What are the three points really worth?

A few weeks back I wrote an article about the choice of a win in our next game and three points or Pardew getting sacked on the back of another loss. The response, dare I say it, leaned a little toward sacrificing the three points if it were to mean we were rid of Pardew.

Will it be all smiles this weekend?
Will it be all smiles this weekend?

Of course it was a hypothetical question and as it turned out, we only sacrificed two points after a draw with Hull…and Pardew remained in charge. The next game was another draw, this time against Swansea and even with the point gained, we still have not moved out of the relegation places on the table. That was a week or two back and as we wait for the return of the season proper, to me, there seems to be a real need growing amongst the fans, the players and Pardew to get a win from our next game. However, I believe our next game is about much more than the three points on offer. This international break has given everyone time to reflect of what has transpired to date and I get the feeling that most fans will now put aside their disdain for Pardew and will be desperately hoping for that first win. I am not suggesting that anyone was hoping that we would lose games, it was just that a few weeks back, things didn’t seem so dire. Also the players really need a boost that only a win can provide. The longer our win-less steak goes on the more pressure will go on the players. To me they are already playing with too much fear and I would dread to see it get any worse. Every on field mistake now seems to draw a exasperated groan from the crowd and the building tension can only have a detrimental effect on the players.
All that being said, I think Alan Pardew really needs the win more than anyone else. When he is down, it reflects in his teams performances. His nervous, try not to lose before we can win approach seems to be his best option this season. It would be nice to see him go all out and attack on the back of a good win but only time will tell if that ever happens.
So it is safe to say the three points would be nice for our position on the league table but I really think a win would be good for the soul of everyone associated with the club. I think everyone needs a pick me up and a win would go a long way to achieving that!

278 thoughts on “What are the three points really worth?

  1. I am not saying that using the straw man argument is all that wor Troy does, he uses the repeat and repeat argument as well to dull your opponent’s senses into submission. He asks the same questions again and again.

    It is not to say he is not occasionally entertaining. But, as I have said, circus clowns and performing seals are entertaining to some.

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  2. Alan Pardew is making use of the blocking techniques now. When asked “how do you think your team performed?” he will say “I don’t want to say too much because I have been accused of having an ego and being arrogant”. Pardew is very good at dodging questions. Sometimes I don’t even think the journalist is totally aware of what Pardew is doing in shifting the emphasis of the subject.

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  3. What Pardew and Troy do is a typical Politician’s trick: Never confront the full subject of the question and instead pick out a small part of the issue, shift the blame, turn it back on the questioner to make them the subject, bring up a connected, but different, argument. I have never been able to understand how people can’t see through this line of (un)reasoning.

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  4. Eric, Troy could be a distant relative or a close friend of Alan Pardew’s and maybe that’s the only reason why he doesn’t like people bad mouthing him ? You got to respect his loyalty mate.

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  5. Troy I think it’s nice of you defending Pardew in these difficult times. Someone’s got to have faith in him and believe he can get the best out the players. I think if by some miracle we win a cup then Pardew should give you his medal. You could then spout but everyone wanted him sacked etc.

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  6. Troy do you think us fan’s are to harsh on Alan ?
    Do you think he could be the next Alan Ferguson in the waiting ?

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  7. Troy said @146:

    “Iโ€™ve defended Pardew for years against the haters, without using Martinez or any other manager to compare.”

    That’s the point. You have tried to defend someone who is shyte. Who is now proving that he fluked the one decent season he has ever had.

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  8. Dear me. ๐Ÿ˜€

    When the cats away the mice will play. ๐Ÿ˜€

    Eric

    You’re right about one thing amongst the countless hours of posting when I’ve been sleeping with your lass. ๐Ÿ˜€

    The straw man argument requires an ignorant audience. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    being repetitive is the nature of the blog. You’ve been like a broken record since you’ve come on a few days ago. Can you imagine if you you stuck it out for years? Haha. ๐Ÿ˜€

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  9. Troy said @160:

    “Youโ€™re right about one thing amongst the countless hours of posting when Iโ€™ve been sleeping with your lass.”

    You can have her. How much do I have to pay you to take her off my hands ๐Ÿ™‚

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  10. Troy man, I have read your stuff for years, I just never had the compunction to get on to talk to you. Yes, compunction ๐Ÿ™‚

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  11. F@CK IT TROY: I will meet you the neet in the Percy Arms. I will be the bald one weighing 16 stone. Wait a minute, isn’t that everybody in the Gallowgate.

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  12. Troy said @163:

    “Eric: Never again! All she did was whinge about you repeating yourself. ;-)”

    I knaa man, better than the one time 30 seconds from Troy.

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  13. Out of interest we do have a good record against them but Pards was never coach in all these games.

    Head to head record (all competitions):

    City: 38
    Draws: 27
    Newcastle: 49

    Last three meetings:

    City 0-0 Newcastle
    Championship
    Saturday 30 January 2010

    Newcastle 1-0 City
    Championship
    Monday 31 August 2009
    Goal: Guthrie 52

    Newcastle 3-1 City
    Premiership
    Saturday 7 February 2004
    Goals: Ameobi 30, Taggart o.g. 37, Jenas 59; Ferdinand 80

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  14. Kim – Pearson has them playing very attacking football.
    They are playing without fear.
    Their defence has let them down with set pieces more than anything else.
    So no worries there then.
    We are conceding an average of 2 goals every game so far this season.
    I think we will struggle unless we take the initiative and score first………
    …….and second ๐Ÿ˜ฏ

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  15. To Kim/Eric or anyone else,

    If Sir Alex Ferguson took over the Scottish national team do you believe he would have a good record?

    It’s the standard of the players causing Pardews bad record over the past 10 months. Just like the Scottish players would mean SAF would equally have a bad record.

    It’s not rocket science. Your inherent hatred for Pards which manifests itself as soon as things go wrong.

    I like to look at the bigger picture and be balanced. ๐Ÿ˜‰

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  16. Tory Boy – He might not win anything, but he would sure having them playing at and beyond their best. Of that I have no doubt.
    This is what you consistently miss about the ‘haters’.
    Most of us believe a better coach or even just a different coach would have the players we have got playing much better football than the utter shyte percy serves up week in week out.
    It’s not that we expect to be winning the league or anything, just putting in better performances than we are seeing at NUFC.
    You blame the players and call them ****. Of course they are not world class or they wouldn’t be here, but only a narrow minded fool would heap all the blame onto them.
    Percy sends them out to play a certain way. But I’m not convinced they even know what it is he actually wants them to do.
    Pardew out

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  17. Troy@170, Poor rational there, SAF and the Jocks, is that your best TROY ๐Ÿ˜‰
    BB is correct they would give everything for him and probably scrape a few wins in extra time ๐Ÿ˜†

    Seriously though Troy, you yourself say he is average to poor so why not bring in fresh blood?, I think you are scared a new guy would have us playing much better and you would look a muppet for defending him. ๐Ÿ˜€

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  18. Troy against the world eh? Perfect situation for new heroes!
    Eric and most others – leave the guy alone. He doesn’t even believe what he’s arguing for. We all want Pardew gone.

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  19. Well the replies continue to make me pity you’s. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Bootsy says it as if I don’t know what his stance is. I do and I’ve repeatedly said a top manager might, I repeat might save us from relegation. Another average manager won’t. The realistic names put forward are all in the same mould as Pards.

    The only hope is, Pards gets Cisse firing like his first season or a new manager, even an average manager gets a few wins in a honeymoon period to see us through to January and Ashley will be forced to spend big.

    The only difference is Bootsy & Kim, I can see the squad are relegation fodder. Neither of you predicted it preseason. I did. ๐Ÿ˜‰

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  20. I hope Bootsy doesn’t tip up to the blog table shortly and spew up another pile of spaghetti words all jumbled up. ๐Ÿ˜€

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  21. Spaghetti letters before I’m corrected by someone who has nothing better to do cos they can’t beat my argument.

    This is getting too easy. I need a more intelligent audience. ๐Ÿ˜€

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  22. An audience with Troy.

    Nufcblog.co.uk where the genial host Troy Stavers takes questions from the audience regarding football matters in particular Newcastle United.

    This extraordinary personality passes on his formidable knowledge and huge bank of expertise to the audience who are chosen from local remedial homes for problem youths, the uneducated school and work drop outs and the old and senile and vulnerable members of our society.

    Troy has a few advisors within the audience who he respects and regards their judgements and views as precious.

    Tune in and be educated. ๐Ÿ˜€

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  23. Troy, well they are certainly relegation fodder under him ๐Ÿ˜‰

    He’d have you believe Mbiwa is crap,and a RB, Tevez and Mascharano are equally hopeless. what’s happened to them three by the way, rolls eyes.

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  24. More comments from Pardew:
    โ€œThis is the type of match I really look forward to. Iโ€™ve got the lads completely prepared. There will be some running about, some real excitement. Occasionally weโ€™ll come across the ball and try to kick it. Then weโ€™ll run around some more. Then Leicester will score and Iโ€™ll frown and write in my notebook. Itโ€™s all very exciting and Iโ€™m really prepared this time.โ€ ๐Ÿ˜ฏ
    Thanks for that Alan.

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  25. And this from Johnny C:
    โ€œWeโ€™re not worried at all by the slow start to the season. We always planned it this way. You know, a slow start followed by a fairly dreadful middle bit, followed by a sort of a swoon beginning in January. Itโ€™s all part of the long term Ashley plan.โ€
    Yes, we can see that Johnny C. But ta anyway.

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  26. Troy said @170:

    “To Kim/Eric or anyone else,
    If Sir Alex Ferguson took over the Scottish national team do you believe he would have a good record?”

    Alex Ferguson broke the Glasgow stranglehold and won the Scottish League with Aberdeen. He then went on to win the European Cup Winner’s Cup with Aber-bloody-deen!

    I think Ferguson would get the best out of our players. He would probably fall out with a few but he would have the defence organised. He would also have us play attacking football not just say that we are always on the front foot like Pardew.

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  27. I don’t hate Pardew. I think he is an arrogant, lying tw@t, but I don’t hate him.

    As for our squad, it is the best ever according to Pardew. Or do we need experience in January? as Pardew said a few weeks later after getting rid of three experienced players.

    I never know what to believe from Pardew. He is the manager and it is not just about appeasing Ashley with what he says. He just comes out with absolute rubbish sometimes.

    Everybody and their brother knew we needed another goalscorer and centre back in the summer (we actually had them – MBiwa and Ben Arfa but that is a different story) and what did Pardew say? He said we were set. And then twang, De Jong knacks his thigh tendon and that’s all she wrote.

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  28. Pardew is incredibly frustrating because he is not consistent. He says one thing and does another. The only thing he is consistent about is belting it to Williamson on the corner of the box at every free kick. Perhaps in the notebook he should write a note to himself – don’t belt it to Williamson.

    Pardew is like a parody of a manager. Like a David Brent. Saying one thing and doing another, being petty, trying to be one of the lads and then stabbing people in the back. That sort of thing breeds a culture of discontent and confusion and it is manifested on the field in Pardew’s teams.

    It is all well and good trying to build a siege mentality like Pardew is trying to do. If you listen to what he is saying they are doing on the training ground they are screaming at the players to work harder, be better, jump higher. Literally screaming at them. If you have a leader like Ferguson who is consistent, that might work. If you have Pardew, who changes like the wind – well, we know the results.

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  29. I just read some of the comments in The Chronicle. If you think I am against Pardew, they would have his balls for windscreen mirror ornaments.

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  30. And there’s more. Troy, I think I am making a reasoned argument for why I don’t like Pardew. You haven’t refuted anything I, or Kimtoon have said.

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  31. This is what Troy said @170. I am re-posting it for comedy purposes. Troy Stavers is talking about the bigger picture and being balanced ๐Ÿ™‚ That is really funny.

    “To Kim/Eric or anyone else,
    If Sir Alex Ferguson took over the Scottish national team do you believe he would have a good record?
    Itโ€™s the standard of the players causing Pardews bad record over the past 10 months. Just like the Scottish players would mean SAF would equally have a bad record.
    Itโ€™s not rocket science. Your inherent hatred for Pards which manifests itself as soon as things go wrong.
    I like to look at the bigger picture and be balanced. ๐Ÿ˜‰ ”

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  32. we’ll be lucky to get a draw on Saturday.

    I fully expect Pardew to start with one up front until we concede then he’ll pull out all of his tactical know-how to get us a draw.

    The bloke hasnt got a clue! I can see Cabella dropped/Pardewed again.

    I’m hoping for a win, we need to survive this league until the fat c**t leaves.
    I see Rangers fans flash-mobs sports direct shop last weekend.. why arent we doing something more vocal?!?! we just bend over and ask for more..

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  33. More comedy gold about Pardew from Troy @55.

    “Weโ€™ve seen throughout his time in charge, he keeps a good team spirit in the long term. I donโ€™t think thereโ€™s any issue about his man management skills. Thatโ€™s probably his best virtue IMO. ;-)”

    I won’t repeat the comments after, people can scroll up and see. What I will say is that it shows Troy has no clue about Pardew.

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  34. Troy Boy: If managers make no difference then why do we all hold Sir Booby Robson in such high esteem? He came in to work with a chancer and a leech – Shepherd – and turned it around. He had no budget in his first year.

    Keegan, for all his flouncing, he did amazing things with a big budget and a small budget, with average players and good players.

    They were inspirational. Pardew, on the other hand, is a purveyor of shyte of the highest order. A man who says one thing and then says the opposite the next minute, week and month. A man who confuses us all, so God knows what he does to the players when he has all day to ply his middle-management speak with them. A snake oil salesman – A Tony Robbins and Jeremy Kyle type charlatan – A bull****ter.

    A man whose results speak volumes and speak for themselves – from London’s East End to the Gallowgate terraces – they scream, this man doesn’t know what he is doing.

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  35. Eric

    When have I ever said managers make no difference?

    Don’t go off on a tangent but answer that simple question.

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  36. Pardew is like an infomercial. Trying to sell ****e to the gullible. But most of us can see through his self serving blather. Well, most of us ๐Ÿ™‚

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  37. You are basically saying every day that Pardew cannot make a difference and that we are crap only because the players are crap.

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  38. Eric

    If I’ve been wasting my time talking to an imbecile then crack on. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    I’ve always maintained I want a top manager cos they can make a difference. But not even a top manager can do anything if they haven’t got decent players.

    Pardew can do a decent job when given the players. He has done for 3 yrs.

    Since January, he hasn’t had the players and therefore can’t.

    It’s not a hard concept but you’re certainly struggling. ๐Ÿ˜‰

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  39. I think that Pardew’s style, his coaching, imbues a sense of fear in the players. When we are on a good run it is fine. When we are down, we often capitulate. The players have an inherent mistrust of him because they see him every day and know he is a chancer and they see his lack of ideas when things go wrong.

    His substitutions and general Pardewness are just a sign of a bad manager. When has a manager’s name become a verb? TO BE PARDEWED? It has an accepted meaning now on Tyneside. If you say someone has been PARDEWED, everybody knows what you mean.

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  40. Troy said @205:

    “If Iโ€™ve been wasting my time talking to an imbecile then crack on. ๐Ÿ˜‰ ”

    Another insult followed by a wink. It’s banter though, right?

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  41. Pardew said he has a squad thats ready to challenge the Champions league, he said Cabella would be brilliant, now dropped ๐Ÿ˜›

    the guy is totally deluded and intoxicated off the **** he talks, either that or he’s a great manager trying to motivate a weak squad into thinking they’re world beaters.. i’d say full of ****.. ๐Ÿ˜›

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  42. Troy said @205:

    “Pardew can do a decent job when given the players. He has done for 3 yrs. Since January, he hasnโ€™t had the players and therefore canโ€™t.”

    He lost one player in January FFS. He did manage to ostracise three others mind you and then loan them out. Bad manager, not bad players.

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  43. Eric

    Of course it was an insult. Just cos I put a wink at the end doesn’t mean it’s not an insult. When someone totally distorts someone’s viewpoint then they need telling they are imbeciles. ๐Ÿ˜‰

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  44. Eric

    im now realising you haven’t been following my viewpoint at all.

    I’ve discussed losing Cabaye and not getting a replacement for Remy, for months on end. Remy getting injured in January was a bigger loss than losing Cabaye IMO.

    If you can’t keep up then I will let you debate with a few others who get confused. It will be funny to watch. ๐Ÿ˜†

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  45. @Big Dave

    It’s like dรฉjร  vu debating with some on here. They just twist others viewpoints and struggle to follow a debate. ๐Ÿ˜‰

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  46. TO BE PARDEWED: played out of position, played in four different positions in the same game, asked to defend when you are probably the biggest talent we have seen since Shearer (Ben Arfa).

    I didn’t see anybody asking Shearer to defend?

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  47. Troy said @213:

    “itโ€™s like dรฉjร  vu debating with some on here.”

    It is because you say the same wrong headed stuff all of the time. It is not only deja vu, it is deja vu all over again. Because you make it that way.

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  48. Big D @216: I have said earlier that I don’t have to have an answer to the problem to be able to identify a problem.

    How about Kate Upton? Something to look at rather than Carver’s ugly mug.

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  49. Eric I never once said you have to have the answer ๐Ÿ˜• I just asked who would be your choice to solve the Pardew problem.
    Maybe i’m wrong but I thought if you wanted Pards replaced you would have a few managers in mind that you thought would be able to solve the problem.

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  50. Big D: I said to Troy Zidane might be inspirational. If you want my absolutely, considered opinion. I would throw a fortune at Juup Heynckes and tell him this will be his last and greatest challenge. I didn’t say it because that would have caused another argument with Troy ๐Ÿ™‚

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  51. More comments from Pardew:

    โ€œIโ€™ve had some real dark days here recently. But, in terms of the energy and work-rate weโ€™re putting in, the stats back up the feeling that I havenโ€™t lost the dressing room.

    โ€œI donโ€™t think Iโ€™ve lost a dressing room before but sometimes you can be slightly misguided because youโ€™re always thinking positively and think people are behind you.

    โ€œBut certainly there have been signs that the players are desperate for a win. They are making mistakes rather than not wanting to win.โ€

    The stats that matter show we 4 points and have a minus 7 goal difference. That we have 1 win in what, 14 games?

    This man is just deluded, on crack or DOING A F@CKING INFOMERCIAL.

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  52. Pardew is a madman. He played Obertan about three times in 18 months and then didn’t take him on the New Zealand preseason tour.

    Now Pardew’s latest patter is that Obertan just needs confidence. This from the man who didn’t play him. Pardew must think we all have very short memories.

    But, according to Troy, Pardew is a good manager. Pardew doesn’t pick Obertan, excludes him from the squad, tries to sell him and now in desperation tries to BIG HIM UP. This is the sort of pathetic psychology that we can all see through. Actions speak louder than words and all of us can see it except Pardew and Troy.

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  53. Talk about repetition.

    Zidane is Eric’s choice.

    Someone who has no first team managerial experience anywhere in the world but Eric believes it could be inspirational.

    A club in the bottom 3 of the premier league.

    A complete gamble is Eric’s choice.

    I could understand if he suggested someone with first team management experience. We all know what happened when Shearer took over. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    If we get beat on Saturday, then an all out attempt to get Moyes would be the sensible thing to do.

    Hopefully, Cisse is bang on form again and he hits the back of the net enough times to get a victory.

    My head tells me though, a defeat is inevitable.

    Zidane ๐Ÿ˜†

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