It may only be a temporary switch for now, but I get the feeling if he impresses at Carrow Road then Chris Hughton will look to make the move permanent in the summer. That’s if he is still in charge of the Canaries by then.
In many ways it is quite fitting that Jonas has moved to Norwich to be with Chris Hughton once more. For me both of those, among others, are synonymous with our promotion from the Championship and subsequent solidification in the Premier League once more.
However chance for Gutierrez have become harder to come by in recent months. Once one of the first names on the team sheet under Hughton and latterly Alan Pardew, Jonas has only made two league appearances this season although I suspect that would have been more had it not been for injury.
Of course for the accountants it’s no doubt great news. Contracted with us until 2015 it’s more than likely one high wage earner trimmed from the bill – wages that are unlikely to be ploughed back into the club by covering wage costs of a new player.
I still think it’s kind of sad though, in an emotional way, just because Jonas has been with us for a while and stuck (whether through choice or necessity) with us in our darkest recent hours.
But then you have to look at it sensibly. Jonas probably wants to be playing football and if he can’t get it here then quite rightly he’ll want to get it elsewhere. Emotion aside, could anyone really justify a place in the side for Jonas as things stand? How many times has his ability to win a free-kick been used a reason to justify him? Or his work-ethic? 198 appearances with 11 goals and not many more assists speaks volumes.
It could have been different though and I thought it would have been when I recall his debut at Old Trafford. He was exceptional that day and his performance left many fans purring but that was to be an exception rather than the norm.
This is not to say he won’t be missed. A senior member of the squad and reportedly well-liked within the camp he will be, as a person, but as a player perhaps not so much? I wish him all the best and hope his move works out for him, apart from when we play Norwich of course.
All the best, Jonas!
Too right Dave and god only knows how long we are stuck with them. 🙁
KIMTOON(Quote)
Bit shoddy by Pards, could of at least give him a reason like 🙁
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/norwichs-jonas-gutierrez-newcastle-exit-3029641
KIMTOON(Quote)
KIM the whole club is shoddy mate the whole thing stinks imo,money making machine for jabba end of,they are taking the heart out of the toon 🙁
icedog(Quote)
Kim – I’m disappointed by that like. Jonas at least deserved a bit of respect and gratitude for his services.
I can fully understand the reason we are looking to move him on as can most I’d have thought, but it should be done better than that like.
Ice – I’m starting to agree with that opinion now like. If we’ve done nowt by the end of this window then I’m fully on board with it. For me you can’t go through 2 transfer windows with no strengthening – especially when there are clear weaknesses in the squad.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Kim you would think after the service he gave to us , he would have atleast deserved to be sat down and given a reason, real bad **** they way he was treated
Big Dave(Quote)
Sharpy are you sure you wont give them another window to strengthen the areas we need strengthened in.
And I dont mean if the pick up another midfield player that we dont need but he was maybe very cheap.
Big Dave(Quote)
I’m genuinely upset that Jonas is leaving. More than when Nolan left, more than when Shearer retired. Jonas was a player that signed when I started really paying close attention to Newcastle and so has been a consistent presence. He may not have been everybody’s favourite player but his graft and commitment is a rare commodity in today’s game. Also his ability to run into three opposition players and still retain the ball on the other side was highly amusing. He will be missed and I’ll be paying close attention to how he’s doing with the canaries.
Andymag(Quote)
wonder if jonas will get fined for speaking to the press its against club rules,to me it shows pardew (act) is just a front and is just as evil as jabba thats how he keeps his job,no decent manager would put up with the **** jabba throws at the club,jonas stuck with us when we went down which showed his faith in the club he could have walked this is the reward he gets from jabba,i know all players come to the end of there time at a club but to treat the guy like this is as kim says shoddy
icedog(Quote)
AMF/Brisbane
Hey guys was hoping you could tell me what channel on tv the toon games are in oz. Will be over there in under a week and was wondering where I could watch it.
Andymag(Quote)
Richie @348
He’s living in the UK now. So he’s your problem. 😛
Same as KP, these guys move to the UK and within months they become complete @$%ers!
I’ve heard the same happens to UK residents that move to Spain… 😉
JJ(Quote)
Completely agree ice. You would think they’d show him a bit more respect than that.
Andymag(Quote)
ANDY having lived in oz it depends on where about you are going state wise as they are diff mind it has changed a bit since i was there mate
icedog(Quote)
Dave – I gave them the summer window because JK had just taken up his new role and fairs fair, he had to be given time to get together with Pards and Carr to decide what was going to happen.
Since then they have made it public that they recognize we need strengthening up front and out wide.
I personally don’t see loan deals as strengthening – more a short term fix.
The players are there and could be bought at an affordable price. So if we aren’t getting them – do we even need JK?!.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Jonas was one of Pardew’s key men. He kept his head down, worked hard & usually did a good job.
Maybe it’s the right time for him to move on but for him to just be dropped without an explanation is just shoddy.
He was probably the most likely person to put himself on the line for Pardew & Pardew didn’t have any decency in dealing with him.
That’s really rubbish man management & doesn’t surprise me to be honest. The Liverpool game last season didn’t have a single player playing for the manager.
When our players our motivated (second half vs Man City) they are good enough to give any team a tough game.
We don’t see enough determination from our players because Pardew is not close to them.
KK(Quote)
I guess it would have been nice of Pardew to tell him why but at the same time, if you don’t have anything nice to say should you say it all? He was a good character and servant but there was a sky article saying he didn’t know why he’d been dropped from the team….well it’s kind of because you’re not good enough any more…my guess is that is the same reason he is leaving -although there was also those rumours about a wage hike? Guess that’s all speculation.
Newkie(Quote)
Sharpy – given our history I never expected to be a fan of Tightarse United. We’re now chasing a young guy whose had a dreadful time in Germany and may never make it in the Prem – on loan.
Where’s the Shearers, Asprillas, Solanos, the Ginolas. Nobody went bust when we were having a wonderful time at the top end of the league instead of fiddling around trying for 10th, casting envious glances at Spurs, Everton etc. 👿 👿 👿
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@NEWKIE
There is no shame in being told your not as good as you once were. Nobody stays young forever.
Pardew should have been proactive in alleviating any concerns Jonas had about his career.
Pardew has seen many players on the downward curve of their career but it is Jonas’ first time. He’s been here five years. The change would have been daunting & it would have been nice to have the managers arm around him.
KK(Quote)
KK-Surely that much is obvious enough to Jonas? If not from his own realisation then the constant groans of the crowd last season should have done it. Pardew stuck by Jonas a lot longer than many managers would have and drew a hell of a lot of criticism for it-most would have been glad to see the back of him last year imo.
I really like Jonas as a player, but at the same time there is no room for sentiment in footie. From a Machiavellian viewpoint do you really want to beef up somebody’s confidence even though he will now be playing for a rival side in the premier league? Playing devils advocate as I’m surprised Pardew didn’t have a word, but i’m not really angry about it.
Newkie(Quote)
Georgio
It’s the way of the times though. A link was posted on here looking at the average net spend per club over the last 5 seasons.
We were bottom.
What was interesting was that among the bottom were also Arsenal, Everton and Tottenham. These are the clubs we should be looking to inspiration from. I do think Ashley looks at their model. His implementation and manner are just a bit ****.
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
Biggest what if:
Imagine if we had Sir Bobby manager, Shepherd’s reckless spending but with Graham Carr as head scout…
League would have been in the bag ❗
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
Andy, where ever you are staying will need foxtel mate. Foxtel is the only broadcaster of our games.
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KK
January 17, 2014 at 11:59
Why are you still complaining about Pardew when he’s done as good a job as any has done in the last ten years at NUFC.
Look at the facts. He’s spent absolutely no money in net terms, got the team to 5th and is now 8th and yet you still complain…One bad season when the club didn’t support him and improve the squad is the only blot on his copy book and that not even his fault.
Stuart79(Quote)
Reading the article it seems a massive shame the way in which Jonas was left and the treatment he received.
Good comment on the article – was the brutal honesty of Pardew fairer than Mourinho’s stringing along of Mata?
Also the new contract clause heavily rumoured to exist isn’t mentioned by Jonas. Maybe Pardew told him that he would only be able to play again if he accepted lower terms or something and Jonas refused but didn’t want to tell the fans that was the reason ❓
Doesn’t seem like a Jonas thing to do but nothing surprises me with footballers and their greed.
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
Take it Kinnear hasn’t signed any freebies today ?
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Stuart79
We would have got CL that season with someone else obviously. Come on our backline of Simpson-Colo-Willo-Raylor/Santon was easily better than Arsenal’s and Spur’s 👿
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
Staurt79 Your absolutely right Pardew can’t be expected to do well with no money on transfer’s. 12th, 5th, 16th 8th with no financial help from Ashley what so ever! People should try pointing the finger at MIKE CHEAP SKATE ASHLEY!!!
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Also he’s been he 3 seasons.
For 1/2 a season he had no PL standard striker.
For 1 season (over two) he had just 1 PL striker.
For 1 1/2 seasons he’s had 2 PL strikers.
Unacceptable 👿
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
been here*
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
Solano@395- Don’t bring up what ifs, we’re the worst club for what could have beens. Pains me. 98 and 99 F.A Cup finals can do one anarl 😥
Newkie(Quote)
Georgio/ST – A Shearer, Ferdinand or Ginola would be great. But I’m not expecting or asking for huge money to be spent and I’m not looking for us to sign 5 players per window either. But when it’s clear that we need to strengthen then I’d expect a club of our size to add the players we need.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Newkie ,I agree there is no room for sentiment but to just say you won’t play anymore and you need to find a new club to someone who gave 100% for 5 years is terrible imo. What ever must the other players think, they sure as hell won’t give a seconds thought of loyalty to us after seeing that like, I know I wouldn’t. It was a classless way to tell him he was finished with us. Why couldn’t he say to him ,we have really valued all your efforts for us over the last 5 years but it’s time for us both to move on now or something along those lines .Really, is it so hard to show some gratitude to a good pro, I feel bad for Jonas , he no way deserved that.
KIMTOON(Quote)
Georgio-How old are you, I only ask as you strike me as an oldie 😉 ? Surely there was a time before we were shelling out for world class players? In reality that is basically our history, not the 10 year stint where we threw money at the team.
Like Sharpy, I can accept we are not in the elite bracket of European or English clubs and won’t pay out world record fees, but I do expect us to make the signings necessary to gain ground on them and stay ahead of those behind.
Newkie(Quote)
Sharpy@405, Agree totally mate, it wouldn’t take that much, it’s unacceptable that a club like Newcastle united are only loaning a striker , I can’t remember us ever doing that previous to this regime.
KIMTOON(Quote)
Kim-apparently he said Jonas had to work to get back in the team or move if he wanted first team football. After Jonas wasn’t picked for Cardiff he then took that as he would no longer be involved so he looked for a new club. As far as I’m aware he never told him he was finished like you suggest. But I’m not really sure, it’s all a bit odd. While Jonas does seem a happy chappy you can’t forget that he rescinded on his contract with Mallorca before we got him and that could have meant that they and the argentinian side that co owned him and raised him would have recieved no money for the transfer-not exactly a show of loyalty to his club at home who raised him and who would have desperately wanted European funds for their club.
I don’t want to paint Jonas in a bad light but I’m not sure it’s as black and white as he claims.
Newkie(Quote)
Kim – the only one I can think of was Rossi.
I don’t have a huge issue with loan deals as the Benny one work ok for us I suppose. The Remy one too – if he gets sent down 😆
Seriously though, loan deals can work out ok at times, but money has to be spent to strengthen as well.
So far the only player we have definately been linked with is De Jong – maybe Gomis. These are players we were linked with 2 seasons ago!.
Have the scouting teams had 6 mth off or something?.
Sharpy17(Quote)
We loaned Luis Saha as well.
Newkie(Quote)
I don’t think there’s anything at all wrong with loan players.
Real Madrid had Essien on loan a couple of years ago!
Athletic Madrid have had Chelsea’s keeper on loan for years.
It’s entirely down to circumstance. Some say that it’s pointless as you are improving a rival teams player – but I don’t think Everton fans care two jots about when Lukaku is firing them up the league..
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
@Stuart79
‘Why are you still complaining about Pardew when he’s done as good a job as any has done in the last ten years at NUFC?’
I’m complaining about Pardew because of his shoddy treatment of Jonas. You could also add Marveaux.
Saying he’s done as good a job as any is like saying he’s not been as incompetent as most of our other managers. That’s not exactly something to boast about.
Is it true though? Has Pardew really been better than most of our other managers??
Nope.
Pardew has been the worst manager at the club for a long time. That’s based on the results he’s given us.
Proof?
Points Per Game:
1) Hughton – 1.91
2) Keegan (first time) – 1.85
3) Roeder – 1.7
4) Robson – 1.65
5) Souness – 1.51
6) Dalglish – 1.43
7) Gullit – 1.42
8) Pardew – 1.35
9) Allardyce – 1.25
10) Keegan (second time) – 1.14
11) Kinnear – 1.11
12) Shearer – 0.62
Everybody below Pardew was in charge for 24 games or less.
Allardyce, Keegan (second time), Kinnear & Shearer were in charge for 71 games. Pardew has been in charge for 145 games.
He’s been in charge of twice as many games as everybody on the list except for SBR & Keegan (first time). Is he really deserving to be our manager for as long as Keegan & SBR? Is he that good??
I think it’s silly to say he’s had no money to spend. What would he do with it? Would he have built a better squad than we have now?? With ridiculous signings like Darren Bent last summer???
Thankfully he doesn’t get to decide who we sign anymore.
Our transfer business has been the best in the league so i’m not sure why any fan would complain.
Still, why blame Pardew when it’s easier to have a go at Mike Ashley & Joe Kinnear.
After all, Pardew is doing us a favour.
Before he came here he was relaxing in the sun (unemployed) after doing a fantastic job at Southampthon (low staff morale).
Where are League One Southampton now? They really struggled without Pardew.
KK(Quote)
Solano@412, Fair point but I would just prefer that our number 9 was ours , we’ve had so many good ones over the years and I hate the fact we are improving and putting rival teams players in the shop window.
Newkie, I was on about no 9’s really.
KIMTOON(Quote)
KK
January 17, 2014 at 14:35
What you seem to have brushed over is the fact that all the managers above Pardew in your futile list had millions upon millions to spend on players, for the most part had a stable club without the circus of having an owner with no ambition, who makes a habit of upsetting supporters and players and also didn’t have a director of football like JFK!
But having money to buy best players really does help and unfortunately for us – Pardew has not had any unless he’s funded them by selling.
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Kim
The main worry for me is that our board aren’t the quickest to act. Come the end of the season we have one confidence-sapped striker, and Ameobi 😕
Lets hope they’ve got something lined up.
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
Solano, I hope you aren’t holding your breath mate 😉
KIMTOON(Quote)
KK
Points/game is misleading – you have included cup games. Come back with his league points/game 🙄
Pardew year 1: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18067904
Pardew year 2: http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2013/06/17/newcastle-hit-rock-bottom-of-the-2012-13-injuries-league-170601/
Pardew year 3: ❓
Not taking into the factors Stuart has said.
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
KK-Convenient for you to rule out those below with an arbitary figure and then somehow just say he is worse than all those above him-even though he inherited a side that had just come up from the championship with what most people agreed was side in need of dire reinforcements and not a title challenging/champions league squad like several of our other managers. You ruined the good point you made yesterday by now implying Hughton is the best because you left in his championship winning % 😆 madness.
Kim-how is Saha not a striker 😕 Or are you on about literally loaning someone with the number 9 shirt? Luuk De Jong can’t be our number 9 anyway as we already have one. And surely loaning someone else’s number 9 looks more ambitious on the face of it than their 34? 😀
Newkie(Quote)
@newkie
I think Jonas would have known his NUFC career was coming to an end.
Footballers have short careers & telling a player he is no longer needed is like making them redundant.
I think Pardew should have handled it better because that is the decent thing to do. Will it have any consequences either way? Nope but it does shed some light on how he treats the players & how the players feel about him.
Would Colo & Cabaye really want to leave in such a public way if they had a good emotional bond with Pardew?
Ronaldo wanted to go to Real Madrid, he did but he still looks at Ferguson like a second father.
Pardew did stick by Jonas but i don’t think he did it out of kindness for Jonas. Obviously i could be wrong but he doesn’t seem to have a close relationship with any of the players.
Sometimes it works for a manager but on the whole i think it doesn’t (Mancini).
Good managers are leaders. They’re the Don. Almost father-like figures to their players. Ferguson & Ronaldo, SBR, Simeone etc. They have a duty to their players.
From a Machiavellian viewpoint you would want the player to have nothing to prove & to leave on a good farewell. You wouldn’t want them to be hurt, upset or angry & talking to the papers negatively. That’s when they’re dangerous!
KK(Quote)
I still can’t understand how some fans don’t see that the fact Pardew won manager of the year for finishing 5th shows that our squad isn’t as talented as they believe it to be.
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
KK
Didn’t a few of our players contribute to SBR’s sacking? Nice way to treat a father-like figure. 😕
Blaming the Colo/Cabaye issues on Pardew is beyond embarrassing.
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
Newkie, you know full well what I’m getting at, our most deadly forward should always be our no.9 and if there is no faith in the current one then sell him and pay what it takes to get a top replacement not loan someone elses cast offs.
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@Stuart79
I didn’t brush over the fact that some managers spent (& wasted) millions. Have you forgotten about Boumsong for £8m!
It doesn’t matter how much money the club spends (Arsenal). What does matter is the quality of players the manager has.
The squad Pardew has is the best squad since SBR was manager. Nobody between SBR & Pardew has had such a good squad.
I’m even thinking we might have the best back 5 we’ve ever had. We’re stronger in the middle than what SBR had but we’re weaker on the wings. Not sure about up front because Shearer was in his twilight years by then.
The club has never been as stable as it has been since we were relegated. Pardew has the most secure job in the league! What instability has he had to deal with??
What has JFK done wrong as DoF? Honestly, i think he hasn’t done anything in the 6 months he’s been here but i guess you’ll blame him anyway.
You have to sell to buy. Man Utd do it. Arsenal do it. Chelsea do it. Spurs do it. Everton do it. The list is endless!
What piece of transfer business has the club screwed up on??
KK(Quote)
Solano,@422, Yep but this came later 😉
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/4403543.stm
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Sorry KK you’re back on with the nonsense brigade fella. The conclusions you can draw from something so minor despite plenty of evidence suggesting the opposite is staggering. Don’t have the time to get involved with you, better things to do on a friday!
It’s also cute how you can reference Simeone in almost all your posts nowadays. 😆
Newkie(Quote)
@SolanosTrumpet
Why would you exclude the cup games?
If Pardew won a cup we wouldn’t exclude it, would we?
KK(Quote)
Kim – I genuinely didn’t, I was under the impression you just didn’t like loan signings. There are some rumours about a switch with Cisse and De Jong(I don’t buy it) but if we loaned a striker who could help Cisse score goals then surely that would be a good thing? If he is loaned he won’t be replacing Cisse, it would be Shola (imo). Unfortunately Cisse has already lost out to Remy as he has worked better with our current set of players and style of play.
Newkie(Quote)
@newkie
Ruling out those below Pardew because they were in charge for less than 24 games is not an arbitrary figure.
How much influence can a manager have in 24, 21, 18 or 8 games?
He inherited a side with Cabaye, Tiote, Ben Arfa, Coloccini, Jonas, Carroll etc. That’s hardly a group of players that should be fighting against relegation.
I’m not implying Hughton is the best manager we’ve ever had, he isn’t in the same way Shearer isn’t the worst manager we’ve ever had.
Pardew is the worst despite haveing twice as long as any other manager excluding SBR & KK.
KK(Quote)
Well 10 of Roeder’s 33 wins came in the Inter-Toto and Uefa Cups. Look at the squad he had (e.g Owen, Martins, Rossi, Luque, Ameobi, Sibierski).
I’m sure if Pardew had started last season with that sort of squad depth we would have won more of our cup games.
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
KK-He inherited a side with Cabaye now did he? Rewriting fucking history. Stop talking ***** mate 😆
Newkie(Quote)
Stop worrying because Gouffran will get the goals next season with Sammy Ameobi. We don’t need high earners like Remy, Ba.
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Pardew’s win % in Europe 12/13 = 33%
Roeder’s win % in Europe 06/07 = 71%
KK, can you answer why this might be misleading?
(Hint Pardew got to the quarters and Roeder only got to the last 16).
Exclude cup games and reassess his points/game if you are actually looking to be fair.
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
Newkie
I also like the “inherited Carroll”, I think who played all of 3 games for him. He then had to make do with an Best, Ameobi, Lovenkrands and Ranger for the rest of the season 😆
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
Solano-aye, but don’t forget Phil Airey or Shefki either 😆
Carroll played what a handful of games before he was crocked and sold and who the entire side had been built around. Ben Arfa had been chopped in half at that time and would take about a year to return following his other set backs, Jonas who was rated because he could win set pieces for Carroll and Tiote who NOBODY had heard of before we signed him. Yes what a mighty side he had at his disposal 😆
Newkie(Quote)
Newkie@428, Fair enough.
KIMTOON(Quote)
Salano I don’t understand why we ever got rid of Roeder. Everyone wanted O’Neil and Allerdyce at the time. Personally I wanted O’Neil to become our new manager after SBR not Souness! Roedar would have achieved the same but Pardew’s not as bad as everyone thinks. His defensive but sometimes it works. Just like attacking you can still lose. Ashley to be fair hasn’t really supported any of his managers unless his been forced too. Do you really think any manager can do well under him ?
Terry(Quote)
So Ince is going to Monaco. Sharpy is gunna be pissed 😀
Newkie(Quote)
Ha had forgotten about Kuqi!
You’re being a bit too nice Pardew. He had a bloody English international CB as 3rd choice all season so his squad can’t have been too bad 😯
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
@solanostrumpet
‘Didn’t a few of our players contribute to SBR’s sacking? Nice way to treat a father-like figure. :???:’
Yep, & they regret it now:
“I was in China on a pre-season tour with West Ham when Warren Barton broke the news to me that Sir Bobby had died.
“We were at a stadium for a friendly and they organised a minute’s silence for him.
“I broke down during that silence because I couldn’t stop thinking about that Middlesbrough game.
“I couldn’t stop thinking about what I cost him. If there was one thing I could go back to and erase in my life, it would be that. Just to have played that game.
“What was so horrible about Middlesbrough was that he got sacked a couple of games after. I took that on my shoulders.
“He understood my reasons and there’s a lot more to that story. I’m protecting a friend of mine so I can’t tell it all.
“But I still should have started the game where he wanted me to start. I can’t believe now that I acted the way I did. Afterwards, the press got stuck into me for letting Sir Bobby down. But he would not hang me out to dry.
“Instead, he came straight out of his press conference and said to me ‘they’ve got a story brewing but I’ve just told them you didn’t play because of your tight hamstring’. I was thinking ‘I’ve just let you down and here you are still protecting me’. It was unbelievable.
“Soon after that, we had Norwich at St James’s Park in a night game. I started. I had 52,000 people booing me every time I touched the ball because of what I’d done to the manager.
“The gaffer put me out of my misery after 60 minutes and I ran straight down the tunnel and jumped in the bath. Sir Bobby came into the bathroom after all the lads had gone. He sat down and he was upset because he thought he had let me down because of all the stick I was getting and he couldn’t protect me.”
“You look at yourself as a 23-year-old thinking you can’t be bothered to train today,” Dyer said, “then you look at Sir Bobby doing press ups in the snow at 70. It brings it home to you that you have to give it all you can while you have got the opportunity. He never held the Middlesbrough thing against me. In fact, he rang me up a few days after he had been sacked and told me to keep my head up.”
“That was Bobby, he knew how to keep players happy!
“Yet if you are thinking of British football he is in the top three managers.
“He is up there with Sir Alex and Sir Alf Ramsey. He was a wonderful man.
He knew how to deal with all of the players.
“Sir Bob managed real legends in the game.
“He managed them all, not just us. Romario, Stoichkov, Ronaldo, Figo, Guardiola, van Nistelrooy, Gazza and Shearer – all of the big names.
“You don’t hear any player have a bad word to say about him. That is testament to him.
“In football it is very hard to keep whole squads happy, but everyone loves Bobby.
“That is how he was as a manager.”
“I had my injury problems while at Newcastle but I still played a heck of a lot of games up there.
“I signed for West Ham and broke my leg and it was all down hill from there.
“Newcastle was the high point for me – but not just for me, for a lot of the players from that time.
“We were playing great football and we were in the Champions League up against Inter Milan an Barcelona.
“If we were not in the Champions League we were in the UEFA Cup and we reached the latter stages.
“They were exciting times for us.”
KK(Quote)
Terry
Yeah I think they are both pretty similar standards. It just annoys me when people draw up things that paint Pardew as one of our worst managers 👿
Reckon we’ll have a couple of years of this comfortable mid-table/challenge for Europa under Ashley then he’ll sell up.
It’s annoying but we should be in a pretty good and stable position to crack on.
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Terry-Yeah to be fair Roeder did decently enough in the league, the squad was shocking by that point no thanks to the exploits of Sourpuss-other things like the fact he had money and made the team worse are surely worth mentioning- who’s fault is it that Pardew’s squad is arguably better than his?….I would say his 😕 Money went a lot further back then as well.
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Salano I am sure Pardew wants to win a cup and do the best that he can. He gave players a second chance in the f.a cup third round but the second team isn’t good enough. These players should be ashamed of themselves and the only one that apologised to the fan’s was Steven Taylor which show’s he cares. It’s about time our youth academy started producing better players. It’s not good enough by a long way and it has to happen soon because Ashley wont waste money in the transfer market and expects more from it. How can we not find another Shearer in the making, it’s utter madness !
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KK
January 17, 2014 at 15:03
@Stuart79
I didn’t brush over the fact that some managers spent (& wasted) millions. Have you forgotten about Boumsong for £8m!
It doesn’t matter how much money the club spends (Arsenal). What does matter is the quality of players the manager has.
The squad Pardew has is the best squad since SBR was manager. Nobody between SBR & Pardew has had such a good squad.
I’m even thinking we might have the best back 5 we’ve ever had. We’re stronger in the middle than what SBR had but we’re weaker on the wings. Not sure about up front because Shearer was in his twilight years by then.
The club has never been as stable as it has been since we were relegated. Pardew has the most secure job in the league! What instability has he had to deal with??
What has JFK done wrong as DoF? Honestly, i think he hasn’t done anything in the 6 months he’s been here but i guess you’ll blame him anyway.
You have to sell to buy. Man Utd do it. Arsenal do it. Chelsea do it. Spurs do it. Everton do it. The list is endless!
What piece of transfer business has the club screwed up on??
I am shocked! 😯 What has the fact that the other managers wasted money got to do with Pardew? Based on Pardew’s signings I think it’s pretty fair to suggest that if he had been given as much money as the previous managers he’d have spent it much better.
You say Pardew has the best squad since SBR. But the league is so much more competitive now so most other clubs have a better squad than they had then. Ten years ago only Man Utd and Arsenal were likely to win the league. Now there’s Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal and Man City. Add that to the likes of Liverpool and Spurs being very competitive it’s a totally different league. So it’s incomparable!
You ask what instability Pardew has had to deal with? Where do you want me to start? What about selling Andy Carroll? At the time there was uproar. What about the problems with Barton constantly slagging the owner off while still at the club. Or maybe Enrique doing the same? What about the problems with the players and the board over the performance bonuses? Or what about the renaming of the stadium? Or maybe the appointment of a complete joke as a DOF, which led to the resignation of the MD and very nearly led to the resignation of the chief scout. What about the club banning the local media from the club and banning a supporters club from attending meetings? Or the club actually stating that winning a trophy is NOT a priority, and for a sporting club to come out with that statement is just staggering. I am absolutely sure I have missed some.
All the above have led to a poisonous relationship between the club and the fans, which has made Pardews job as difficult as any in the league.
You say and I quote “What has JFK done wrong as DoF? Honestly, i think he hasn’t done anything in the 6 months he’s been here but i guess you’ll blame him anyway.” You’re dam right he hasn’t done anything! That’s the problem!What is he doing?
As for your outrageous claim that Man Utd and Chelsea have to sell players to buy players is frankly astonishing! I think Roman has spent about £1B on players since he’s been there. Do you think they have sold £1B worth of players in that time? As for Man Utd give me a break!
You look a bit silly now…
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Ice
Cheers mate. Sorry I didn’t reply earlier, had to leave straight after sending the comment.
Aussie
Thanks. We’ll be staying with two different people in Perth so hopefully at least one will have it
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KK No-one can ever replace SBR but I think Bellamy was threatened by Rooney joining had a part to play in his sacking. Dyer will have to live with that mistake for the rest of his life. Woodgate getting sold but he was injured, so good business but he wasn’t replaced that sadly cost him his job. Losing Gary Speed was also another blow but the manager always gets the blame.
Newkie totally agree about Souness wasting all Bobby’s hard earned cash. He even tryed blaming Freddy for the terrible signings. I inherited a bad squad of Robson, injuries etc.
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@Stuart79
I don’t think you realise how the club works or how most football clubs work.
You’re thinking seems to be that it’s some kind of football manager game where the manager gets given a transfer budget & decides how much to pay for a player, what salary to offer & which player to bring in!
It doesn’t work like that!!
Pardew manages the players. If he feels there is a weakness in the team, he will inform Carr & Llambias/Kinnear.
Carr will find the player, Lllambias/Kinnaer work on making the transfer happen within a set financial budget.
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@TERRY
Freddie deserves more blame than anyone. He spent money that wasn’t there & played games with SBR.
Mike Ashley is infinitely better than that Freddie.
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Jabba and Fat Freddy ?
It’s a hard one but Freddy had more ambition. Freddy wanted champions league football and a cup. Freddy wasn’t all bad KK I prefer him to Ashley.
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He biggest mistake was sacking Robson and replacing him with Souness.
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