Newcastle cull begins

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Will we find another superhero?
Lee Charnley and co. have announced the release of 6 Newcastle United players including our last gasp hero Jona Gutierrez, but how will the squad be affected?

The players to go are Remi Streete, Facundo Ferreyra, Adam Campbell, Jack Alnwick, Ryan Taylor and Jonas Gutierrez himself. Meanwhile, Sammy Ameobi has been offered a new deal.

A few years ago Streets and Campbell in particular were slated as future Toon stars, but their development has ground to a halt when they should by now be making an impact on the 1st team squad. With a club so focused on the ‘buy ’em young, develops them and flog ’em’ model – the question has to be asked what’s gone on here then? It’s easy to point the finger at Pardew and Beardsley, but on the flipside the likes of Paul Dummett, Sammy Ameobi, Masadio Haidara, Rolando Aarons and even Mahdi Abeid to an extent have made the breakthrough to contributors to our first team. So then you have to ask is it just a lack of talent, motivation, luck or all of the above that played their part in the demise of these two? Streete has spent a lot of time out injured during his loan at Rangers whilst Campbell has had several loan moves down the years and never seemed to have really pushed on. It could be argued these two were never really 1st team squad players and as such it is neither here, nor there that they have been released. It is noted though that West Brom have offered Campbell a deal, which would see him remain in the Premier League – so what has Tony Pulls seen that our coaches have not?

Facundo Ferreyra was a punt on a possible regular goal scorer. He had a decent record in Argentina and despite not starting many games for Shakthar Donetsk, he still managed 6 goals from 5 starts in his debut season in Ukraine. Then the Russian conflict happened and he refused to return to his club to train due to the safety concerns he and colleagues rightly had. It seems Newcastle decided to take advantage of this and give the guy a go at the PL, ppicking him up for a relatively modest 6 million quid if his loan were to be a success. Our coaches must have had this guy chalked down as a 1st teamer, but for whatever reason it never came off and he spend all season injured or playing for the reserves. End result? We have a space in the squad for a striker and the lad won’t be missed, as we never got a look at him. Hopefully they will chose a bit more carefully when looking at our next striker, as we could really have done with an extra effective front man this season just gone.

In terms of Jack Alnwick, he stepped into the breach this season for his big breakthrough following injuries to 1st choice keepers Tim Krul and Rob Elliott, however in his 6 games in the Premier League this season he conceaded 14 goals. Unfortunately for him, he had possibly the worst defense in the League in front of him, but still the numbers did not look pretty for a lad who brazenly claimed to be the next Joe Hart! With Karl Darlow coming in this summer, we can consider Jack’s position replaced and even upgraded, so all good on that front, no?

Next up is Ryan Taylor. He has possessed stunning free kick ability and treated us fans to some memorable strikes, particularly against the Mackems in 2011. That said, he has suffered some nasty injuries over the last couple of years and during the limited appearances he has made this season he has looked a shadow of his former self. He has even pulled out of tackles, leading to at least one goal conceded by us – which had been unheard of for Taylor. As a result letting him go is the right thing to do and it frees up a space and wages at right back for a new signing. I hope his injuries are behind him and he can see out his last couple of years as a pro footballer at a decent level.

Finally, Jonas Gutierrez. What an up and down time he has had over the years. He was with us during our relegation several moons ago and he knows the pain of relegation. What stood out about him against Man Utd just after he joined was his abundance of energy. He was immense that day. He was always reliable if not spectacular after that, but as he got older many of us commented that his legs had gone and not too many were disappointed when he was shipped off to Norwich on loan. Little did we know his legs were not the problem, but he was seriously ill with testicular cancer. He has made it clear that the club did not support him through this difficult time and he clearly resents our club owner for how he was treated. However, he never stopped believing and was given plenty of support by the Toon Army. The end result is a film script. He fights the illness and beats it, returns to us, gets himself fitter than most of our squad, pulls the black and white shirt back on despite how he had allegedly been treated by the board and saved us from the doomed drop. What an absolute legend. I believe he was worth a year’s contract based on that performance alone, but can understand why the hierarchy may want to move his wages on and bring in the next generation of talent.

All in all, this cull does not seem like a bad thing – so long as suitable, quality replacements come in for Jonas and Ryan – whose character and work ethic will be a big miss in the dressing room.

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295 thoughts on “Newcastle cull begins

  1. Dave – I understand that mate, I do wonder how well he’s been coached though. I would love us to hire someone like Ginola to work with our widemen. Aarons looks to have potential but we haven’t had any decent wide players for some time now & I don’t think there is any coach at the club that specialises in that position.

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  2. For me, if we can get some stability and have a couple of seasons 8-10th with good cup runs, then I could live with that like.

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  3. Now I’ve been hoping for something outside the box but Viera for ****s sake, Of all the times to go for a novice this isn’t it

    McClaren is at least a safe if not particularly inspiring appointment

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  4. BIG DAVE
    would not mind beting he won a lot of there motm awards this season as for there player of the season its a 1 horse race in my opion bolasie

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  5. @SkySports_Keith: BREAKING: We understand Patrick Vieira will hold talks with @NUFC early next week over their Head Coach vacancy. More on @SkySportsNewsHQ

    Quite unbelievable!

    Thoughts?

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  6. I dunno, it might just work, give him a short term contract though so he can be gotten rid of in jan if it goes **** up. πŸ˜†

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  7. If Viera happens, I think it will be excting but also I’m not sure he’s the man. No experience

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  8. dudes got no manager experiece but would be willing to give him a go ahead of carver

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  9. If it happens, fair play to the board for their out of the box thinking but also I’m not sure it will happen once he knows what salary is on offer.

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  10. he dos have some pluses i can think of speaks both english and french,the players would prob respect him more than carver and if ya main shoping centres ganna be france he is a big french name in footie terms,so maybe they ganna use him to get some better frenchies over here

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  11. It really could go either way. It could be genius, or it could be disastrous.
    He’s played for and worked with some of the best managers in the world. He was part of the unbeatable at Arsenal and is certainly a name that would attract players to the club. He’s also doing well with the City U21s from what I’ve read. But that isn’t PL level at all, and being a great player doesn’t guarantee a great manager/coach.
    If he comes in with the Wenger mentality and tries to implement that, then I think that could be very interesting.

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  12. Well if we do hire him and he manages as well as he played, I will be more than happy. Big ifs though, most likely Steve will get it.

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  13. Stuart: do you know what “thinking outside of the box” refers to? It is the most overused term in the last 20 years and refers to a matchstick puzzle.

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  14. if it turned to war between the benchs hes got a great honk kong fu kick πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜†

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  15. mind 1 or 2 in the seats behind the dugout might of had to watch there ps and qs πŸ™„

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  16. on reflection i best rule out cantona im having vision of him now jumping into the crowd sizes 9s first πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜†

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  17. Of we appoint Viera I will be bowled over by their audacity and effort but it’s a risk. He will attract players though, that’s for sure.

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  18. STUART79
    i agree it brings a little risk but not as risky as puting carver in charge in my opion

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  19. Stu – he’s out of contract with City as he’s on a rolling 1 year deal. But watching SSN there it’s saying he hasn’t yet got all his badges to coach at PL level yet – so defo risky.
    Ironically Viera played in the Arsenal side with Remi Garde who was front runner at one stage – so maybe Ashley has a liking for that Arsenal side. It would be great if he brought Tony Adams in as defensive coach too like!.

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  20. even if we have to pay collo taylor and williamson off,they cant be there next season or we highly likey to go down

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  21. williamson should of gone in jan in my opion was pretty clear he wernt dealing with them high balls in the box like he done the season before,but accoarding to mr big brain carver we did not need a defender,well we all saw how that panned out

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  22. keegan also had no manager experience when he took charge and that worked out preety well

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  23. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< so would be willing to give him a crack at it meself,im not claiming he keegan mind just useing that as an example

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  24. The huge knock on Vieira is obviously the lack of managerial experience. But guy was one of the most technically able players I’ve ever seen with experience managibg one of the best youth setups in the world. On top of that, the man knows what it takes to win (3 prem titles, 5 FA cups, 4 Serie A titles, a Euros, a WC, etc.). Plus, as stated above, loads of players would want to play for him.

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  25. TAE: saying Keegan had no managerial experience is not saying anything. I have no managerial experience and you wouldn’t appoint me. However, ABC (Anybody But Carver).

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  26. Sorry Stuart and Sharpy: I live in America and my accent is now a little bit Yank so I shouldn’t be taking shots at anybody. What gets on my nerves though is the needless Yankification of the English language. It creeps into general speech and we don’t know we are doing it sometimes.

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  27. @179
    ” But watching SSN there it’s saying he hasn’t yet got all his badges to coach at PL level yet – so defo risky”

    That’s right – it was reported in April that he wasn’t due to complete his UEFA Pro License until the summer, so as things stand he’d only be able to act in a caretaker capacity (maximum 12 weeks).
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3036812/Patrick-Vieira-set-complete-coaching-badges-summer-ready-replace-Manuel-Pellegrini-Manchester-City.html

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  28. Stuart79
    May 30, 2015 at 09:48

    Sharpy – Some people make the 25 man excuse for us not signing the amount of players we want. Well we are 6 down now so that’s 6 free spaces already. Not even got to the likes of Fergie, Vuckic or Bigi.

    That’s my nomination for stupidest comment of the day.

    Firstly, 3 out of those 6 players (Alnwick, Streete and Cambell) qualified as under 21 this season and weren’t named in the squad, so their departure wouldn’t free up any spaces.

    Secondly, in spite of those other 3 players leaving (Raylor, Jonas and Ferreyra) we STILL have more over-age players than we could fit into the 25 man squad next season. It isn’t an excuse, it’s a reality.

    This is the current list of players still on our books who were aged 21 or over on 1st January this year:

    12 home grown
    Ameobi, Bigirimana, Colback, Darlow, Dummett, Elliot, Ferguson, Krul, Lascelles, S Taylor, Vuckic, Williamson

    16 non home grown (maximum 17 allowed)
    Abeid, Anita, Cabella, Cisse, Coloccini, De Jong, Good, Gouffran, Haidara, Janmaat, Marveaux, Obertan, Perez, Riviere, Sissoko, Tiote

    That’s a total of 28, so we’ve still got at least 3 players too many. What part of that can’t you understand?

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  29. so there is a bigger cull still to come if we are to see any improvement.
    Ferguson, Bigirimana, Vukic, S Taylor and Williamson from the home grown list should all be looking over their shoulders.
    Add to that players who may want away
    Krul, Tiote, Colo, Marveaux, Obertan, Goufran,
    And those who could be sold whether they like it or not
    Janmaat
    And there is still a long way to go this summer.

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  30. so talk of player recruitment should be put on the back burner until space is made by player sales.
    But what happens if nobody wants to buy any of our current dross ??

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  31. If it were a choice between McLaren and Viera I’d go for Viera.

    Every appointment and transfer is a risk. It’d be refreshing if this lot took a left field punt and went to first base on the rebuilding programme – oops, program. You never know, they might hit a home run. I get a bit sick of them constantly striking out with their decisions. Far too many fumbles. They really need to get a touchdown somewhere along the line.

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  32. ERIC SYKES
    would also think keegan would have a lot greater football iq than you no offence bud

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  33. ERIC SYKES
    would your name have the same pulling power that keegan had ? πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜†

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  34. So, it is Champions League Final and then nowt for us for 2 months. Huddersfield, Hartlepool and Hereford to look forward to in the pre-season.

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  35. no i dont think i did bud,this would be a brave bold and maybe imspired appointment for us

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  36. I would be far more excited to have Viera in charge than McLaren.

    You know what to expect with McLaren and I’m sure he would do a steady job but there would be no excitement.

    Viera would bring the unknown as a manager. He was a great player and leader on the pitch. As long as Ashley released the purse strings then I’m sure it would negate any risks of relegation and an opportunity to get a prospect of managerial quality before anyone else pounces.

    Mind, this is only if we have the choice between McLaren and and Viera.

    There are far more managers I would put my hat on above those two.

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  37. Talk in the papers this morning that Everton are in for Jonny Evans for Β£5m :shock:. I didn’t think he’d be available and certainly not for as little as that!. We should defo go after Evans IMO.

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  38. SHARPY17
    would swerve him meself bud but ive still got a grudge against him for geting cisse sent off and if we went down would of been holding mr spit the dog personally responsable πŸ˜†

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  39. TAE – I’m pretty sure it was Cisse that got himself sent off mate. He didn’t have to spit – even if Evans did or didn’t. Had he slapped him round the chops he would have only got a 3 match ban.

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  40. SHARPY17
    sees it different over here bud if he had not spat at cisse in the 1st place would never of happened and he spat right at cisse

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  41. TAE – Cisse was provoked, no doubt. But he had a choice, and he chose to spit back at Evans. Had he not, he wouldn’t have been banned. If he had to react, then slap him round the chops and get a 3 match.
    Whether there was intent or not, Evans spit did not land on Cisse, so I can understand him being angry, but not a blind rage

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  42. <<<<<<<<<<<<<< is also of the opion he called cisse something but im not ganna say what i think he called him on the blog for fear of offending people

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  43. TAE – based on what?. There has never been any suggestion of that at all, and bare in mind the suspension was retrospective so the whole incident was reviewed and there was no suggestion of racism or offensive comments.

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  44. I don’t see how you could rule out a very good and vastly experienced PL CB based on a very minor incident. I could understand if it was Nigel de Jong or Callum McManaman because of a career ending challenge – but this was handbags at dawn stuff.

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  45. I’d also choose viera over SM. Totally unknown but SM is known to be average so its Viera for me πŸ˜€

    Although I would have chosen Laudrup over both SM, Viera

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  46. Gashley – could be the next name across the front of our shirts mate πŸ˜‰

    TAE – the incident was reviewed on video mate, not just photos and nothing came out to suggest that. Cisse is accusing him of spitting on him and Evans was denying it. It was a nothing incident – certainly not enough to rule out going for a player we’re desperately in need of mate.

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  47. Lol sharpy. You know that’s a certainty.
    Stadium will be full of cheap boards. Obviously only until the club find a suitable company wishing to advertise πŸ˜€

    Tbh, if he spends a % of our profits, I could give a toss about his posters

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  48. So what if Evans spat or didn’t. If he was decent that wouldn’t stop me supporting him. Have u seen shearer smash Lennon in the face or read j Barton’s criminal history πŸ™‚

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  49. TAE – you can’t just assume with something as serious as that man. Cisse didn’t come out after the game and say Evans was racist or anything like that – Infact he issued an apology. So maybe his reaction was to deflect the fact he was in the wrong.

    Gashley – he’s head an shoulder better than what we currently have mate. I’d take him in a heart beat.

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