Carver and Stone binned

These two oversaw a record 8 losses in a row
These two oversaw a record 8 losses in a row
Reports are being circulated amongst many respected news outlets this afternoon that Steve Stone and John Carver have been relieved of any responsibilities at Newcastle United. It is anticipated by the same outlets that Steve McLaren will be hired as our new manager/coach in the coming days. These sackings may just kick start a new era for our club.

So why is this news so significant? Well, for a long time now we have have had serious problems all over the pitch. From basic defensive positioning mistakes, set pieces being woeful at the back and when attacking, the team’s inability to string several passes together and keep the ball moving on the floor, lack of creativity moving forward and development players not making the step up. We fans have speculated for just as long when it comes to the source of these problems. Were Carr’s signings not up to scratch? Was Pardew a useless manager? Has the club’s hierarchy interfered too much with the playing side of things? Was it the coaches themselves?

Look in more detail and it can be strongly argued that the latter suggestion is the biggest indicator for our multiple and basic failures. We all know players on the Continent usually come with far greater technical skill than those brought up within the British schools of excellence. Holland, Spain and France are all known for producing players with sound passing movement and far less reliance on long ball than here in the UK. Bearing in mind that most of our purchases in recent years have been imported from these Countries, why is it that we still revert to ‘punt-and-hope’ so often and do not seem to understand the concept of ‘play it out from the back’? Is Carr really picking up duff after duff or is there more to it?

Maybe it was all Pardew. He had good technical players at his disposal, many of which were earning very positive reviews abroad before their arrival on the banks of the Tyne. He was the man running the show after all. It has to be said that he has to take some responsibility. He has the final say on how our side should be set out to play. However, his Palace side are a different animal since he joined them – employing far superior wing play and attacking zest than we have seen at this club for a long time. Maybe a workman really is only as good as his tools? Although many felt we were not meeting our full potential under his stewardship, he still had us comfortably in mid table when he left. That said, it is noted that Stone and Carver were hired after Pardew’s arrival at the club. If they were his men, then there is responsibility to be taken there.

So has the board interfered too much? Mike Ashley more or less admitted as much before our survival Sunday cash against West Ham. A policy of not competing in the Cups and not pushing for the Europa League is not going to motivate your players to push themselves to be the best that they can be. When you consider another policy has been to buy them young and talented before flogging them for profit, it is hardly a surprise that they will see the club as a shop window and not much else when they have nothing to aim for in terms of glory or silverware during their stay with us. Indeed, the board must take a big share of the blame – more than Pardew, who was operating with his hands tied behind his back. Add to the fact that the board chose to tie so many staff members to 8-year contracts and you can see how Pardew will have been powerless to remove any of the coaches if he recognised that they were not up to it after all. We do not know that Pardew ever recognised this or not, but if he had – what could he have really done about it?

Finally that leaves the coaches. Is it any coincidence that following Pardew’s departure the team’s form markedly nosedived? Carver may have been performing a different role as head coach, but the same coaches remained at the club with the same staff, yet results and performances were even worse than before. The same basic mistakes being made, but more often. John Carver has resided over the defensive and attacking set up at different points in the last few years and neither has looked particular impressive during those times. How can it be that such technical players turn into headless, indecisive chickens? The answer is simple. They are having the wrong messages drilled into them on the training pitch and that has led to incohesiveness on match days. Carver taking a step up has confirmed that he and other coaches have played a huge part in the dour football that we have subjected to for such a long time.

Their sacking is far more important that our next managerial appointment. The new manager will still have strict parameters to work to at this club. He will still have to use Carr’s men, but it looks like he will have the opportunity to bring in his own ‘tools’. Our set pieces in particular have been consistently amongst the worst in the league for a long time and it is hard to see how any new coaches could possibly have our side playing that badly. If McLaren does come in, we can expect coaches with more technical know how and a different playing style from the team. We should not expect miracles, but new coaches and new policies in terms of going for Cups should in theory breathe a new lease of life into the club and invigorate our players.

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424 thoughts on “Carver and Stone binned

  1. Reading the transfer news this morning makes me laugh as well like. Cabaye keen on a return to the PL – to Palace.
    Also Remy is keen to speak with WH.
    Both left us to play CL football – that aspiration didn’t last long did it?!

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  2. Sharpy talking of done deals I think Black is a done deal as he has left the R’s and people were thanking him for what he had done with them and wishing him well for the future, with some naming us, and he thanked them .

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  3. I’m expecting more development squad players of the Perez type, than actual genuine purple ones.
    There’s more potential revenue to be made from them.

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  4. Dave – Black should be an easy one to sort out then mate. He’s key in my opinion when we talk about leaders, and the right people in the dressing room, this fella is class.

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  5. The Perez experiment has worked out better than expected. But I wonder what hope we have for Armstrong.
    The lad needs to play more matches at a higher level.

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  6. Boots the big problem with that is how many development players with lots of potential have we brought in over the last few years, but how many have showed the potential and became a 1st teamer ? .
    For me we need proper 1st teamers this time round as we’re not strong enough to give the development players their chance.

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  7. If – and a big IF – they do get Austin ‘over the line’, it’s a proper signing, rignt type of player, right age, right fit and, with all respect to QPR, taking a hungry player a step up, like Sir Les coming here from there. Golden rule used to be,I think, never, ever take a player on the way down from a big club (anyone remember John Bailey, Kenny Sansom, Rush, Barnes for the Toon?) I was jokinlg suggesting that signing Richards and Austin would make a few happy, but Richards was a great young player who hasn’t been seen since and if he goes to Villa it can only be about the money (and Vlarr heading to Old Trafford). Barge pole – don’t touch.

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  8. Sharpy yeah I said all along that we needed someone like him, as our backroom staff has been threadbare from BSA went. And from what I have read about him from people he has worked with he is very very well thought of with some even saying he was like a dad to them.

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  9. Can’t see the goals against record improving if we sign up the players were allegedly in talks over:

    —Ince—Austin—Dost–Juanmi—

    Back to the Matthews, Miburn, Lofthouse & Finney days of a front four and two half backs….

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  10. Dave – I was fortunate to spend quite alot of time at Kingston Park when Jonny Wilkinson was with the Falcons and Blackie was there working with him. He has a real presence about him & you could see that Jonny had huge respect for the bloke.

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  11. Remembering the good old days and improve the forward line and just score more than the opposition!!

    Agree though, need 2 good centre halfs and cover and both full back positions as well to push on

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  12. CC – I think Ince could be a good signing personally. Him one side, Aarons or Perez the other side with Austin & Berahino up front

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  13. He’s got a year left on his contract and we know QPR need the money, It seems a fair enough offer. £15m is optimistic

    They will probably compromise and settle about £12m

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  14. Kim – I’ve got no issues with them negotiating the fee like. We’ve got numerous signings to make this summer so every mil counts – providing it doesn’t jeopardise the deal, and it doesn’t look like it will on this occasion. The main thing for me is that Austin wants to come, the rest is just business.

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  15. Boots – Fernandez can demand £15m, but they are in financial difficulties & face a fine of around £30m I believe. I see it being settled on around £12m

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  16. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< this dude thinks 11 million if they do the deal but i think he will end up at southampton meself
    😯

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  17. our top brass fanny about to much when we buying players thats for sure so they need to get there butts in gear, and get the deal signed asap

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  18. <<<<<<<<<<<< has visions of fatboy in the office baseball bat in hand, protecting that extra box of crisps with his life 😆 😆 😆

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  19. http://news.bwin.com/en/uncategorized/mcclaren-missing-the-point-newcastle-striker-transfer-links-out-in-force,77325.html

    Shite like this is why I get so frustrated trying to read NUFC related news and why I take many things posted on here with a pinch of salt.

    Our new manager accused of being “obsessed” and having a “one dimensional take” on things when the writer is 100% relying on media speculation, i.e. doesn’t having a damn clue what he’s talking about.

    I will add this to the hidden publications on NewsNow…alongside the constantly negative Mag, the full of ****e talkSport and others.

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  20. TDS – what’s funny about that article though mate is that over 70% of the voters disagree 😆
    To be fair, they have a point. But I’d sooner get the business quickly for CFs as they are the ones that cost more – particularly as the window draws to a close.
    I disagree about a central creative player though. I’d like to see some exciting wide players come in. I think Colback & Sissoko will do their bit in the middle, but we defo need to strengthen at CB

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  21. TDS – I agree with you there fella.
    Where has he said all he is interested in is strikers ?
    Most of the rumours are just that, rumours without substance.
    It has been obvious our defence is shyte for years. I’m sure Schteve can see that for himself too.
    But I still think we need to sell a few before we can replace them.
    Willo going to Leeds will be a good start

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  22. Boots – yes mate cover at RB is defo needed. If Leeds are willing to pay £1.5m for Willo I would look to do a deal with them for Sam Byram. Give them Willo & £2m for Byram. They get their CB & money to replace Byram and we get rid of a donkey and bring in a talented young English full back.

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  23. we have no creative player in the middle. if we dont get one we will be as predictable as normal.

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  24. ——————- Krul ——————
    Janmaat – Matip – Colo – Dummett
    —————- Colback —————-
    — Sissoko — De Jong — Perez —
    ——— Austin — Berahino ———

    Backed up by:

    ——————- Darlow —————-
    Byram – Lascelles – Saylor – Haidara
    ——————– Tiote ——————
    —– Ince — Van Ginkel – Aarons —–
    ———- Cisse —- Armstrong ———

    Austin – £10-15m
    Berahino – £10-15m
    Matip – £10m
    Byram – £2m
    Ince – £5m
    Van Ginkel – loan

    There’s neck end of £50m spent.

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  25. Boots – De Jong isn’t a midfielder, Anita, Colback and Sissoko aren’t creative midfielders either by trade. We have missed Cabaye and his passing ability in my opinion.

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  26. Austin news looks promising. QPR can’t just sell to the highest- Austin has leverage with only a year left on his deal. If he wants to come to us, he will. Probably at so where between the 10 lM and 15M.

    Berahino seems a bridge to far for me but I wouldn’t complain. I imagine that would be Cisse gone the which would bother me.

    Not sure we’ll see two CBs in as I expect Collo will stick around another year. New CB-Collo-Staylor-Dummett-Lascelles isn’t a CB grouping to dream on but it’s certainly better than last year.

    Ince would be a good signing at around 4M I reckon. That would make for a good set of wingers in him, Aarons, possibly Sammy and guys like Cabella, Sissoko and Aarons who have played there.

    I’d put Arma out on loan.

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  27. Arma definitely needs a Championship loan next season, Sharpy – being a bit part ‘desperation sub’ for us this season does neither him nor the first team any favours,

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  28. MDS – Do you really believe swapping Lascelles for Williamson will make us a better defensive unit? I think we need two new centre halves to improve as I have no faith in Taylor and Colo is getting worse and worse and I think he will become more of a liability next season.

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  29. Peter Lovenkrands ‏@lovenkrands11 · 20h20 hours ago
    Hope #Nufc goes for @NathanRedmond22 I played with him at #bcfc and trust me he is good, REALLY good! SO much potential! #AssistKing

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  30. Stu that’s not what I said. I said

    New CB-Collo-Staylor-Dummett-Lascelles is better than Collo-Willo-Staylor-Dummett.

    How is that even debatable?

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  31. I was only asking you a question, MDS…

    Anyway, I’m sure the Austin deal isn’t done as I doubt very much we have even spent the money of a phone call to his agent or the club yet. We’ll be waiting for the big guys to do their work first.

    I’m still quite doubtful as to whether we will get him to be honest as he’s one of Englands up and coming strikers and they’re like gold dust. Can’t believe the likes of Spurs won’t be in for him.

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