So why is this news so significant? Well, for a long time now we have have had serious problems all over the pitch. From basic defensive positioning mistakes, set pieces being woeful at the back and when attacking, the team’s inability to string several passes together and keep the ball moving on the floor, lack of creativity moving forward and development players not making the step up. We fans have speculated for just as long when it comes to the source of these problems. Were Carr’s signings not up to scratch? Was Pardew a useless manager? Has the club’s hierarchy interfered too much with the playing side of things? Was it the coaches themselves?
Look in more detail and it can be strongly argued that the latter suggestion is the biggest indicator for our multiple and basic failures. We all know players on the Continent usually come with far greater technical skill than those brought up within the British schools of excellence. Holland, Spain and France are all known for producing players with sound passing movement and far less reliance on long ball than here in the UK. Bearing in mind that most of our purchases in recent years have been imported from these Countries, why is it that we still revert to ‘punt-and-hope’ so often and do not seem to understand the concept of ‘play it out from the back’? Is Carr really picking up duff after duff or is there more to it?
Maybe it was all Pardew. He had good technical players at his disposal, many of which were earning very positive reviews abroad before their arrival on the banks of the Tyne. He was the man running the show after all. It has to be said that he has to take some responsibility. He has the final say on how our side should be set out to play. However, his Palace side are a different animal since he joined them – employing far superior wing play and attacking zest than we have seen at this club for a long time. Maybe a workman really is only as good as his tools? Although many felt we were not meeting our full potential under his stewardship, he still had us comfortably in mid table when he left. That said, it is noted that Stone and Carver were hired after Pardew’s arrival at the club. If they were his men, then there is responsibility to be taken there.
So has the board interfered too much? Mike Ashley more or less admitted as much before our survival Sunday cash against West Ham. A policy of not competing in the Cups and not pushing for the Europa League is not going to motivate your players to push themselves to be the best that they can be. When you consider another policy has been to buy them young and talented before flogging them for profit, it is hardly a surprise that they will see the club as a shop window and not much else when they have nothing to aim for in terms of glory or silverware during their stay with us. Indeed, the board must take a big share of the blame – more than Pardew, who was operating with his hands tied behind his back. Add to the fact that the board chose to tie so many staff members to 8-year contracts and you can see how Pardew will have been powerless to remove any of the coaches if he recognised that they were not up to it after all. We do not know that Pardew ever recognised this or not, but if he had – what could he have really done about it?
Finally that leaves the coaches. Is it any coincidence that following Pardew’s departure the team’s form markedly nosedived? Carver may have been performing a different role as head coach, but the same coaches remained at the club with the same staff, yet results and performances were even worse than before. The same basic mistakes being made, but more often. John Carver has resided over the defensive and attacking set up at different points in the last few years and neither has looked particular impressive during those times. How can it be that such technical players turn into headless, indecisive chickens? The answer is simple. They are having the wrong messages drilled into them on the training pitch and that has led to incohesiveness on match days. Carver taking a step up has confirmed that he and other coaches have played a huge part in the dour football that we have subjected to for such a long time.
Their sacking is far more important that our next managerial appointment. The new manager will still have strict parameters to work to at this club. He will still have to use Carr’s men, but it looks like he will have the opportunity to bring in his own ‘tools’. Our set pieces in particular have been consistently amongst the worst in the league for a long time and it is hard to see how any new coaches could possibly have our side playing that badly. If McLaren does come in, we can expect coaches with more technical know how and a different playing style from the team. We should not expect miracles, but new coaches and new policies in terms of going for Cups should in theory breathe a new lease of life into the club and invigorate our players.
Kim – it is a fresh start. Maybe the unveiling was designed that way by the club on purpose to allow more control and enable McClaren to get his message across. Had it been an open house it could have been more directed by the press.
I’m not bothered who got to write about it, I was more interested in what he had to say.
Sharpy17(Quote)
I know he will get your support Stuart, I never doubted that. He has mine as well. .
Kim and Stuart, the news of SM appointment has made it across the globe. I just don’t understand why you are concerned that a couple of shithouse rag newspapers didn’t get a look in come press time.
Sharpy @ 218 😛
Aussie Magpie Fan(Quote)
Chris – They are just reporting what is in the Mirror or what he said to Sky. That’s pointless I am afraid. Why would you read the same article in five different media outlets? The point is that different media have different questions and would have different headlines which means greater exposure.
What about ITV or BBC who have a world service which lots of football fans in the likes of Africa and Asia watch?
Stuart79(Quote)
Also please don’t underestimate the role of the excluded media here. They will have the ***** about this and that will mean the knives will be out already and that means McClarens job is twice as hard.
The fact is, as well as acting introverted it will do more harm than good acting like this and that is a ridiculous situation to be so early.
Stuart79(Quote)
who cares,about a few ***** papers. 🙄
anything to moan at.
hitman(Quote)
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/sport/football/clubs/newcastleunited/article4466699.ece
This probably sums it up perfectly.
Stuart79(Quote)
@230
exactly mate, who gives a ****..
Gashley(Quote)
Sharpy – You have hit the nail on the head, right there! They didn’t want the media to ask questions that they couldn’t control in a press conference and where they would look stupid by refusing to answer them. So in reality, the club just wanted to get their message across, but not let the media get the actual reality or truth?
What possibly could they be hiding. A bit like North Korea this I am afraid.
Stuart79(Quote)
Hitman – You can’t see the significance of this and that is fine. Just think about why the big clubs don’t restrict their exposure though…
Stuart79(Quote)
Stu@229 spot on, why make enemies when you had the perfect chance to start again 🙄
Dave@225, Agree mate.
I’m not fussed that a few press guys are miffed but it does upset me that we end up looking so petty, we need to do, or they need to do, much more to promote the Newcastle brand but all I see is his SD brand exposed. Every shot of McClaren yesterday showed huge SD signs in the background.
kimtoon(Quote)
What possibly could they be hiding. A bit like North Korea this I am afraid. 😯 😆
Who knows the reasons why they didnt let some press attend. as long as we spend enough money on decent players, I’m not fussed.
Gashley(Quote)
@Kim lol Every shot of McClaren yesterday showed huge SD signs in the background.
that was pretty obvious mind, although nowhere in the ground is a hiding place from SD
Gashley(Quote)
Stu – you can see it that way if you wish. I choose to see it that rather than bog an interview down with questions about why he didn’t leave in Jan or did the Newcastle interest stop him getting promotion with Derby – points that really don’t matter, but would probably be the points that make the back papers. Instead, knowing that there was a lot to cover – with his appointment, the objectives and re-structure of the board. They wanted to make sure those points were reported on, so the fans know the craic.
Why is that wrong?, why is that a bad thing, to want to avoid bullshit reporting in favour of facts.
Sharpy17(Quote)
didnt sir alex ban the rags from his pressers,didnt do them any harm.
plus the sky interview with mcclaren has went global.
stu if we had of brought klopp in you would of found something to moan about.
hitman(Quote)
@238 yes, I’d agree with that. nothing to see here really.. In and out, ne fuss..
Gashley(Quote)
Kim the main thing for me was that they have stated a few times that they know they need to be more open to the fans, and the 1st real chance they get and they revert back to the same old Regime that doesn’t want any question that they don’t like.
So no change there, that leaves me questioning do they really want to go for the cups or was that just waffle to please the fans.
Big Dave(Quote)
Gashley, you give me the impression you would start building a house on a foundation of Victoria sponge. When it sinks the only people who would benefit are the clean up guys who would have a nice dessert to eat…
Stuart79(Quote)
Here’s an example of why I hate the press. The FIFA organisation is imploding with evidence of corruption & racketeering – yet what was front page news on The Sun? – Cisse had an on-off girlfriend when he got married.
Sharpy17(Quote)
NUFC Regime = Nth Korean Dictatorship! 😯
Lee Charn Un and Mike Jung IL 😆 😆
Aussie Magpie Fan(Quote)
Hitman – Fergie banned some journo’s over time but only from his press pre match press conferences and he refused to do interviews with the BBC but they were never banned from interviewing players or especially new signings.
And yes you’re right, if we had appointed Klopp and refused to let all the media outlets interview I would have moaned about it.
Stuart79(Quote)
Sharpy – And you think banning the majority of the press from yesterday will make them more sympothetic to our cause? Or do you think it will **** them off and make them more aggresive towards the club so we get more silly headlines like that?
Stuart79(Quote)
🙄 who cares if a few rags got banned,it will make no difference in the way they report what goes on at the club.
have you got nowt better to moan about.
hitman(Quote)
Stu – they were banned for all the silly stories in the first place mate, I doubt it will stop them either way.
Look our lot have made some monumental **** ups in the recent past – no doubt about that. But they have said that they want to put it right – a lot of their actions suggest they are sticking to that. That’s what I want to hear about now, that’s what I want to read about. But I fear (and I’m sure the club fear) that some press want to rack over the past.
So yeah, at this transitional stage, I can understand why the club want to have control over what is written.
I don’t think they have a hidden agenda, or are trying to mask things. I just think they are trying to clear the clouds a bit.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Just seen Mc interview on NUFC TV and the one thing that he said that was good to hear was that if you want a successful football club you need good players and that is the most important thing at a football club – what happens on the pitch.
Stuart79(Quote)
Then they would have choosen the media outlets at random, not by who is paying for the access.
Stuart79(Quote)
I’m reserving my judgement until Lee gets 7 or 8 good players over the line.
Terry(Quote)
I think, you might be reserving that judgement of yours for some time Terry! 😆
Aussie Magpie Fan(Quote)
So now the BBC and the Chronicle are interviewing McClaren today… Wonder if they realised they had made a bit of a PR faux pas yesterday then…
Stuart79(Quote)
He spoke well I thought; Obviously whether it works or not will depend on who follows him through the door
It’s a matter of opinion whether SM is a step up, I personally think it is. Hes won a cup, A league title and reached a European final with unfancied clubs, Did wonders behind the scenes at Man Utd, managed England and under him Derby shot up the table, played good football & should have won the play off final.
But I think most would agree that Steve Round, Eric Steele & Steve Black would be a better standard to the staff we’ve just got rid of.
CC(Quote)
CC – You are about right there, CC. I was impressed with his talking but as he said he will need good players.
Stuart79(Quote)
I really don’t care if a few papers were not invited to the party. For years they have printed total made up ***** about us and fed the whole ‘goldfish bowl’ circus. This looks like a way to turn us into a more serious club and means the club can sue the outlets when they make up damaging, unfounded articles. At the end of the day there is not a Newcastle fan in the world that cannot see the McLaren unveiling if they want to and the club’s new vision is open to all to see and read up on so what’s the problem? Let’s start to focus on the positives and try to move forward with the club. If they don’t deliver on these promises then we have real cause to get moody. Until then I see no reason to get petty over what media lusts get invited to press conferences.
I did note the massive SD posters all over the tunnel when SM posed for a photo and like Kim I wondered if this was NUFC or SDFC? Bit annoying.
Shamrock(Quote)
Shamrock
June 11, 2015 at 12:27
This looks like a way to turn us into a more serious club and means the club can sue the outlets when they make up damaging, unfounded articles.
🙂 🙂 Quality line! Makes me wonder why the non serious clubs like Barca, Real madrid or Man Utd don’t do this… 😆
Stuart79(Quote)
I really don’t care Stu. I can see the rational for what they are doing. The important thing now is seeing the squad improve and the club proving their ambition in the Cups.
Meanwhile, Man Utd have a track record of banning certain media outlets including the BBC. Real Madrid have ways had preferred outlets such as Marca so actually these clubs do in fact take a similar approach to us to suit their own agenda.
Shamrock(Quote)
I was talking players and staff: A better coaching team would have got more out of our squad in recent years. Ignoring the shocking results, How badged up coaches can’t make some slight improvement on the farcical set piece problems, the ammount of goals scored/conceded and young players development is beyond me.
last season while not a vintage squad shouldn’t have been in danger of relegation & the side Pardew nearly got relegated a couple of years back was as good as we’ve had in a decade.
A mass change of personnel has been needed for a long time
CC(Quote)
No they don’t Shamrock. Every club has preferred outlets but that’s only for off the record briefings. The day Madrid or Man Utd invite only two organisations to a new manager press release I will accept it’s a good thing but you will never see it. They have admitted it’s been a bit of faux pas by now allowing others to interview him today. Was that becasue they have realised how stupid it looked or was it always planned?
Stuart79(Quote)
Or was it always planned Stu? I don’t see any evidence of the club admitting they made a mistake yesterday and rushed todays meetings. Who says it was already arranged?
Shamrock(Quote)
didnt nufc tv do the interview yesterday then give it to sky to broadcast.
so if true no media got an interview
hitman(Quote)
Hitman – NUFC TV was seperate interview.
I have no idea whether it was planned or not, Shamrock. But the Journo’s weren’t happy yesterday so that would suggest the club only made the decision to allow others access today.
Stuart79(Quote)
The press today could be to announce his coaching staff
Sharpy17(Quote)
According to the media, whatever their sources, or lack of them, we are in for two of Bas Dost, Charlie Austin & Patrick Bamford. With Cisse & Perez that’s a tidy front 4 to choose from.
Premandup(Quote)
Oh and Saido Berahino gets a mention as well.
Premandup(Quote)
Some journo’s seem to think Austin is almost a done deal. Still not convinced about him but that’s because I haven’t seen enough of him and I am going off just one season in the PL. Also Bamford I am not sure whether he’s ready yet but he has potential. Reckon Chelsea’s asking price might be a bit rich for us on potential and rightly so. Berahino I like the look of though but I bet he doesn’t come cheap!
Stuart79(Quote)
Prem – Austin & Berahino would be one hell of a window. It’s Austin who I want in personally. Then either Bamford on a loan with option to buy – see what he’s like PL standard, plus spread the cost coz we’ve got quite a bit to shell out on this window. If not Bamford, maybe Guidetti on a free.
Who for CB though?
Sharpy17(Quote)
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/13326846.Why_Newcastle_are_making_FIFA_look_like_beacons_for_openness_and_transparency___and_why_it_matters/
Another good, rational and reasoned article regards the press situation.
Stuart79(Quote)
Stu – it’s stupid fucking headlines like that that gets them banned & makes me switch off to them. FIFA are corrupt and mob like in their operations – pathetic article.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Didn’t Bamford have a dig about McClaren playing him out of position ❓
kimtoon(Quote)
Yes think we might have to forget Bamford, unless humble pie is eaten.
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/13310602.McClaren_s_appointment_set_to_hurt_Newcastle_s_hopes_of_a_Bamford_deal/
kimtoon(Quote)
Sharpy – It’s only a headline. Anyone who only reads a headline is stupid really. But the point is true. Isn’t that the point about a headline though? They’re supposed to be over the top so grabs attention!
Although It appears easier to find out what is going on at FIFA than NUFC. Or it certainly has been over the last few years, but if you read the actual article it’s quite well thought out and reasoned, but I don’t expect you will read it after reading the headline.
Stuart79(Quote)
To be fair it does put forward a decent argument, but completely undies itself with a way over the top co.parison to FIFA. Headlines like that do their credibility no favours and undo any argument they want to put forward before they even get going. I mean FIFA, the organisation rife wih back handers, rigged votes and wiped computer systems being made to look like innocent bystanders in Newcastle’s wake? Mental.
Shamrock(Quote)
ssn, both Newcastle and Derby in for Tom Ince
kimtoon(Quote)
http://www.themag.co.uk/2015/06/latest-injury-news-newcastle-star-pulls-out-of-international-with-hamstring-problem/
kimtoon(Quote)
Shamrock, if people aren’t clever enough to seperate headlines over the actual content of the article they’re completely and utterly dumb and shouldn’t even be discussing the subject.
Stuart79(Quote)
http://www.shieldsgazette.com/sport/football/newcastle-united/steve-mcclaren-opens-talks-with-dutch-international-bas-dost-reports-1-7304507
kimtoon(Quote)
Do not fancy, Ince. He’s bot been able to break into teams like Palace or Hull and has always levitated back towards the Championship. Bit of a risk for me. Potential I suppose but £6m? Not sure about that.
Stuart79(Quote)
http://thisisfutbol.com/2015/06/blogs/arsenal-and-liverpool-in-six-club-scramble-for-toon-prodigy
kimtoon(Quote)
Stu, Liverpool fans don’t have much good to say about Ince either, labelled him greedy.
kimtoon(Quote)
I’ve got to be honest, and many may say I’ve fallen for it hook line and sinker…. but I’m starting to feel actual, bona fide positivity.
I was happy enough, if a little underwhelmed, by SM’s appointment, but decisions that have been made since, and in conjunction with that appointment have been pretty savvy, and from a football perspective rather than a business one. I’m buoyed by the calibre of players we are reported to be after, and though final judgement will have to wait until transfer season has closed, if we pull our finger out and get Austin in early instead of dragging out negotiations over a mill or 2 then I’ll be beginning to believe we may have an enjoyable time next season. Trophy or not,
You Yew(Quote)
Joseph Barton @Joey7Barton · 21h21 hours ago
Very shrewd appointment by Newcastle. Great coach Steve. He has all the qualities needed to succeed there. How do Toon fans feel about it?
kimtoon(Quote)
Kim:
I mentioned a week or so ago just how many former players sing the mans praises as practicing coach. More and more seem to be coming out the woodwork since the appointment too. Can only be a good thing in my opinion, both as a reflection on our HC and as incentive for any players who may have been sat on the fence about coming here due to previous turbulence
You Yew(Quote)
Austin being a good example going by Barton’s previous comments
You Yew(Quote)
I don’t rate Ince.
Stu, we wanted MA to hold his hands up and admit he messed up. We wanted assurances we would change our ambitions and we wanted to see action not just words. He went on SSN personally to hold his hands up andd pledged a brighter future. He removed himself from the board. He binned Carver and Stone. He has pledged the funds to make us more competitive and has restructured the board so that more football men have more influence. Any questions that need to be asked have been addressed via SSN. We don’t need every man and his dog pitching in . Considering the circus that we have had around the club for so long, I can see exactly why the club has taken its current stance. Meanwhe, they have admitted their mistakes and pledged to do better. Now let’s stop bitching and watch them deliver. If they don’t, we vote with our feet and he can personally appear in front of the biggest sports new outlet in the Country AGAIN to explain what went wrong and say sorry. BTW I am a lot of things mate, but I’m not stupid. That headline was way over the top and if you can’t see how that makes their argument lack credibility, well you know….
Shamrock(Quote)
I did want a modern dynamic coach, even an untested Vieira at one point. But I’m starting to think, after all the last few years has brought, that perhaps a brief period of consolidation and stabilisation is what the club would benefit from in the long term. Regain some kind of dignity and reputation to then take the next step from.
Or maybe I’m talking testicles and we should’ve got Klopp!!!!!!
You Yew(Quote)
I suppose if you look at the PL clubs Ince has played for they haven’t Used a style/system suited to him. He went to Palace under Pulis whose football bypasses creative players & Hull who have played with wing backs and packed the middle of the pitch.
CC(Quote)
comparing how the toon is run to the way fifa is run,and you wonder why these hacks are banned.
hitman(Quote)
Shamrock
June 11, 2015 at 14:57
That’s interesting. You might not be stupid but you definitely can’t read as I haven’t once said you’re stupid.
Anyway, my point stands. It’s what the article says that’s important, not what the headline says, otherwise nobody would read a newspaper or read them on line. In fact nobody would read a contract just as long has at the top of the first page they were happy with the heading… So I hardly think it undermines ‘my’ argument as the article wasn’t about my argument. It was the journalists argument.
Certainly does look like you can’t read… Mensa score 500 – just can’t read! 😳
Stuart79(Quote)
You Yew are right! McClaren will probably do a decent job given the right resources. It’s just the resources I am bothered about. He’s obviously a good coach. I was underwhelmed when appointed but willing to give him a chance as I have always said.
Stuart79(Quote)
Sham – you’re right, the headline is pathetically dramatic, and totally takes away credibility of the article.
As for Ince. I’d take him way ahead of Obertan and whilst he may not be as technically gifted as Cabella, he’s not as light weight, so could actually prove to be more affective. I agree with Stu though, £6m could be steep – but we bang on about managers getting the players they want, and Ince would be that. McClaren rates him and must think he’s PL standard (if the link is true) – so it’s down to him then.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Stu: first off let me direct you to your own quote: ‘Shamrock, if people aren’t clever enough to seperate headlines over the actual content of the article they’re completely and utterly dumb and shouldn’t even be discussing the subject.’
That was a direct dig at me and you was calling me stupid.
Regarding the headline undermining your argument, I never said it did. I said the headline undermined the papers argument.
My only posts in reference to that article are at 274 and 286. At no point do I say the headline undermined your argument. I say it undermines theirs. Several times. It appears you cannot read, not me.
In reference to the headline being related to their argument, they actually tie it in at the end of their story by comparing Newcastle to Fifa again. So they undermine themselves at the beginning and the end.
Meanwhile, they do make good points in the middle, however I believe I have addressed that with my response at 286, by referencing the circus that has surrounded us for so long and MA negating the need for every man and his dog to be present to ask ‘difficult questions’ by appearing in front of national cameras and holding his hands up. Meanwhile he has allowed the local press in today for good measure. 😉
Shamrock(Quote)
Yeah I don’t rate Ince but if he comes in he gets my backing as he’s wearing our colours.
Shamrock(Quote)
Sorry, Shamrock but unless you’ve changed your name to people I haven’t called you stupid. I specifically said ‘people’ so’s not to be calling you personally stupid. If I thought it was you who’s stupid I would have said your name.
Stuart79(Quote)
Does anyone know much about this Das Boot kid we’ve been linked with?, his scoring record looks very decent – but then so did Luuk De Jongs
Sharpy17(Quote)
Sham – to be fair, Stu said similar to me @273. I didn’t take it personally, though I’m starting to wonder now 👿 😆
Sharpy17(Quote)
Stu, the only people you were engaged in conversation with regarding the headline was me and Sharpy. At that particular point, you were addressing me. You were calling me stupid, but are not man enough to admit it, it seems. No problem. I’ll just start calling you Sheila 😆
Shamrock(Quote)
I thought you would have known by now that if I thought you were stupid I would just tell you. 🙄
Stuart79(Quote)
To be fair, now YOU are acting ridiculously stupid.
Stuart79(Quote)