Walking the dog.

Just taken the dogs for a walk in the lovely morning sunshine and got to thinking about possible outcome at Newcastle and wondering about what Ashley is up to. Bearing in mind that I think he is a rational businessman not some petty thieving antichrist out to make Geordies miserable). Here’s what I came up with.

Out for a walk!
Out for a walk!

Obviously management realise that cheaper players live in continental Europe, therefore they choose a coach like De Boer, Tuchel, etc who has experience with such players and can implement a whole-of-club playing style. They also want somebody who can turn Newcastle into something akin to an Ajax style academy. The relationship with coach and DoF works as planned (ie they decide mutually on the type of player they want.), They bring on youth players, and sell for great profits to finance new purples.

[Now for the bit where everybody groans]

Let’s suppose that Ashley is being very canny. He’s taken a few risks (some worked, some didn’t) but he now has the club stable in the mid-upper half of the table but moving into profit and able to finance itself. The 5year plan has finally come to fruition, a few years later than projected. The coach has kept the desired stability within the required parameters (what some call lack of ambition).

It’s now time to embark on the next 5 year plan – moving to the new level, expansion into new markets, raising the club brand (and SD’s with it). It’s a couple of seasons on from the coach appointment. Almost every team in the PL has a vast debt, but Newcastle are rolling in tv profits.

They are cashed up and almost completely immune to any changes in the world economy. His investment is secure and ready to pounce when the opportunity arises.

This to me seems a reasonably rational scenario. Probably not right (and let me hastily add that I’m neither yaying or naying at it here), but it’s an alternative way of looking at what’s gone on, rather than the blind accusations of greedy, filthy, pig-dog, ambitonless, rip-off asset-stripping piece of shit.

Unfortunately for fans, it’s a more of the same for a few years.. I doubt whether we are factored into the long-term plan.

Just thought I’d share that little thought with you.

By Brisvegas

365 thoughts on “Walking the dog.

  1. Clearly, Sharpy De Boer would be the preferred choice of everyone but I will be astonished if De Boer even gets a phone call.

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  2. Sharpy17 January 27, 2015 at 20:55

    BB –

    Ryan Taylor, Jonas Gutierrez, Sammy Ameobi, Jak Alnwick, Adam Campbell, Remi Streete and Lubo Satka are all out of contract in the summer.

    Not quite right – Satka signed a new ‘long term’ contract back in March (along with Armstrong and Woodman)
    http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/adam-armstrong-lubo-satka-freddie-6872968

    but apart from that I think the other names on the list are correct

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  3. Thanks for that update Chris G.
    I thought it strange the club would let it get to this stage and not have them available to make a profit on. 😛
    That’s the game after all isn’t it 😕

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  4. Chris – thanks for that mate. Satka looks the better defender coming through the ranks to me, so to tie him down to a long contract is good news (or it was last March anyway :lol:).
    So with those 3 signed up, maybe the club are fine with loosing Alnwick, Streete and Campbell.

    Or maybe Ashley is happy for their contracts to run down so Rangers could sign them for nowt … watch this space 😆

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  5. Stu – in one breath you are questioning untested Championship defenders, then in the other breath you are saying an untested coach/manager would clearly be the preferred option.
    Would it be that clear cut though?. McClaren has a wealth of experienced and is one of few English managers to have won a domestic cup in England.

    I’m not sure it is that clean cut personally, and see pros and cons for both, which is why I put the question out there.

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  6. So the club say it would take an exceptional offer to sell Sissoko this window. What’s exceptional? With this lot it’ll be about £15m. Bet they don’t sell him before 31st Jan.

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  7. Stuart – I don’t think he will be sold until the summer personally, even more so if Cisse is away.
    But then again who knows anything with this regime 😕

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  8. Sharpy@224, That’s an interesting question mate. If we go foreign, not just FDB but say Garde or Tuchel for instance then they may be best set for working with the foreign players we buy and have experience of developing them too. On the other hand they have zero experience of the PL apart from Garde who played here. Mcclaren knows the PL well, has also worked within foreign leagues and their players and has won stuff too. I agree if Derby get promoted he may wish to hang around with them, especially if ambition and money are factored into it. out of interest here is Macs win rate
    Eng 50%, Twente 63%, Twente again 48%, Wolfsburg 29%, Boro 38%, Not Forrest 23%, Derby 60%

    Tuchel and Garde are yet to win anything I believe and FDB is at a club in Ajax that was well established anyway so it’s hard to really judge.
    It’s tricky for sure but I really don’t think FDB would entertain coming to Toon .

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  9. If Carver has us playing nice football and gets some good results would people be happy to see him stay in the post?

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  10. Sharpy I would much rather take a chance on FDB than McClaren. Schteve is doing well now with Derby and they were robbed in the playoffs last year but he is way too inconsistent, he was shocking at Forest and plenty of other places so even he would be a gamble and I don’t think he’d take us to the next level. FDB might at least have some fresh ideas that could do just that…

    Kim – Carver will get us a few wins and I’ve no doubt we will play some good football but I defo can’t see it happening regularly, I just can’t see him instilling a new philosohy into the team or club as a whole. If he won games and played attacking football then I’m sure most of us would be happy to see him stay, certainly the club would view it as an easy and cheap option. I’m just not sure he has the bottle to cope with a losing streak, this is a man who fought with one of his players in a public place and also lambasted supporters who were only expressing their opinions….Pardew showed until the end he could go on a death spiral and then recover from it and personally I thought he handled the massive pressure placed upon him (because this is Newcastle) fairly well for someone of his ability. I’m not sure if Carver has the mentality to make a success of it here, but I don’t dislike the bloke so obviously I’m hoping he can prove me wrong and make a success of it.

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  11. Kim @234 … silly question about Carver.. When was the last time you have seen this lot on here happy about anything! :mrgreen:

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  12. Kim – re your question at 234 🙄
    Yes most definitely.
    We are not going to win every match regardless who the manager is, but if JC keeps going the way he has started AND gets a few good wins along the way, then fair do’s to him.
    I dare say if he has us finish anywhere around tenth place, that he will be offered the post permanently in the summer.

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  13. Aussie – I was expecting a fanfare once Pardew left given so many had been cheering for it for years and whilst I disagreed with a lot of the criticism I was actually looking forward to not hearing people moan about Pardew every day of the week – I think we might have had a day if that and everyone is depressed and slagging each other again ffs!

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  14. Cant see anything happening with Cisse now; The only viable option Shanghai was knocked back apparantly. Swansea dont want a striker and Galatasaray are lazily linked with Ba/Cisse in every window

    On Sissoko, PSG cant buy him and Arsenal wont. The Chelsea link was started off on goal.com as a suggested alternative to Cuadrado and has been passed of as transfer link (according the reports) 🙄

    Dont think either will leave in this window

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  15. Newkie you make some good points there.
    But I don’t think we have a cat in hells chance of getting FDB regardless and if Derby get promoted I can see Schteve staying with them.
    We will keep JC unless he has a mare to the end of the season.
    Looking forwards to the Hull match on Saturday, just to see what if anything has changed.
    We could really do with the 3 points from this match, just to settle everyone down.
    But Bruce is no mug and is also desperate for the win.
    Should be an interesting game

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  16. CC – I hope you are right.
    We really cant do with losing either, as I think that would jeopardise our PL status too much.

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  17. BB, I read he’s likely to have Jelavic and Hernandez back fit to play too, this will be much tougher than we think imo.

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  18. Kim, Newkie… I reckon Carver is more than capable of some short term success but I reckon he is not the man for us long term.. I hope he can get the lads up and about and we come home with a few wins and some good performances!

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  19. BB – Cisse winner off the bench on Saturday?

    But then it’s now written that Ashoka will score a winner against us for Palace (and not celebrate)

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  20. CC – Agree, I don’t think Cisse will be going anywhere this Jan, I don’t think Ashley is that much of a gambler. In the summer though it will be a different story and if we can sell him we will.

    BB – I agree, almost no chance of FDB coming here, I was just answering hypothetically I would defo prefer him to Schteve. But as you say, even Schteve would be pretty mad to join us if he gets promoted, he’s earned some good will at Derby and they would probably give him more freedom (And money) in the markets.

    Aussie – Exactly. Just as Pards, Hughton and every manager since Bobby, they are stop gaps who can (sometimes) do a job, none were the right people to take us forward. Let’s hope we buck the trend now…

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  21. I just cant see why Sissoko agitating for a move (Although his words were taken out of context) means a club will automatically slap £20m on the table. Arsenal dont want or need another attacking midfield player. He wanted a centre half and a holding player and hes bought them already. PSG cant buy due to FFP and judging by Blancs comments had he got money for another player it wouldnt be MS anyway. The link to Chelsea is absolutely laughable.

    Newkie

    Also with that knee problem he would almost certainly fail a medical. To be honest if he is on £30k-£40k a week, Its not out of the question they extend it. We gave Colo & Jonas new contracts when they were older and on far bigger wages. Cisses certainly worth another two years on top of his 18 months imho

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  22. Newkie

    I predicted that once the Clueless Crew got their wish and saw the back of Pardew, they would be criticising the new coach within 6 months.

    How wrong could I be? 2 games and they had started

    YCMIU 😳

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  23. Newkie – Don’t you think you’re being a bit harsh on Mclaren? You say he was shocking at Forest and planty other places. Where are these places? He had a bad time at Wolfsburg but nobody has done any good since there and at Forest he was there about half an hour so cant judge him there. He failed with England, but who hasn’t… And of course he kept Boro in the PL, top 10 and won a cup plus his Dutch league win with Twente. Not too shabby really.

    Sharpy – Do you really consider De Boer untested? I think 4 league championships on the trot, while selling your best players and beating some of the best in CL is pretty tested.

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  24. It’s great how Aussie @240 asks the question, when was the last time anyone on here was happy about anything.

    I suggest you change your tune to a more positive one I stead of bringing everyone down to your level.

    YCMIU 😳

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  25. Wow Troy still hasn’t realised that Pardz walked… not the sharpest tool in the shed that fella…. sheesh

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  26. CC – Agree about the Sissoko thing. It’s like when Arsenal were being linked with Cabs, they really didn’t need him (not as much as he needed them apparently) as they already had far better players. Those players have only improved, and whilst Sissoko would bring a different option compared to most of their lot, he is not as capable defensively as to get in their first 11 (as that’s where he’d need to be to get in their 11 imo). Wenger is frugal and wouldn’t spend 20 mil on a bench warmer. Chelsea and PSG nee chance.

    After another strong season from Sissoko I could see possibly Manchester United being interested though…their midfield needs a revamp badly

    Re Cisse – you may be right, but I think with Colo and Jonas we knew we’d get no money for them, but they were solid enough that we didn’t need to go out and buy anyone to replace them. I think if we get the chance to get some money we’ll take it, he’s been in excellent form this season but if a new coach is supposedly going to bring passing, attacking football in then I’m not sure if Cisse will fit that sort of team…

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  27. I’m looking forward to seeing Carver in the hotseat. Nothing better than having a Geordie manager who has passion. I don’t expect anything great. How can he? Working under the same tight constraints as Pards. I would just like to see him hold his own in the Premier league. If he does, then I would expect him to get the job full time.

    I’m not one of these who just wants a Geordie manager, that the media portray. Is there really such a person? But nowt better than see local lads, who have passion for the club, do well and represent us well.

    We’ll see how it pans out. I think he’ll do ok.

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  28. Aussie

    What’s Pards walking got to do with anything? I know the Clueless Crew are using it to desperately to save face.

    They don’t realise, including you, he left because you and the like drive him out. If he was supported and understood his predicament, he wouldn’t have felt the need to walk.

    You certainly aren’t the brightest star in the sky. 😉

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  29. Amazing how the troll can come out with a good comment @ 260 and total and utter tripe @ 255
    YCMIU 👿

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  30. Stu – untested in English football mate. AVB came with a high profile and won trophies at his previous clubs in lesser leagues, but he failed to make any kind of impression.

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  31. Likewise you could say if he was getting a decent wage from fatty and a transfer budget of sorts from fatty, he wouldn’t of walked either.
    Just shut the **** up, as you have only been on 10 mins and already bored everyone to tears.
    “I predict blah blah blah ….clueless crew blah blah blah”
    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
    prick

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  32. Its clearly going to be a gamble bringing in any new manager to work under this regime. This is where JC has an advantage, and if he can prove he can get results over the next 16 games, is well sorted to get the job.
    What he needs now is the full support of the fan base.

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  33. Betsy

    Wow! 😯 Betsy has turmed inti a right diva. 😀 I’ve certainly struck a raw nerve. The truth hurts Betsy. All my predictions are correct. Learn to deal with it. 😉

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  34. If you didn’t realise, there is a match on Saturday v Hull
    How about talking about that, or anything else other than going over the same garbage over and over again.
    Boring Boring Boring
    Troll

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  35. Boots – JC probably needs 4-5 wins from the remaining games – I’d bet that he has identified the Derby and Palace games as 2 must win games.

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  36. Stuart – perhaps it’s easiest to just say I don’t rate the bloke, and don’t particularly like him either? His football doesn’t impress me and I don’t think he has the ideas to take us forward.

    He won a trophy with Boro which was fantastic and yes, the Twente title does look good when people say it was their first ever title win, but they had been in the champions league before Schteve got there I believe, they obviously had a good squad, and Ajax were in a bit of a transitional phase. Still a good achievement, but he failed in his second stint, failed more so than most managers at England (And that’s saying something) failed at Wolfsburg and then spent a load of arab dosh at Forest and couldn’t get it together. He just doesn’t impress me that much, although he’s obviously got more stature than Carver or Pardew, I would rather FDB

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  37. Carver:- “I’m delighted to have got the job until the end of the season.”

    “Everyone knows I love this Club and my goals are simple – to finish as high as we can in the Premier League and get as many points as we can.

    “Everybody on the outside is talking about our season petering away but I am not going to allow that to happen.

    “Those who are saying that don’t know me, don’t know the people around me and don’t know this group of players. We’re much more professional than that.

    “We can’t afford to let the season drift away and I won’t allow it to happen. I’m too demanding and I won’t allow anyone to slacken off between now and the end of May.”

    Carver is happy that his new role will allow him to continue spending plenty of time on the training pitch, just as he did when assistant manager.

    He is also calling on the experience of coaches Steve Stone and Dave Watson, the latter of who has stepped up from looking after the Magpies’ under-18 side, and hopes that the trio’s hard work will soon be rewarded in the shape of Barclays Premier League victories.

    “I love being on the training pitch and the role of the head coach is to be hands-on out here,” said Carver.

    “When you are a manager you have to manage the football club, but the role has changed and it gives me maximum time on the training ground, coaching the players.

    “What I have done is given Steve (Stone) and Dave (Watson) more responsibility because they are very good at what they do, and it is important that you delegate to those who are talented.

    “But when it comes to the meat of the session, it is my responsibility to prepare the team for the final 16 games.

    “The players have been really positive and have responded. Even though we haven’t won a game yet, I think we’ve played some nice stuff in spells. Ultimately though, it is about scoring goals and winning games so that needs to change.

    “We’ve done plenty of work on that on the training pitch and hopefully that little bit of luck we need will fall our way this weekend.”

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  38. Sharpy – you cant compare AVB as he had a better points to game ration then any Spurs manager in the last 15 years so he didn’t exactly fail, he fell victim to a poor chairman.

    De Boer is NOT untested at the highest level, young inexperienced Championship players are!

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  39. NEWKIE – My point all along is that he is the type of calibre manager we will go for because he’s relatively cheap and won’t cause too many problems in the boardroom. We would all want FDB but many other clubs will too and we don’t pay good salaries so it wont be muvh of a contest if other clubs go in for him. Who else will go in for Mclaren…

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  40. Newkie – when you say “I don’t think he has the ideas to take us forward.”
    what are you thinking ?
    Or what are you expecting from any new manager ?
    D you think there is an actual plan/desire to “take us forwards” or just more of the same will do nicely thankyou very much ?

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  41. Stuart – very probably as he is/was a coach first and foremost, he probably would work best if he wasn’t allowed near the purse strings and that would be how Ashley likes it. I agree he is probably the calibre we will go for (though they’ll be foreign) and like you said, many others would want FDB. Obviously though I’m trying to think positive and hope for the best 🙂

    BB – I am expecting very little mate, but if I’m going to discuss potential manager who I’d like then I’m going to talk about those ones. If I talked about who I expect I’d probably say we’ll see how Carver does and then make a snap decision in the summer (no plan). I do think there is a plan to hire a willing coach who will maintain premier league survival, increase player values and cause no fuss in the back room. I don’t think there is a real plan to bring a whole new football philosophy to the club as has happened at Southampton, Lee was just jumping on the bandwagon because he knew people were bored of Pardew and it was an easy way to score points.

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  42. Stu – Tim Sherwood has been the most successful Spurs manager since the PL was started!. AVB was sacked from both Chelsea and Spurs. I’m not suggesting that De Boer would go the same way, simply that, just coz he’s won titles with the best side in that league, doesn’t automatically mean he’ll do well with us.
    He’d be my choice without doubt, I’m just saying he’d come with no guarantees.

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  43. Troy I may not be the brightest star in the sky but I’m still a star. And even though you are not the sharpest tool in the shed you are still a tool! 😆 😆 woo hoo 😛

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  44. Troy@255, That’s not true though is it, we haven’t hired a new manager yet, all they have done is promote JC until the end of the season . Naturally a few fans will be disappointed not seeing a FDB or Garde or whom ever arrive but most fans myself included have said we’ll back JC and the lads. You seem to be confusing the fact no new coach has arrived with backing JC .

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  45. Sharpy@277, You are spot on mate. FDB, Garde, Tuchel et al are all the fashion at the moment but as you say there are no guarantees anyone will crack it here. Given the fact they won’t be allowed to field a strong 11 in the cups they don’t have much scope for success here but personally I would settle for nice footie on a weekly basis .

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  46. Lee RyderVerified account
    ‏@lee_ryder #nufc have frozen season ticket prices for next season and reduced young person’s season ticket prices

    roll up roll up

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  47. Aussie

    That was a good reply. Quite witty. For you. 😀

    Betsy
    I was only reiterating what Newkie had been saying. The subject was already mentioned so I joined in. Sorry if it hit a nerve. The truth often does. 😉

    Good job I didn’t retaliate with abuse like you did with your childish tantrum. 😉

    Regarding the score. It will be a complete shot in the dark as I don’t know how Carver is going to turn out now he’s in charge. I will give him time before I judge him or results, unlike some who have made their minds up already.

    Kim

    I would imagine that providing Carver has a stinker til the end of the season then he will be our full time manager. He’s sitting on an 8 yr contract, 2 years into it.

    Ashley doesn’t do compensation. Have you not learnt anything from my advice over the past 7 years?

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  48. Kim, shame on Ashley and Charnley for trying to rip off unsuspecting Geordies with cheap ticket prices.. and even their children..the horror of it all 😉

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  49. perhaps the renewals haven’t been going quite so well as expected.
    no idea why that would be mind 😕

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  50. Aussie, A nice gesture, but I suspect more about filling up the stadium to help put SD in a good light than doing the fans a favour . It’s like saying we can’t give you a shot at the cups or a reason to hope, but hey it’s cheap 😉

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  51. Kim, there is plenty to rightly **** about but cheap tickets isn’t one.. Anyway plastic protesters like Stuart will still turn up no matter what the cost! 😛

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  52. Sharpy – Sherwood was a Caretaker manager for half a season, not sure you can count him to be honest. If you do that would mean Glen Roeder would be our best points to game ratio manager and I doubt anyone particularly thinks he’s any good.

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  53. Have a I read the Chronicle correctly? We have offered probably our biggest and best young player (Aaron’s) a 6 year contract worth £6k a week!! What decade are NUFC living in? They’re pitiful and will deserve all they get if he leaves this summer.

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  54. “To ensure season ticket holders gain maximum value and to further reward their loyalty, for next season single tickets for the higher category games will be subject to a price increase and will, on occasions, be restricted to members-only sales, meaning there will be no general sale.”

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  55. Kim

    That’s a poor response. He had just took over 7 yrs ago when he sacked fat Sam. He got stung and has never done it since other than being forced to when facing relegation as Shearer refused to work with him.

    There’s no such threat of relegation amd providing his empire is not under threat he’s never done it since.

    Well, apart from being forced to by the tribunal for constructive dismissal.

    I did say, have you not leant anything over the last 7 yrs.

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  56. CC, lets hope so, truth is £6k a week I’d love, anyone would, but todays young footballers earn good money and he’s worth more than £6k for sure in that context.

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