The mad scientist strikes again! Newcastle 1-2 Cardiff

Pardew presides over another cup exit
Pardew presides over another cup exit
Newcastle bowed out of the FA Cup at the first hurdle yesterday to extend what is a miserable run in this competition under Alan Pardew.

Defeats to Stevenage, Brighton twice and now Cardiff (our first defeat against the Bluebirds since 1981) mean that Pardew has won just one game in the FA Cup during his tenure at United.

Passionate stories of his past in this competition with attendance in finals for Crystal Palace as a player and then West Ham as a manager mean little for us this morning. Alan Pardew blamed science in his post-match interview which may have been tongue in cheek but doesn’t sit well with me. How about he just says we weren’t good enough on the day?

Seven changes were made to the side which lost at West Brom, four of them enforced through injuries to Tim Krul, Fabricio Coloccini and Yohan Cabaye with the fourth enforced change owing to Mathieu Debuchy’s red card at the Hawthorns last weekend. However those that came into the side did little to stake their claim for a first-team spot when everyone is fit.

The best we could manage in the first period was a Hatem Ben Arfa effort which rebounded off the post in what was proving to be a poor game of football with little sign of quality from either side.

The early exchanges in the second period once again saw Ben Arfa denied by the frame of the goal spurring on an improvement in the performance of the home side.

Just after the hour mark that improvement yielded a goal for the home side as Moussa Sissoko sprung an offside trap and bore down on goal. His effort was blocked but fell kindly for Papiss Cisse who was on hand, and onside, to apply a simple finish.

The hosts then backed off allowing Cardiff a way back into the game. New boss Ole Gunnar Solskjaer shuffled his pack and brought on Frazier Campbell who struck a shot from distance against a post before another substitute, Craig Noone, lashed in an equaliser from 25 yards.

If that wasn’t enough the away side took the lead with ten minutes remaining through Frazier Campbell who was left unmarked from a corner and headed home.

The home side rallied briefly but couldn’t raise their game enough to force the tie into a replay and once again it was United who bowed out in the early stages once more.

The “magic of the cup” is getting less and less as the years go by. Coverage is weak and interest is less intense partly down to the fact there just isn’t the same level of financial gain in a cup than there is in a league.

However I’m still disappointed and annoyed that we’re out. Last year there were genuinely greater concerns like staying in the league which we just managed but this year there was no reason to not have a real go at it.

Oh well. I guess we can just concentrate on finishing ninth or wherever and that’ll do. For those upstairs at least….

Howay the lads!

Newcastle: Rob Elliot; Davide Santon, Steven Taylor, Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa, Massadio Haidara; Cheik Tiote, Vurnon Anita; Hatem Ben Arfa, Moussa Sissoko, Yoan Gouffran; Papiss Cisse

Subs: Jak Alnwick, Paul Dummett, Mike Williamson, Gabriel Obertan, Sammy Ameobi, Shola Ameobi, Loic Remy

Cardiff: David Marshall; Kevin McNaughton, Mark Hudson, Ben Turner, Declan John; Peter Whittingham, Kim Bo-Kyung, Aron Gunnarsson, Don Cowie; Peter Odemwingie, Andreas Cornelius

Subs: Joe Lewis, Steven Caulker, Frazier Campbell, John Brayford, Tommy Smith, Craig Noone, Craig Conway

Attendance: 31,166

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95 thoughts on “The mad scientist strikes again! Newcastle 1-2 Cardiff

  1. beats me how players go backwards under pardew, cardiff wanted it more nee surprise there.
    in pardew we rust πŸ‘Ώ

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  2. There are definitely players who have gone backwards under Pards. I don’t blame him for all of that. But when a manager picks a striker that scores one league goal in 18 months as his main target man consistently then I have to believe he doesn’t have a clue.

    I had am argument with Solano saying that Pardew only plays Shola so that he can pump long balls up field as a get out or plan B when his midfield loses control of the game.

    He proved it again last night.

    He is your typical English manager with a plan A strategy of solid defense and then hoping to snatch a goal at the other end.

    When we fall behind we struggle. When we are under the cosh. He cancels out the midfield ad pumps long balls to Shola.

    It has never worked. But he persists because he cannot come up with an alternative game plan.

    Unfortunately, we are stuck with him because we have an owner with no ambition. I don’t trust him to appoint anyone better so its hard. But Pardew is very mediocre. It’s so disappointing a club our size cannot attract a decent European manager.

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  3. Ice for me its in Jabba we rust as he has zero ambition at all for the club

    Well Pup hows the sleepless nights or have they not really started YET πŸ˜†

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  4. wooo hooo hooo

    its started lads, we can get excited again..

    “Pardew is set to meet Kinnear and chief scout Graham Carr next week for talks”

    Not sure why Carr will be there, he’s got nowt to do with us selling players..

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  5. Pup (2)
    Don’t know where you got that but absolute F*****g Quality. ! Pissed myself.

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  6. @Mark: They could be talking new extension of contract for both Carr and Pardew,

    another 5yrs or 9yrs contract? πŸ˜† πŸ˜†

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  7. Wow – West Ham smashed 5-0 by Forest!! πŸ˜†

    I’m disappointed about yesterday but not surprised to be honest. We aren’t a cup side and haven’t been for some years not. I don’t think Pardew disrespected the competition with the team he put out and expected better than that with that line up.

    I don’t know whether its coz we’ve done nowt it the cups for the last few season – but for some reason, I can’t say I’m overly bothered we’re out. I know I should be, but I think our brush with a relegation battle last season has left PL points being way more important.

    It’s highly unlikely we’ll get out of Man City so I see a little 4 games run of losses, which will place Pardews head firmly back in some people’s chopping block – but the West Ham game could well stop that run.

    Nowt to be too overly concerned about just yet IMO

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  8. Sharpy ,knowing our luck West Ham will have a new manager by then πŸ™„ .

    Scum 3.1 up doing well in the cups this year, shame they’re going down :mrgreen: πŸ˜† πŸ˜†

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  9. Kim – with a week to rest and prepare between games Pardew generally does better than when the games come thick and fast. West Ham could get a new manager but the players would be the same and similar to Pardew and Shola – nee West Ham manager has had Carlton Cole scoring a sack full of goals.
    You might be right, but I’m going to reserve my right to start worrying until that one personally.

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  10. Why are the three of them meeting up for talks, haven’t they already talked out what they do and don’t need πŸ˜• , or has this been let known just to appease the masses like . I don’t want to hear they are meeting up to chat ,just bloody get on with it ffs.

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  11. Sharpy@15 ,Yep that’s why I’m not too fussed on us getting 5th or 6th as it will muck up our following season as Pards can’t cope with it. I’m putting my Euro ambitions for the Toon on the back burner until the day we have a manager and owner who can handle it. πŸ˜‰

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  12. What now is the point of Newcastle United. Mediocrity is now our target each season. How can the fans be so stupid (myself included). Some how we need to get rid of our owner. None of our management and board are fans they won’t be hurting like black n white fans.

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  13. Toby ,that’s the exact point I was making last night, if we aren’t going into every season in search of silverware and by that I mean capital and FA cup ,then what is the point.

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  14. Pup, I had audio but no visual on that link πŸ˜• ,Congrats on the new arrival by the way 😎 πŸ˜€

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  15. Toby – I know what you mean, but I think what they’re aiming for is a few seasons like Evertons last few seasons. The fans see it as mediocrity – the club see it as stability.
    If our next 3 seasons saw us finish say 9th, 8th and 7th with little success in the cups then as fans there wouldn’t be a great deal to get overly excited about I’d have thought. But that level of consistence and stability would do Ashley and his crew just nicely I’d reckon.

    I think I’d probably take it at the moment as well to be honest.

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  16. Sharpy @24, But where’s the enjoyment in that mate, yeah alright we aren’t going down I suppose but is that it and we must be eternally grateful like. Meanwhile teams like Wigan win a cup whilst we struggle to get out of 1st gear ,with nothing but keeping the status quo in the league πŸ™„ .It’s soul destroying , I believe Ashley has ripped the soul out of our football club with his money above al else attitude and employment of a one shoe fits all manager.

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  17. Our purpose as a club is the same as every other club outside maybe 5 or 6 in England – to fill up fixture lists so the big teams can give the impression of legitimate competition.

    You all feel depressed at how Newcastle have no hope of ever winning anything? Think how fans of a team like Crewe feel? They produce good players on a scarily regular basis, they get raided for little money and struggle to even get promotion to the Championship, destined to never win a trophy.

    Football has no hope anymore, it’s a dead sport kept alive by the electrical output of TV cameras.

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  18. Has Allardyce been sacked yet? πŸ˜•
    After Man City, we have West Ham (a), Norwich (a) and Mackems (h). Pardew must know that these games are the opportunity to get our season back on track. Four defeats in a row after Man City and November is a distant memory.

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  19. I have a feeling Fat Sam will be gone by the time we face West Ham and I can see us lose again due to new manager syndrome.

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  20. Knowing our luck Allardyce will be sacked the game before and they will be playing for a new manager. How many times has that happened to us now?

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  21. DJG, I reckon he’s already gone mate, probably the owner tying up lose ends with potential new coach before sackings announced , watch this space as they say.

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  22. How bad are these injuries to Krul and Cabaye? Surely just knocks? If not we may be in big trouble. And Saylor was dubbed moronic by NUFC.com for his play. Sounds very promising doesn’t it? The whole Obertan affair is a farce as well. Get rid of. He’s a waste of space anyway. We’ve known that for at least a year now. What is Kinnear doing other than nothing? We’ve needed a clear out for a long while now. Still I’m sure Ashley is happy just counting his money.

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  23. The football was atrocious yesterday, I nearly fell asleep in the first half. If we are going to play the Pardew way, we need a younger, more mobile and braver target man than Ameobi, to play with a Cisse or a Remy up front. We also need good wingers who can Regularly get to the byline and put in a good cross. Even though he was inconsistent with his crossing, it was good to see Haidara beating his marker and putting regular left footed crosses into the box. If there were 2 strikers there and the opposite winger trying to get there it would create chances. What we played yesterday was just a jumbled up mess of formation and tactics.

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  24. Information

    Most Popular Bets on next manager to be sacked . Our very own Pards leads the race. Taking 20.59% of the bets placed on odds checker.

    Alan Pardew (10/1)Chris Hughton (14/1)David Moyes (40/1)Sam Allardyce (2/5)Arsene Wenger (150/1)Others

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  25. Talk is Cisse spent nearly the entire game against Cardiff offside. Well at least he scored but that doesn’t sound promising either. No transfer activity to speak of yet. Maybe the financial fair play rules are having an effect. The 3 clowns are going to meet next week? Shouldn’t that have been done before the window opened? It’s the blind leading the blind with us.

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  26. That doesn’t sound good Kimtoon lass as we have shown once again that we have no bench strength. After Man City we have some crucial games. This is starting to smell bad again with a clueless owner and director of football just sitting there doing nothing as usual.

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  27. I think Pardew will always play too defensively, especially against poor sides. I’m not just talking about the Cardiff game. Whenever we score first we then proceed to sit back and concede possession over and over again. Not enough resilience in the team. Let’s get some players with grit now to complement the good technical players we already have. Other than Tiote we have few players who really go hard to get the ball back. Ha Bony has just scored. Man U are going out of the cup as well. πŸ™‚

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  28. DJG
    I was sat in the stands yesterday and hadn’t a clue what our game plan was and it just got more and more disjointed if that was possible. In the end it was playground stuff with players running everywhere except the correct direction.
    Plan A didn’t work and Plan B the hit and hope stuff came on back of a fag packet.

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  29. G2
    A lot of the time Cisse just didn’t look across the line and just gambled a run, which was usually offside. For that to work there needs to be a ball played in quickly and accurately and we just havn’t got someone who can do that since Barton and when Cabaye wasn’t playing. What he needs is to be upfront with a target man who wins the first knock down and then Cisse is in the mix to take a shot. It is a waste of time just pumping long balls into Cisse. The one good thing Obertan did in the whole match was to move to the right and beat the LB for pace. He then slid a ball along the ground for Cisse who wasted it, but he really should have done better. But he doesn’t get many chances in games and he isn’t confident enough. Haidara needs more games as well so I’m pleased he’s getting a chance with Debuchy out.

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  30. Kim – yeah teams like Wigan win a cup but where are they now?.

    Since 2010:

    Man Utd = 2 league titles
    Man City = 1 league title
    Chelsea = CL, Europa + FA cups
    Liverpool = League Cup
    Arsenal = Nowt
    Spurs = Nowt
    Everton = Nowt

    When you consider the multi millions spent by those clubs (excluding Everton). Clearly they have the strength in their squads that allow them to compete across 3 or 4 competitions.

    If we finished 7th and got to the semi finals of a cup, would that be better?
    We’d still have won nowt!.

    But there again, we’re Newcastle United!. It’s around 55 yrs since we’ve won anything! (excluding promotions) – so how is it now Ashley or Pardews fault?!.

    Finishing 7th or 8th would probably require around 50-60 points, so there would be enjoyment in accumulating those. But also, there would be enjoyment in not being involved in relegation battles.

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  31. Swansea through against ManU away from home and we lose to Cardiff at home. That should tell us something about the quality of our respective teams and managers. We have a sad sack owner, a delusional director of football and a manager who still thinks he’s managing West Ham in his one and only glorious cup run as a manager.

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  32. Thanks for that DJG @40. It’s good to hear more about the actual game from someone who was there. That has been Cisse’s problem for months now as well as his wild shooting when he does get chances. Nobody to get him the ball quickly enough. But if he’s so quick off the mark that nobody can anticipate his runs then what’s the point? He should have learned that by now. We need a big clearout. I would part with Obertan, Marveaux, Gosling, and Amalfitano by the summer at the latest. No contract extension for Shola. Bring in a good new CB and a striker. Spend about 25M pounds. Bring in a decent winger if Sammy can’t cut it soon. We need some decent depth otherwise we’ll be having the same conversations season after season. Can Joe cut it as DoF? I strongly doubt it.

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  33. An interesting point is one we’ve been arguing about for months now. Is Cisse offside so much because we don’t get him the ball quickly enough or is it that he makes such quick impulsive runs that nobody can actually anticipate them, even Cabaye? If so he should have adjusted his game long before this. He’s clearly not a holdup type of player so what is Pardew’s plan to improve his effectiveness or do they even discuss it? I would hate to bet money on that.

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  34. G2 @43
    Some very good points there. I think Ashley needs to decide if he is going to stick with Pardew and what is Kinnears role at the club. If I was Kinnear I would be saying to Graham Carr, we need specifically this and this. ie.. a tall, powerful CF who challenges for things in the air. A left footed winger with end product (Craig Noone?) A central defender with certain traits. ect ect. It’s no good Carr getting Arsene Wenger type players for Pardew. Pardew needs players with specific skills to play a game of nick a goal and then defend set pieces ect. I would some players will leave also, I don’t disrespect Ameobi but I think his time is up at the end of this contract, time moves on. If his role is to win headers and set up goals rather than score, there are better players on the market.

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  35. G2
    When Cisse first arrived he didn’t seem to have any problems getting on the end of through balls and time runs into the box or finding space.
    His first touch was a hell if a lot better too.

    The question is more, what has Pardew worked into his game that he probably shouldnt have!?

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  36. G2 – I think we need a total overhaul of the squads. From academy to 1st team. You look at the number of teenagers and early 20’s players throughout the PL teams now and think its time for our younger players to be stepping up or moved on.
    I’m thinking of players like Tavenier, Sammy, and Bigi who are players of an age now that should be banging on the door – but arent even making the bench regularly.

    Personally I think the first team squad needs at least 1 CF. A player who is comfortable playing wide, and a creative attacking midfielder.

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  37. They same could be said of Jonas, Sissoko, Remy, Ben Arfa, Marvauex.
    They all seem to have gone backwards.

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  38. Sharpy
    I agree, I think we need 1 CF. (Andy Carroll type player) and a winger (by that I mean someone who hugs the touchline, not another ‘creative midfielder’)

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  39. Sharpy @41 ,Difference is that under previous regimes we were always up to try and win a cup where as this lot has openly admitted that they are not bothered. What are you on about @41, Why only count from 2010 when talking about success in cups for those clubs that’s a bit selective isn’t it . Wigan fans are still made up with that cup , us going down wouldn’t have felt half as bad if we’d had the fa cup to console us. Oh and since you ask Wigan are 3 points off the playoff zone having a game in hand.

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  40. DJG
    We desperately need a creative midfielder. We don’t have anyone creative besides Cabaye. Someone who is comfortable in the final third and someone who doesn’t play for himself like Ben Arfa does.

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  41. Agree on the target man though. Of we are going to use lump ball as often as Padres does when plan A isn’t working at least get someone decent at it.

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  42. Biggest win by us this season was 5.1 against 9 man stoke who were the better team for first half hour and 0.3 v Palace who anyone can beat,every other game we’ve won has been scrappy 1.0 or 2.0 , I wouldn’t mind settling for 7th and say 50 odd points and no cups if the football was entertaining and we had a good attacking mentality but it’s not and we don’t. Man utd is the only game I really enjoyed so far tbh, we simply have to get another forward in at least this window otherwise we are going to struggle and with the cups gone it doesn’t bare thinking about.

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  43. Some excellent points from everyone. The squad depth is a huge issue and we see it every season in the cups. Based on those performances we have an extremely poor squad past our starting XI. I just can’t see it any other way and that is Kinnear’s only real role. So what is he doing? Why no real effort last summer when we so clearly had some excess baggage? This window and next summer are huge tests for Kinnear. If he doesn’t really start to have an impact he should be gone. Wake up again Ashley.

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  44. Kim – 2010 coz that’s when Pardew took over. I wasn’t trying to fiddle stats or out like that πŸ˜›
    I have to say though that I’m totally lost off with this mentality of yours and KKs like. You say:

    Wigan fans are still made up with that cup , us going down wouldn’t have felt half as bad if we’d had the fa cup to console us.

    So if someone said you can have the FA Cup – but it comes with a relegation. Or you finish 7th but you’re out in round 3 or 4 – which would you honestly go with?.

    KK keeps saying that its about the performance not the result!. So looking good and loosing is better than looking poor and wining?! – seriously I just don’t get that like?!.

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  45. Instead of losing but looking good or winning but looking poor how about winning and looking brilliant? You can forget those other two options for me mates. I want a team good enough to finish in the top 6 every season and actually compete well against lower division clubs in the cups. Why else be a supporter? Give us some entertaining football that leads to wins. That’s what both Keegan and Sir Bobby did. I know we didn’t win anything with them but we came damn close a few times. I can’t say the same with Ashley, Kinnear, and Pardew, the 3 stooges.

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  46. DJG – I don’t think Remy will stay. So that leaves Cisse as the only senior CF (with Shola likely leaving).
    Based on that I’d go with Gomis and Finnbogason in at CF. I’d defo try and get this Cabella kid if there’s any chance of it coming off coz he will create chances without doubt.
    Then a winger like Tom Ince or a player similar to that, that would provide a better balance to a 4-4-2 formation if we played that against certain opponents

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  47. Lots of rumours flying about now about incoming. Luuk de Jong on loan and possibly Gomis on a permanent deal. Even Cabella is still being mentioned. I’ll believe it when I see them holding up the shirts.

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  48. Is Joe talking to other clubs about players then? If so can he pronounce their names? I would hate to end up with us signing Sidney Poitier and Harry Belafonte instead of Gomis and Lukaku. Joe put your reading glasses on mate.

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  49. ‘Carl Cort’s Β£7million transfer to Newcastle back in 2000 came as some surprise, and the striker manged to score just seven goals in 22 appearances throughout his four year tenure with the Magpies.

    But, according to legend, Bobby Robson accidentally bought the wrong player. Cort was playing for Wimbledon, alongside Jason Euell, who was the Robson’s actual transfer target. The Newcastle manager sent his scouts off to watch The Dons, instructing them he wanted a valuation for their up-and-coming black forward.

    The scouts attended a game, where as chance might have it, Euell had been pushed back into midfield to make room for Carl Cort up front, and instead concentrated on the latter player, informing Robson that he would cost them Β£7million.

    Wimbledon obviously took the money and ran, considering their youngster had scored just 16 goals in over 70 league appearances, and didn’t ask any questions.

    Robson was shocked to say the least to see a totally different player turn up to training than the one he had been watching from afar.

    It is unknown how much truth is in the story, although it seems possible considering Jason Euell proved to be a far better player than Carl Cort. Rather interestingly however, a few years later, Lomanu LuaLua was asked in an interview if he had a nickname, which he replied β€œNo”, and was subsequently asked what the Gaffer (Bobby Robson) called him, to which he told the reporter β€œCarl Cort”, presenting the possibility that the ageing Robson literally had no idea who was playing for him up front during his time as Newcastle boss.’

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  50. I always laugh when I read about the famous Carl Cort signing DJG. With Joe the mystery remains. Can he pronounce our own players names? If not should he be let out unattended? He may be staggering around France at this very moment creating havoc in various club boardrooms. A secret weapon for our next Europa adventure you say? πŸ˜†

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  51. Remy wants Champs League football (oh and a big paycheque by the way). He won’t get either from Ashley. Shola is done like dinner. I’m amused by all the positive spin coming out about 4 signings but let’s wait and see. Joe hasn’t even addressed the squad’s problems let alone the coming departure of Colo who is often injured now anyway and the aging Ameobi. For an 8th place team we look very shaky on the bench. I’m not sure we’ll be 8th for much longer. Fortunately there is a big gap between us and 10th place Hull (10 points, amazing). And to think it’s Hull in 10th is amazing as well. I just can’t believe the complete collapse of West Ham. Didn’t see anything as severe as that coming but Carroll has been a complete disaster for them with his injuries. The complete Fulham collapse somewhat surprised me as well. Nobody could have been surprised by Sunderland though. πŸ˜†

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  52. Sharpy@57, Obviously the cup and relegation isn’t an option I would pick ,you are twisting what I said a tad there. What I said was, had we had the fa cup when we went down it would of been some consolation . And looking good and losing ,I never mentioned that ,I said we haven’t been entertaining and that matters to me personally , though I know some are not that fussed how we win and that’s fair enough it’s their opinion.

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  53. I’m loving watching ManU lose and Moyes squirm. Beautiful. I wish I could say the same for Man City, Chelsea, and Liverpool but they are very good sides, as is Arsenal most of the time. We’re a strange club that nobody can really understand. From 5th to 16th to 8th. Almost anything is possible from season to season with Captain Bizzarro Mike Ashley leading the way.

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  54. G2, The Carroll injury is an interesting one ,they were talking about it on Sunday supplement this morning, apparently it’s a very bad injury more akin to what ballet dancers suffer. All about the jumping apparently, which is obviously his game like so if it doesn’t heal right he’s in big trouble. The specialist originally told this press guy early December for his comeback yet here we are in January , wondering if he’ll ever be the same.

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  55. Very interesting indeed Kimtoon lass. So it sounds like Andy won’t be swapping his football boots for a tutu and ballet slippers then? Don’t tell him I said that. Sad if his career is over though.

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  56. Kim – The FA Cup would have been colsulation – but ultimately all you are then is the FA Cup holders playing Championship football.
    The day at Wembley is tremendous and knowing you’ve won the cup is great, but it doesn’t count for much when you’re away to Plymouth Argyle πŸ˜†

    I personally think winning is most important for 2 reason. The first is obvious – the points. The 2nd is that winning breeds confidence and confident teams generally play better football.
    I think our best problem at the moment is that we lack quality creative players. Benny has the most assists and I don’t need to remind you how few games his started this season. There after there is no one in the team/squad who you can look at and say they are going to create chances. The 2nd problem is that when chances are created Shola or Cisse haven’t been putting them away.

    I don’t particularly like Martinez, but to be fair to him, he’s gone in at Everton and immediate started to shift the players he didn’t think were good enough and brought in or loaned better players.

    Pardew never has done that IMO.

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  57. Will De Jong be the answer to our problem, I understand he hasn’t been starting games only been a sub and has yet to score πŸ™„ Anyone watch him on a regular basis?

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  58. Kim – I feel I have redeemed myself a little bit then πŸ˜‰ πŸ˜†

    Regarding De Jong – stand by for much gloating from Troy as he called that at the start of the week to be fair.

    I’m not sure if he’s the answer or not, so if he comes I’d rather that one be a loan deal as well to be honest.

    He should get on well with Remy though. They could discuss why they each ****ed us off for another club, only to end up joining us on loan. Then they could finish by discussing why neither will join us on a permanent basis

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