheek comment, is it?

    Surely you don’t doubt that we could have attracted Pellegrini before he went to Malaga or that we could hired him last summer before Man City were interested?

    Why would you think Rodgers would have turned us down to stay at Swansea?

    Fatih Terim is currently not involved in club football. Would he come here?

    A quote from his agent:
    “It goes without saying that any manager, including Terim, would be interested in a position like this. Newcastle is a massive club with passionate fans and we hope they bring in the right man for the job.”

    Fatih Terim was recommended by Sir Bobby Robson for the position of Newcastle manager in January 2008.

    None of the managers i’ve suggested have been unrealistic.

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  44. @TAE

    A new manager doesn’t need to break a team up. It’s just something that some managers like to do.

    Most foreign managers understand that they don’t get to decide which players stays or goes. They’re just purely there to motivate & coach the players that they have using the tactics that were best.

    A DoF deals with who stays, who goes, who comes in, how much for, how long for etc.

    We’ll do ok this season. We should do ok most seasons under Pardew. He’s not the worst manager in the world but he’s certainly not the best we can get.

    I still don’t understand how the same fans that moan about Ashley being tight, not signing players, lacking ambiton etc, how can they be happy with limited English manager?

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  45. Dave- oops aye my mistake 😆

    KK-Blimey, so you would give Kinnear license to buy all our new players over the new manager? Sorry mate but that would be suicide for this club, absolutely mental. Or do you think Ashley will invest in a top tier DoF?…Of course he won’t, Joe is his mate, he’s invented the position for him. Either way is mental.

    Ok so now you don’t want a top manager, you want a future top manager but who is presently only average or unknown? Well, usually you need a good club structure and ideally a clever director of football – Cortese? – to seek out that kind of character. Carr will have seen the football style but he won’t know ins and outs of day to day management, we’ll get bits and pieces from the players we buy. So basically you want Kinnear to seek out the next great manager…I just can’t get enthusiastic about that approach unfortunately.

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  46. @KIMTOON

    I’m always a bit hesitant when stats going back more than 20 years are used as it might not be a fair benchmark to use when used for comparison.

    With that being said, we do seem to have done well in the FA Cup (historically anyway).

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  47. @NEWKIE

    I wouldn’t give Kinnear license to buy all our new players over the new manager just as i wouldn’t have hired Pardew. Neither of them should be at the club.

    I can’t really moan about Kinnear because i don’t think he has done anything wrong (or anything at all!) since he has been DoF.

    If he starts signing players like Darren Bent & gives Shola a long term contract , i’ll start blaming him.

    Will Ashley invest in a decent DoF. I don’t think they cost much in comparison to player wages & it’s in his interest to do so. I also don’t expect Kinnear to be around in 8 years, so yes is the answer.

    Ashely also didn’t invent the position for Kinnear. Dennis Wise filled the role at one time & it’s a common role in most clubs across the world.

    It’s unusual in the UK but we haven’t exactly been the leading light in football development, have we?

    I would like a top manager but it’s just as unrealistic as wanting Ronaldo to play for us, it just isn’t going to happen.

    ‘You want a future top manager but who is presently only average or unknown?’ = YES.

    A good club structure and a clever director of football helps but it isn’t a necessity. We also don’t have a terrible structure in place at the club.

    The youth setup & commercial side needs improvement but we’re very good at identifying good players & bringing them in at very good prices so it’s not all bad.

    Carr will have seen the football style but he won’t know ins and outs of day to day management, we’ll get bits and pieces from the players we buy.

    I don’t want Kinnear to seek out the next manager (i don’t want him or Pardew at the club!) but that is his one part of his job as DoF.

    I’d rather gamble for the next Diego Simeone, Klopp, Pellegrini etc & run the risk of being landed with Mick Harford.

    The alternative is for midtable mediocrity with a glimmer of hope for a decent cup run. Supporting a mistable team is sould destroying. At least a relegation battle has some passion & excitement with meaning to the games.

    I’d hate for us to get to 30 games before all the players stop trying (especially as it’s a world cup year) & we have no need or incentive to win, draw or lose. The games towards the end of the season for midtable teams almost become like friendlies.

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  48. mistable, originally a typo but it’s probably apt in defining a miserable midtable club where ambition is lacking from some fans, players, managers etc.

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  49. The games for midtable teams at the end of the seasons become more boring & long winded than my posts on here! 😆

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  50. If he hasn’t done anything then that means he’s failed, he needs to be shipping the ***** out and getting talent in and there is little evidence of that happening. They cost less yes-but so does a manager compared to player wages-so if Ashley was so interested in getting a very good manager and DOF why didn’t he do it a long time ago?

    They are also expensive to fire which likely worries him, but Joe is a mate who knows what a football looks like so that will do for Ashley.

    I’m not saying he invented the whole Director of Football role at a club level, but after getting shot of Wise and realising his mistake he’s now brought it back. He got rid of Llambias as Managing Director and obviously couldn’t appoint Joe to that role-that would be an even more hilarious title for a man who probably doesn’t even know what day of the week it is. So now he is the “Director of Football” although he doesn’t seem quite sure what that entails and no real definition has been forthcoming. So in reality it is an invented role.

    I don’t really know how I can argue about getting a future good manager because it’s something out of everyone’s control. Would Kinnear even want to find one? He has said himself he wants to get back into football management. Newcastle United is his big chance, why give it to some young whipper snapper 😉

    Honestly I would have rather had Llambias searching for a football manager for the future, whilst he’s a ***** i’m fairly certain of his sanity. Can’t say the same for Joe. I don’t hate Kinnear I just well and truly believe he should retire from the game fully for his own health.

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  51. @215-welcome to the world of football. Where 90% of clubs have nothing to play for by that point 😉

    @216…Wouldn’t bet on it KK 🙂

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  52. @ KK
    you do tend to waffle on a little bit over there 😯

    but on thinking about it dint we all 😆

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  53. Steve a few snippets

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    #nufc board members say that team fielded v Cardiff strongest available apart from Remy and top 10 finish still the aim this season

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  54. Theres actually some decent points raised on both sides, The thing that made no sense me was that they still refused to confirm that we got the category 1 academy status.

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  55. Aye Dave, it’s not debatable stuff just roundabouts. We all want a better manager, we all want a better owner and we all want better players. We want the best run and most successful side in the league. Only problem is, so does every other side in the league..

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