Newcastle cull begins

Will we find another superhero?
Will we find another superhero?
Lee Charnley and co. have announced the release of 6 Newcastle United players including our last gasp hero Jona Gutierrez, but how will the squad be affected?

The players to go are Remi Streete, Facundo Ferreyra, Adam Campbell, Jack Alnwick, Ryan Taylor and Jonas Gutierrez himself. Meanwhile, Sammy Ameobi has been offered a new deal.

A few years ago Streets and Campbell in particular were slated as future Toon stars, but their development has ground to a halt when they should by now be making an impact on the 1st team squad. With a club so focused on the ‘buy ’em young, develops them and flog ’em’ model – the question has to be asked what’s gone on here then? It’s easy to point the finger at Pardew and Beardsley, but on the flipside the likes of Paul Dummett, Sammy Ameobi, Masadio Haidara, Rolando Aarons and even Mahdi Abeid to an extent have made the breakthrough to contributors to our first team. So then you have to ask is it just a lack of talent, motivation, luck or all of the above that played their part in the demise of these two? Streete has spent a lot of time out injured during his loan at Rangers whilst Campbell has had several loan moves down the years and never seemed to have really pushed on. It could be argued these two were never really 1st team squad players and as such it is neither here, nor there that they have been released. It is noted though that West Brom have offered Campbell a deal, which would see him remain in the Premier League – so what has Tony Pulls seen that our coaches have not?

Facundo Ferreyra was a punt on a possible regular goal scorer. He had a decent record in Argentina and despite not starting many games for Shakthar Donetsk, he still managed 6 goals from 5 starts in his debut season in Ukraine. Then the Russian conflict happened and he refused to return to his club to train due to the safety concerns he and colleagues rightly had. It seems Newcastle decided to take advantage of this and give the guy a go at the PL, ppicking him up for a relatively modest 6 million quid if his loan were to be a success. Our coaches must have had this guy chalked down as a 1st teamer, but for whatever reason it never came off and he spend all season injured or playing for the reserves. End result? We have a space in the squad for a striker and the lad won’t be missed, as we never got a look at him. Hopefully they will chose a bit more carefully when looking at our next striker, as we could really have done with an extra effective front man this season just gone.

In terms of Jack Alnwick, he stepped into the breach this season for his big breakthrough following injuries to 1st choice keepers Tim Krul and Rob Elliott, however in his 6 games in the Premier League this season he conceaded 14 goals. Unfortunately for him, he had possibly the worst defense in the League in front of him, but still the numbers did not look pretty for a lad who brazenly claimed to be the next Joe Hart! With Karl Darlow coming in this summer, we can consider Jack’s position replaced and even upgraded, so all good on that front, no?

Next up is Ryan Taylor. He has possessed stunning free kick ability and treated us fans to some memorable strikes, particularly against the Mackems in 2011. That said, he has suffered some nasty injuries over the last couple of years and during the limited appearances he has made this season he has looked a shadow of his former self. He has even pulled out of tackles, leading to at least one goal conceded by us – which had been unheard of for Taylor. As a result letting him go is the right thing to do and it frees up a space and wages at right back for a new signing. I hope his injuries are behind him and he can see out his last couple of years as a pro footballer at a decent level.

Finally, Jonas Gutierrez. What an up and down time he has had over the years. He was with us during our relegation several moons ago and he knows the pain of relegation. What stood out about him against Man Utd just after he joined was his abundance of energy. He was immense that day. He was always reliable if not spectacular after that, but as he got older many of us commented that his legs had gone and not too many were disappointed when he was shipped off to Norwich on loan. Little did we know his legs were not the problem, but he was seriously ill with testicular cancer. He has made it clear that the club did not support him through this difficult time and he clearly resents our club owner for how he was treated. However, he never stopped believing and was given plenty of support by the Toon Army. The end result is a film script. He fights the illness and beats it, returns to us, gets himself fitter than most of our squad, pulls the black and white shirt back on despite how he had allegedly been treated by the board and saved us from the doomed drop. What an absolute legend. I believe he was worth a year’s contract based on that performance alone, but can understand why the hierarchy may want to move his wages on and bring in the next generation of talent.

All in all, this cull does not seem like a bad thing – so long as suitable, quality replacements come in for Jonas and Ryan – whose character and work ethic will be a big miss in the dressing room.

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295 thoughts on “Newcastle cull begins

  1. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< sees there was handbags between some of the rugby fans inside st james

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  2. The most striking thing about Viera’s potential appointment would be a clear sign of change and intent from the so called Football Board.
    And for that reason, if no other, I for one would welcome it

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  3. Although, that being said, there are still far more ambitious appointments that we could, and should be pursuing

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  4. West Ham approach Klopp for example.
    Well done to them if they have. Being turned down is far less shameful than not even trying

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  5. Viera immediately gets me thinking of Keane…being a strong personality and a champion footballer doesn’t mean success as a coach. I reckon Viera may go to the gunners as an assistant before taking on a top job!

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  6. Aussie.
    Maybe someone has kept an eye on him Coaching the development squad at City and something has impressed. I have no idea what his record is, but I read he lost twice to the mackems

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  7. Shame he blurted that out instead of talking football & googling it later 😆

    Would have been totally behind someone like Remi Garde

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  8. UU, you may well be right but Viera has disaster written all over when it comes to managing the Toon..

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  9. Aussie

    I agree, Admired him as a player but we aren’t in the position to take another punt after the position we found ourselves in just last week.

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  10. Prem , won’t be happy, just read this in Mirror
    West Ham’s board are divided over making a move for Marseille manager Marcelo Bielsa.

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  11. Hitman ,I still think he may be being used as a bargaining tool to get Steve to lower demands.

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  12. Why is that Aussie? There’s got to be something in it – the odds have tumbled from nowhere. He’d be a major attraction to players.

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  13. Kim:
    A distinct possibility.
    Were we always this cynical, or has something in recent history turned us this way I wonder?….

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  14. YOU YEW
    can speak for the rest of the guys but this dude here was always cynical 😆

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  15. Campbell who the club let go on trial at West brom as his contract wasn’t going to be renewed, Was shocked to hear that his contract wasn’t going to be renewed

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  16. Sounds being made that Vuckic, Bigi and Ferguson are being released early. Fergus had a bit of talent, I reckon he’ll make a decent left back but for me they have missed a trick with Vuckic. He still has massive potential imo and he could end up being worth a fair bit at a club that knows how to use him. Reckon letting him go will prove to be a bad decision but ho hum. More spaces in the squad I suppose, but we need good quality replacements. Not bargain bin crap.

    On Vieira, not excited myself. He is an unknown as a manager and I think we need somebody proven. Maybe he’ll probe to be good, but it’s 50/50. They tried that punt on Carver and it backfired. Has Viera produced many 1st teamers for Citeh from the development squad? Even if he has, it’s a completely different job. I’d keep an open mind, but would not be excited or particularly impressed.

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  17. McClaren is sure to get the gig now! But let’s be honest, now the supporters know we’re talking to Viera anything but Viera will disappointment now. Especially if it’s Schteve Mc!

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  18. Very true Stuart – I’d be disappointed about Mac. For Viera to have shot up from nowhere there must be something in it. First hint of excitement since we signed Benny (and before anyone says it – look how that turned out). 🙂

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  19. Perhaps Viera was added to the short list because the list was literally becoming short. Garde took himself off. McClaren supposedly turned us down twice. Carver was an unmitigated disaster. And nobody knows whether we have approached Laudrup or not. We are running out of options.

    I wonder how long it will be before a certain someone says be careful what you wish for, even though Pardew quit.

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  20. Hope that Viera rumour is true. Probably a PR punt to get some more season ticket renewals before they unveil the underwhelming Schteve as close to season ticket deadline day as possible. Cannot trust anything this regime says or does. Viera would be a sign of hope, and that has been in short supply for over 8 years. He might be crap as a manager, we might crash and burn but wouldn’t it be exciting to find out rather than the dull, boring crap we have had to put up with. Can’t see Viera accepting to work with our clueless coaches or even more clueless ‘football board’, but you never know…

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  21. We are supposedly the 20th richest club in the World and we are shopping in the bargain basement for a manager:

    Carver: disaster
    Viera: Untested
    McClaren: Fired by Derby a week ago. Fkin Derby.
    Laudrup: fired by Swansea, last seen picking up his mercenary pay packet in the middle east.
    Garde: Newcastle doesn’t have enough culture for that fancy dan.

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  22. I just thought about it, and here is the sorry list of appointments Ashley has made:

    Kinnear – from the dole queue, out of football for how long?
    Keegan – out of football for 3 years running a kids academy. And had the fire gone out anyway?
    Shearer/Dowie – NUFC legend with no managerial experience with a sidekick Sky Sports ranter who had been a failure in every coaching job.
    Hughton – promoted from head coach as last ditch alternative, surprisingly was relatively successful at NUFC but not so much at Norwich.
    Pardew – rescued from the dole queue.
    Carver – head coach unsuccessfully promoted to manager.

    That list is truly shocking. There are sentimental favourites such as Keegan but he was out of football and Shearer was totally untested and made the disastrous choice of Dowie.

    It looks like we will probably make the same mistake again – get McClaren from the dole queue or Viera from the untried and untested aisle.

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  23. Tripped over and fell into this bar thought might as well try one while here

    As far as getting a ex gunner in i worry a bit I remember T Adams and P. Merson give this manager job a go what a mess they made of it finished Adams altogether,Merson is sitting in a studio pulling every manager to bit,just a thought like or maybe its this J/D

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  24. Viera to Manchester City was a big surprise for me.
    I was sure that Viera would move over to Arsenal and step into Arsene Wengers shoes. Let’s be honest, the bloke isn’t getting any younger and Viera is Arsenal through and through.
    Viera to the toon could be a good move, though would be a big risk, perhaps a risk worth taking. He won’t last long anyway, and will be off to Arsenal when they come calling.
    The toon are a stepping stone after all, for managers and players alike. Look at Pardew moving on to better things….

    Not that I want to be called a negger or owt 🙂 😉

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  25. MM: isn’t that “negger” term from another website – Uncle Ed’s? 🙂 Anyway, we need some sort of spark, so “the board” need to get this sorted out. Remember when they dragged Shearer on for about 6 weeks and then appointed Hughton? It turned out OK but can we please not have a repeat and just get it sorted out.

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  26. MM: and Munich is one of the best cities in the world to be in the summer time so I wouldn’t be too envious of Malta at this time of year. Winter, maybe unless you are into Christmas markets and skiing. Chicago is a great city but is a desert in the middle of the American midwest. You can be in Switzerland, Austria or Italy in a couple of hours. How great is that!!!

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  27. Well call me a negger but im totally against it, I dont get this winner stuff like it guarantees success. Ossie, Kenny, Souness, Gullitt were “winners” but disasters as NUFC manager.

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  28. I think this whole Vieira charade is just another stunt to get more ST’s renewed before the deadline.
    I cant see the regime going down the untested route again after the near disaster that was Carver.
    It’s Schteve McCrapper all the way when Vieira laughs in their faces.
    Or is it faeces

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  29. Vieira is a gamble, a risk but could be successful if he can bring new ideas. If its not him, Prandelli, Ranieri McClaren Jokanovic are all out of contract. But regardless of Vieira coming or not, Riviere Gouffran and Obertan at very least should be gone.

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  30. eric, negger isn’t from any other blog mate, it’s from this blog. as you know this is the happening blog and by far the best crack 😉

    i know munich is a great city mate, i’ve lived here on an off for 15 years. i was wishing icedog a safe trip to malta because he’s heading there soon for a family event.

    the gold coast in oz is the best place i’ve been……. after munich of course 😆 ..but you know how brill munich is 😉

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  31. MM: I was not being down on Malta at all. I hope it didn’t come across that way. It is a pretty sh!tty day in Chicago and I was getting all nostalgic about Munich. I would live there if I could master the language.

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  32. And talking of Uncle Ed. He is almost as anti-Carver as I am, but is now pro-Viera. It shows how limited our choices have become. WE ARE THE 20TH RICHEST CLUB IN THE WORLD. We should have our pick of top managers, not first-timers or those sacked by Derby and Swansea or those with a recent record in the PL of winning 3 out of 20. What are these people playing at?

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  33. eric what do you do mate ? i can translate for you, my hourly rates are quite reasonable. 😆

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  34. cholo, i agree, vukic will go on to become an above average Championship player. I would classify that as a success as far as the toon academy is concerned.

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  35. MM: Financial Planning, but I have to make my money in Chicago and then might find a good beer garden for the summers like the Waldwirtshaft. Munich winters are too much like Chicago winters. Next time I get to Munich I will take you up on the translator offer if you will accept payment in beer.

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  36. Same goes, I dont believe PV will become our new boss. same old ****e to sell tickets. I noticed they’ve extended the deadline..

    SM all the way.

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  37. When KK became manager he has the sense to bring in Arthur Cox as well – someone who had been there and done it before. If Viera comes in, I think he should consider that as well coz there is no senior football figure to go to for advice already at the club.

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  38. Very astute observation Sharpy. I hope to hell that if Viera is appointed he is not stuck with Ugly John.

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  39. Gashley – PV hasn’t came out and denied it though has he mate?. I just can’t see him turn it down if he’s offered. He’s development coach on a rolling contract at the moment so won’t be on huge wages – our offer will be similar to what he’s on now I reckon. He’d have the stability of an 8yr contract with a club who’s ambitious is mid table with the odd cup run – sounds perfect for your first gig I reckon.

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  40. Sykes – god I hope not!!. He might bring Tony Adams or more likely David Platt as they played together at Arsenal and also worked together at City.

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  41. eric, munich winters are not too bad mate, though i believe winters in chicago are quite brutal. my first winter in munich we hit -17°c and me an her from inside of the doors we both in shock. fortunately we haven’t seen anything like since. the again we tend to nick off somewhere nice in the winter, canary islands to escape the cold.

    you can pay me 50/50 beer and dollars, sounds like a good deal eh ? 🙂

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  42. Sharpy: they had Tony Adams as a pundit for the world cup over here in the USA. He is not in the least bit daft and makes a hell of a lot of sense. However, I am not sure if that always translates to being a good coach.

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  43. Nice idea about Vieira but when push comes to shove and they weight up him against McClaren, the cheaper, easier and more conservative choice will win out. I just can’t see Vieira working under the conditions set out too. I’m sure he will walk away after his meeting and say thanks but no thanks anyway.

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  44. Viera would be a gamble, but only for a few seasons until wenger moved upstairs.
    i reckon viera can be classed in the same group as zidane. could be good, could be bad. both risky lmo….. but perhaps better, and without doubt more high profile than mcclaren.

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  45. MM: we had 6 weeks under freezing in Chicago this past Feb and March – coldest since 1875. Luckily, I was in Thailand for 3 weeks of that. Then I was in England for 5 weeks. It was relatively balmy for Newcastle at 14 and 16 degrees celsius when I was there, I even went to the Lake District and didn’t see any rain. IT SEEMS MY LUCK IS CHANGING 🙂

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  46. yesterday i watched a strong wolfsburg including bas dorst and kevin de bruyne easily beat kloppos dortmund…including aubameyang, hummels, gundogan, mickitariyan, reuss and subotic…in the german fa cup final. i can’t help comparing kloppo leaving dortmund with saf leaving manure. tuchel has a massive job of rebuilding dortmund. i wonder if klopp’s career has seen its zenith, and it’s all downhill from here. a high tempo, high pressing dortmund style is so last seasons news. i’m curious to see what klopp can achieve outside of the dortmund bubble. i reckon liverpool or the likes may be too big a job for him…

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  47. Eric – I don’t think Adams is daft at all mate, and Christ could the bloke defend!!. He was one of my favourite players growing up – he was outstanding. I reckon he could improve our shower of ****e defence.

    Stu – McClaren my not be the cheaper option, and the fact he’s knocked us back twice now may make it difficult to sort anything out now. The club may know that the fans see McClaren as a beige manager and want to try something new. Plus they will know that if he works out with us, both Arsenal & City could show interest down the line – and they’ll pay more compo than Palace 😉

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  48. aye sharpy. Vieira hasnt come out to deny it, i thought this earlier.. which is a good sign.

    I still think we’ll sign SM as the safe bet. I’d love us to take the risk on Vieira

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  49. armin veh being looked at by the makkems. canny manager but is brittle as owt and wouldn’t last 5 minutes

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  50. mccalaren has made a bit of a tadger of himself by all accounts. hounded out of english football he went abroad to regain credibility and rebuild his career. he inherited a canny side in holland and won the league. he muffed it somewhat in germany at wolfsburg. now back in england at a big club like derby county with plenty of tradition, a good fan base and the chance to prove himself. muffed it again, and bladdered by the owner. if the fat controller doesn’t take him where next for mcclaren ? the stadium of plight ?

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  51. I don’t think there’s any doubt about the fact Charnley will be talking to Vieira.

    The club have actually backed themselves into a corner now. Everyone knows about Vieira so if he’s not appointed it will back to the negativeness around the club and fans. McClaren will be a complete deflation buster! It will be more of the same and will get the ‘new era’ off to a shocking start.

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  52. Kim – good links. So SJP is Vieras favourite ground – that bodes well anyway. I have to say I’m a little surprised at 91% being in favour of him. I thought a few more may have reservations – there’s ya green light Chanaz, get ya finger oot son 😉

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  53. Terry, Viera at the toon could take us in a completely different direction mate. Interesting choice…he could fail miserably too, but I suppose it shows some intent from Charnley…

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  54. ERIC SYKES 260
    you mean the blog were all the little kids are ussally cussing each other this is the blog the smarter dudes ussally reside at 😆

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