Will Jonas get one final Swansong ?

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I for one hope that Spiderman will get one final game at the Club following the collapse of a move to former club Velez Sarsfield.
Jonas who has overcome testicular cancer, had held talks with Sarsfield chiefs about a switch to the Argentinian club prior to the closure of their transfer window on Sunday.

But the 31-year-old midfielder failed to finalise terms and on Monday was returning back to Newcastle, tweeting a picture of himself on a flight heading from London to Tyneside.

Due to his battle with cancer, the former Argentina international has not played for United since October 2013.

But with his contract due to expire in the summer after 7 yrs, there is now an opportunity for him to make a final farewell appearance for United.
Gutierrez said: “I have played in a World Cup, but if I play again for Newcastle then that will be the best moment of my career.”

After all he has gave his all for our club and had made it clear many times that he would play in any position asked of him just to play for us. I know that his Speed had started to leave him a bit but he still had skill and liked to tackle aswell.
So I for one would love to see him one last time and I think most Fans would like to have the chance to show Jonas how much they thought of him and to thank him for all that he has done for our club.

151 thoughts on “Will Jonas get one final Swansong ?

  1. TROY

    Don’t have anyone in mind really. To be honest, I don’t recall who said what and when on this blog. I just remember the overall trend was for people slagging off Jonas and then that changed when he had cancer and it became another way to (unfairly) have a go at the club.

    I’d like to see a loyal servant get his swansong, even if it’s for a couple of minutes and he only touches the ball once. I think he deserves that.

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  2. TROY

    Because he hasn’t according to the accounts mate. He hasn’t taken a salary. I think he’s in it for bigger profit than a million here or a million there. Why sell a club when the value keeps going up due to TV money increasing? And why take profit out of it when he doesn’t need the money? Better to invest it and increase the value of the club.

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  3. CHOLO

    Not really free…he’ll demand a huge signing on fee, his agents will demand huge fees and he’ll probably demand a huge wage too. If he’s that good then other clubs will pay him £100,000+

    And I don’t see how you can be so sure he’ll continue to be good. People had been raving about some of those other players when they were scoring for fun.

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  4. TDS

    The financials will be very interesting this year as it must show a huge profit, circa £30-£40m.

    I was a critic of Jonas in that his final ball and fi ish in was atrocious. He has always grafted though and one of the few players that most fans appreciated.

    Whenever I’ve heard people criticising him off, it’s generally been reasoned and justifiable, usually for the parts of his game I’ve highlighted.

    I believe the fact he got cancer, naturally makes people more sympathetic towards him. Who knows how long he suffered from it. He may have had it for years before diagnosed and affected him physically.

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  5. TROY

    Agree regarding Jonas’ ability. His final ball was poor so he didn’t get many assists and goals. But sometimes it was important to have more of a grafter on that side of midfield, rather than a flying winger like Ginola. I’ve heard plenty of people saying that he was **** and should be sold, should never play for us again etc. rather than recognising his qualities.

    I’m not an expert in cancer so don’t know how likely it could be that you’re right. I know some spread quicker than others so it’s possible I suppose. But I don’t believe the nasty stories about how the club treated him. If they were true, I think they would have made the mainstream media, not the dodgy hacks that reported the story.

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  6. TROY

    As for profits…I’m not sure if these include the new TV deal or that would be next season? There should still be a decent profit anyway and there should be a bit of money in the bank to spend on players this summer. Now, we just need the right manager to manage those players hey?

    And I don’t think that man is John Carver personally…

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  7. Stu – I’ll go again for you shall I?!. Some people kicked off when the club offered £6k – I was putting perspective on the offer. I still think that trebling his wage after 3 PL apps and 1 goal (don’t know where you’ve got 3 from) isn’t too insulting. But I’ve said that if he has a good remainder of the season then 15-20k would be about right.

    Having read through some of the other posts, I see that what I’m suggesting doesn’t appear so ridiculous to everyone either.

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  8. @TDS

    nothing has changed mate. Jonas is ****e but we have nothing to play for so it would be nice to give him a game given the **** hes been through recently.

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  9. Regarding Aarons, I agree he’s exactly the kind of player we should be keeping, but as for wages, how on earth do we judge that?

    If the coaches who see him day in and day out think he’s the next Sterling, then paying him £30kpw or more isn’t unreasonable, however every club has seen players break through from a youth team, look amazing for a few games but then have injury issues, personal issues or just be worked out and they never really make it.

    I hope Aarons get s good deal because that means the club sees him as being a big thing for our team in future and we could do with a few players like that…

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  10. TDS, I agree with you, if it goes to 100k per week, no thanks. Aarons aint the next Sterling at all, he is 1st Aarons, hopefully better than Sterling and all of those boys

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  11. GASHLEY

    I’m not bothered about giving him a game because of cancer. Loads of NUFC fans have cancer every year and they don’t get to play for a couple of minutes.

    I’d like to see him get a couple of minutes because I think he’s been a good servant to the club, always tried his heart out and I think our fans should have an opportunity to say thanks for the grafting while more talented players went missing…

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  12. CHOLO

    I agree with the 1st Aarons thing mate. I don’t usually like comparing players to other players, but I thought it was useful just to compare wages and achievements etc.

    The problem is, if a CL club would be willing to pay him £100kpw, then they can likely afford the risk that he doesn’t make it. Would be very sad to see another English player sitting on the bench for a CL club though. Not been good for the likes of Rodwell, Sinclair, Adam Johnson etc…

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  13. I just hope the club is good at selling itself to the young players so we don’t lose top young players. I certainly hope they’re better at selling themselves to the top young players than they are at selling themselves to the fans anyway…

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  14. same goes TDS. he’s been great but he has also suffered recently. I think it would be nice for the fans to give him a good send off.

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  15. I see Charnley is telling the supporters to get behind John Carver and said the chants at Palace weren’t helpful. What does he want or expect? The supporters are at the end of their tether with this ambition less regime. Why shouldn’t they let their frustrations out? Personally I think he’s laying the ground for the appointment of Carver full time.

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  16. Sharpy – Why can’t you see that it looks rather strange that you want to give Ings full whack straight having only played half a season in the PL but Aarons has to take less than the going rate until he proves himself? Your argument about Ings having played 100+ games is flawed because he’s only played a hand full in the top league. He could be become a Ricketts or a Jon Stead but you’re prepared to take the risk on giving him big wages, yet not willing to give Aarons the going rate without proving himself.

    Surely, surely you see the disparity between the way you’re treating two players in similar situations?

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  17. Oh and Sharpy – Who on here are you referring to when you say they can’t see the problem with your rationale?

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  18. SHARPY

    Both actually. If Ings is good enough for a CL club then he’ll probably demand £100kpw. If they don’t pay it, then they don’t think he’s good enough to be a likely starter. You can bet that Sturridge is on more than £100kpw and Ings wouldn’t cost a transfer fee. Though there may be some fee involved as he’s under 24.

    No way will we pay £100kpw for either Aarons or Ings. If any other club wants to, then that’s where they’ll go. Money talks…

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  19. Ummmm…Ings is a proven goalscorer in the championship and is having a great season for Burnley so far. He may not end up as a top PL striker, but he’s certainly going to be a decent player either in the PL or championship.

    Aarons has looked really good so far but he’s played far fewer first team games, hasn’t established himself in any league and he could end up playing in League One in 2 years as far as we know. Really hoping he can be a top player for us though.

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  20. stuart79@91, good that Charnley has came out in the papers, sounds as ifhe is living up to his promise of communicating more. at the end of the day the main man at a club like nufc is an emotional task, and if charnley has been brought out of his comfort zone then that will do for me. we’ll perhaps get to see what the bloke is made of instead of hiding behind pardew or ashley. if you can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen…

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  21. Stu – yeah it would be a bit risky, but that’s the position we find ourselves in. We arent a Man City or Chelsea who will go out and spend 30m on a player who has been been doing it consistently for 3 or 4 seasons. He may only have 1 PL under his belt (by the time we signed him in the summer) but that’s 1 season more than what Marv or Benny had before we signed them for 50+k pw.
    He may be a Ricketts or Stead, but then he may also be a Jay Rodrigez (who is a very similar comparison as it happens). What wage would you have offered Remy to stay in the summer? – I think most would have been happy to give him 60+k to stay on, but that would have been after only 1 season in the PL as well.
    My point for Aaron’s is simply that at this time he has made only 3 first team apps. If he gets to 100 first team apps and he has contributed as much to our team as Ings has to Burnley then I’d be more than happy to see him as one of our top earners.
    I’ve been saying for a long time on here that I want us to get rid of high earning dead wood to free up wages to improve the contracts of our better players and allow us to bring in improvements on the first team players who will want good wages.

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  22. flippin heck ivanovich has scored again for chelski away at psg. amazing !
    no cabaye tonight, not even on the bench. is the bloke injured ? or just not good enough gloat gloat 🙂 🙂 😈 😈

    cabaye and carroll, two absolute financial success stories for ashley. the next two will be sissoko and perez….kerching !

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  23. TDS – if any club wants to come in and pay either player 100k then the world has gone mad.
    Just to clarify, the only reason I’m saying 60k for Ings is because that’s what Sociadad are supposedly offering him. I think maybe 40-50k is more accurate – but if his team came to us and said Sociadad have offer 60k but Danny wants to stay in England, would you match it, then I probably would in all honesty.

    I see Ings as a first teamer outside the top 6, but probably a squad player in the top 6 – ie City, Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Lpool & Spurs – but I don’t believe City, Utd, Chelsea or Arsenal would be all that interested – and they would be the CL teams for me. So he wouldn’t be CL for me.

    Aaron’s have played 3 games, so I couldn’t possibly imagine 100k or CL footy for him at this stage – especially based on a 4 month lay off – which must put some clubs off just now.

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  24. SHARPY

    But some CL clubs will stump up £100k to stop a rival from getting a player if they think he’s got the potential of being a CL level player. Look at the likes of SWP, Rodwell, Adam Johnson, Sinclair etc. All players who could have been excellent for England but they sat on the bench…

    Makes me think that football has gone mad sometimes…

    Ings for 60kpw plus whatever we’d have to pay in other fees? Maybe…but for that I reckon we’d compete with the likes of Real Sociedad, Everton, Villa, Sunderland, Spurs, Liverpool.

    I’d certainly rather have him then Ferreyra and Riviere from what we’ve seen so far from them, but Cisse and Perez look similar level.

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  25. TDS – the difference being though mate is that the players you mention all played more than 3 games for there previous clubs before being snapped up for silly money – and as time has told, it wasn’t money well spent.

    I found this article on Raheem Sterlings contract offer the other day:

    https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/paul-parker/rejecting-liverpool-s-contract-offer-could-be-disastrous-for-raheem-sterling-130630306.html

    When you consider how much Sterling has contributed over the last 2 seasons and he’s probably the best young English player at the moment – and Liverpool are offering him 100k – that would suggest to me they wouldn’t see Ings and certainly not Aaron’s as 100k players.

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  26. So Morpeth beat our U21’s 3-1 with Satka and Kemen both in the side. Mmm… Our youth system not looking too good in reality is it and certainly our defence cover looking a little light.

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  27. Sorry Shary we can’t compare Ings to Remy. Remy had a few years and goals in a top division in France and was a French international.

    But you’re still missing the point; You are happy to take the risk on Ings but not Aarons? I just don’t get it, please explain to me why that is? If you offer Ings a four year contract on £60k a week and he’s a flops it would cost the club £12,500,000 and if you took a risk on Aarons and paid him £15k a week for 4 years it would cost the club £3,100,000. Big difference in risk and reward there I’m afraid. That’s why your logic doesn’t make sense.

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  28. TDS – sorry just the last bit. Yeah Ings would be ahead of Riv and Chucky. Cisse is of a similar level but is 29 with ****ed knees and I think Ings would be better at performing the role being asked of Perez at the moment – ie the lone or middle CF. That’s not to say I don’t think Perez has done a great job coz he really has – I just think he’d be better suited in the channel as one of the wide forwards.

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  29. Stu – and as I’ve said plenty of times now, I’m happy to take that risk on Aaron’s (15-20k). As for Ings, yeah it’s a risk but I think it’s a low one based on what I’ve seen of the lad – I don’t expect everyone to agree and I’m not asking anyone to. It’s the type of risk we’ve taken in the past on the likes of Marv and it didn’t work out, but I believe Ings is a better bet and we’d get a better return from Ings than we have from Marv.
    From Ashley’s point of view, Ings would probably have a £7m (ish) compo fee, but if he has 1 or 2 good seasons for us then he would see that potentially double of treble as an investment.
    If it doesn’t work out, then we have an English CF on around 60k a week – in short Ings becomes our new Shola :lol:.

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  30. We don’t have a descent striker at this club that’s the problem. We haven’t replaced Ba or Remy yet. Perez has potential but I wouldn’t say his the finished article just yet. Cisse is 50/50 and sometimes worse than that. Riviere is useless. Chucky is useless. Siem De Jongs alway’s injured and might never get out of the treatment room.

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  31. Stu – finally you understand where I’m coming from you mean, coz I certainly haven’t said anything new for your penny to have finally dropped 😉

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  32. And here are some comments from Lee Charley:
    “I hate Troy Stavers, I absolutely do. I’m not keen on a lot of the other w*ankers on the blog either. Some real pissants there. We’re doing a fabulous job at the club, JC and I. We know what we’re doing. In fact we’re going to be even more mediocre next year and drop out of the League Cup even earlier. Suck on that tossers.”
    Thanks Lee. Lovely stuff.

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  33. And finally from Lee Charnley:
    “If I ever catch Geordie Two in a dark alley I’m going to fong him silly. Then I’m going to stuff a honey badger up his arse for a change. See how he likes that.”
    Well said Lee.

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  34. Mike Ashley does care about the Newcastle fan’s. He enjoys watching the games even if we lose because at the end of the day it’s just a game. He only wants to hire the best people possible without getting ripped off or panic buying what’s wrong with that ? We have been very unlucky in the cups but we have fielded a team that is capable of winning the match. We are in a much stronger position financially and the clubs interest free loan is going down. I understand everybody wants Newcastle to win all the time but you’ve got to enjoy the defeats and loses as well. Instead of going on about the negative’s let’s here something positive for a change.

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  35. I think Ashley is doing a wonderful job at the club and deserves more respect from the fan’s. We could of been another Leeds or Portsmouth but thanks to Ashley we still have a premiership team.

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  36. The bloh h2h championship is looking like a one-horserace now that Solano’s Trumpet have hit a lean streak. But it’s still a hotly contested run in for the very important top 8 spots. Just 10 games to play.

    1 Stripes and no stars 60
    2 Solano’s Trumpet 54
    3 Haven’t Got a Kalou 49
    4 Newbriscastle Roar 46
    5 Inter Yasista 45
    6 Niknak Utd 44
    7 Joshua 42
    8 WHY SO SERIOUS ? 42
    9 Newkie’s Ale Stars 42

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  37. Terry – we still haven’t replaced Shearer mate.
    We will never see his likes again I’m afraid.

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  38. Stuart/MM – I’m loving this ‘communication’ from Lee Chumley Penfold
    “We want to send out a message of support to John, the staff and the team for the 13 games remaining.” “What we have in John is an individual who is doing absolutely everything he can to achieve positive results.”

    “The staff and players have responded very well to John, and the changes he has made on a daily basis.” “He is Newcastle United through and through and we all know how deeply he cares about this club.”

    “I know that from first thing in the morning until the last thing at night he is giving it everything he’s got and driving the staff and players.”

    “He is desperate to get the right results.” “He shares the same aim as we all do – that is to finish as high up the Premier League table as we can possibly finish.”

    “On that basis we felt that some of the chants that were aimed at him at the Crystal Palace game were not helpful or indeed deserved.” “What we would ask is for the final 13 games the supporters get behind John and get behind the team.

    “We acknowledge that what happened at Palace was from a small group of fans, but we would encourage everyone to focus on getting behind John and the staff and team. It will make a real difference.”
    .
    I see the aim is no longer to finish minimum top 10, but rather as high up the table as possible. ie 17th will do
    Also asking the fans to get behind JC for the final 13 games ? wtf
    The same fans that were so badly disrespected at Leicester in the cup earlier.
    I assume he is referring to the ‘are you pardew in disguise’ chant.
    Deary me.
    He will be getting a whole lot worse than that if things don’t improve by the seasons end.
    I think he wants the away fans to be as respectful (silent) as the home fans.
    He will be reducing the away fans ticket allocation next, until he gets what he wants.
    Good luck with that

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  39. Regarding the article – I am very pleased the deal to get rid of Jonas fell through. Fatty will be gutted. I would like to see Jonas play again. He was expert at winning free kicks in the final third of the pitch at least.
    To be fair though, we don’t know how fit he really is. I suspect we will never find out.

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  40. GORDON – ” Instead of going on about the negative’s let’s here something positive for a change.”
    waiting ????????????

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  41. The fact that ‘we are still a premiership club’ is the only positive you have.
    But that is a positive for Mashley alone, not for us.
    Try again

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  42. Here’s one for you Gordon.
    We have got a Geordie head coach “who is doing absolutely everything he can to achieve positive results.”

    “The staff and players have responded very well to John, and the changes he has made on a daily basis.” “He is Newcastle United through and through and we all know how deeply he cares about this club.”

    “I know that from first thing in the morning until the last thing at night he is giving it everything he’s got and driving the staff and players.”

    “He is desperate to get the right results.” “He shares the same aim as we all do – that is to finish as high up the Premier League table as we can possibly finish.”
    Now how much more positive can we get than that. 😕
    HTL

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  43. bb@117, the big issue which charnley and carver haven’t realised is that we are in a relegation battle. we can’t score goals, and have a horrendously mounting injury list, which is stretching an extremely weak squad. our manager pardew has walked out and left the club in the ****, and the owner, in his naivety, has chosen to put his expensive baubles in the hands of an enthusiastic but limited slogger in john carver. jc must be shaking in his boots at the thought of being the second geordie to help take nufc down.
    if charnley thinks the fans are not supporting carver, then he better stay away from games, because if the results go bad over the next three games, then he really will see vitriol. the thing is that lee charnley has had a major hand in this debacle, promoting from within is all well and good, and any loyalty shown commendable. but only when it pays off…

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  44. MM – I don’t consider us to be in a relegation scrap yet, but after the following fixtures we could well find ourselves down amongst the others scrabbling around for points.
    Manc city away
    vila home
    manure home
    Everton away
    Arsenal home
    Filth away
    Cesspool away
    Spuds home
    Realistically I can’t see us getting more than 4 points there
    Unless we pull off one of those freak results like we did against Chelsea.
    But 4 points would probably still be enough to keep us just above the bottom 6
    Then the run in is a lot better,
    Swansea home
    Leicester away
    wet bum home
    QPR away
    Wet spam home final game.
    Can see another 4 points there also, taking us to 40 points and a 14th place finish
    Chumley will be running naked across the pitch in celebration.
    Happy Days

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  45. Bootsy

    Do you not recognise a troll when you see one. 🙄

    Suppose it takes one to know one. 😆

    Thought I would get that in before anyone else 😉

    Dear me. 🙄

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  46. troy@120 yeah Big Dave rescued it from administration. You only have to look at the likes of Birmingham City to see where the blog could have ended up.
    In Big Dave we trust, aided by Newkie, Kimtoon, and the never to be forgotten Aussie Mag Fan..

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  47. well if you cant laugh at yourself when everyone else is, then its a very sad day.
    😉
    It is incredible how brain washed so many still are.

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  48. Gordon NUFC Ashley bought Siem De Jong to give us a fighting chance of champions league football that’s serious ambition. Pardew leaving was a real heartbreaking moment for me the best manager we’ve had since SBR. We’ve just been unlucky with injuries could happen to any team at any time.

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  49. Beardsley Boots heres a few positive’s mate
    1. The renaming of saint james park
    2. Wonga and Puma as sponsors
    3. Improving the training facilities

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  50. It’s sad that Star Dust isn’t on anymore or I LOVE MIKE ASHLEY because everyone else seem all doom and gloom these days.

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  51. Big Dave I type my name in the wrong box first like an idiot but we will be a better team next year believe me.

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  52. @138
    re: point 3
    would that be the big fence Pardung had put around to stop the fans from watching the Lads play darts and table tennis. ❓

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  53. or perhaps that is the imaginary improvements that cost millions, but that actually haven’t happened yet.

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