It took just 9 minutes for Swansea to register their first goal, the Newcastle defence split wide open by a pass from Jonjo Shelvey to the on rushing Bafetimi Gomis who rounded Tim Krul to slot home into the empty net.
Daryl Janmaat had a torrid afternoon trying to shackle Jefferson Montero and was run ragged by him leading to an early yellow card for Janmaat and the inevitable second yellow and red soon appeared on 41minutes after Janmaat decided to pull Montero back. Down to ten men, Newcastle now faced an even bigger uphill battle. Sad thing is we were starting to come into the game a little bit before the red card.
Second half saw Sissoko missing due to a suspected groin injury further disrupting our shape and Mbemba slot in at Right back covering for the red carded Janmaat. Steven Taylor filled the now vacant Centre back slot.
Swansea continued to push forward with great effect, and Gylfi Sigurosson hit the woodwork but our blushes were spared when the ball bounced back down on the line but not over it, thank god for hawkeye.
But our luck didn’t last long when on 52 mins Andre Ayew out jumped Colocini to head home Swanseas 2nd of the day. Andre Ayew also headed just wide a little later too and it really should of been 3.0.
Rolando Aarons came on and the ineffective Papiss Cisse went off, who in fairness had had zero service to him all day, not helped by the red card to Janmaat.
Aleksander Mitrovic came on for Newcastle and within minutes got himself tackled,earned a free kick, a talking to from the ref, a yellow card and a confrontation with neil Taylor . I read someone said he looks more Nitro than Mitro, well he’s certainly a handfull alright.
Anyway onwards we go, it’s only Man United next, chins up lads n lasses.
kimtoon
So Cabella has left training early to fly to OM.
Stuart79(Quote)
Its not entertaining for jabba things are coming home to roast,buying cheap moving on at big profit,thing is we have no more crown jewels to move on,if you think about it how many clubs would want to buy any of our players at a profit for jabba the odd one and that’s it,the club is full of deadwood nobody wants
icedog(Quote)
Not being funny, Icedog, Ashley has been a right skinflint but how many players have we bought in cheap and sold at a big profit in 8 years? What is coming home to roost is not investing enough generally in the squad and having to fill so many holes at once. Or, even more specific, not having ever bought a decent defense, which I know you well know.
But, whatever about the past, now I hope it gets slowly sorted out and I wish Ashley all the luck in the world in it coming together for him. A bit of good and bad press about Thauvin, quit exciting if he turns it on. We do still need that defense, though, I’ll still reckon we’ll be worshipping at the altar of Captain Courageous Colo by the end of the season. 😆
Lionel(Quote)
i thought the club might have learned their lesson by now with buying all these french flops 😐
it’s time the old fella was put out to grass and the job given to someone that can see past france & holland.
au revoir remmy – the daft – cabella
bonjour florian – the breeze -thauvian
roy c(Quote)
I am not sure how much of it is related to investment in the academy but I also think we have suffered from poor football management throughout the club as well. Which I know at the end of the day falls at Ashley’s door too. All clubs pick up players cheap and move them on at a profit, Southampton and Everton spring to mind, but they both seem to develop players, too.
Lionel(Quote)
Despite the current situation, it doesn’t take much for things to turnround into something positive.
A key player can transform a team. A Bellamy, Beardsley or Andy Cole. Not huge names when they arrived but made a huge difference.
It’s unearthing a gem, not easy, but it can happen.
Troy Stavers(Quote)
True Troy, I reckon in Gini, Mitro, Thauvin, if he comes, and our exile in Coventry there is a good bit of hope. Hopefully they will all get a chance at some point during the season to get to play with confidence seeping back into the team, then we will begin to see what they are made of.
Lionel(Quote)
Still time in this window for more players to come in. We need to or we are in trouble. But indications are, we will. It’s the most positive I’ve been about the Ashley regime since we finished 5th.
I might be back to hating the ******* cometh September!
Troy Stavers(Quote)
The reason for this malise is porr squad management and that has been down to bargain hunting rather than buying what the squad needs.
Stuart79(Quote)
Abeid in Greece for medical.
Stuart79(Quote)
So Monaco admit they knocked back a bid for their c/h in June from toon,but we better look elsewhere as the player himself does not want to move to the toon,pity he’s a top player,but at least it seems we are looking for defenders,they want to get their fingers out
icedog(Quote)
Georgio
For me, Carr is the best appointment the club has made. He’s been outstanding for us. His hands are tied also. I’m sure some if your mother gave you some pennies to spend as a child and told to get some sweets, you could only buy penny chews or black jacks whilst the kids from the posh school bought the curly wurlys and marathons.
Occasionally, the shop keeper was too interested in the posh kids and you managed to sneak a curly wurly out without him noticing. 😉
Troy Stavers(Quote)
@297 😆 😆 😆
Oz, you must talk about what Stuart wants to talk about.
Brisvegas(Quote)
If we talked about my inside leg measurement it would be more interesting than talking to you, Bris.
Stuart79(Quote)
😆
Brisvegas(Quote)
That is pretty much true, Stu, but you can still bargain hunt and get those bargains for the positions you actually need. There also does just seen to have been some straightforward bad management. At the moment, Charnley and the football board do seem to be going in the right direction.
I can’t help thinking that Ashley has spent all these years also making sure he got back his previous lost investment, when he bought it, and that now, with all the extra TV money coming in, we are going to be run like a proper football club. Better all round management, while spending the money we have on the players we can afford and need.
Lionel(Quote)
What’s true, Lionel? My comment at 314? Glad you agree…
Stuart79(Quote)
Fantasy h2h league. A very fortunate 3 match pts for Born Winner FC. Managed just 27 game points this round, the second lowest in the league. Lucky they were playing the team with lowest points in the round, Axels’s cloggs, who scraped together just 21 points.
Teams with more than 1 win:
1 hitmans army 6 (108)
2 Dubai Toon United 6 (100)
2 Natalie Sawyer Fan 6 (100)
4 Macas Pony and Trap 6 (88)
5 Born Winner FC 6 (67)
6 PremandUp 4 (92)
A few teams without a win or a draw:
16 Shteves Shcitty 0 (91)
17 Balotellitubbies 0 (87)
18 Axel’s cloggs 0 (58)
19 CC FC 0 (47)
20 Inter Yasista 0 (44)
Brisvegas(Quote)
You can bargain hunt in the positions we needed but for some reason we didn’t. We ignored the defence for years, and the attack but brought in midfielder after midfielder.
Stuart79(Quote)
Because they were cheap
Stuart79(Quote)
Glad your glad, mate, I take that as a positive step in the right direction. No idea what was sad at 314, but at least it wasn’t particularly lengthy!
Lionel(Quote)
That is just the same point again. And as I said, I am sure we could have got more cheap defenders with potential if we had tried, but we didn’t, which just seems like straightforward stupidity rather than anything else.
Lionel(Quote)
Good defenders are like strikers – Expensive!
Stuart79(Quote)
Good midfielders are expensive, too. Stones was bought for **** all. No argument to be had here, Stu. We could have shopped around and brought in more defenders for not much, one or two I am sure couldn’t have ended up being worse than Williamson, plus as you say, good ones go for good cash, as Stones is about to show. Stockpilling young cheap defenders would have probably also turned a profit. It seems, again, just down to a club run very badly on a general management level.
Lionel(Quote)
What would have been the point in buying defenders no better than Williamson?
I have accused the club of alsorts of mis-management but it isn’t due to them forgetting the defence exists. It’s down to them thinking they were getting better value buying other players in other positions. They thought they had a bargain with Mbiwa but look how that turned out.
Stuart79(Quote)
Number 8 is auspicious here in China, it will be interesting in 8 years time to look back at these two 8 year blocks and analyze what the **** went on!! 😉 👿 😀
Lionel(Quote)
Alright, Stu, I will go down from a mere dab of the right hand! 😀
Lionel(Quote)
I suppose the reason why defenders are expensive is a mistake from them normally results in a goal. A midfielder can be protected from stuff like that. I hope we have finally signed one good one anyway, but we still need to replace Colo.
Stuart79(Quote)
My only point was we have been tight-fisted mother ******* for years, but on top of that we have just suffered from incompetence and dreadful management.
Which led me to today, a decent bit of investment and let’s wait and see but maybe better overall management, too.
Lionel(Quote)
As much as I had hoped to see a turn around in Colo, everything about him depresses me at the moment, so if we were to buy a decent 26 year old CB I would be over the moon.
Lionel(Quote)
Father Time catches everyone I am afraid.
Stuart79(Quote)
Can’t I still hope for a last second half of the season hoorah from him!? 😆
Lionel(Quote)
🙄
Stuart79(Quote)
So if the deal is agreed it looks like Thauvin will only cost £5.5m in the end.
Let’s hope it does.
Should leave enough for a really good CB.
Who do people want? Abdennour looks a real beast (but Ice says he doesn’t fancy it). Matip? Do Shalke really want/need to sell? Evans? Dunk? Virgil?
There’s got to be a good one waiting at less than £12m.
georgio(Quote)
DJG – Exactly. My worry about starting Mitro is whether he will last the match, but maybe if he started a game he’d be a bit calmer, he wouldn’t be rushing on thinking “I have to do something in the next 15 minutes to get a start” – which might be working against him right now.
Failing that, simply play Perez. He can come deeper and play there more effectively, and he can also take on a man or hold onto the ball and bring others into the game a bit better.
Like you say, our “defensive” system isn’t going to work – and we can’t do it now anyway because of suspensions. Let’s try and flood the midfield and make the opponents work for once. We won’t get owt from Manure but let’s at least try and get something encouraging going.
Newkie(Quote)
Journal reckon after this there will be no more high cost signings.
Stuart79(Quote)
Has Carr never heard of the home of good central defenders- Italy?
georgio(Quote)
Are they really going to take a 4 million hit on Cabella after just one season? Didn’t he cost 12 last year?
Lionel(Quote)
Speaking of central defenders. How bad must Lascelles be if he can’t catch the bench in front of Williamson….? 🙄 😯 😳
Stuart79(Quote)
At least Manure are playing a big game tomorrow night and we play them at lunch time on Saturday. Might as well take the game to them and get it over by half-time before they have had a chance to get going, that or just rope-a-dope them: defend deep for 45 minutes to wear them out, and then set about them in the second half. Either way, 3 easy points coming our way.
Lionel(Quote)
Stuart – I’ve never seen him play. Have you?
georgio(Quote)
Maybe it is just Carr, he has a blind spot when it comes to defenders. Sort of joking but may actually be true. He can’t judge the potential of a defender.
Lionel(Quote)
Even Smalling is only just starting to get it together, Lascelles probably going to be a longer term investment.
Lionel(Quote)
Georgio – Only a couple of times on the TV. Wonder what McClaren see’s in Williamson over him though. Hopefully only experience and not talent or we’re fcked!
Stuart79(Quote)
Stuart from earlier. … sorry mate, I will only discuss the points you want to make from now on in! 😆 😆
Aussie Magpie Fan(Quote)
Too late, Aussie, I have moved on to sensible conversation now.
Stuart79(Quote)
What on earth is happening in the world of football?! Bristol City have had a £9m, yes £9m bid accepted by Brentford for Andre Gray!!!
Stuart79(Quote)
Stu,Never thought I’d see the day my local club make a bid like that.
kimtoon(Quote)
Good city, Bristol.
Lionel(Quote)
http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/florian-thauvin-newcastle-uniteds-biggest-9880599
kimtoon(Quote)
KIM I’ve just read that,its a big risk IMO,seems a bit like Benny very hit and miss doesn’t know when to pass doesn’t like to defend,a bit hot headed ect
icedog(Quote)
Thanks Kim, very interesting piece. Smart work from the Chronicle. Overall, I gotta say I am excited, and this is where a bit of belief in McC comes in. If Thauvin was already the finished article we wouldn’t be getting him. Carr has watched this guy for years and works closely with McC. This is exciting, at this point **** defenders, this is what it is all about, get this guy in and then get him to a point that in a few years everybody has forgotten the name of that lad who plays for Swansea, who we nearly signed and who scored against us. What was his name?
Come on, Thauvin lad, welcome home!!!
Lionel(Quote)
None as strange as folk, Icedog. 😀
Lionel(Quote)
Icedog@351, I can see him and Mitro ***** slapping each other after a couple of weeks 🙂
Munich Mag(Quote)
Even more reason to get Carroll back, then.
Lionel(Quote)
I take it people’s concerns about Thauvin are due to the French press not rating him that highly last season?!.
I personally don’t see him as such a big risk as he is replacing Cabella, who in my opinion fell on his ****. His fee is £12m – which in the grand seem of things, isn’t a huge fee. If he can come in and provide some balance and create afew chances from the left then he’s a good buy IMO.
Sharpy17(Quote)
MM the club need a slap if they think we can get away with defence the way it is all season
icedog(Quote)
SHARPY does that mean we have to put up with oba on the right then?? god forbid
icedog(Quote)
Sharpy17, don’t you see the fact that 1 – the French press don’t rate him, and 2 – that we may be wasting our time on a poor french import AGAIN, and 3 – that 12 million pound isn’t to be sniffed at, all as a massive risk ?
Ashley was reluctant to hand Pardew the big bucks, now him and Charnley are hoying money at McClaren… Talk about incompetence 🙄
I hope they spend the money wisely, because we’ve had some really bad moves over the last years – Gouffron, Marveaux, both De Jongs, Anita, Mbiwa, Obertan, Riviere, Facunda. If Ashley had a clue about football he may be asking wtf are you all up to spending our money on pish.
Munich Mag(Quote)
Does this mean we put Aarons down the list,the kid looks a good prospect
imo
icedog(Quote)
Icedog @357, we’ve got 6 centre backs at the club, but a couple of them are injured and the rest aren’t ready or aren’t good enough. Doesn’t look like we’re in a hurry getting rid of them. Still the club love tying up poor players on long contracts… great strategy that one mate…
Still we’ve known that for years mate, better men than thee and me seem to be ignoring the facts. Strange really…
Munich Mag(Quote)
Munich – the same French press billed him as ‘the new Ribery’ mate. It’s no different to the way the English press build young players up, only to then write them off. I don’t imagine he is as good as Ribery, but equally I don’t imagine he’s dog **** either.
Ice – I’d imagine it will be Sissoko on the right mate. I’d like to see us get rid of Obertan and get a decent replacement in for him too. But to be honest, if it was a choice between Obertan & Cabella – I’d say Obertan offers more at the moment. I’d probably even but Gouffran on that right side ahead Cabella actually – I don’t think Cabella has done close to enough since he has came in.
Sharpy17(Quote)
STUART79 339
its worse than ya think,hes not a prem defender by a long shot i was shocked we bought him and darlow after watching a lot of forest games last year to have a look at them
TOONARMYELITE(Quote)
theres ganna be alot of angry peeps in here after peeps have a good look at them
TOONARMYELITE(Quote)
So the club have in reality given McClaren at least 3 rough diamonds. Big risk in my opinion. They’ll all need time to get use to the PL as well as hoping McClaren can improve them so much. A lot of faith in a coach who hasn’t proved himself in the PL for 10 years!
Stuart79(Quote)
http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/newcastle-united-need-boost-backline-9879032? defo
TOONARMYELITE(Quote)
Sharples, the French press “the new Ribery” claim you are quoting is 3 years old mate.
The current French press, including the Brit francophiles, are all claiming that this is a real bad deal for the toon.
Still, we can talk about things in a few months mate after we’ve seen how he develops – the proof is in the pudding.
Munich Mag(Quote)
Stu@365, almost 30 millions worth of rough diamonds too mate…
There again, a bit like HBA, Marveaux, Riviere, Facunda … there are a few of them there too mate.
At the same time we seem to be strategically ignoring the REAL diamonds we have in the squad, Perez, Armstrong and Aarons.
It’s a funny old game isn’t it ?
Munich Mag(Quote)
Ice – I think there are probably big question marks over Aarons fitness me. He’s on the bench, so he’s clearly in their plans. I think he’ll probably be developed over the next season or two.
Sharpy17(Quote)
I did read a while back that thauvin can play anywhere in a front 3 . Will be interesting too see where McClaren Will play him . Got a feeling it Will be along Side Mitro and we will go 442 Aarons and Perez/Oba the wide men and Cisse Will become a super sub .Middle of the park Wijnaldum and Sissoko with Colback as first backup the reason i think this , is our **** defence , a 4 man midfield will give more protection than 433 . I know that 442 is a bit out dated but with the speed our midfield would have it might just work
Axel(Quote)
Munich – not many of the Frenchies have hit the ground running, so I suspect that when we chat again in a few months he may not be ripping up trees – but here’s hoping.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Sharpy@371, you have too many millions mate, you seem to be pretty blase at the way the toon are throwing tens of millions at average Frenchmen who struggle to hit the ground running…even 3 years later :-).
Munich Mag(Quote)
Munich – we don’t spend and the club get slaughtered for not showing any ambition – they then spend and get accused of wasting money on ‘average’ Frenchman. £12m looks a lot but in reality the fee for Cabella is £8m – so the net cost of Thauvin would be £4m.
They clearly don’t see Cabella offering anything this season which is why they have agreed to loan him out. It’s potentially strengthening the squad – which is what we have all been crying out for them to do.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Well I hope ime wrong but this guy is less than 70 kilo and can see PL m/fielders brushing him off,I would just like a bit more for12/14 mil I know some lightweight players in PL that do well but we need players to hit the growing running not someone that will take a year to bed in as Cabs found out
icedog(Quote)
Sharples,you say it yourself, we tried hard to get Cabella only to find out he didn’t fit. We are paying Marveaux millions, we bought 2 x De Jongs, HBA and Riviere.
Don’t you see the pattern mate.
Weren’t Mbiwa, Cabella, Riviere also “potentially strengthening the squad” ? 25 mill absolutely wasted…
Just because we apparently slag the club of for not spending money, so you are happy for them to go out and waste 20 million on bad players ?
Madness.
Munich Mag(Quote)