I have nothing against protests. In my life I’ve been in involved with protest marches against Apartheid, marches in support of Gay Rights, Peace marches, Anti-war rallies, Nuclear Disarmament, and many local government issues.
Protests are good; they are cathartic; they get hate, anxiety, frustration, anger out of the system. And they make you feel as if you are doing something, giving voice to an opinion and showing your feelings in a public forum.Many say that protests have no effect, that they are useless, powerless. I disagree. The solidarity of people is an incredible force, and the raised voices of public opinion is a massive noise that those in power cannot easily dismiss.
Make no mistake, a unified protest of ordinary people is a powerful thing.
However, as usual, what may be good in a social sphere may not be good in football. Just as people say that rules of running a large corporation do not apply to the running of a football club, the same applies to protesting.
The reason is that there are separate entities at play. On the one hand, you have the football team, which we all want to win; on the other hand, there are the people we want out of the club. Unfortunately, acting against one rubs off on the other.
The only way that I can see of separating them is by protesting in two different places. The team is most important, and they play inside St Jams’ Park, therefore the lads need support inside the ground.
Any protest against those we want rid of should be outside the ground.
I can’t see how raging against the regime from the stands can fail to rub off on the performance of the team. If the players are on a knife edge due to anxiety in the crowd, there is little chance of them relaxing into a game, and believe me one of the main things thing that coaches call out to young players is ‘relax’ (those faces Pardew pulled for Cabella a couple of weeks back were about the same thing – relax).
I’ve even read some stuff about fans supporting Hull, Bruce, Ben Arfa. In my view, this is not protest; this is hysteria.
Protest is focused (or it should be); hysteria is unfocused emotional excess.
It must never be forgotten that we sing for Newcastle United, but we protest against a regime we dislike.
By Brisvegas
Georgio – then Pardew isn’t a good enough defensive coach, because I know these players are better than they are performing just now. They’ve played better than this for us at the start of last season.
As for Rivière, you have watched him in 6 games without and support or service in to him. Pardew has said that himself.
Sharpy17(Quote)
If Leicester can put 5 past Manure then so can we in theory as I would say we have the slightly better squad and importantly more PL experience too. Doing it in practice is another matter altogether as we WON’T do it with an isolated forward. I wouldn’t mind the defensive set up if it bloody worked.
kIMTOON(Quote)
Stu – I’m not missing the point at all. What I’m saying is that our players are being played in the wrong formation, with a defensive mentality which is holding them back.
A change of philosophy from Pardew or a new manager I believe would see an improvement from this group of players.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Kim – it wouldn’t work because Pardew looks at opponents strengths and tries to stop them. Pearson looked at Man U yesterday and saw their weaknesses and exploited them. He knew he’d concede with the front men they have, but he knew how to exploit their weak defence and as a result out scored them.
That’s the difference in mentality.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Sharpy on both those points I disagree. The defence will never do well with Willo in there. He’s utterly useless. And if what we’re seeing is the results of Pardew’s coaching then we’re fcked. I haven’t added the goals conceded in the last 13 games but it must be mindboggling.
I do understand the viewpoint of a new player being given time, like Riviere but I’ve seen nothing of merit. Absolutley nothing except effort. I’ll be surprised if he scores 3 all season.
Cabella is slowly inching his way into the english game but he’s very very weak. Colback’s a fine passer but someone needs to tell him he can pass forward every now and then.
georgio(Quote)
Sharpy – He’s obviously bothered about the defence and rightly so. We just can’t defend and haven’t been able to do so before Pardew with the same players. Even in the Championship we let teams have plenty of chances. Also when teams know we offer very little threat in attack they will push further forward which puts more pressure on our defence which causes mistakes.
It’s not just black and White
Stuart79(Quote)
Sharpy17@153
my thoughts exactly. he needs to stop being stubborn and change his ways (if he can)
Pullis tried it at Stoke and got the sack 😆
the fact we havent won in donkeys after conceding first tells us we need to score first 🙂 which means not playing defensively…
mark(Quote)
Actually Mark that could show you that we just don’t have enough experienced players in the team. buying Young had its shortfalls and not having enough character is one thing that young players might not have.
Stuart79(Quote)
@Stu.
Apart from a few entertaining games since Pards has been here, we have always stifled the play, contain football at its finest. We showed v Palace and Hull we have the players to push on and try and score first.
mark(Quote)
Buying young is fine and smart IMO. The mistake was/is putting yourself in a position where you have to rely too many such players at once.
MDS(Quote)
Mark – looked who scored against Palace and then look how many goals we conceded.
Stuart79(Quote)
This was our defensive line up for the 11 game unbeaten run in season 2011/12 when we got 5th.
1 13 August 2011 Newcastle United 0 – 0 Arsenal Newcastle upon Tyne
Krul Colo Simmo Raylor Saylor
2 20 August 2011 Sunderland 0 – 1 Newcastle United Sunderland
Krul, Colo, Simmo, Raylor, Saylor
3 28 August 2011 Newcastle United 2 – 1 Fulham Newcastle up Tyne
Krul, Colo Santon Simmo Willo
4 12 September 2011 Queens Park Rangers 0 – 0 Newcastle United London
Krul Colo Simmo Raylor Saylor
5 17 September 2011 Aston Villa 1 – 1 Newcastle United Birmingham
Krul Colo Simmo Raylor Saylor
6 24 September 2011 Newcastle United 3 – 1 Blackburn Rovers Newcastle upon Tyne
Krul Colo Simmo Raylor Saylor
7 1 October 2011 Wolverhampton Wanderers 1 – 2 Newcastle United Wolverhampton
Krul Colo Simmo Raylor Saylor
8 16 October 2011 Newcastle United 2 – 2 Tottenham Hotspur Newcastle upon Tyne
Krul Colo Simmo/Santon 77min Raylor Saylor
9 22 October 2011 Newcastle United 1 – 0 Wigan Athletic Newcastle upon Tyne
Krul Colo Simmo Raylor Saylor
10 31 October 2011 Stoke City 1 – 3 Newcastle United Stoke-on-Trent
Krul Colo Simmo Raylor Saylor
11 5 November 2011 Newcastle United 2 – 1 Everton Newcastle upon Tyne
Colo Simmo Raylor Saylor
As you can see the majority of games were the same back four, maybe we need to reintroduce Raylor and Saylor ( Janmaat seems an able replacement for Debbie/Simmo ). Thoughts lads and lasses ❓
kIMTOON(Quote)
Up to date comments from wor Alan:
“Well I feel much better after that brilliant comeback. My use of a single striker has been vindicated. I will continue it for the rest of the season. It’s the only way I can see us getting that win I’ve promised Mike this season. Sometimes I watch us and get a bit down. Then I think about hurting myself with a pointed stick. But no! I must stay strong for my many admirers. If I’m honest I know I’m the only man for this job.”
Ta Alan.
GeordieTwo(Quote)
Saylor was given a chance last season but was horrible Kimtoon mate. He strutted about like an idiot, was caught out of position and clagged that fella on the back of the heed and was red carded. It doesn’t look to good for him. As for Raylor, he’s been out for a very long time. I think he might get some playing time if we get desperate (which should happen at any moment now). Why doesn’t Pardew stick with Haidara for a run of games? To me Dummett looks poor to average at best and Haidara has far more pace.
GeordieTwo(Quote)
Good to see that some people are still intent to fight despite the collective malaise affecting the majority of our ‘supporters’.
http://sackpardew.com/
Geordie Deb(Quote)
A lot of you are saying we are not revolting. But we are! We are revolting! We have the strength and determination to help Mike make up his very tiny mind. Did you see him sitting there staring at Alan looking very puzzled? Very puzzled is halfway to annoyed. And annoyed is halfway to furious. So we’re one quarter of the way there mates! Keep it up! Huzzah!!!!
GeordieTwo(Quote)
Warning: this posting may contain scenes of violence and horror. Parental discretion advised.
“Kick him in the plums!!!! Fong him!!!! Beat his passion fruit until they are purple and swollen!!!!
GeordieTwo(Quote)
We’re on the highway to Hell!!!
We’re on the highway to Hell!!!
Leicester is better than us. Yes that’s right Leicester!!! Hahahahahahaha (picture Tom Hands laughing in any comedy he’s ever made here).
GeordieTwo(Quote)
Fong him!!! Fong him now I say!!! We can wait no longer!!! He is not going to resign in shame and embarrassment so he must be punished!! I will not rest until he leaves!!!
GeordieTwo(Quote)
G2, maybe it’s a chemistry thing mate where Saylor is concerned. Put him in with the right personal and it may click again. He did very little wrong in them games alongside Colo and Simmo, though I do concede he’s a proper plum like. 😉 As for Raylor he is back in training I understand, so a few ressie matches then start using him as a sub like. We have desperately missed his set pieces imo. Agree on Haidara mate, but think Pards prefers the workhorse of Dummett .
kIMTOON(Quote)
Deb@165, can’t view that link, my anti virus blocked it because it contains Malware 😯
kIMTOON(Quote)
Some good points there Kimtoon. Willo has been horrible lately so what do we have to lose by trying Saylor alongside Colo? If he maintains discipline and plays his position properly he can help us. He also used to be decent on attacking corners. I remember he even scored a few 2 or 3 years back. Something has to change to give us some chance of climbing out of the bottom 3. Pardew had better realize that soon. More of the same will not do the trick.
GeordieTwo(Quote)
Another reason why Ashley won’t be sacking Pardew is because whatever the mans faults (and there are many!) he is apparently very loyal to those who are loyal to him. He will know Pardew has a terribly difficult job and is being hamstrung by the restraints he is placing on him.
Makes sense to me.
Stuart79(Quote)
We have allowed 11 goals in 5 games. Thank God we have a defensive specialist in charge. Hahahahahahaha. Hmm. I had better watch it, I’m getting a bit hysterical. Too much Tom Hanks.
GeordieTwo(Quote)
Kim for you from Sack Pardew.Com…
Firstly, and most importantly, thank you to all the supporters who backed our campaign before and during the match with Hull City yesterday.
Prior to kick-off our group of volunteers distributed more than 20,000 SackPardew.com flyers and over 100 banners, with many people who wanted the latter turned away as we did not have enough to meet demand. The support we received before the game has left us in no doubt that a majority of fans share our view that Alan Pardew is not fit to manage Newcastle United, with the response in our multiple locations almost entirely positive.
We would also like to thank Britannia Banners of Wallsend for their exceptionally hard work, the proprietors of the pubs that allowed us to display and distribute our material, the Newcastle fans at PrintNE for their incredible generosity and the media outlets who have allowed us to shine a spotlight on Pardew’s disgraceful performance since the summer of 2012. We have noticed a sea-change in the tone of discussion about Newcastle United in the media in the two weeks since our website was created, with far more focus on the manager and his record now apparent. As this was our primary aim when we started, we are delighted to have had such an influence in such a short space of time.
Regretfully, the vote of no confidence in the manager was not as visible as we had hoped within the stadium. Despite the club’s prior assertion that non-offensive protest material is allowed into the ground, a vastly increased number of stewards were confiscating banners and flyers on turnstiles and placing them into black bags, many of which were full to bursting by kick off. Stewards were also seen to remove material within the stadium itself. We were nevertheless extremely pleased to see many fans who did manage to get banners and flyers into the ground stand with us and demand change, and we hope these fans will stand with us again soon.
We are also well aware that there are a large number of supporters who do not wish to protest in any form within St. James’ Park. That is their prerogative, however with the team currently bottom of the Premier League and one of only three in the division who have failed to win a single game, we are more certain than ever that Alan Pardew’s continued employment is a serious danger to both the short and long term future of Newcastle United Football Club. Therefore we will not stop until either this employment has been terminated, or until Pardew gives the club a chance to remain in the top flight by offering his resignation. To this end, we will continue undeterred in our efforts, invigorated by the fantastic local, national and international support we have been given to date.
A more comprehensive response to Saturday will be released in due course, after we have made contact with the club, local council and Northumbria Police.
Geordie Deb(Quote)
http://sackpardew.com/articles/feels-like-we-only-go-backwards/
Geordie Deb(Quote)
Deb – That’s a really good read too.
Pardewed indeed
Beardsleys Boots(Quote)
The protests must continue until the Parsnip is eradicated. Pull out the Parsnip!
GeordieTwo(Quote)
I think the term is ‘Uproot the Parsnip’ 😛
Beardsleys Boots(Quote)
Deb, thank you, yep pretty much as I thought. TV and Radio saying the protest didn’t come to much, failed to say Banners and cards were confiscated at turnstiles and heavy handed stewarding taking them away inside the ground. For the regime to say they were allowed then change the rules on the day, says it all. Add to that the fat **** putting the thumbs up to the fans when they were calling for him to sale up and go and it just smacks of a total **** safe in the knowledge he is laughing all the way to the bank while they continue to grace his advertising billboard 👿
kIMTOON(Quote)
The old parsnip has been in the ground too long and needs tossing on the compost heap and left to rot
Beardsleys Boots(Quote)
Three weeks on loan so far at AS Roma and Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa has already tasted Champions League football as a substitute in the 5-1 win over CSKA Moscow, then on Sunday he made his first start in Serie A.
Putting in a polished performance next to Ashley Cole at left-back, Mapou helped his team keep a clean sheet and take all three points with goals from Florenzi and Destro.
The win sees AS Roma take over at the top on goal difference from Juventus, the club who beat Roma to top spot last season.
Restored to his usual centre-back position, Mapou looked a lot more like the captain and defender recruited from then Ligue 1 title winners Montpellier.
Roma have two more Serie A matches this week before travelling over to England for a Champions League clash at Manchester City in eight days time.
How much notice Mapou takes of Newcastle’s match at Stoke twenty four hours before that City clash remains to be seen.
However, second choice right-back in a chaotic Newcastle defence (9 goals conceded in last 3 matches), or potentially playing centre-back in the Champions League against the English Champions…tricky one isn’t it.
http://www.themag.co.uk/the-mag-articles/mapou-yana-mbiwa-starts-win-takes-roma-top-serie/
Beardsleys Boots(Quote)
Its not tricky for Pardew though. Second choice right-back everytime.
Beardsleys Boots(Quote)
BB, it’s enough to make you weep mate.
kIMTOON(Quote)
So JK seen in Cardiff,poor fans if he ends up there
icedog(Quote)
BB, I read an article regarding MYM’s full game at Roma at the weekend in his prefered CB position and it said he played really well, very assured performance. Is this the same MYM Pardew didn’t feel was worthy enough to get into a Newcastle side shipping goals for fun?
Geordie Deb(Quote)
Icedog – oh dear 😯
Geordie Deb(Quote)
Can we please sell Anita in winter and promote Bigirimana and Mehdi Abeid please? Can we see Ameobi getting a little run instead of Gouffran until Aaron’s return??
Cholo A. Sall(Quote)
MYM will play well for Roma, because its easier for him to play in Serie A than in England and because its easier to deliver in a quality team than in average team, its too obvious. And it was not the type of CB we needed after 5th place. We needed more a Shawcross type of CB to play with Coloccini instead of Willo or Saylor. That does not make him a bad player, but NUFC was the wrong move for him as simple as that.
Cholo A. Sall(Quote)
Paul Dummett the new Danny Simpson
Cholo A. Sall(Quote)